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Quote from: swogerino on June 27, 2023, 05:38:52 AM

I of course am extremely sorry for any loss of life but I was a bit surprised and I did not know what reaction to have at this saying being all over social media from a lot of religious people of many different religions and it made me think a lot,it put me truly in deep thinking and I kinda had a spark in my heart as how lucky we are to be still alive.

"The events happening with the billionaires and submarine lately is a powerful reminder to all of us that if God has decreed for you that you will die in the end of the ocean you will rent a submarine to arrive in time"

This phrase made truly think deeply as I said and I become numb every time I read it for a few moments.

I frankly don't think it's about being a billionaire. It's a curiosity, similar to the story where 12 boys trapped in a Thai cave. It's a story that sparks curiosity and interest the readers/viewers.
hundreds refugees drowning and victims of war drowning is just too sad and out of our spectrum what we can understand and feel.

That's why press loves to cover personal tragedies. Humans want to connect but also they want to avoid picturing something totally horrifying out of their emphatic capability. That's why people wants to read about war or tragedies from point of personal experiences. When enough people get killed, you don't really get that personal experience covering anything.

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I of course am extremely sorry for any loss of life but I was a bit surprised and I did not know what reaction to have at this saying being all over social media from a lot of religious people of many different religions and it made me think a lot,it put me truly in deep thinking and I kinda had a spark in my heart as how lucky we are to be still alive.

"The events happening with the billionaires and submarine lately is a powerful reminder to all of us that if God has decreed for you that you will die in the end of the ocean you will rent a submarine to arrive in time"

This phrase made truly think deeply as I said and I become numb every time I read it for a few moments.

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Quote from: Marykeller on June 26, 2023, 04:36:00 AM

At times, having too much money can be intoxicating, and being too curious can be fatal. I don't see why they would dig that deep to find something that isn't looking for them and even spend a significant amount of money doing it.

Would they have believed it if someone had informed them that the adventure they were about to go on would result in the end of their existence on Earth? Most people end up with this outcome when they are eager to learn and discover everything.

Some of them engage in expensive tourism and pay heavily for these explorations. But I don't blame them so much because they are explorers and to explore is a risky venture that can cost loss of life. I don't know the intentions of the passengers of the ill-fated OceanGate's Titan submersible for embarking on such a risky and expensive expedition. But I know that explorers discover new things and ways of doing things. There was a time when experiments on flying planes were seen as a needless risky adventures but today everybody is enjoying the services of airplanes. I know many explorers died in River Niger because they want to discover new lands in Africa. We are going to an era when man will be able to have safe and less expensive trips underwater and in space. People should be encouraged to explore the world but it should be done in a relatively safe manner. Companies should abide by the safety rules of regulators.

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April 1912 (Titanic) - "unsinkable ship"
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Both of them did not escape the tragedies in Atlantic. I think this ocean is the most expensive graveyard on Earth, since it took billionaire's life. Anyway, are you going to risk your life in a submersible ship without further research? Imagine a ship that is controllable by a PSP remote control and the worst it was a bluetooth device. You are paying 250K usd for a single trip with lots of risk, a bad decision for the billionaires.

Here is the picture of their navigation devise.

And did you know that Mr. Beast declined to join in this tragedic trip?

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YouTube’s richest creator MrBeast says he declined a spot on the doomed Titanic sub dive: ‘Kind of scary that I could have been on it’

I think he noticed the security and safety of the said ship.

Conclusion: They underestimated the depth and pressure of the ocean. They did not go throughout a standard operation. They wasted life, an expensive journey to death. Rest in peace billionaires. And let us also give peace to the souls that are now resting in a disastrous event in ocean.

Article for Mr. Beast: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2023/06/26/mrbeast-youtuber-declined-spot-titanic-titan-sub-implosion-oceangate-jimmy-donaldson/amp/

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The sad thing is the amount of money that was wasted to get a ticket! C'mon! $250k will go a long way to feed lots of displaced kids in Sudan and I'm sure If they wanted to go down in history as having achieved something great, that would have been a perfect medium but alas, greed got the better of them.

I agree with the notion of the world being heartless and hypocritical because of the manner at which much grief is felt over the loss of billionaires who carelessly traded their lives for a seemingly lost cause over the case of poor individuals who lose their lives on a daily trying to survive.

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Quote from: BADecker on June 24, 2023, 01:03:38 PM

That is mankind. Always trying to conquer the world or some aspect of it. Sometimes doing it carelessly.

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It cannot be stopped. I did see some footage of it with those first explorers, I think it was two or three groups that got to the sub first. The first group that I've seen did dive for a few meters but discontinued for some others. If someone is interested with that video, I just saw that on Facebook and likely it's also in YouTube. I just forgot the name of that content creator. While many keeps on doing things for their own sake and glory, this is a tragic way of exploring and getting into adventure not knowing what you'll be ending up.

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Humanity indeed is heading towards a wrong direction in the sense that what concerns the rich is a business of the rich and is always laudable..

It has been 100yrs now the world witnessed the "Titanic " disaster instead of extracting the damaged ship for the depths of the sea rather those at the top (government/elites) saw an economic opportunity in it by turning the scene of the incident into a tourist center.
You will agree with me that the said missing billionaires aren't the first to go on such tour but no one mentioned the name of the other tourists who must have gone missing before that of the billionaires because they didn't have a fat bank account no one brought their disappearance to the world but now it concerns the rich they couldn't hind it.

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At times, having too much money can be intoxicating, and being too curious can be fatal. I don't see why they would dig that deep to find something that isn't looking for them and even spend a significant amount of money doing it.

Would they have believed it if someone had informed them that the adventure they were about to go on would result in the end of their existence on Earth? Most people end up with this outcome when they are eager to learn and discover everything.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on June 25, 2023, 01:30:25 PM

From what I read, even prior that accident there was many red flags and security concerns on this ship and even some incidents before. But Titan operated in international waters and didn't had to follow any regulations. Otherwise, I doubt that someone would allowed to make this expedition.
But I think that all members of crew understood about risks and still decided to buy one way ticket for $250k. If to look for something positive, at least they didn't suffered as everything happened so fast that they didn't felt anything. Better than waiting until oxygen will run out..

The passengers were well aware of the risk involved in engaging in the exploration. It was reported that on the first page of the contract of exploration, death was mentioned three times. And the company will not be held liable in any case of accident, injury, or death. I had a water accident where I was drowning until I was luckily rescued, hence I know little about dying slowly. It is one of the most painful death and I have always wished to die swiftly. So it was a piece of relieving news to know that they died fast. May their souls rest in peace.

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Agree with some comments above about world reaction. People are such hypocrites - few billionaires died, yes, it's tragedy, but not something why whole world should mourn. While few weeks ago in Greece waters refugee ship sank, almost 80 people lost their lifes, but nobody gives a fuck about it.

Millions of dollars were spent to search for this submarine because the passengers were rich and from influential nations. But Greek officials acted without sympathy when the overloaded ship carrying these immigrants was in distress. No effort was made to rescue them until the ship began to sink and the majority of the occupants are either missing or dead. The world will never treat everybody equally. People from poor nations will continue to suffer discrimination.

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Quote from: Bananington on June 25, 2023, 04:08:40 PM

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But I think that all members of crew understood about risks and still decided to buy one way ticket for $250k.

A billionaires death! A death worth $250k. Poor men cannot die this death because poor people do not take this kind of unnecessary risk that rich people take. They knew the risk but did not know it was going to end in death else why will they want to end their life's unnecessarily, their sweet life filled with many financial benefits.

Their death will become a lesson, so other rich people will learn to act more cautiously with their life.

If I had that much money, at the very least I would have hired an engineer so he could have explained to me the basics on pressure and how much of it is down there in the resting place of the Titanic.

I think that this was one of those cases when ignorance causes the death of those who are not educated enough, if I was going to design a submarine I would use a security factor of no less than 5. On the other hand, these people seemed not even to know what the consequences were going to be if their little experiment went wrong, as it did.

Anyways, Rest in peace

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Quote from: LTU_btc on June 25, 2023, 01:30:25 PM

But I think that all members of crew understood about risks and still decided to buy one way ticket for $250k.

A billionaires death! A death worth $250k. Poor men cannot die this death because poor people do not take this kind of unnecessary risk that rich people take. They knew the risk but did not know it was going to end in death else why will they want to end their life's unnecessarily, their sweet life filled with many financial benefits.

Their death will become a lesson, so other rich people will learn to act more cautiously with their life.

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From what I read, even prior that accident there was many red flags and security concerns on this ship and even some incidents before. But Titan operated in international waters and didn't had to follow any regulations. Otherwise, I doubt that someone would allowed to make this expedition.
But I think that all members of crew understood about risks and still decided to buy one way ticket for $250k. If to look for something positive, at least they didn't suffered as everything happened so fast that they didn't felt anything. Better than waiting until oxygen will run out.
Agree with some comments above about world reaction. People are such hypocrites - few billionaires died, yes, it's tragedy, but not something why whole world should mourn. While few weeks ago in Greece waters refugee ship sank, almost 80 people lost their lifes, but nobody gives a fuck about it.

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^^^ Certification only has value if the certifiers are honest, and the certification methods are proper for the certification. But even if honesty and proper methods are used, there are still mistakes. Watch for the next implosion. Will it even make it into the news?

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Quote from: JeromeTash on June 24, 2023, 04:36:19 PM

Apparently there was some chap who had gone for the bottom ocean "tour" for more than 30 times if i recall well. Did he use the same vessel to carry out such expeditions or there were other, different, missions?

There are a number of vessels that are properly certified to operate at such depths, and by a curious coincidence none of those have ever imploded or suffered any other kind of fatal accident while exploring the Titanic wreck.

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Quote from: Riginac111 on June 23, 2023, 08:41:13 AM

I have asked this question before, the important of seeing wreck of titanic, does it have any advantages to the group of people who lost their live because of wreckage of titanic. If it's only seeing the wreck of Titanic we have seen it severally on a movie I don't know why we should waste such amount of money for hiring such submarine that take their lives

It's called Adventures. As silly as it might sound to you, it's what they want and enjoy. If people had a way to take a spaceship and head to the moo for a vacation they would. People said around the world in those days and discovered places. Whatever their reason for wanting to see the Titanic wreckage is their business. That is why I am indifferent about their death. I know it may be an insensitive thing to say but that's just how I feel. People die all the time from doing what can actually save lives.
These guys are a bunch of billionaires that are just looking for some fun, so if the fun didn't turn out great no one is to be blamed or held responsible for that.

I also love going on adventures for fun, so if one day in the future I decide to take a fun trip to the moon (don't know how possible that would be in the near future) and things go south, it's on me.

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Quote from: mindrust on June 23, 2023, 04:05:40 AM

A few billionaires died. Nobody should give a fuck but they do... Why? Because people are retards.

There are more important shit in life.

Whoever died there can go fuck himself.

Never have I ever seen a tragedy that some many people didn't give a fuck like the Titan Submarine disaster Grin

I have seen so many memes about this tragedy on Reddit and twitter. I guess it's an eye-opener to other billionaire assholes out there.

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Apparently there was some chap who had gone for the bottom ocean "tour" for more than 30 times if i recall well. Did he use the same vessel to carry out such expeditions or there were other, different, missions?

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It’s a real tragedy, lives lost needlessly in a vanity project. May they all rest in peace, I especially for sad for the loss of the young 19 year old boy, such a waste of life. I think people need to hold more respect for the ocean & Mother Nature, some places are just better left alone. We were not born on water, we should keep out, especially with projects like this which are far too risky.

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Quote from: o48o on June 23, 2023, 11:36:22 AM

So it's safe to say the man didn't know what he was doing in the first place.

He had an idea, but not a good idea, maybe his idea was mostly based on assumptions and not fact checking because without assuming that the walls of the submarine were strong enough for the kind of pressure, with some test and research, they would have been able to find out and make structural adjustments or replacement of materials used. I do not think the submarine was built in a hurry, they were just in a hurry to try it out after taking time to build it. If some more safety test and research were conducted, this would have been avoided.

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Quote from: mindrust on June 23, 2023, 04:05:40 AM

A few billionaires died. Nobody should give a fuck but they do... Why? Because people are retards.

There are more important shit in life.

Whoever died there can go fuck himself.

First, no one has the right to hold anyone accountable for what they do with their own money. These billionaires practiced a hobby of their own choosing and with their money, and they did not force anyone to follow them. From a moral point of view, no one can blame them just because he sees that hobby as trivial, or that there is something more important than it, according to his point of view. And if governments were organizing those dangerous journeys, perhaps they should be prosecuted.

Secondly, about paying attention to the causes of the death of that adventurous team. I think it is necessary to do so for two main reasons: The first reason is criminal in order to prove that the accident was not premeditated, which is what research must prove. The second reason is scientific because it is important to study the reasons that led to the submarine explosion and to avoid mistakes later.

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A submarine that can be controlled by an XBOX controller. Like these guys have entrusted their lives and are dependent on it, did they know that fact or it was hidden from the very start? Well, the vessel has been found, and said that no live had survived and obviously, no one will survive that depth of the ocean, you can't just go against nature at that deep. Rest in peace to all of them, they've got money and spent it on this adventure that they think they're interested in. Too many things to do with money but if I'm one of the billionaires there, I'll never do that. It's even said that it's easier to explore outerspace than the deepest of the oceans.

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The vessel looks like it was built by a university student for a school project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClkytJa0ghc&

Shoddy craftsmanship meant that after a few pressurization cycles this thing was bound to have structural issues. CEO was utterly delusional, took pride in this vessel being built like a piece of junk, as if it gave a rustic essence being assembled at the back of a hardware store. The company and CEO are responsible for all of this. Their death, including his own, are entirely on him. He gives me silicon valley "tech bro" impressions.

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Quote from: cabron on June 23, 2023, 10:26:47 AM

The news said debris was found but no bodies were found. I guess before their bodies could ever start going up, the creatures of the deep devour them already.

What bodies? It is impossible to overstate exactly how catastrophic this "catastrophic implosion" actually was. The pressure at that depth is 2.5 tonnes per square inch. A human body instantaneously subjected to such pressure is, frankly, not going to look like much (of anything) afterwards. The only good news is that we can quite confidently say they didn't suffer.

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To me that was a suicide mission, no one has ever gone to see the Titanic ship and return. It's a journey of no returns, and people still want to try, for nothing sake.

You think? There have been literally dozens of manned expeditions to the wreck of the Titanic since it was found in 1985.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wreck_of_the_Titanic

The film director, James Cameron, who also happens to be a passionate explorer of the deep sea, holds the record for visiting the wreck of the Titanic over 30 times. There's even a rather amusing tale of a couple getting married in a submersible on the bow section of the Titanic wreck, recreating the iconic scene from the famous 1997 movie.

Yep, i dunno why people make up mythic stories when they are easily verifiable.

But probably Cameron made that millionaire think he could do that on their own as well with more then questionable gear. Deep ocean diving shouldn't be taken lightly and given that they were using a cheap game controller for the sub, and rejected a pro military experienced personel because they weren't inspirational enough. So it's safe to say the man didn't know what he was doing in the first place.

I feel bad for the boy but they probably died fast, as when the pressure finally gave in, the implosion killed everyone instantly if they still were alive.

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Beyond the status of the crew of billionaires or whatever, It is kind of disturbing how easily any one of us could lose our life, because an accident or complete negligence by some engineers who were rushed to finish their job.

This news, for me is a reminder or how many accidents there are worldwide and affect the poor, who do not have as many possibilities to fully recover. And it is sad the only reason this incident is being reported all around the world is because the mythical nature of the titanic and the social position of those inside the vessel.

Let us be careful...

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Quote from: mindrust on June 23, 2023, 04:05:40 AM

A few billionaires died. Nobody should give a fuck but they do... Why? Because people are retards.

There are more important shit in life.

Whoever died there can go fuck himself.

Billionaires need to start spending money on normal things and not risk their lives unnecessarily. Getting on a submarine that has not been certified safe and controlled by a gamepad to go see a grave yard under the ocean is a very bad idea, let the souls of people that lost their lives there to rest.

Very bad for them, but the story is getting much attention because they are billionaires, if they were poor, no one would have cared.
I heard the 19 year old who lost his life was terrified of the trip, but did it to please his father.

God grant their families solace.

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Quote from: Lordhermes on June 23, 2023, 09:49:50 AM

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It's bad news for all of us, we could have heard a lot of good stories from those 5 people but instead it turned out to be a bad thing. We may not know what happened to them. Cry

Have you not heard all the stories about the Titanic and seen countless series and movies that have been made not that topic? I really can't imagine what new these people could say that could be of any use to anyone in any way.

As already written in one of the previous posts, it happened that one greedy company rented a submarine that was not certified to go so deep, all because no one cared about it because the Titanic wreck is in international waters. Even the U.S. Navy said it had detected an explosion at the time contact with the submarine was lost.

I have asked this question before, the important of seeing wreck of titanic, does it have any advantages to the group of people who lost their live because of wreckage of titanic. If it's only seeing the wreck of Titanic we have seen it severally on a movie I don't know why we should waste such amount of money for hiring such submarine that take their lives

people just like adventure,spend money for something that has no value to human race. To me that was a suicide mission, no one has ever gone to see the Titanic ship and return. It's a journey of no returns, and people still want to try, for nothing sake. There's no price for it, or are there any missing important things on the ship. Some People are just so low in thinking because they have the money and power.

Such mission should be discouraged, and banned.

The billionaire also brought his son and others to their death. What happens to their wealth now?
There is nothing to find in that Titanic shipwreck anymore. Harding by his profile, people saying he is up to discover things but those wrecks are nothing but piles of rust underwater.

The news said debris was found but no bodies were found. I guess before their bodies could ever start going up, the creatures of the deep devour them already.

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Quote from: Lordhermes on June 23, 2023, 09:49:50 AM

To me that was a suicide mission, no one has ever gone to see the Titanic ship and return. It's a journey of no returns, and people still want to try, for nothing sake.

You think? There have been literally dozens of manned expeditions to the wreck of the Titanic since it was found in 1985.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wreck_of_the_Titanic

The film director, James Cameron, who also happens to be a passionate explorer of the deep sea, holds the record for visiting the wreck of the Titanic over 30 times. There's even a rather amusing tale of a couple getting married in a submersible on the bow section of the Titanic wreck, recreating the iconic scene from the famous 1997 movie.

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Quote from: Lucius on June 23, 2023, 07:27:27 AM

Quote from: Xinarae* on June 23, 2023, 06:55:10 AM

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It's bad news for all of us, we could have heard a lot of good stories from those 5 people but instead it turned out to be a bad thing. We may not know what happened to them. Cry

Have you not heard all the stories about the Titanic and seen countless series and movies that have been made not that topic? I really can't imagine what new these people could say that could be of any use to anyone in any way.

As already written in one of the previous posts, it happened that one greedy company rented a submarine that was not certified to go so deep, all because no one cared about it because the Titanic wreck is in international waters. Even the U.S. Navy said it had detected an explosion at the time contact with the submarine was lost.

I have asked this question before, the important of seeing wreck of titanic, does it have any advantages to the group of people who lost their live because of wreckage of titanic. If it's only seeing the wreck of Titanic we have seen it severally on a movie I don't know why we should waste such amount of money for hiring such submarine that take their lives

people just like adventure,spend money for something that has no value to human race. To me that was a suicide mission, no one has ever gone to see the Titanic ship and return. It's a journey of no returns, and people still want to try, for nothing sake. There's no price for it, or are there any missing important things on the ship. Some People are just so low in thinking because they have the money and power.

Such mission should be discouraged, and banned.

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Quote from: Lucius on June 23, 2023, 07:27:27 AM

Quote from: Xinarae* on June 23, 2023, 06:55:10 AM

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It's bad news for all of us, we could have heard a lot of good stories from those 5 people but instead it turned out to be a bad thing. We may not know what happened to them. Cry

Have you not heard all the stories about the Titanic and seen countless series and movies that have been made not that topic? I really can't imagine what new these people could say that could be of any use to anyone in any way.

As already written in one of the previous posts, it happened that one greedy company rented a submarine that was not certified to go so deep, all because no one cared about it because the Titanic wreck is in international waters. Even the U.S. Navy said it had detected an explosion at the time contact with the submarine was lost.

I have asked this question before, the important of seeing wreck of titanic, does it have any advantages to the group of people who lost their live because of wreckage of titanic. If it's only seeing the wreck of Titanic we have seen it severally on a movie I don't know why we should waste such amount of money for hiring such submarine that take their lives

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Quote from: Xinarae* on June 23, 2023, 06:55:10 AM

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It's bad news for all of us, we could have heard a lot of good stories from those 5 people but instead it turned out to be a bad thing. We may not know what happened to them. Cry

Have you not heard all the stories about the Titanic and seen countless series and movies that have been made not that topic? I really can't imagine what new these people could say that could be of any use to anyone in any way.

As already written in one of the previous posts, it happened that one greedy company rented a submarine that was not certified to go so deep, all because no one cared about it because the Titanic wreck is in international waters. Even the U.S. Navy said it had detected an explosion at the time contact with the submarine was lost.

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Missing Titanic sub latest - James Cameron calls search a 'charade' after Navy detected implosion

It's bad news for all of us, we could have heard a lot of good stories from those 5 people but instead it turned out to be a bad thing. We may not know what happened to them. Cry

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Quote from: Riginac111 on June 23, 2023, 05:00:08 AM

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The Titan submersible is not missing,

titan wreckage is at the sea base of thirteen thousand fit, why what was missing at of Monday was the submarine.

Once the wreckage on the seabed is positively identified as belonging to a Titan submersible, it can no longer be considered missing. And, it wasn't a submarine. (I know, semantics. But it's an important piece of information).

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But i want know the benefit those legends want to see the wreckage of titanic for, is it for funny or it have any economic important to their life if assume they succeeded returning alive.

Just a couple of adrenaline junkies who couldn't find a better use for their $250k each. Nothing of significant importance, really.

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Quote from: Foxpup on June 23, 2023, 04:42:57 AM

The Titan submersible is not missing,

titan wreckage is at the sea base of thirteen thousand fit, why what was missing at of Monday was the submarine.

But i want know the benefit those legends want to see the wreckage of titanic for, is it for funny or it have any economic important to their life if assume they succeeded returning alive.

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The Titan submersible is not missing, the wreckage was located on Thursday 22 June and is consistent with a catastrophic implosion (which would have been instantly fatal to all on board). The implosion is, in turn, consistent with the submersible not being certified to operate at such extreme depths (such certification being deemed "unnecessary" due to her status as an experimental vessel) as well as poorly covered-up engineering reports that she could only withstand a maximum depth of 1,300 meters (versus the 3,800 meters she was expected to descend to).

Let this be a grim reminder that seaworthiness certification is not merely annoying red tape to be avoided by declaring your vessel to be "experimental"; safety regulations are written in blood.

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A few billionaires died. Nobody should give a fuck but they do... Why? Because people are retards.

There are more important shit in life.

Whoever died there can go fuck himself.

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On Sunday 18th June 2023 a billionaire British Hamish Harding (age =58 years) with the following, Paul Henri -Nargeolet, age ( 77 years), Shahzada Dawood age (48 years) with the son Suleman Dawood age (19 years) and Stockton Rush, age (61 years) got missing on a submarine on a process of a tour of viewing a wreckage of titanic, according to the information i obtain in television on Wednesday that they got missing because their submarine lacks oxygen, and they have not been found, another information speculating everywhere is that the submarine is been found close to the titanic wreckage which is thirteen fit above the sea level.

Topic: Submarine missing ^Titanic disaster 2023 (Read 347 times)