Topic: System of nMerit (Read 409 times)

I like the way you gave it a cool name unlike other who call it negative merits. However, it is not required because:

1) The power to punish should be on responsible hands only. Giving it to everyone will cause a lot of problems.

2) Some will start taking personal revenge.

3) It is already hard to rank up, we do not need it to be more difficult.

4) More work for moderators.

5) We should make rules simple.

6) It will cause a lot of problems in signature campaigns that require some earned merits.

7) Some may threat negative action and demand money for it.

I agree with you. Don't make the system have more complicated.

He hasn't put 'edit' through the Google translator, so he isn't sure what it means.

Even theymos think that having demerit system this early on applied to the merit system is not yet necessary. Also your kind of demerit system is different from what we are thinking, decreasing the overall merit is enough but having them be reported to moderators is a bit excessive to me. And I don't think that all Hero+ should have the right to give demerit, you can't imagine how others can abuse and bring down a person with this kind of system, mostly people with high ranking alts might use this to make a person's merit be 0.

Make me a source for nmerits, and I'll sort out stupid pricks like this. He can't even program his bot correctly.

@RAMSHIVDEEPAK Please man, you are already a jr.member with enough activity to be one of member, why the h you still make 2 posts in a row when the post can be combined? And you made it in 40 seconds gap.

I dont think,there is any need of nMerit,If you don't like the post,you have 2 option either ignore that post or report to the moderator.Current system of merit is enough to encourage the member to write quality post.

There is no system nMerit and it is a suggestion  of thread creator,that is useless.

If nMerit is implemented on bitcointalk there will be a topic created base on nMerit. 1.) How to avoid getting nMerit? 2.) What is nMerit? 3.) What is the purpose of nMerit? And other topics also base on nMerit that will flood the bitcointalk's meta section.

I agree with this one. Very simple and yet with common sense. Why bother creating a system about nMerit? If there are shitpost/spam post there is no need to give nMerit and just leave it there and let the people decide if it is meritable or not.

Yes, it has been implemented. You should make a thread about it asking how to avoid nMerits  But you will certainly get a bag full of it for creating another nMerit thread without reading FAQ first. 

Did you read this from the beginning?

That recommendation looks fair to me. It would be nice to have this nMerit to get rid of high ranks who are only spamming the forum and abusing the Merit system. I hope that the moderators will be hooked with this idea. If there is a ranking up system with the help of Merits, there should also have a rank downgrade because of their behavior.

You are missing the point of @actmyname. Many members can take the nMerit personally to other users and target users who they want to give those nMerits to.

Also, with current workload of moderators, they are busy as it is and adding more workload for them like reviewing the nMertis received by a specific member is not necessary.

I'm reading this negative merit topic and suddenly makes me laugh with this post  . I'm sorry but I can't stop myself from laughing. hahahahaha. Newbie posting some irrelevant posts in order to gain some post counts. One more, can you say what is the BTH??



P:S. I can't stop laughing now for around a minute or two because of this shitpost. Thank for making me laugh 

This has not been implemented and most definitely will not be implemented. Negative merit/demerits/anti-merit/fuckoffrit is detrimental to the already-abused system. Just as theymos said, let the merit abuse just be a rounding issue and it'll slowly die out. No need for anything more.

No, he is just suggesting again something that was already suggested a thousand times and is not a good idea for several reasons...

This is new system of bitcointalk? Have any announcement about this?

We should totally implement Nmerit.

Then we can see if the threads about how they didn't deserve Nmerit, can outnumber the "Merit system unfair to my newbie signature campaign" threads.

nMerit is not an option, why? because just in sMerit there are many abusers, so abusers will use this nMerit to abuse. Just think of sMerit as an upvote, do it need to have a downvote? I don't think so.

And nMerit is not the opposite of sMerit, because sMerit stands for sendable merit, so if you don't like the post then don't send, so there's no need for nMerit, there is a negative trust, no need for negative merit.

If this is introduced and adopted, it will bring to the end of this forum. Reasons being many users will abuse it and give nMerit based on their emotions or hatred for the second person. I feel it shouldn't be applied to the forum to maintain the little peace we have right no.

I definitely agree to their point.

First of all demerit was being proposed before and yes many have thought about it.
I personally think that demerit will be useful for the users who have alt accounts especially those who are giving beyond 5 merits but as actmyname said it is prone to abuse specially involving users with alts that commonly argue about moderators and merit sources go not being fair.
Demerit is like just leaving a negative feedback if they do not like someone made simpler.  

This is a bad idea, imagine one red trust Troll hero+ ( a lot of the are red trusted) what he can do...
Report all day for no reason and create moderation for fun.

If your rule was " only green trust hero+ can report", your overall idea was a lot better (but we don't need the "demerit" system) (imho)

nMerit is unnecessary. The forum will always be better with positive vibes.

We do not need that kind of negativity in the world. Yes, I meant world. The world already has enough hate and negativity, we need to work on diminishing that as much as possible. We have to spread love, not hate. This forum is considerably small compared with countries and big communities, but this is where we should start. We should start spreading love at the very nuclear, so that it can be spread at the very plenary.

Have you seen a "dislike" button on facebook, or a "least-liked" button on twitter? No, right?
Why do you think the developers never added them? In fact, this question has been asked to Mark Zuckerberg, CEO and coFounder of Facebook.
The facebook team stated that "the worry with a dislike button is that it would be used to bully or upset people, downvoting their posts as a way of being cruel to the people."
Instead of dislike buttons, they added like buttons with different emoji's (representing different emotions) such as anger, misery, overjoy, etc. And that's actually really sensible, as human's don't think in binary 0 and 1's. Instead of only like and dislike, they react with complex emotions towards many of events.

So no, there's no need for a negative merit, but if it's mandatory, expository merits can be a good idea. Imagine if you could merit and at the same time comment saying "Creative!", "Informative!", "Funny!", "Shows depth of knowledge!", etc.    


EDIT:

Exactly my point. We wrote at the same time  Facebook's like system is a great example for this.

There's no need for nMerit, imo. That's the same thing with facebooks Like system, if you don't like it, then don't like it. So if the post is bad and doesn't deserve merit, then don't merit. But if it;s a spam then report it.

It's an analog of the etherium, it's shameful not to know, I have invested in it since 2002, and have already made x0.2

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Hold!!! Where were these ETH and BTH?
I know exactly what happened. The mighty signature campaign LOL

What is a BTH by the way? Never heard of it  

Wow, really? Is this kind of sarcasm, or idiotic act, or bot in work? I dont know why but some people really do a great amusement nowadays.

I think both of them are good to invest. Eth and bth will get a great profit on long hold.

Undoubtedly, the system is working on improvements, but I repeat once again that the main idea is to take the Merit from people who simply do not deserve it, who got it when they just entered the system or simply by forbidden methods

Negative merit is prone to abuse. You either have to allow that abuse to occur or appoint more administrative actions towards it, which increases the already-high workload of moderators.

And at that point, you're making it subjective based on the moderator's perspective which has generally not been the case with rules (i.e. ponzis, scams, trust abuse, etc)

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Plus, you may get some wonkiness with users ranking up/down sporadically.

Right here ^^.  I don't think at this point we need any tweaks to the merit system, and what OP is suggesting is kind of a demerit system, which has been discussed before.  If a post is so bad that you think it deserves a demerit, you really should report it to the mods--and leave the merit system to slowly work its magic.  The only thing a demerit system would do is increase the number of threads in Meta by people bitching about how they lost merits.  There are already way too many topics about 1) How the system is flawed, 2) How to improve the system, 3) "I'm not earning any merits!", and 4) [Miscellaneous merit gripe].

Initially I would have supported something like a nMerit add-on, but I don't now.  I think it's unnecessary would add complexity where it isn't needed--and more work for the mods, probably.

Since the creators of the forum started a chip with a Merit, then need to continue it somehow. They can not just do it and leave it, they have to modernize it. And this is one of the options

Even though i like the idea on how to mark a bad post, i dont like the idea of negative merit. It would be easier if its just a dislike system, without a weight, but people can see all the person who dislikes it. Simple but if someone who is unbiased and smart dislike the post then we know that post is not that good.

Merit remains stagnant, in which case he can be divided into other people who really deserve it, perhaps this is the main goal of the nMerit

Why not just use "report to the moderator" link for posts.
Trust system is still there to aware the community for any violation.

And seems like you are trying to give more work for the moderators.

This message made me think about the fact that in addition to the current system of sMerit, there was also a system of negative merit.

What is nMerit?
If we do not go into more details, this is a system of lowering the Merit to one or another person for multiple violations, something like -Trust, but having significant differences, which I will discuss below.

Features of nMerit
1. Send it will be able to only people with the rank Hero and Legendary
2. After sending the nMerit, he will be sent for moderation.
3. The only exception, in which sending to the moderation is not required - is the simultaneous sending of 5 nMerits to 1 post.
4. After he passes the moderation, the amount of Merit in a person, to whom he was sent, will decrease by an amount equal to the amount nMerit
5. The disappeared Merit will be altered into a sMerit for the person who sent them.

You will say: "But there will be people who are specially grouped in order to take away a measure from a certain person" and you will be right, that's why the amount of merit will depend on:
1. For the help of a moderator or administrator - from 1 to 5 nMerit
2. For the creation of 10 posts, which collected 5 Merits - 5nMerit
3. For every 100 collected Merits - 10nMerits

The system requires considerable improvement, but I tried to convey to you the idea of how this can be realized. It will be interesting to discuss this below