Topic: STOP! TO ALL FELLOW NEWBIES AND JR. MEMBERS (Read 1036 times)

me too i agree that we should strive hard to earn our merits. through studying and learning more about bitcoin and cryptocurrencies. also to keep on posting relevant topics.

There is something wrong with you, it's your first post in the forum and it's about merits? and you find it "hard" to earn them? You started ranting before you even try getting affected by all the users complaining about merits. Assuming this account is not an alt but a newbie who joined this forum.

Anyway, I will answer your question. Don't ever ask for merits.. Even if your post is meritorious most members won't merit it when they see you asking/begging for merits.

If they want merits they should work hard on this forum to earn it, and not begging for it which is not allowed. This forum is not abount ranking up or whatsoever, this forum is made to share crpyto ideas and projects that will contribute to the world.

Well, at first, I planned to get merit by begging but it never works out for others so I stop my plan. I'm just waiting for Mr. thymos if he could alter some point factor in the rules of merit.

I would just add, that this forum is for sharing valuable information and helping each other, and not begging for merits from the other members.
I did not really know what those merits are and why they matter, and since they don't impact on my ability to share and receiving information from other members, I won't be bothered about the ongoing discussions about merits. To me, it does not matter whether I am a junior member or a legendary one, what matters is searching and finding the information I am looking for and helping others within the scope of my knowledge and experience 
Let's  just enjoy this community the way it should be 

Well said dear sir. I’d give you merits if I had SMerits. No wonder you got that much merit with a little time, your posts are all probably on point. Good luck to you sir!

That new merit system is too annoying, isn't it? I really don't see how that's possible to earn enough of merit to become a full member...

We can ask to give us some credit if people like what we've done right? or we just do our best, sit and wait for the best? i find it hard to get merit but i do my very best.

He has all the right in the world to feel annoyed by the everlasting waves of new users asking & begging for merits everywhere. And whether you like it or not if he made this post to earn merits by himself there is nothing wrong with that as what he is writing is a fact.

Furthermore 'Merit' since it's implementation has been the hottest topic in the forum. Out of the 35 posts I can see in my first page of the 'Meta' subforum 17 include or make reference to 'Merit'.

That is a 48.57% of the most recent Meta discussion in the forum, my suggestion for every single one who wants merit is to go ahead and check what other users are looking for in terms of 'Meritable' quality and also what are people expectations with the system.

Last but not least, new (and not so new) users need to understand that a rank with mere activity means actually NOTHING and spamming is COUNTERPRODUCING for what they want to achieve, you need to be a contributor or at least a funny with keen for detail user who can throw some decent jokes and make others laugh.

In a few words just provide something useful to the forum if you want merit.

I agree, we all should earn hard for merits.

Otherwise stop asking for merit, also stop buying and selling merit.
I sometimes see an indication of the fraud in giving merit. Merit only circulates in certain groups. this is not slander, it is reality. Can you check it!

Is there a way where we can tag in admins within the thread? So they automatically see the posts?

Yeah, totally agree with you sir. Just call the admin if you find someone begging for merits

I agee. If that’s the case, we’ll go back to my main point then, just work hard and earn merits, rather than doing the easy way, it will benefit you anyway. Experience is the best teacher, you won’t get experience by buying or asking for merits.

If somebody wants something, and somebody else can provide that thing, then that thing can be sold.  That is the way the world works.  Always has, always will.

However, if you are caught buying or selling merit, the site administrator will ban your account.

I’m not aware that merits can be sold. Wow, in our world today everything is about money.

I agree with you. The system of merits was not invented to be sold and bought to be asked for, but that people could somehow thank each other and motivate users to create interesting posts.

See, a very basic principle indeed, not just here in our forum, but in life. Very basic. Thank you for that good sir.

I think a lot of people these days expect and want fast track. Some of the best things in life start slow and gradually build 

Basic thing, first fix your grammar. Second, you don’t care? Why post in my thread tho?   Third, if you think that way, do you think beggers will stop after I post a thread about how to earn merits? You’re funnier hahaha last time I checked was people are keep on posting on how to earn merits. But no one posted a thread on stopping them. And have you read the comments of the experienced members here? Ready the whole thread before you post son. And again, fix your grammar before you post. It’s part of the forum guidelines. Can’t understand you sometimes.

You'r so funny dude. You wrote a THREAD to cry about beggers, instead of write to them, for example, how do you earn your merites, step by step. You realy think that your crying will stop beggers? )) It don't, belive me. Beggers are divided into two groups, 1-st who don't want to do anything to earn merites, 2-nd who don't know what should they do. You can't get rid of all of them, but you can get rid of 2-nd group by teach them how to do it. And what are you doing instead of that? You should think about it. I'm writing where i want and what i want, following forum rules, and your opinion, I don't care, seriously, beggers same don't care, they will continue to beg.  ))) You did not distinguish yourself from them by creating this senseless thread. I dont have merites, because i dont need them yet, when i will need it, i will find a way how to do it. Senseless discussion, you wouldn't understand nothing. Farewell, Old Man. ))) I'm outta here, your wish come true.

What made you so special? Do you feel smart and cool after criticizing my post? Write what’s best for the community. Statements that can shift gears. No wonder you got zero merits, you’ve been busy and wasting time criticizing posts rather than posting quality ones. Get outta here kid.

Who write like me? I’m making a statement of which I always observe as a newbie. CauseI do not beg for one. If you’re here to sound smart, pick your door way out son. You’ve been a juinior member with 70 activities and still I got more merits than you? No wonder. Peace out.

Will cleaning of your shoes show you respect? )) Better make good thread for newbies about "what should you do to earn merits". Step by step with examples. Beggars have always been and will be, and when for beginners this is the only way out, it's not a surprise that it happens.
P.S.: I'm not a beggar. ))

if there was a hero who said that, you would understand that you might get three or five merits in order to attract attention, the people there do not eat it, my friend. Join your signature campaigns when you waste time doing this. Nobody eats these cheap numbers. everyone is very picky about merit. they never give it to those who write like you. I draw your attention to your recommendation, but you get minus points.

You're so lucky I'm not a mod. You'd be shot into outer space.

It's this kind of shit that makes the front page of most of these boards a horrific experience to trawl through.

completely agree with the opinion of the author.

I don't know merit for what,one thing I'm sure.im here to learn and earn about cryptocurrency..that's it..

You can search it in the search bar while you’re on the trading forum. Read a lot of basic trading principles as well. Just scan through the forum of trading.

Merits are for those deserving members of the forum only, but some members sell thier merits just to earn bitcoin which is not allowed, they should start making a move on this action by some members.

Do you where can I learn about day trade ? Is there a book ?

You’re talking about spoon feeding there bud. If others really want to help you be successful here, they won’t give you merits because you beg for them. They will give you merits until you learn how to earn one.

A perfect ideology for this will be “Give a man a fish, and you’ll feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you’ll feed him for life”. Now if High rankers will give merits to you cause you just beg and beg for merits, well, you won’t learn the best way to earn merit. And you will never learn the basic and perfect princible of posting with quality.

I agree with the op, low ranked people (yes, I am low ranked though) on bitcointalk usally beg for merit and complain that they never get merit...you will not get merit if you beg for it.

I think asking is not a wrong thing. Newbies wants to know about these field. Everyone want to go up when they are in now. So in highest rank people give their hand for others because we have a responsible for help others.

This is just a matter of studying and understanding our community, you want merits? Post high quality posts that can make a statement for making a change for the better of the community. Simple as that. Posting is free anyway, but speaking with your heart out for out community earns respect.

The merit system is like a lottery. Some times you win, some times you lose, and the lottery ticket is a posted message that is well thought out, well timed, well intentioned, and/or well researched. There's a bit of luck that makes a play too. Compare this one thread to all the threads complaining about merit and you'll find a theme to it all.

And there you go. You talk about Merit and you get merit. Otherwise no one gets merit unless the topic is brought up.
How do you explain this?

There's been a series of (borderline) merit begging posts on this board today, check them out:

merit system - OP wants to create a thread for "low rank people like me to earn merit"

I need merit - OP is basically asking for merit

There's also a thread from someone asking what the price of Bitcoin is. Beginners & Help is always good for a laugh when there are now real questions to help answer.

The newcomers are restless.

Agree on this one. And nothing’s more satisfying and being proud of when advancing to the next rank when you earn a lot of merits. It’s like blood sweat and tears for each rank. Not just posting a lot of activities but posting quality ones. It’s not surprising that someday, a lot of newbies from today will be a lot more experienced than other members who were here before because of how hard merits can be earned.

It's kinda dishonest way of earning merits if you beg for it. The rules implied here by the admin is a way of challenge for us to make a better and a much constructive post. If you feel like you got a very good and constructive post but no one has given you a merit for that, then that's fine. Just don't stop because someday, your endeavor will pay off.

To get merit you must improve your writing style.
 Read the post before you reply to the topic.

Finally! A newbie that agrees and sees the opportunity that they’re missing. That you for understanding the pros of having something to work for rather than begging for reward you didn’t earn. Good luck to us good sir. You have a good one.

I agree with this completely. I believe earning things rather than begging for it. Respect earned is more prestigious compared to respect begged for. Try to earn everything you have rather than get it the oppsite way

Since the merit has been implemented here in the forum is easier to detect which people are here with the only goal to earn some money, instead to give good contents to the forum. Nevertheless, I understand it can be somehow difficult to achieve a good position in order to get some paid activities.
I believe those begging for some merits are just newbies who don't understand how the forum works. They just want to get a bounty campaign with no effort at all.
It is sad to see how the forum has become, rather than a place where information is free for all, a place where a bunch of people wants to earn money at no cost, instead of people trying to give their best in order to get merits, rank up, and become important collaborators.
The merit system, at the first, didn't convince me at all, it remembers me the "likes" on the social media. Now, I fully understand why are they necessary, for, as you say, what the forum needs is meaningful and significant contributions.
Everyday we see desperate attempts, such the one we are answering right now, to get some merits. Maybe it is time to open a "merit contest" or something like that, in where the best publication wins some merits, and where everybody here can participate. Who knows, maybe it is useful for people to make their best for once, and a real opportunity to get some merits.

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Wow, another post for earning activities that’s not really necessary to post. Get outta here young fella. Learn to post fruitful comments and post rather than this garbage. This is a forum for btc not forum for bs.

I respect your opinion and your judgement, But nice try, if you’ve been here long enough or probably studying about btc. You know what I’m talking about. And fyi, how can you make a statement if you don’t have a title worth clicking on. Hey bud, you should read more, study more about our community, maybe you’ll hit your head someday knowing what it feels like seeing people begging for money and respect rather than earning them. Welcome to the world of cryptocurrency bud, nothing’s for free here, work your way on top, don’t beg for it, that’s just disgusting. You got a long way ahead kid.

The answer is very interesting, I really like your thoughts. I do not know what he is referring to? maybe on this my post.

If that was aimed at me - the whitespace is generated by the forum software. I don'r even have a newline after the full stop.

Please, just stop stopping us. We dont want to be manipulated and beibg stopped.

All that I have is all that you've given me
Did you ever worry that I'd come to depend on you
I gave you all the love I had in me
Now I find you've lied and I can't believe it's true
Wrapped in her arms I see you across the street
And I can't help but wonder if she knows what's going on
You talk of love but you don't know how it feels
When you realise that you're not the only one
Oh you'd better stop before you tear me all apart
You'd better stop before you go and break my heart
Ooh you'd better stop

Sam Brown - Stop

No I don't think it is an honest post. I will go with your first submission that it is a clever strategy to get merit for himself going by the click bait title. Being a newbie I was tempted to click only it see its all BS

No harm? Go ahead and read the thread again. Look how the high rankers and experienced members here give statements about what it can actually do to our community. For your education as well bud

Welp, asking for 'karma points' is a cancer of any community with those systems. Just ignore them, they are either too young too understand that it is not how it works, or they do it on purpose, so they won't even care of you crying.

Never had this kind of praise and defense from my posts before. I’m truly honored from someone who is already experienced and high ranking. Nothing more but honor for such a simple post yet respected by the “veterans” here. This kind of praise or thankfulness gives me more energy to post and comment a lot more fruitful words for others to appreciate and learn from. Thank you for your recognition good sir. Hope to be like you someday.

This might have been lost in translation to some degree. It's a colloquial saying where I'm from, "humor me", meaning something resembling "Help me to understand" or "Play along". I didn't mean to come off pedantic or flippant.


It seems there will be reciprocity in our concessions here, because you're right in this instance. I was praising Danny without a word towards OP and this should not have been the case. It was the newbie's idea, and I should have worded my opening statement differently. This is a fair criticism of my post.

We're not here to entertain you, Bill. I suspect this attitude or expectation is part of the problem.

Yeah, I'm saying that Danny added nothing to this thread/discussion, and you started your first post praising Danny's comment (which repeated the original post) rather than praising Woterry for his original sentiment.


I will concede that you do add a new perspective and encouragement to new forum members, as you remind me in the quote above, good on you for it! I was mostly calling you out for your praise of Danny's repeat comments - and I didn't explain that context at all previously.

The greatest hypocrisy on this thread is a Legendary member of this forum repeating posts. Did Danny not read the thread? I mean, he quotes himself so I guess he didn't read the thread at all. Why are you supporting this tone deaf and narcissistic behaviour?


Calling out senior members of this forum as they fully or partially commit acts of low quality posting AND praising the OP for joining the fight against some of the worst behaviour here is an absolute contribution.

It's unfortunate that you refuse to see where Danny went wrong, where you went wrong for supporting him.

We've both expanded upon a point made earlier in the thread. That's the point of a discussion; to ebb and flow a conversation about an idea to see whether or not it has any credibility. The small portion of my post that was a "repeat of OP" was to lay out a premise and was only to show the direction for the rest of my post.

I explained an entirely new framework that someone could opt to view merit through and approach their newbie status from a different perspective. I attempted to explain that their status is more of an opportunity than it is an obstacle. I'm confused as to whether this went over your head or if you fail to see this as differing from OP. Either way, I'd have to say you're wrong about this.

Entertain me and clarify; are you saying Danny and I have added nothing to this thread/discussion?
It would appear your post is without any value, unless you are attempting to call us hypocrites and claim our posts are without significance. I fail to see what you've just contributed, by your own criteria.

It would be great if Danny and Bill didn't commit a classic faux pas in newbie posting - repeating a point made earlier in the thread. You guys are both just repeating the OP.

Instead of acting like you're teaching something, you should be praising the OP for his call out of those that ask/beg for merit OR shutting the f*ck up and moving on to a thread that you can contribute something new to.

The etiquette of post quality applies to each of us, remember that.

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Woterry, THANK YOU for joining us in calling out those that ask or beg for merit. Your comparison to "respect" is spot on. If you have to ask for merit you know your post isn't good enough to earn any. Keep the intent true and the reward will come.

Keep it up, Woterry, we're glad you're here!

Danny put it excellently and if I could put it in context or give a reference I would love to attempt to make this even more clear and salient. Activity acts as a participation trophy for taking place in forum discussions while maintaining a bare minimum requirement not to spam and some other criteria. Merit acts as a trophy for a contribution deemed worthy by another member who has also contributed to the forum and now is able to pay it forward.

Asking or begging for merit would be like a fighter asking or begging for the title and belt without making their mark. This is like an actor looking for a nomination without playing a significant role.

This is a much broader mindset and it can be applied when looking at any endeavor, but you must be willing to be the fool. Be honest with your limited starting knowledge  and do not be afraid to be the fool. Everybody starts somewhere and as long as you are operating on the same base principals and core foundation as the rest of us have agreed to then you are free to progress past being the fool with your own determination. Do not expect to earn merits, ever, rather hope to assist, contribute and inform others in a way that is meaningful and significant. Challenge yourself to learn more and be more, merits will soon become representative of what you have brought forward to the community. In my case, I believe I have been over-merited for my contribution so you might even find yourself lucky in that regard.

It’s really hard to make a statement if your rank is just low. Being judged quite easily. Thank you for giving emphasis on that one good sir. You have a good one.

I agree good sir. I don’t get why people are begging for one. I mean there would be a lot more excitement to rank up if you earn each rank with blood, sweat, and probably tears. Hope to be like you someday.

I apologize for that. I am not shouting at people, I’m just giving emotion on my post to make a statement. Likewise, thank you for your advise dear sir.

Do NOT ask for Merit.  Do NOT beg for Merit.

Merit is intended to be earned.  Attempting to acquire Merit without earning it is dishonest and an indication of an untrustworthy person.

As listed in my personal Merit Policy:

Those that beg for merit are social outcasts, they are to be shunned and ignored. They have no place in this forum, and they are not welcome here.

Do you think that people who are cadger after your message stop ask merit?

Please stop using space after each sentence

i see no harm in people asking for Merits it is give and take . I am happy to give merit to deserving ones and am not averse to receive one

Please stop using capital letters in titles and posts. We don't like people shouting at us.

Given that the author of this thread only has 2 merit himself, this could be a clever strategy to get some cheap merit from other users that are annoyed by newbies asking for merit  . I am however sure that this is an honest post that was caused by the authors disgust for spammers  .

STOP!! PLEASE STOP!!

STOP BEGGING FOR MERITS.

I’ve seen a lot of posts here from low rankers who were asking for merits. Such a shame guys!

Merits are like “RESPECTS”. Show people respect, show community some respect and most importantly, show admins and the rules here in bitcointalk some RESPECT.

If you can’t give them some of that, you won’t earn some bud.

Get merits or rather EARN merits like everyone else.

It’s just a matter of giving respect to the community.