Topic: Street Selfie? Why all these crazy requirements in the name of KYC verification? (Read 1247 times)

Ah. Sorry about that. For some reason I read your in a completely different way. You are totally right. It doesn't look fair is a nice way of putting it. It's greed, and it runs in the blood of all casinos though no matter how pretty they make their website look or how friendly their staff are.

Unfortunately the reject all option doesn't reject all cookies at all sites. There are usually mandatory ones that you have to accept and which you can't reject even if the site offers you the reject all option. The reject all is for the optional cookies. Maybe tools like the Cookie-Editor can help to clear even the mandatory ones with the click of a button after you are done with a particular website. Manual deletion from the settings menu works as well, but both options first include accepting some and then deleting them afterwards.

Advanced users might get rid of the cookies popup using inspect element, but popular sites have protection in place against that. It works sometimes. 

True. I usually waste some time skimming through the terms when opening a bank account. But from what I've seen, most people really don't.

So true:

I don't like it either. But if you are going to sign up to somewhere that involves you sending them large amount of money, then you should really be taking the time to read what you are signing up to. You can quite easily focus in on only the parts which are important to you, as I did when I quoted from their terms above. It took me all of 2 minutes to find those relevant snippets.

And if you don't read them at all, then you can't really get annoyed when the company in question behaves in the exact way they said they were going to, regardless of how scummy said behavior is. If you aren't going to read the terms, then you should work on the assumption that they give the company free reign to do anything they like with your money or your data. Because when it comes to centralized crypto entities, that is more often than not the case.

I know that's how it works now, that's why I said it should be illegal. Casinos won't act against their financial interests until forced by regulators, and the entire concept of only asking for KYC on withdrawal doesn't look fair.

You got me curious since you specifically said 10 pages. Using tool to calculate total page[1] with setting Verdana, 12pt and 1.5 spacing i got following result on 3 different service,

• Coinbase user agreement[2] has 79.8 pages.
• Preinstalled Windows 11 License terms[3] has 16.9 pages.
• Trust wallet ToS[4] has 17.9 pages

So it looks like 10 pages on lower side of length ToS.


That's true. Although for cookies, there's option to choose "X", "Reject all", "Accept minimum" or similar lines which i automatically choose these days.


They offer great summarisation. But unfortunately they don't show last time when ToS of a website changed and last time they make an update, so i don't know how up to date is their summarisation. Although it's just small concern for me.

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[1] https://howtowrite.customwritings.com/pages-calculation/
[2] https://www.coinbase.com/legal/user_agreement/united_states
[3] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/UseTerms/OEM/Windows/11/UseTerms_OEM_Windows_11_English.htm
[4] https://trustwallet.com/terms-of-services

I am quite sure that's not how it works. A lot of casinos (as far as I have read) will only spring it on you when you try to withdraw. As far as I am aware, exchanges do the same thing. This way, you lose gambling/leverage trading, then you will have to deposit again. You will continue to do so until one day you withdraw, and that day is when business will end. Until then, they will continue to take your money for as long as you give it to them.

True. The only thing I can think of is some kind of FAQs that answers the most important question if a user doesn't have the time to read all of the ToS. Based on my experience, most faqs are only related to the operational side of the platform, never to the sensitive information that the user needs to know.

Personally, I only read the full ToS pages when I need to translate them for a project. After reading some of them, I can vaguely guess what this or that part means if I see it in other projects' ToS so it helps me if I want to skim it. Not everyone can do or have the time to do it though.

Personally, I find the notion of having to constantly agree to lengthy terms and conditions and cookie notifications quite frustrating. It seems that every website or app is like, "Hey, check out these 10 pages of fine print before you use us." Who's got the time for that? The truth is, most people don't have the patience to read through all of these agreements, and as a result, they often click "accept" without truly understanding what they are agreeing to. This is a concerning issue as it raises questions about privacy, data protection, and informed consent. In my opinion, there needs to be a better solution that balances the need for legal protection with the rights and interests of the user.

I honestly never met anyone who fully read any of those "infinite" T&S pages. I vaguely remember a case where a person actually read them in their entirety and ended up winning $1000[1]:
A useful tool that I use more often than not is Terms of Service Didn't Read[2][3] - only website, I don't have their extension installed - whose mission is to simply resume all those endless terms into simple bullet points that resume what will you, in fact, accept to (or refuse). They are funded[4] by non-profits organizations and by individuals and their software is released free of charge. Sadly cloudbet isn't listed on there (mostly due to the size of it vs other services such as AWS, DuckDuckGo, Twitch, ...).

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[1]https://www.pcmatic.com/blog/it-pays-to-read-license-agreements-7-years-later/
[2]https://tosdr.org/
[3]https://github.com/tosdr
[4]https://thanks.tosdr.org/

Technically, that's probably true. But morally, I don't like it. If I'd have to read through everything I have to agree to on a daily basis, I don't have time left for anything else. Cookie messages alone can be many pages, terms and conditions are easily tens or even hundreds of pages. Most people just click "accept" without even reading them, and I can't really blame them.

Previous discussions about such issues should be unnecessary. All of this behavior is clearly laid out in their various terms and policy documents. If you (again, not you personally) don't bother to read them, and just sign up and throw your money at the site, then you really can't complain when the sites does exactly what they said they were going to do and hold your money hostage. It's the exact same pattern we saw with the likes of Celsius, Voyager, BlockFi, etc. Everyone who lost money is super angry that these sites were handing out their coins in risky loans with no collateral and no guarantees of funds being paid back, while the entire time their Terms of Use quite clearly said that this is exactly what they were doing.

Here are just two relevant quotes, but the entire documents I've quoted here are just page after page of saying how they will collect any data they like about you and then do whatever they want to with it:


So if you are going to sign up under these terms, then there is no point getting angry when they are enforced. It's your fault and your fault alone for not reading them before you deposited.

I have never done KYC on a crypto casino, so I am not familiar with the procedure. There are some fiat sportsbooks that I have used (and still use occasionally) where my identify is verified. No one ever questioned me about the source of my founds. They just want to know I am who I say I am and live at the address I registered with.

All this address selfie bullshit aside, I don't think that normal crypto casinos that require KYC ask such questions either. They just want to know you are of legal age, you don't gamble from a restricted location, and that you haven't broken any of their terms.

I'm pretty sure the casinos don't want that, unless regulation forces them.

They want your money, but they don't want to pay you. It's basically an additional house edge.
If you (not you personally, it's a figure of speech) lose $100k in stolen money, it becomes legal profit for the casino. If you do that at 20 different casinos and win $1.5M at one of them, it becomes legal profit for you. If all 20 casinos would ask you to go through KYC and prove where you got the funds before you could deposit, none of them would have earned $100k from you. That gives them a huge incentive to not ask questions during deposit.

I agree with the first sentence, but not with the second one. It's, of course, unfortunate if this happened to you all of a sudden and you want your money back. But this issue with Cloudbet has been discussed for half a year now. I am sure that many gamblers are still playing there for whatever reasons and are just hoping it won't happen to them instead of taking their business elsewhere. So, the player shouldn't be blamed for having this happen to them out of the blue. They are to blame if they know it can happen but do nothing about it. Leave and never return!

Some casinos/sportsbooks operate like that. KYC verification the moment you create your account. At least that way you know where you stand. The problem is, crypto gamblers don't want that. They would rather gamble without KYC as well, and only do it if absolutely necessary. Take a look at the results of the poll or some of the comments in Do You Want KYC at Crypto Casinos During Registration? Because they don't mind, that's what they get. You are welcome to deposit and lose, but if you win and you win often, then we will investigate you.

I am sure if also depends on the regulator and license provider. I doubt that online/crypto casinos licensed by the UK Gambling Commission operate in the grey areas like the Curacao ones. I think The Gambling Commission has mandatory KYC on sign-up.

It should be illegal to ask for kyc only when withdrawing. It should be asked before you deposit, so they can't trick you and it makes actual money laundering though online casinos much harder.

No self-respect? If someone is holding a significant amount of money from you, then you are going to do what they say to get it. If the requirement was there without holding the money, no one would do it. Unless of course they are degenerate gamblers, then yes they have no self-respect.

What new excuse did they give after declining what you submitted. I am just being curious about how far they want to go.

My local bank doesn't even know what kind of business I do, what my exact source of income is, where my current exact location is and yep, I opened the account online and here we have some anonymous chaps asking for a street selfie? Give me a break, cloudbet 

This. 1000 times this.

I've spoken about this at length when people bend over backwards to send every last shred of information about themselves and a copy of every single document under the sun to some shady exchange just so they can buy and sell bitcoin. Why? There are literally hundreds of other exchanges out there you could use instead. Or when an exchange starts enforcing "taint" and other such nonsense, and people start worrying about where their coins have come from and who they have done business, when they could just choose a better exchange which doesn't subscribe to the provably falsehood of "taint".

A video selfie holding today's newspaper and piece of paper with your name and signature and your passport in front of a street sign near your house? That's all fine, apparently!? How much is finally going to be too much for people? A copy of your latest medical report? The passwords to your social media profiles? Absolute insanity.

No self-respect, that's why. Give the players big bonuses, free spins, the occasional free bet, slightly bigger odds than the competition and they will do anything you want. Many gamblers don't play where it's safer and better for them, but where there are bigger promises and the illusion of taking home 5-10 BTC in bonus money. If Cloudbet noticed a significant drop in activity following this idiotic street-sign requirement, they would have gotten rid of it in record time.

I really don't get why so many people are just okay with anything they ask. What's next, a dick pic in front of a street sign?
It's not as if there aren't countless other websites you can use to gamble/exchange without outrageous requirements, and they only get away with it because apparently many of their users let them. Don't let them!

Even if a bank asks me for a selfie, I close my account. They only ask this because it's cheaper than having someone visit their office to show their passport, and it doesn't even prove you didn't buy the selfie/address/passport/picture/anything from someone else.
It's fake security for bad people, and a serious threat to their privacy for honest people.

D*mn, so they really still doing this kind of sh*t.

Applying bank accounts in person at the counter is always been easy in any bank at least in my place 1-2 ID is enough, unlike making an account online where lots of requirement is needed probably because digital files can be forged.

Yes, cloudbet will decline your selfie. I live in a condo and there is no street sign on the street with the name and I sent them selfie from my balcony with newspaper and today date and ID, and still they declined. Cloudbet is simply joke, and all that for funny amount of money to be mentioned

The first time I read about this street selfie, I'd done selfies on some legal and reputable sites and even on my national ID card and my local exchange, but never a street selfie if it's being asked to check if the site is not a scam because there is no reputable site that will ask for more except selfie with code and address I don't know what's the logic of the street selfie when selfie with a code is just enough to prove that you are real and the same person on your information if you're living in a condominium or remote area that has no street sign, will they decline your selfie.

Open your own topic in services, it's unlikely someone will come to this old topic with the exact thing you need.
With that being said I would warn everyone against trying to facilitate a KYC for a total stranger on the internet, you simply have no idea what you might get dragged into, it might be a harmful thing of someone who is from a banned country or some far more illegal.
Plus, again, what are you going to do if they ask fro this proof one year later and you can't get hold of the one that did the video the first time?


I've never been asked by a bank to provide more than my ID at the counter and I haven't heard of anything other than a video call if you can convince them you're unable to go to a local branch, never selfie, pictures with paper, or anything like that, I doubt they are even legal in the EU!

The casinos that ask the customer for these strange verifications, it is clear that they want the customer to refrain from sending these documents or to fail to pass the KYC in order to issue and freeze his funds, and they are definitely scam casinos, because banks or companies now either ask the customer to send them an audio recording, passport, identity card, or driver's license, or for one of them to hold and take a selfie, or to write a paper that contains today's date, name, and the rest of the details, and holding it, and then take a selfie, but for the customer to take a selfie outside the building or street sign and showing his face while holding the government document, this is a strange thing that I have not seen before.

It sounds more like a review than a KYC. They should pay users for doing such publicity. I believe in Crypto services should be as anonymous as possible.

If anyone can solve video selfie verification for bet365 please let's contact me.

I see some logic there, probably someone may do KYC verification, risk and launder money if he can protect his IP address via Tor, VPN and other methods but when it comes to KYC procedure in the street, then it's a very risky move cause you are leaking your location.
I think that if Criminal X risks and still does KYC at his home in a safe environment, he won't do it in public.

Yes, we definitely need it. I still don't understand why the leaders of countries think that it's okay for online business to operate and ask KYC to anyone they wish. TikTok, Meta and other popular platforms collect tons of data and process them in their countries, this can be a serious threat for any nation except 1-2.
Hope we will have progress in protecting of privacy in Europe, this gives me some hope: Meta warns it may shut Facebook in Europe but EU leaders say life would be 'very good' without it.

And just about any other site that holds your funds. I think it's going to get worse and worse since people seem to be jumping though whatever they ask for. We see it as insane KYC they see it as CYA (Cover Your Ass) let's face it. If someone was doing something wrong and they come back and say, we have a copy of his ID with him standing under a street sign and the address is within the geo-location of the IP that he connected with. They have a better case then saying, yeah he said his name was Bob and we believed him.

I can also see some small country somewhere taking advantage of this and opening up their borders for online casinos and such. Just so they get their cut.

Until other countries complain and we do the loop again.

-Dave

Because at that time they were asking for those just to cover their asses on some laws nobody bothered about when it came to crypto casinos, not that they actually cared if those IDs are fake or real, they were happy with having the minimum AML requirement checked and that's that, now that things have changed and everyone is aware you can get those for 10-20$ they've ramped up a bit the requirements and although even those can still be passed the main reason behind it is to make it costly and far riskier for both the one selling your services to pass KYC and the customer.

I'm just thinking of this scenario, you have paid a guy on Fiverr to verify your account, and they suddenly ask you for one more picture 3 months later, and you call the guy again since obviously it's his face there, he sees you have 20k locked there,  and suddenly he asks you for 10k instead of 100 and it's your choice lose 50% or 100% of the money. Would you still risk it?

Kind of ironic that even opening an account on gambling websites has become a gamble on its own.

But according to your post history, it seems to me you are having issues with Playbetr and not Cloudbet. When did this issue come up and why didn't you make a scam accusation after you failed to get your money?

I just check the Cloudbet thread and I have just seen another user post a length KYC requirement 
I am glad I don't use casinos. Gone are the days when they just ask for the front and back side of your Government issued ID and KYC verification was complete.

I was asked to do the same, I provide them one photo and they refused it and ask for another. Even if you provide them what they ask for they can just reject reject and reject, and good bye money. It is CLOUDBET that we are speaking about

Because banks actually do the verification of the numbers on that ID and they have the network in place to do it.
The moment you go to a bank and present a fake ID you can be sure that you're going to get in trouble, we have updated our system for example last year, it takes only 10 minutes from the moment a bank operator to nserts your ID details and they know already who is in front of them, how much he makes, what's his real updated address with the authorities that might not be on older ID cars and your banking history, besides banks have the possibility of scanning your actual ID, not a photo.

Using a fake ID in a bank will land you up to 5 years in jail, how much are you risking by sending a shady online casino a fake picture? 


No surprise, after all the major flaw in this garbage is that you can't verify the authenticity of the document in the picture, even if it bypasses the criteria it still might be bogus information. Banking account verification are probably the easiest, just as how 1$ temporary card charges to prove you own it, combine that with the security implemented by banks for 2FPA authorizations and you can trim down the mountain.

But no casino will go this way as they want to stay away from banks and police and other authorities themselves.
 

Yeah, no wonder KYC is getting gamed because it's insecure as s***.
I don't want to know how much KYC data is circulating on the Darknet getting abused by criminals. 

Just recently, some German hackers from CCC (Chaos Computer Club) have exposed (once again) how insecure the video-ident process is and demanded the German government to ban video-ident. (original article in German).
In addition, the hackers demanded to establish a commision to prove that a technology is really safe. And video-ident is not safe, it's highly insecure.
The funny thing: some German government experts have recommended banning video-ident too, but nothing has changed, video-ident is still allowed (but it's getting reviewed now).

It could be so easy to issue a simple transaction from a verified bank account to authorize an account (for example exchange) and such a system is currently reviewed in Germany, called bank-ident. We need experts to build and review it.
Protecting privacy should be of high priority and luckily, some people like from CCC (Chaos Computer Club) are doing a very good job here.

Definitely wired, I mean what is the need for specifically asking for a street or outside the building type of selfie, is it to track the user down with the footage and whatever is in the background?
Any platform that will require such as a requirement for KYC will immediately loss me as a potential user, it is bad enough to want to got through KYC and now you have to do it in the open with the details of your surroundings in it! No way am doing that crap.

The agents who is setting all these criteria don't even think about from their customers view, even if they are living in a country where all these things are exist but to do such kind of selfie in a public place with much details and accuracy is way awkward and annoying, I will never use them again if I get such feelings once.

Holy cow. I wonder if they also sell the selfies to other companies to train their AI. Not saying they did, but assuming I've found some gigs like this in the past, it is not out of the picture. Hopefully, it won't be the trend, if it does happen I won't torture myself for something like this.

Perhaps it's away of keeping the customer's money hostage since what they ask for is close to impossible. Imagine if the customer is from one of those 3rd world countries where residential places have no marked buildings or even well demarcated streets. What does the customer do then in order to pass the KYC requirements?

Not even the banks I have used before ask for this kind of verification 

Asking for selfie is acceptable or if they want serious verification if they found something is not good then just ask for the video call verification which is more convenient and credible than holding a selfie and writing something on the paper because in the todays technology any kind of editing is possible just from the simple android apps.

I only now became aware that this thread exists because of a scam accusation by a user whose account was closed by Cloudbet and verification is being sought, which he has been trying to do for some time - and it is much clearer to me why he may not succeed in this - because like @stompix wrote in his post, it will be very problematic for some people to make a street selfie according to the criteria required of them.

As much as I despise scammers and I'm not against KYC as a measure to protect companies and clients, I think they really overdid it in this case. I certainly wouldn't do this kind of KYC, if nothing else then for the reason that my neighbors would call me crazy for walking around with a newspaper and trying to capture the name of my street, the newspaper and myself in one frame

It seems to me that someone has watched too many movies, and that what they are looking for could be called "proof of life".


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This is the weirdest and most extreme thing I've heard in a while, I've never used a casino in my life but if we take a rough example, most banks now record your voice as a digital signature without taking a picture of your ID card, so why are casinos so extreme or are there no more sensible solutions?

Street selfies? Hm, that does not make sense if a site needs that because they want to prove that we live in an environment that matches our ID. I don't want to do it just to get a verification stamp from a site, especially if it's a gambling site. What does a gambling site need that for? Even my bank opening an account doesn't do that either where they just need my ID to open an account without any selfies.

Maybe they want to know if their members are people who live in the same neighbourhood as their identities so they need street selfies from their members. But I don't think it's necessary and not worth it as an excuse to verify an account.

I used to think that too... there are at least two really old brands on this forum alone that have consistently done that (accept deposits, then request ridiculously impossible KYC processes) over the past few years -- the ANN threads, the AskGamblers feedback and complaints page, which is public. So they've got so much public negative feedback but they're apparently still growing. Go figure.

I guess it's just better marketing to cover up the crap, and they do seem to do this for big withdrawals. So it ends up becoming a cost they can afford, even reputational damage.

I don't want to say casinos are alone. Crypto exchanges I've also dealt with, to the point I'm almost an expert on specific AML processes (SofI, PoF, in particular) though understandably, they're meeting compliance measures NOT required of casinos.

But wouldn't that harm their business model? I mean at some point the number of negative feedback about their casino (how they took users' funds hostage) has to grow so much that new customers won't go there anymore and they would have to shut down.

I think they are just too paranoid and they think that it will be easy for many people to fake the kyc process, that is why they require different things. If you are in those places where no street sign or a building without a name then you're doomed. Your money can get stuck forever on that gambling site but in case you haven't deposited anything yet and the kyc is only asked during the sign up process then you can easily discard it and don't mind playing on that site all.

Taking a selfie in public is indeed risky not only because you can get hit by a vehicle but also your phone or camera can get stolen. We know the world right now, so many thefts in the streets and most of them are only using a motorcycle.

Wow. Utter rubbish. Financial institutions don't even go this way, facial verification can already be done automatically and reliably, there is no legal requirement to prove you are in a particular location since it is player jurisdictions, rather than locations that should matter. I highly doubt Cloudbet's license even gives them the justification to request such data, maybe it's time someone report them to say, GDPR.

@pooya87 When funds are held hostage, that could be the only resort for many. These casinos accept anon deposits happily, and then trigger all these requests upon withdrawal.

It is one thing to see a centralized exchange that works with fiat currencies to request KYC, it is another to see an altcoin exchange that has no fiat currencies to ask for KYC and it is an entirely more ridiculous thing to see a crypto casino to ask for KYC and to ask you to also jump through hoops has to be that last straw!
I mean who in their right minds gives their personal information to an online casino in first place let alone jump through so many hoops... it looks like there are many who do

For them they are taking this KYC steps ahead like at some point there were some levels like at higher the amount you want to withdraw more documents you need but this street sign and newspaper in one hand has gone too far.How could people not understand this privacy oriented things and just go with whatever they demand them to do.There are lot of other options which have zero KYC needs and you can opt for them.Your selfies and bank data are way to track you in every possible manners so why you are into decentralised world of crypto id you are really comfortable with providing them with all the documents they need so they can block your transactions and then government would come after you because you were involved in this gambling sort of thing and then you loose your coins and privacy is a just a joke for them.

Just as for the human eye photoshopping a picture looks very easy for programs is easy to identify photoshopped pictures extremely easy.
And the request of it being an outside picture brings the whole problem of shadows, you won't get professional work for 25$, you will get some freelance doing this in real picture but then you have another problem, and some have already figured it out how to deal with it.

What if they ask you for another set of pictures next year or 6 months from now?
What if is the guy that posed as you is unreachable, he doesn't want to do it again, he's dead?
You're....$#@#!


I know this whole thing with the selfie is pure bs, but claiming that taking a selfie in front of your house is endangering your life is just as absurd. Where do you live, 1 Galle Road, Colombo?

Lol. Is this what people are subjecting themselves to these days in exchange for the privilege of being allowed to give their coins away to a complete stranger and lose all ownership rights of them? You can take out a credit card with a bank statement with your name and address on it. You can fly around the world with a passport. But those things are obviously beneath the almighty "Cloudbet", who need a bank statement, passport, street selfie holding a newspaper, video of you saying "My name is x and I love Cloudbet", and the password to your email account so they can check the bank statement you gave them was actually emailed to you directly from the bank. What a load of horseshit.

Every day that goes by I seem to be more and more justified in my stance of never completing KYC anywhere.

That's too much load to the user if they are implementing that and they are a Cryptocurrency based casino I don't think many players of that casino will continue to play even their loyal members will think of leaving, it is an update on the verification of their players, so it is not originally from their TOS if they have it in their TOS already they will have bad feedback and those suppose to play will just pick other casinos to play, usual video verification is just enough, because some countries do not have newspaper anymore because of the technology.

While I can see the benefit of verifying contact information or postal address, I think a street selfie unnecessarily adds a level of discomfort. But, let's just say that I don't mind losing a little time (and a couple of selfies) for the sites I play at to keep the cheaters at bay, I see a couple of potential problems here. For example, what if someone lives in a street without a public sign or in a building without a name? Should we ask our local government to put up signs just for us? Second, taking a selfie in a public can be potentially dangerous, especially if done in a densely populated area with heavy traffic. No one has the right to ask you for something that can endanger your health or even your life. Third, asking a customer to buy the local daily newspaper is just stupid. How will they know if the newspaper is real or fake? Small-circulation dailies rarely have updated websites to verify the front page. I just don't see the whole point of this, other than perhaps denying the gambler the payout of his winnings because of all of these excessive demands.

It's simple: they don't need to know who you are for you to lose money. You are welcome to lose your money on all of them anonymously. The community wanted private crypto casinos with no KYC, they got it. Just don't win anything spectacular. If you do, you agreed to their TOS that state they can request KYC from you and freeze your money until you comply.

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Next year we will have to submit dick pictures with a sign hanging on our ding dongs to confirm our gender.

Yes, maybe not if the verification is done manually.
In the op case it is a collective KYC request for all users that the company is likely to use an automated verification tool from a third party.
In the past I have liked to test the KYC verification system of new sites, among those using such verification tools I managed to pass with random identities (even so, I didn't use them though). One of the example: KYC on Vindax

I don't like this, but I guess they are thinking that everyone carries smartphone spyware devices, and they could reduce number of cheaters, but it's just to extreme for me.
Just an idea, I wonder what would happen if I print specific street name and number, stick it to some random building and make a selfie with someone who is using that kyc documents.
They could in theory check google maps and see exact image, or they could even check image exif file with exact location coordinates, if I was stupid enough to not delete this information.

Never heard such thing and I find it really weird since why would those people ask for street selfie? while selfie verification is enough already. Maybe they are hiding something and I find it suspicious since those people who ask that can use that street selfie to confuse other people and take advantage on some certain situation. So I bet we should ignore those people or platform asking this kind of requirement since its bit risky for us to comply those things.

If the verification were to validate our account on a casino site, I would never want to do it because I don't gamble much.
But if it's from an exchange, maybe I'll rethink whether I'll stick with it or look for something else.
Somehow, nowadays, KYC seems to make it difficult for users who want to join multiple businesses or this may be their strategy to find out the background of each user who wants to join them.
This is an unpleasant thing because we seem to be forced to do things that seem trivial.

Street selfie? Serious? There are dozens of ways how to cheat with that? The easiest way is to use chrome key or green screen behind to fake your surrounding. 25 euro and you can be everywhere. Photoshop online is free.

Street selfie might work, only if you have send them their your utility bill, ID and they will ask you to take a selfie in a specific place in your area. Yet still freelancers can help to trick that.

I like it when you have to include the service or site for which you are doing the verification, because you can then trace back the data breach, if and when your documents were used for Identity theft. (These people can edit the photo to remove it, but there are forensic evidence that it was edited to add in your defense)

I have done KYC/AML verification on several sites and a lot of these sites are struggling with "false" documents that were bought on the Darkweb. (Proof of address & False ID's) 

I speculate that moneylaundering through the use of cryptocoins and cryptospace services like gambling sites and exchanges might be growing. These new moneylaunderers might also be using fake identification and other fake documents. However, what these gambling sites and exchanges do not know is much of today's moneylaundering is being done through money mules. They are persons with KYC accounts paid for by the moneylaunderers to launder their money for them.

LOL! How ridiculous! This is too much, and redundant, too! Isn't it that the reason why a newspaper is used as a proof in taking pictures is that the date is indicated there or that the headline represents that date?

And they should've actually tried this themselves! By the sound of it, it's not easy. I'm holding a camera on one hand, holding a newspaper and ID on the other, looking for the perfect angle to include the building or the street sign at the background, finding the perfect lighting to make sure all the details on the newspaper and ID are legible, that it isn't blurred or has glare or whatever. A single small movement might actually blur the contents on the ID or the newspaper. Why can't they be reasonable?

You can't fake a video verification, especially if its like a video-interview verification where the interviewer ask repeated questions about yourself for confirmations.
But for simple need to submit video i guess that's possible, but would be easy to detect a fake one.

Did you think it is a lie that people are selling KYC? This is not beyond what they can do.

On Cloudbet ToS, submitting KYC could be there, but no one would know if he is going to have to go through another type of selfies, so it would not be stated that street signs and news paper would be included, all people would be thinking is submitting IDs, making video or snapping.

How many people read ToS, it is usually long, but it is important to read ToS though for not to make mistake. Some people may decide to have just a single account, not take advantage of deposit bonus with another account, not using VPN and making sure the betting site allows people from his country to gamble while gambling is allowed in his country. If the person know that what could happen last is is to submit his IDs and other details, but mandating street signs and news paper would definitely be frustrating.

If they start to distrust video verification it might make bit of sense. Some android apps are able to animate a photo as if it were alive by imitating what you are doing and making sounds too. Maybe a third party KYC service has a weakness if it only focuses on human objects, that's why their KYC system is starting to take advantage of the surrounding environment as an object at least they can be sure it shows enough authenticity.

That's insane, it's a nonsense requirement of KYC, though it's hard, but possible the photo could be faked.

I didn't know what happen most in gambling because ain't an active poster there but I think this something just like a loophole to them, a kind of a trap and it seems they wanted to delay or if you can't comply the requirements you can't withdraw the fund, I tend to agree with the comment above pointed out by examplens.

It's fine if all of these are stated on their terms and use, at least you know that you may encounter this when you want to withdraw your money, but if not, it seems something shady to me.  Upon using any platforms out there, just make sure you understand the terms of use.

A picture can be easily got photoshopped, it doesn't make sense to require street selfie, parents selfie, house selfie, and so on. If they're looking for highly percentage of trustworthy KYC, video or live conversation are enough. Asking for non sense picture is pointless.

But, if all customers need to complete the street selfie, it's make people like a scammer since it's complicated.

my private house has a number lets say 33 and my drivers license has a matching number.

but they should ask for a google street view of my home. not a newspaper.

if I do a 14 inch print of my google street view
and stay by my house number
and hold my NJ, USA
drivers license
along with a sunday asbury press

it would be hard but not impossible to fake.


the reality is I simply do not want a casino knowing exactly where I live and I don’t know where they live.

I grew up on the border of brooklyn and queens.

east new york and ozone park were old school Italian neighborhoods

one rule was if a guy knew you enough to know where your home was you better make sure you knew where he lived.

Just in case .

these casinos do not allow me data on them so fuck them
I do not use any of them.

I see uploading ID and making video recording or snapping of oneself to be good enough, still they can be manipulated. Making selfie with a street sign and snapping of a news paper is not a barrier at all for those that are selling verified account just like you said, I see it not necessary at all, even the exchanges I have used are not stringent with their KYC requirements like that while I expect exchanges to be more strict with their KYC requirements.

Before I know this forum, I was using local gambling sites, they all are not yet requiring for KYCs in a hard way like that, just name, data of birth and other basic verifications, no IDs needed but they are fiat for gambling sites. I later used bet365, when I have no driver licence, international passport or permanent national id, I still was able to use birth certificate for the verification and I was verified.

Currently I am using the gambling sites on this forum, all are not hard like that, some even do no require for ID card but just basic verification.

I'm still waiting for the mandatory sperm sample.

I've been using NitrogenSports for a while now without any problems (other than their bad UI/UX) and without any sudden KYC requirement. DYOR though, I've seen a few complaints about missing funds throughout the years.

Since then they've noticed that sending pictures can easily mean nothing at all, since everything can be faked with enough skill.
So what they do is making everything more difficult. Which was proven (so many times) to be plain stupid, since it makes the life of normal people more difficult, make everything more costly and, as we all know, will most probably not stop the (ever growing number of) scammers.

what I noticed is that casinos, when they need to pay out a larger amount, very often ask for KYC. and it is not rare that there are very complicated KYC procedures for the pass. Someone could conclude that this is an intention to delay or stop the withdrawal of money from the casino.


why casinos do not have an independent KYC register?
One registry for all, where users will be able to undergo verification, and the casino will only need some kind of verification code from this service.

I'm guessing it's to prevent KYC submission using stolen data/photos. As more and more services require selfies with their IDs, the more and more people leave these photos on their cloud drives, hence quite prone from being stolen by hackers.

I do agree that it's getting too ridiculous though.

To blackmail you. They have no compliance tools developed that will acurately determine your proof of residence, and it's highly unlikely that some operator is goint to be typing this all by hand - and, if they ever get hacked and the KYC data is stolen (because there is no 3rd party in the world that does "street sign verification" - of course they are storing them on their own servers), you can be sure to expect a visit from some thugs who know that you have thousands of dollars worth of crypto in your casino account.

For a reference, the only proof of identity services like Amazon need is a bank withdrawal statement.

Never use a service whose KYC does not accept bank withdrawal statements as sufficient proof of address.

As if taking selfies and holding IDs aren't annoying enough. Things are becoming difficult for those who cheat because privacy is costly these days. Privacy has a higher tag price, it's not a walk in the park anymore and you get away.

It could get a lot worse since cheaters can always find a way, next time they may need DNA already recorded live on cam and they can trace your relatives. 

It's really the fault of casinos that have various idiotic bonus structures vulnerable to sockpuppeting. There are anonymous online casinos that never had KYC, and legalities in certain jurisdictions aside, they work fine.

Ok, I know sportsbooks may need to enforce certain limits, but a street selfie isn't gonna help with that, and most of these casinos don't require KYC on sign up, which is what they really should do. I can't enter a local B&M casino without an ID, and I can't register on their website without an ID, so not sure why some Bitcoin casinos have chosen the shitiest possible way to deal with identification.

Yeah, it is getting nuts. I am guessing that it is going to get a lot worse before it gets any better. I can see a lot of places trying to come up with more and more 'creative' ways of doing KYC to combat fraud. It's the people who try to scam / cheat that make some of it necessary and others who try to fake location. I don't think it's going to help but I can see why they are trying it.

Note, I am talking about online casinos here not other services.

-DAve

KYC becomes more complicated, insecured and shits.
Video KYC should be enough than going outside considering your security, and safety. Making selfie with "cloudbet" word or maybe soon an exchange name ^{(if they will consider such kyc)} like you are shouting, "Hey, i'm playing at cloudbet, come at me on my home" much worse if its an exchange.

Last selfie that I did was last month to our local exchanges, actually it was a video selfie, stating your name and the current date and holding a valid id.

But true, fraudsters will find away to circumvent with this verification, and people are willing to be paid just to have their picture taken in street level, Lol.

To make sure that you are located where you claim to be located, but obviously that's not going to work. Cheaters will find ways to cheat (e.g. get someone on fiverr to take a picture for them) and legitimate users will laugh and leave, or perhaps will cheat too because who has even seen an actual printed newspaper recently.

It was only ID documents before, later to taking selfie which can be anywhere, people can even do it at home, now it is selfie showing street sign.

Not even a piece of paper, but a newspaper.

I do not see any reason, but I am thinking Cloudbet is looking for more ways KYC can not be manipulated, but this is inconvenience. I do not think I can use any site like that when there are other good gambling sites with easy verification process.

I was browsing through the gambling board, and then I came across some member complaining about some casino that had requested for KYC verification which is OK but what was weird was the way they wanted the user to verify the account  


Seriously, is this going to be the new trend in KYC verification?
Remember, back then, all that most services required were the front and back part of your ID or passport before they started asking for simple selfies.

Why would they need a street sign or building name?