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February 25, 2016, 08:09:02 AM
#56
If a seller wants to get rid of Giftcards let them be,they have buyers to purchase who really don't care how it comes from.
1. The problem isn't that people want to buy carded gift cards. The problem is that people are buying these gift cards believing they are legit, using them and are then running into problems when these cards are found to be illegitimate. The people selling this lose nothing from this, however the people buying them not fully understanding what they are getting into have the possibility of having their account on the service which the gift card corresponds to closed.

Why a third party has to interfere without being asked to ?
2. People are greedy and ignorant. Unless people specifically say that there will be repercussions to using stolen gift cards, people will buy them simply because they see '70% DISCOUNT'.

The point was, add people with Brains to the Network .
3. "I don't understand the problem with selling illegal goods, so I'm going to insult everyone that does". If you dislike the people in the default trust network then remove them from your trust list.

1. Any evidence that they arent legit, i agree that in some cases where people are offering 70% discounts the cards are probably carded but in the case of anonymous22, people can easily sell giftcards at those discounts

2. Agreed

3. But do you throw around these accusations without proof? (like the hatesquad)




1. Selling a gc with 50% off or more is not legit. You wouldnt sell me your brand new smartphone at a rate like thia just because you dont want to use it.

Selling a netflix acc for 2$ account is not legit if the price for it is officially much higher.

2. When it comes to my feedbacks i leave a reference so people can look up why i left a feedback and decide if its usefull or not. I am trying to get rock solid proofs, when i get them i report thise threads.

We are not talking about people selling like 3 gcs they got on christmas and they dont want it. We are talking about people bulk selling cards for rates that are off the limits. Have a look on legit sites that sell those cards you wont find rates like this there. For a reason.

1. If you have no use for the giftcard and want to get it off your hnds quickly then 50% is better than nothing
2. I doubt you are trying to get any rock solid proof, how about you change the rating to neutral untill you get the proof that you need, you should only leave negative feedback and the fact that you are asking for evidence makes it obvious that you you arent sure.

I just dont understand how you guys do stuff like this, you spoil the guy's reputation and none of you are sure, even OP clearly has doubts about his feedback, you guys should change the feedback to neutral until you have evidence.

People are innocent until proven guilty
How do you expect the shoot first ask questions later approach to work if the person you shot is dead
legendary
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February 25, 2016, 08:00:19 AM
#55
If a seller wants to get rid of Giftcards let them be,they have buyers to purchase who really don't care how it comes from.
1. The problem isn't that people want to buy carded gift cards. The problem is that people are buying these gift cards believing they are legit, using them and are then running into problems when these cards are found to be illegitimate. The people selling this lose nothing from this, however the people buying them not fully understanding what they are getting into have the possibility of having their account on the service which the gift card corresponds to closed.

Why a third party has to interfere without being asked to ?
2. People are greedy and ignorant. Unless people specifically say that there will be repercussions to using stolen gift cards, people will buy them simply because they see '70% DISCOUNT'.

The point was, add people with Brains to the Network .
3. "I don't understand the problem with selling illegal goods, so I'm going to insult everyone that does". If you dislike the people in the default trust network then remove them from your trust list.

1. Any evidence that they arent legit, i agree that in some cases where people are offering 70% discounts the cards are probably carded but in the case of anonymous22, people can easily sell giftcards at those discounts

2. Agreed

3. But do you throw around these accusations without proof? (like the hatesquad)




Selling a gc with 50% off or more is not legit. You wouldnt sell me your brand new smartphone at a rate like thia just because you dont want to use it.

Selling a netflix acc for 2$ account is not legit if the price for it is officially much higher.

When it comes to my feedbacks i leave a reference so people can look up why i left a feedback and decide if its usefull or not. I am trying to get rock solid proofs, when i get them i report those threads.

We are not talking about people selling like 3 gcs they got on christmas and they dont want it. We are talking about people bulk selling cards for rates that are off the limits. Have a look on legit sites that sell those cards you wont find rates like this there. For a reason.

Saying you must have contributed to bitcoin or the network to be able to leave usefull ratings is like saying you need to contribute to the development of the worldwideweb in order to use it.

If everything is so cheesy, why do we have a scam accusation section. All made up?
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February 25, 2016, 07:25:42 AM
#54
If a seller wants to get rid of Giftcards let them be,they have buyers to purchase who really don't care how it comes from.
1. The problem isn't that people want to buy carded gift cards. The problem is that people are buying these gift cards believing they are legit, using them and are then running into problems when these cards are found to be illegitimate. The people selling this lose nothing from this, however the people buying them not fully understanding what they are getting into have the possibility of having their account on the service which the gift card corresponds to closed.

Why a third party has to interfere without being asked to ?
2. People are greedy and ignorant. Unless people specifically say that there will be repercussions to using stolen gift cards, people will buy them simply because they see '70% DISCOUNT'.

The point was, add people with Brains to the Network .
3. "I don't understand the problem with selling illegal goods, so I'm going to insult everyone that does". If you dislike the people in the default trust network then remove them from your trust list.

1. Any evidence that they arent legit, i agree that in some cases where people are offering 70% discounts the cards are probably carded but in the case of anonymous22, people can easily sell giftcards at those discounts

2. Agreed

3. But do you throw around these accusations without proof? (like the hatesquad)


legendary
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February 25, 2016, 06:30:50 AM
#53
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"I don't understand the problem with selling illegal goods, so I'm going to insult everyone that does". If you dislike the people in the default trust network then remove them from your trust list.
You don't have to waste much of your time on this person, and actually you shouldn't. This is a new account used to complain about DT and now about people wanting to stop trades of illegal goods. It is quite probable that he's among the sellers whose threads got removed/got banned.

Anything that restricts the sale of stolen, counterfeit or goods obtained by fraud or deception is good.
Besides, trading of illegal goods is forbidden also by the rules of this forum.

This sounds like something that tspacepilot would do lol. Are you tspacepilot?
Please no.
legendary
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February 25, 2016, 05:47:48 AM
#52
If a seller wants to get rid of Giftcards let them be,they have buyers to purchase who really don't care how it comes from.
The problem isn't that people want to buy carded gift cards. The problem is that people are buying these gift cards believing they are legit, using them and are then running into problems when these cards are found to be illegitimate. The people selling this lose nothing from this, however the people buying them not fully understanding what they are getting into have the possibility of having their account on the service which the gift card corresponds to closed.

Why a third party has to interfere without being asked to ?
People are greedy and ignorant. Unless people specifically say that there will be repercussions to using stolen gift cards, people will buy them simply because they see '70% DISCOUNT'.

The point was, add people with Brains to the Network .
"I don't understand the problem with selling illegal goods, so I'm going to insult everyone that does". If you dislike the people in the default trust network then remove them from your trust list.
legendary
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February 25, 2016, 05:37:09 AM
#51
Anything that restricts the sale of stolen, counterfeit or goods obtained by fraud or deception is good.
newbie
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February 25, 2016, 05:28:14 AM
#50
Again,add only Bitcoin experts to the Trust Networks.
Knowledge does not necessarily have to do anything with trust. I don't see the system properly functioning in that way, nor do I see 'Bitcoin experts' wasting their time with trust ratings.
Because we have passed the authority to noobs who don't understand what are they doing and why they're doing it.If a seller wants to get rid of Giftcards let them be,they have buyers to purchase who really don't care how it comes from.Why a third party has to interfere without being asked to ?

I know Bitcoin experts won't be interested in such a ambiguous system.The point was, add people with Brains to the Network .
legendary
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Terminated.
February 25, 2016, 05:21:56 AM
#49
Again,add only Bitcoin experts to the Trust Networks.
Knowledge does not necessarily have to do anything with trust. I don't see the system properly functioning in that way, nor do I see 'Bitcoin experts' wasting their time with trust ratings.
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February 25, 2016, 05:18:03 AM
#48
So this is where it all started.Genius Plan.DT member forms a group publicly and attack innocent victims.You know what is common in all such jobless posters ? Their knowledge about bitcoins.

Again,add only Bitcoin experts to the Trust Networks.
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February 24, 2016, 09:56:07 PM
#47

Why dont you guys do your research?
There are apps that pay you in giftcards for downloading other apps
Do some research before next question

I think you should do yours. With the amount they're selling you would need an army to earn that much from apps. Stop being naive.
Stop being an idiot, anyone with a relatively small amount of investment can buy about 50 vps in bulk, install an android emulator and run their method in mass
Not everyone is narrow minded and wont go the extra mile to make a decent amount of money

When you are from certain countries, you have to go the extra mile when making money online, you wouldn't know

Dude, listen to yourself. Even with 50 emulators it would be impossible. You practically earn cents from each downloaded app, also keep in mind that you have to run multiple emulators on one machine and then you got to run hundreds of those, almost botnet like. Seemingly impossible. Those cards are for high amounts. No downloaded app gives you $100 voucher. Accept the fact that those cards are obtained illegitimately. As your handle states, "Your Point Is Invalid" .
You are adapting the american attitude of - If it seems unfeasible, it probably is
Why do you have to runn all the emulators on one machine? do you understand my post? let me make it clearer



Buy 50 vps, install emulators on each vps, run the program, if you keep at this for hours a day then getting these cards would be easy
You are right, no downloaded app gives you $100 voucher, it all comes down to hard work and dedication

What evidence do you have?

So it should be possible to proof all is legit to a trusted user. I dont see it happen
May you suggest a trusted member, up to a few months ago quickseller was a good trusted member, so was that other escrow and then there was escrow.ms who was trusted up to a few days ago

If i had a method, i wouldnt release it, not because some people are forcing me to because of their trust ratings and their position on DT, the coordinated trust ratings by you and your set of friends is nothing short of disgusting



Also, why did you avoid the question?
I will ask again,

What evidence do you have?
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February 24, 2016, 09:45:08 PM
#46
Stop being an idiot, anyone with a relatively small amount of investment can buy about 50 vps in bulk, install an android emulator and run their method in mass
This sounds like something that tspacepilot would do lol. Are you tspacepilot?
legendary
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February 24, 2016, 09:43:09 PM
#45

Why dont you guys do your research?
There are apps that pay you in giftcards for downloading other apps
Do some research before next question

I think you should do yours. With the amount they're selling you would need an army to earn that much from apps. Stop being naive.
Stop being an idiot, anyone with a relatively small amount of investment can buy about 50 vps in bulk, install an android emulator and run their method in mass
Not everyone is narrow minded and wont go the extra mile to make a decent amount of money

When you are from certain countries, you have to go the extra mile when making money online, you wouldn't know

Dude, listen to yourself. Even with 50 emulators it would be impossible. You practically earn cents from each downloaded app, also keep in mind that you have to run multiple emulators on one machine and then you got to run hundreds of those, almost botnet like. Seemingly impossible. Those cards are for high amounts. No downloaded app gives you $100 voucher. Accept the fact that those cards are obtained illegitimately. As your handle states, "Your Point Is Invalid" .
You are adapting the american attitude of - If it seems unfeasible, it probably is
Why do you have to runn all the emulators on one machine? do you understand my post? let me make it clearer



Buy 50 vps, install emulators on each vps, run the program, if you keep at this for hours a day then getting these cards would be easy
You are right, no downloaded app gives you $100 voucher, it all comes down to hard work and dedication

What evidence do you have?

So it should be possible to proof all is legit to a trusted user. I dont see it happen
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February 24, 2016, 09:42:33 PM
#44
I generally agree with you Quickseller. Of course this is not exact science, but the "benefit of the doubt" has exonerated too many untrustworthy users here.

*There are a number of examples of when I may have a gift card that I am willing to sell a gift card for less then face value that does not involve any kind of fraud/money laundering:
  • I received a $50 Amazon Gift card from my Aunt/Uncle/ect. for Christmas/my Birthday/ect.
  • I just purchased $x thousand dollars worth of appliances/supplies from Home Depot for a new patio and was given a $500 Home Depot gift card to entice me to come back for my next project
  • As an incentive for me renewing my contract with AT&T, I was given a $100 gift card to Target
  • I participated in a promotion at Walmart in which I receive a $25 Gift card after spending $x dollars in one trip
  • ect.
None of these examples covers having a seemingly unlimited supply of several kind of cards. As I said on OP that's a big red flag. anonymous22 is selling 14 kinds of cards and offers to get a lot of others too. It's very hard to believe they are obtained by legal means.

I've applied my best judgement here and of course I could be wrong. Fortunately removing a feedback is even easier than adding it. I've asked him to prove the origin of their cards to any very trusted user asking him not to disclose the method itself. I added the negative trust only after he refused. However the offer is still opened and I'll remove the feedback as soon as a very trusted member confirms the method is legal.

I am not able to vouch for any Gift Card sellers, however I don't think that anonymous22 is laundering money via Gift Cards.
We disagree on this point but I recognize I can't be 100% sure. But he, you and everyone else must recognize how easy it would be for him to prove he's not doing anything wrong, right?

Like I said, it is possible that he is buying gift cards from a website (or other reputable source). Doing a google search for "buy gift cards cheap" comes back with the first result being "Buy Gift Cards: 83,831 Discount Gift Cards - Save up to 35%" I would find someone who is claiming to be able to sell large amounts of gift cards at one time to be more suspicious, as I would think it would be more difficult to get $500 worth of 1-800-flowers gift cards at one time (obtained legitimately), while someone buying on one of these kinds of sites might be able to get a single ~$50 gift card for any random store every week.

I am not 100% sure either. I have a $50 gift card from him from over a year ago that I have not had a chance to use that I just checked the balance on and it still has $50 on it.

I don't think I would consider your offer to be unfair, nor unreasonable. 


anonymous22 has a shady past. He was reselling bad cards and made a fuss over refunding Negative feedback was removed as he paid back. I'm 99% sure his cards are fraudulently obtained and he will troll you with the I didn't nothing wrong as I'm just reselling excuse.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/you-have-3-daysi-bought-200-of-gift-cards-from-anonymous22-now-both-are-at-0-729896
I was not aware of this. It looks like this was regarding Starbucks GC, which are known for being a money launder's heaven. I might be less willing to believe he is legit in light of this information/thread.
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February 24, 2016, 09:40:37 PM
#43

Why dont you guys do your research?
There are apps that pay you in giftcards for downloading other apps
Do some research before next question

I think you should do yours. With the amount they're selling you would need an army to earn that much from apps. Stop being naive.
Stop being an idiot, anyone with a relatively small amount of investment can buy about 50 vps in bulk, install an android emulator and run their method in mass
Not everyone is narrow minded and wont go the extra mile to make a decent amount of money

When you are from certain countries, you have to go the extra mile when making money online, you wouldn't know

Dude, listen to yourself. Even with 50 emulators it would be impossible. You practically earn cents from each downloaded app, also keep in mind that you have to run multiple emulators on one machine and then you got to run hundreds of those, almost botnet like. Seemingly impossible. Those cards are for high amounts. No downloaded app gives you $100 voucher. Accept the fact that those cards are obtained illegitimately. As your handle states, "Your Point Is Invalid" .
You are adapting the american attitude of - If it seems unfeasible, it probably is
Why do you have to runn all the emulators on one machine? do you understand my post? let me make it clearer



Buy 50 vps, install emulators on each vps, run the program, if you keep at this for hours a day then getting these cards would be easy
You are right, no downloaded app gives you $100 voucher, it all comes down to hard work and dedication

What evidence do you have?

Read back my post, you need hundreds of VPS , not only that, you would also need hundreds of email accounts as 1 email is linked to 1 play store account(assuming he's using playstore), and definitely a redemption(if it exist) would only allow once per account. Processes would also need to be automated ie botting. Highly unlikely that this is the method used as they are doing bulk sales not a one time small deal.

If it's a one time thing then people would understand, but selling in bulk and also you can request for other cards? Doesn't that show you something ?
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February 24, 2016, 09:34:36 PM
#42

Why dont you guys do your research?
There are apps that pay you in giftcards for downloading other apps
Do some research before next question

I think you should do yours. With the amount they're selling you would need an army to earn that much from apps. Stop being naive.
Stop being an idiot, anyone with a relatively small amount of investment can buy about 50 vps in bulk, install an android emulator and run their method in mass
Not everyone is narrow minded and wont go the extra mile to make a decent amount of money

When you are from certain countries, you have to go the extra mile when making money online, you wouldn't know

Dude, listen to yourself. Even with 50 emulators it would be impossible. You practically earn cents from each downloaded app, also keep in mind that you have to run multiple emulators on one machine and then you got to run hundreds of those, almost botnet like. Seemingly impossible. Those cards are for high amounts. No downloaded app gives you $100 voucher. Accept the fact that those cards are obtained illegitimately. As your handle states, "Your Point Is Invalid" .
You are adapting the american attitude of - If it seems unfeasible, it probably is
Why do you have to runn all the emulators on one machine? do you understand my post? let me make it clearer



Buy 50 vps, install emulators on each vps, run the program, if you keep at this for hours a day then getting these cards would be easy
You are right, no downloaded app gives you $100 voucher, it all comes down to hard work and dedication

What evidence do you have?
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 501
February 24, 2016, 09:29:29 PM
#41

Why dont you guys do your research?
There are apps that pay you in giftcards for downloading other apps
Do some research before next question

I think you should do yours. With the amount they're selling you would need an army to earn that much from apps. Stop being naive.
Stop being an idiot, anyone with a relatively small amount of investment can buy about 50 vps in bulk, install an android emulator and run their method in mass
Not everyone is narrow minded and wont go the extra mile to make a decent amount of money

When you are from certain countries, you have to go the extra mile when making money online, you wouldn't know

Dude, listen to yourself. Even with 50 emulators it would be impossible. You practically earn cents from each downloaded app, also keep in mind that you have to run multiple emulators on one machine and then you got to run hundreds of those, almost botnet like. Seemingly impossible. Those cards are for high amounts. No downloaded app gives you $100 voucher. Accept the fact that those cards are obtained illegitimately. As your handle states, "Your Point Is Invalid" .
hero member
Activity: 756
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Dear me, I think I'm becoming a god
February 24, 2016, 09:25:28 PM
#40

Why dont you guys do your research?
There are apps that pay you in giftcards for downloading other apps
Do some research before next question

I think you should do yours. With the amount they're selling you would need an army to earn that much from apps. Stop being naive.
Stop being an idiot, anyone with a relatively small amount of investment can buy about 50 vps in bulk, install an android emulator and run their method in mass
Not everyone is narrow minded and wont go the extra mile to make a decent amount of money

When you are from certain countries, you have to go the extra mile when making money online, you wouldn't know
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 501
February 24, 2016, 09:18:25 PM
#39

Why dont you guys do your research?
There are apps that pay you in giftcards for downloading other apps
Do some research before next question

I think you should do yours. With the amount they're selling you would need an army to earn that much from apps. Stop being naive.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 510
Dear me, I think I'm becoming a god
February 24, 2016, 09:17:02 PM
#38
I've seen your trust rating left on this user, to me, your actions are ridiculous, I've seen people give 20% discounts on things before without you or anyone else taking any action, but, if it is giftcards, you suspect it is fraud?
You literally have no evidence against these people
I'm sorry that people from third world countries work hard to gain these giftcards then sell them at a discount to turn their money quickly
I also see other people following you, giving negs without any evidence whatsoever

But hey, if you think what you think should alter everyone's perception, then go ahead, make ratings without having ground to stand on
He would have just said so when asked. That's clearly not the case. Do you honestly think he buys/gets cards and sells them at a loss instead of avoid getting them in the first place? Granted everything at all is possible but extremely unlikely!

In any case as I said before it's not like I'm assuming guilty until proven otherwise nor am I asking others to do so. I'm targeting only those who seem extremely suspicious. And it'd be easy for them to explain how they're getting the codes. They can explain it to an escrow or other very trusted member and be clean.

But of course most users won't be able to explain it clearly.


Yes I honestly think he earns these giftcards and sells them at a loss, if he has no use for these cards then he must get the cards exchanged for something that is actually of use to him (ex. bitcoin)

The point is, some people ( some from third world countries) use legal methods to get these giftcards and then sell them at less than face value as 80% in bitcoin is better than 100% giftcard that you cant use,



Also, if i were using a method to get these cards, i wouldnt tell anyone, if you have been on the forum for the last year or so, you would see that no-one here is trusted


Also I find the coordinated trust abuse from you and your friends interesting 

For what job does one get paid in bulk with gcs??
Why dont you guys do your research?
There are apps that pay you in giftcards for downloading other apps
Do some research before next question
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1042
www.explorerz.top
February 24, 2016, 09:08:25 PM
#37
I've seen your trust rating left on this user, to me, your actions are ridiculous, I've seen people give 20% discounts on things before without you or anyone else taking any action, but, if it is giftcards, you suspect it is fraud?
You literally have no evidence against these people
I'm sorry that people from third world countries work hard to gain these giftcards then sell them at a discount to turn their money quickly
I also see other people following you, giving negs without any evidence whatsoever

But hey, if you think what you think should alter everyone's perception, then go ahead, make ratings without having ground to stand on
He would have just said so when asked. That's clearly not the case. Do you honestly think he buys/gets cards and sells them at a loss instead of avoid getting them in the first place? Granted everything at all is possible but extremely unlikely!

In any case as I said before it's not like I'm assuming guilty until proven otherwise nor am I asking others to do so. I'm targeting only those who seem extremely suspicious. And it'd be easy for them to explain how they're getting the codes. They can explain it to an escrow or other very trusted member and be clean.

But of course most users won't be able to explain it clearly.


Yes I honestly think he earns these giftcards and sells them at a loss, if he has no use for these cards then he must get the cards exchanged for something that is actually of use to him (ex. bitcoin)

The point is, some people ( some from third world countries) use legal methods to get these giftcards and then sell them at less than face value as 80% in bitcoin is better than 100% giftcard that you cant use,



Also, if i were using a method to get these cards, i wouldnt tell anyone, if you have been on the forum for the last year or so, you would see that no-one here is trusted


Also I find the coordinated trust abuse from you and your friends interesting 

For what job does one get paid in bulk with gcs??
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