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Quote from: BTCIndia on December 26, 2013, 12:46:46 PM

Quote from: subvolatil on December 26, 2013, 12:43:07 PM

Quote from: BTCIndia on December 26, 2013, 12:39:55 PM

Quote from: CoinCidental on December 25, 2013, 12:09:25 PM

i would ask them to fill in their btc address or the say last 10 digits of it when they are signing up for your service
a btc address or even a partial one is not invading their privacy or putting them at any risk

thats a simple solution to know who paid and who didnt pay when the payments arrive at your wallet

I'm not bothered about payment here. I'm bothered about tracing identity or say linking details with their wallet address.Well, this is something that Bitcoin community won't like me to do. I'm just a dreamer.

Jhon Lenon- ....They may say, I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one.... *Music*

Well when it comes to the bitcoin community every idea is accepted. Open discussion is how bitcoin came into existence.

you want to track identity. of a visitor in your website. right?

Now tell me what all info will you ask from the user. and if the user will don any transaction in your website?

Email/Name/Mobile is sufficient for me, but to distract them I'll be asking some more. I'm working on concept here. Nothing else! And no transaction will be done on website. Cheesy

Well in that case you will have to use a tracking cookie. but that wont help much unless the user does a transaction on a website.

besides a straightforward asking for the bitcoin address. the only other way to get the address would be termed illegal and breach of user privacy

So in short a transaction should be made, may be on a second website that can recognize the cookie form the first website you filled the details in . (this too is a fine line between privacy and breaking the law)

The other ways are illegal and will not be talked about.

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Quote from: subvolatil on December 26, 2013, 12:43:07 PM

Quote from: BTCIndia on December 26, 2013, 12:39:55 PM

Quote from: CoinCidental on December 25, 2013, 12:09:25 PM

i would ask them to fill in their btc address or the say last 10 digits of it when they are signing up for your service
a btc address or even a partial one is not invading their privacy or putting them at any risk

thats a simple solution to know who paid and who didnt pay when the payments arrive at your wallet

I'm not bothered about payment here. I'm bothered about tracing identity or say linking details with their wallet address.Well, this is something that Bitcoin community won't like me to do. I'm just a dreamer.

Jhon Lenon- ....They may say, I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one.... *Music*

Well when it comes to the bitcoin community every idea is accepted. Open discussion is how bitcoin came into existence.

you want to track identity. of a visitor in your website. right?

Now tell me what all info will you ask from the user. and if the user will don any transaction in your website?

Email/Name/Mobile is sufficient for me, but to distract them I'll be asking some more. I'm working on concept here. Nothing else! And no transaction will be done on website. Cheesy

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Quote from: BTCIndia on December 26, 2013, 12:39:55 PM

Quote from: CoinCidental on December 25, 2013, 12:09:25 PM

i would ask them to fill in their btc address or the say last 10 digits of it when they are signing up for your service
a btc address or even a partial one is not invading their privacy or putting them at any risk

thats a simple solution to know who paid and who didnt pay when the payments arrive at your wallet

I'm not bothered about payment here. I'm bothered about tracing identity or say linking details with their wallet address.Well, this is something that Bitcoin community won't like me to do. I'm just a dreamer.

Jhon Lenon- ....They may say, I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one.... *Music*

Well when it comes to the bitcoin community every idea is accepted. Open discussion is how bitcoin came into existence.

you want to track identity. of a visitor in your website. right?

Now tell me what all info will you ask from the user. and if the user will don any transaction in your website?

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Quote from: CoinCidental on December 25, 2013, 12:09:25 PM

i would ask them to fill in their btc address or the say last 10 digits of it when they are signing up for your service
a btc address or even a partial one is not invading their privacy or putting them at any risk

thats a simple solution to know who paid and who didnt pay when the payments arrive at your wallet

I'm not bothered about payment here. I'm bothered about tracing identity or say linking details with their wallet address.Well, this is something that Bitcoin community won't like me to do. I'm just a dreamer.

Jhon Lenon- ....They may say, I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one.... *Music*

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i would ask them to fill in their btc address or the say last 10 digits of it when they are signing up for your service
a btc address or even a partial one is not invading their privacy or putting them at any risk

thats a simple solution to know who paid and who didnt pay when the payments arrive at your wallet

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Quote from: BTCIndia on December 25, 2013, 10:53:56 AM

Quote from: techguy on December 25, 2013, 07:28:14 AM

Quote from: BTCIndia on December 25, 2013, 01:47:41 AM

subvolatil suggested: simple thing to do is to have every user filling the form to also add their btc address.

It is not possible to ask user to give their address in fill up form. I don't want to make them suspicious, by asking private information and wallet information at same time. This is not working for me!

1. Technically speaking, I agree with subvolatil suggestion. During form filling, ask the user's BTC address and do the username to BTC address mapping internally.

If you want don't want to trouble the user during form fillup try the following.
(OR)
2. As buysellbitcoin suggested, autogenerate a new BTC address per user basis, and do the user to address mapping internally (Similar to cryptsy guys). Present this BTC address whenever an user is doing a transaction.
(OR)
3. Instead of autogenerating one BTC address per user(as mentioned in 2), autogenerate a new BTC address per transaction. Present this BTC address whenever an user is doing a transaction.

Thanks everyone for guidance!

Techguy, if I generate new BTC address per transaction then, how am I going to accumulate wealth at one place. Then won't it be necessary to keep 'X' number of wallet address and 'X' number of private keys?

If you are really paranoid about the security, then per transaction-wise address is advisable otherwise go for per user address. You can use per transaction address in 2 ways.
1. As a throw away address --> Once the amount is being credited to this address, transfer the amount to your main address. Then you don't need to worry about securing the private keys of these addresses.
2. Longer life address --> Accumulate the diversified amount to a single address on need basis. But the problem here is, you need to gaurd your private keys in a safer manner.

Check this to autogenerate addresses:
http://procbits.com/2013/08/27/generating-a-bitcoin-address-with-javascript
https://www.bitaddress.org/

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Quote from: techguy on December 25, 2013, 07:28:14 AM

Quote from: BTCIndia on December 25, 2013, 01:47:41 AM

subvolatil suggested: simple thing to do is to have every user filling the form to also add their btc address.

It is not possible to ask user to give their address in fill up form. I don't want to make them suspicious, by asking private information and wallet information at same time. This is not working for me!

1. Technically speaking, I agree with subvolatil suggestion. During form filling, ask the user's BTC address and do the username to BTC address mapping internally.

If you want don't want to trouble the user during form fillup try the following.
(OR)
2. As buysellbitcoin suggested, autogenerate a new BTC address per user basis, and do the user to address mapping internally (Similar to cryptsy guys). Present this BTC address whenever an user is doing a transaction.
(OR)
3. Instead of autogenerating one BTC address per user(as mentioned in 2), autogenerate a new BTC address per transaction. Present this BTC address whenever an user is doing a transaction.

Thanks everyone for guidance!

Techguy, if I generate new BTC address per transaction then, how am I going to accumulate wealth at one place. Then won't it be necessary to keep 'X' number of wallet address and 'X' number of private keys?

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Quote from: BTCIndia on December 25, 2013, 01:47:41 AM

subvolatil suggested: simple thing to do is to have every user filling the form to also add their btc address.

It is not possible to ask user to give their address in fill up form. I don't want to make them suspicious, by asking private information and wallet information at same time. This is not working for me!

1. Technically speaking, I agree with subvolatil suggestion. During form filling, ask the user's BTC address and do the username to BTC address mapping internally.

If you want don't want to trouble the user during form fillup try the following.
(OR)
2. As buysellbitcoin suggested, autogenerate a new BTC address per user basis, and do the user to address mapping internally (Similar to cryptsy guys). Present this BTC address whenever an user is doing a transaction.
(OR)
3. Instead of autogenerating one BTC address per user(as mentioned in 2), autogenerate a new BTC address per transaction. Present this BTC address whenever an user is doing a transaction.

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Quote from: Benson Samuel on December 25, 2013, 02:08:44 AM

Quote from: subvolatil on December 25, 2013, 01:42:18 AM

Quote from: Benson Samuel on December 25, 2013, 01:40:18 AM

Quote from: subvolatil on December 25, 2013, 12:57:48 AM

Quote from: Benson Samuel on December 25, 2013, 12:12:19 AM

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Nakamoto has somehow managed to make people sign up form with details. All he knows is those details that are send by user(Name, sex and age + IP). He neither knows their wallet number nor any other detail. What he wishes is- when a person sends 1 Bitcoin to his wallet, his database automatically updates so that he knows that Aman send 1 Bitcoin from that wallet, Bobby send 1 Bitcoin.. and blah blah blah. He wishes his database(Name, age, sex) to be automatically update with users wallet details. Is it possible?

I do believe that what you are looking for is a callback that talks to your database and makes an entry into the relevant database and then assigns a payto address as mentioned by buysellbitco.in. This will help you get close to A man

In the event that a callback is not passed and no unique address was generated, then there are ways to sniff the IP of incoming transactions from the other node, but to get the exact IP, you need to be the first to receive broadcast of the trx. This is not possible. Unless you have a layer around the node that is sending. If you can build a layer there, then IP matching should not be a problem at all.

Well i think what he asked is multiple transaction sent to one address at the same time .

Tracking the addresses and identifying the user is what i think he wanted to find.

simple thing to do is to have every user filling the form to also add their btc address.

By the way Benson how are you proposing to find the IP. i did not quite get that.

By surrounding all nodes on the network and tracking where the coin was first sent from Cheesy

That is impossible to do you would need to log each and every node and keep track of every new nodes that come into the network. How can that be done ?

It can't be done, but here is some text that gets you thinking.

http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/7173/what-can-happen-if-when-a-node-is-surrounded-by-rogue-nodes

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Quote from: subvolatil on December 25, 2013, 01:42:18 AM

Quote from: Benson Samuel on December 25, 2013, 01:40:18 AM

Quote from: subvolatil on December 25, 2013, 12:57:48 AM

Quote from: Benson Samuel on December 25, 2013, 12:12:19 AM

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Nakamoto has somehow managed to make people sign up form with details. All he knows is those details that are send by user(Name, sex and age + IP). He neither knows their wallet number nor any other detail. What he wishes is- when a person sends 1 Bitcoin to his wallet, his database automatically updates so that he knows that Aman send 1 Bitcoin from that wallet, Bobby send 1 Bitcoin.. and blah blah blah. He wishes his database(Name, age, sex) to be automatically update with users wallet details. Is it possible?

I do believe that what you are looking for is a callback that talks to your database and makes an entry into the relevant database and then assigns a payto address as mentioned by buysellbitco.in. This will help you get close to A man

In the event that a callback is not passed and no unique address was generated, then there are ways to sniff the IP of incoming transactions from the other node, but to get the exact IP, you need to be the first to receive broadcast of the trx. This is not possible. Unless you have a layer around the node that is sending. If you can build a layer there, then IP matching should not be a problem at all.

Well i think what he asked is multiple transaction sent to one address at the same time .

Tracking the addresses and identifying the user is what i think he wanted to find.

simple thing to do is to have every user filling the form to also add their btc address.

By the way Benson how are you proposing to find the IP. i did not quite get that.

By surrounding all nodes on the network and tracking where the coin was first sent from Cheesy

That is impossible to do you would need to log each and every node and keep track of every new nodes that come into the network. How can that be done ?

It can't be done, but here is some text that gets you thinking.

http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/7173/what-can-happen-if-when-a-node-is-surrounded-by-rogue-nodes

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Quote from: BTCIndia on December 25, 2013, 01:47:41 AM

subvolatil suggested: simple thing to do is to have every user filling the form to also add their btc address.

It is not possible to ask user to give their address in fill up form. I don't want to make them suspicious, by asking private information and wallet information at same time. This is not working for me!

You can simply give them unique bitcoin address to send.

If you want to use single address for all deposits than you are complicating lot of things. For an example, say two users claim simultaneously deposit of 1 BTC. You can ask them to prove ownership of sending address. But that thing is very complicated as sometimes user does not have control over sending address ( Like when they send it from some exchange or coinbase ). This is the model satoshidice using with big fat warning that you must control sending address.

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Quote from: BTCIndia on December 25, 2013, 01:47:41 AM

subvolatil suggested: simple thing to do is to have every user filling the form to also add their btc address.

It is not possible to ask user to give their address in fill up form. I don't want to make them suspicious, by asking private information and wallet information at same time. This is not working for me!

a btc address is not private information.

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subvolatil suggested: simple thing to do is to have every user filling the form to also add their btc address.

It is not possible to ask user to give their address in fill up form. I don't want to make them suspicious, by asking private information and wallet information at same time. This is not working for me!

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Quote from: Benson Samuel on December 25, 2013, 01:40:18 AM

Quote from: subvolatil on December 25, 2013, 12:57:48 AM

Quote from: Benson Samuel on December 25, 2013, 12:12:19 AM

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Nakamoto has somehow managed to make people sign up form with details. All he knows is those details that are send by user(Name, sex and age + IP). He neither knows their wallet number nor any other detail. What he wishes is- when a person sends 1 Bitcoin to his wallet, his database automatically updates so that he knows that Aman send 1 Bitcoin from that wallet, Bobby send 1 Bitcoin.. and blah blah blah. He wishes his database(Name, age, sex) to be automatically update with users wallet details. Is it possible?

I do believe that what you are looking for is a callback that talks to your database and makes an entry into the relevant database and then assigns a payto address as mentioned by buysellbitco.in. This will help you get close to A man

In the event that a callback is not passed and no unique address was generated, then there are ways to sniff the IP of incoming transactions from the other node, but to get the exact IP, you need to be the first to receive broadcast of the trx. This is not possible. Unless you have a layer around the node that is sending. If you can build a layer there, then IP matching should not be a problem at all.

Well i think what he asked is multiple transaction sent to one address at the same time .

Tracking the addresses and identifying the user is what i think he wanted to find.

simple thing to do is to have every user filling the form to also add their btc address.

By the way Benson how are you proposing to find the IP. i did not quite get that.

By surrounding all nodes on the network and tracking where the coin was first sent from Cheesy

That is impossible to do you would need to log each and every node and keep track of every new nodes that come into the network. How can that be done ?

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Quote from: subvolatil on December 25, 2013, 12:57:48 AM

Quote from: Benson Samuel on December 25, 2013, 12:12:19 AM

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Nakamoto has somehow managed to make people sign up form with details. All he knows is those details that are send by user(Name, sex and age + IP). He neither knows their wallet number nor any other detail. What he wishes is- when a person sends 1 Bitcoin to his wallet, his database automatically updates so that he knows that Aman send 1 Bitcoin from that wallet, Bobby send 1 Bitcoin.. and blah blah blah. He wishes his database(Name, age, sex) to be automatically update with users wallet details. Is it possible?

I do believe that what you are looking for is a callback that talks to your database and makes an entry into the relevant database and then assigns a payto address as mentioned by buysellbitco.in. This will help you get close to A man

In the event that a callback is not passed and no unique address was generated, then there are ways to sniff the IP of incoming transactions from the other node, but to get the exact IP, you need to be the first to receive broadcast of the trx. This is not possible. Unless you have a layer around the node that is sending. If you can build a layer there, then IP matching should not be a problem at all.

Well i think what he asked is multiple transaction sent to one address at the same time .

Tracking the addresses and identifying the user is what i think he wanted to find.

simple thing to do is to have every user filling the form to also add their btc address.

By the way Benson how are you proposing to find the IP. i did not quite get that.

By surrounding all nodes on the network and tracking where the coin was first sent from Cheesy

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I tried asking same to International Bitcoin Community in Bitcoin Forum > Bitcoin > Project Development
Following is the thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-following-possible-with-programming-383354

Well, I was able to understand a little bit from their technical discussion. See, if discussion might interest you. Someday, I'll discuss same project with you in person.

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Quote from: Benson Samuel on December 25, 2013, 12:12:19 AM

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Nakamoto has somehow managed to make people sign up form with details. All he knows is those details that are send by user(Name, sex and age + IP). He neither knows their wallet number nor any other detail. What he wishes is- when a person sends 1 Bitcoin to his wallet, his database automatically updates so that he knows that Aman send 1 Bitcoin from that wallet, Bobby send 1 Bitcoin.. and blah blah blah. He wishes his database(Name, age, sex) to be automatically update with users wallet details. Is it possible?

I do believe that what you are looking for is a callback that talks to your database and makes an entry into the relevant database and then assigns a payto address as mentioned by buysellbitco.in. This will help you get close to A man

In the event that a callback is not passed and no unique address was generated, then there are ways to sniff the IP of incoming transactions from the other node, but to get the exact IP, you need to be the first to receive broadcast of the trx. This is not possible. Unless you have a layer around the node that is sending. If you can build a layer there, then IP matching should not be a problem at all.

Well i think what he asked is multiple transaction sent to one address at the same time .

Tracking the addresses and identifying the user is what i think he wanted to find.

simple thing to do is to have every user filling the form to also add their btc address.

By the way Benson how are you proposing to find the IP. i did not quite get that.

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Nakamoto has somehow managed to make people sign up form with details. All he knows is those details that are send by user(Name, sex and age + IP). He neither knows their wallet number nor any other detail. What he wishes is- when a person sends 1 Bitcoin to his wallet, his database automatically updates so that he knows that Aman send 1 Bitcoin from that wallet, Bobby send 1 Bitcoin.. and blah blah blah. He wishes his database(Name, age, sex) to be automatically update with users wallet details. Is it possible?

I do believe that what you are looking for is a callback that talks to your database and makes an entry into the relevant database and then assigns a payto address as mentioned by buysellbitco.in. This will help you get close to A man

In the event that a callback is not passed and no unique address was generated, then there are ways to sniff the IP of incoming transactions from the other node, but to get the exact IP, you need to be the first to receive broadcast of the trx. This is not possible. Unless you have a layer around the node that is sending. If you can build a layer there, then IP matching should not be a problem at all.

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Quote from: BTCIndia on December 24, 2013, 10:21:20 AM

I tired asking following question to some techie during Mumbai conference but seems like he wasn't able to understand the question. I'm seeking help for people who understand's Bitcoin and programming.

Scenario: Aman, Bobby, Charlie and Davis sends 1 Bitcoin to our hypothetical receiver(say Nakamoto) at 2 O'clock 29 minutes and 30 milliseconds( at very same time). Nakamoto knows those, four people are registered by filling a form on his website and has their details(name,age,sex etc).

Aman, Male, 24
Bobby, Male 19
Charlie, Female, 22
Bobby, Male, 45
...And IP address if programming is capable of extracting IP without user's knowledge when he's busy filling up form.

Task: Nakamoto has somehow managed to make people sign up form with details. All he knows is those details that are send by user(Name, sex and age + IP). He neither knows their wallet number nor any other detail. What he wishes is- when a person sends 1 Bitcoin to his wallet, his database automatically updates so that he knows that Aman send 1 Bitcoin from that wallet, Bobby send 1 Bitcoin.. and blah blah blah. He wishes his database(Name, age, sex) to be automatically update with users wallet details. Is it possible?

What I think problem is:
1. All Bitcoin's are send at same time.
2. I don't know whether Bitcoin are 'fungible' or not.
3. If Aman registers today, login's next day and sends Bitcoin next day. Won't it create confusion?

Normally Satoshi should assign a unique bitcoin address to each of these users, and they can send it on that address. The case is very simple than.

On other hand if you want other users to provide their bitcoin address here, it is also fine. But in the case of dispute you will have to ask them to prove them that they actually owns private keys of that address.

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Firstly i dont know who you asked this question to but he should have been able to answer this question if he know jut a little about how bitcoin works.

Answer:--
Bitcoin uses the public ledger system to keep track of every transaction down to the last Satoshi.

the receiver would need to get the public address of the user when filling the form. the ip address would not be be seen by the receiver from the bitcoin transaction, ckz it p2p.

there are are ways to track the users of a specific address by doing comparative analysis of the ip logs and the transaction on the blockchain.

but the simplest way to do this is by having the user jut add the public address on the form.
the other was is to use a browser cookie to track the user and have a varying amount added to the bitcoin transaction. the amount being unique to other transaction would revel the users public address.

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I tired asking following question to some techie during Mumbai conference but seems like he wasn't able to understand the question. I'm seeking help for people who understand's Bitcoin and programming.

Scenario: Aman, Bobby, Charlie and Davis sends 1 Bitcoin to our hypothetical receiver(say Nakamoto) at 2 O'clock 29 minutes and 30 milliseconds( at very same time). Nakamoto knows those, four people are registered by filling a form on his website and has their details(name,age,sex etc).

Aman, Male, 24
Bobby, Male 19
Charlie, Female, 22
Bobby, Male, 45
...And IP address if programming is capable of extracting IP without user's knowledge when he's busy filling up form.

Task: Nakamoto has somehow managed to make people sign up form with details. All he knows is those details that are send by user(Name, sex and age + IP). He neither knows their wallet number nor any other detail. What he wishes is- when a person sends 1 Bitcoin to his wallet, his database automatically updates so that he knows that Aman send 1 Bitcoin from that wallet, Bobby send 1 Bitcoin.. and blah blah blah. He wishes his database(Name, age, sex) to be automatically update with users wallet details. Is it possible?

What I think problem is:
1. All Bitcoin's are send at same time.
2. I don't know whether Bitcoin are 'fungible' or not.
3. If Aman registers today, login's next day and sends Bitcoin next day. Won't it create confusion?

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