Topic: Taliban are highly unlikely to change (Read 413 times)

Twitter is essentially a platform to spread far-left and Islamist viewpoints. They have banned right-wing users like Trump, but they are perfectly OK with terrorists such as Taliban, ISIS, Hamas and Hezbollah. And it will be foolish to expect Taliban to be any different from what they were in 1996-2001. There seems to be some internal differences within the Taliban. But these differences are not related to the interpretation of the Sharia law, but related to the clan and tribal representation. The left-wing has been trying really hard in the last few weeks to convince others that the new Taliban is "reformed Taliban" and different from the Taliban of 1996-01, but ground reports suggests that they have on the other hand become more brutal and repressive.

Talking about change, anyone that does not have the act or attribute of change is hard to see them do so.
From their reign in 1996-2001, they were all about abusing women's rights, so it's a means of getting people's minds calm before they show their real motive.
The same scenario is seen in our country Nigeria today which a government that brought untold hardship on the nation some years back still comes back and the same
attributes are exhibited also, so it's hard to change what you are, and I think time will surely tell.

I doubt they will change much though they have given us plenty of amusements these past weeks. Like when they were seen enjoying themselves in an amusement park and then they made a complete 180 and banned such entertainments, along music and stuff.

Something more amusing is that they have an official Twitter while Trump is banned from the platform.

I believe that change takes place from the moment the population fights for their rights, and that includes blood, sweat and tears. Currently, many women are unwilling to accept the regime imposed by the Taliban and many are willing to give their lives to earn their rights. Recently, a group of women took to the streets of Herat, the country's third-largest city, about 810 km west of Kabul; dressed in burkas and hijabs (Islamic veil) held up posters and shouted phrases in front of Taliban militiamen… “All of you must fight the Taliban. (…) It is our duty to have education, work and security! ”. Afghan women and girls fear that the Taliban will not allow them to go to school and work, and that is a setback for them.

 

Taliban militia observes unprecedented act of Afghan women in Herat for education and work: "Fear not, fear not, we are united!" - (credit: AFP)

Perhaps, but Christianity, Buddhism, and Hinduism have also experienced modernization, and most major societies that practice these religions have experienced secularization already. That does not apply to Islamic theocracies, and that especially does not apply to the Taliban. So, you can expect the most egregious and reprehensible practices to still originate from heavy Islamic regions. The moderate muslims do not live in Afghanistan, they already live in westernized societies.

Nor is it forbidden in Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism nor any other major religions 'Good Book's as far as I know. That is a cultural taboo - not a religious one.

https://twitter.com/CortesSteve/status/1433871654455816192

This is why nobody wants to take in Afghan refuges. Different value systems, no screening mechanisms involved, and the antithesis of westernized law.

According to the Quran, children marrying older man is not forbidden, and the Taliban's interpretation of the Quran is extreme and literal, meaning you can expect women to have their rights erased completely, LGBT members to be stoned to death, and small children being married off or sex trafficked.

I look at it on the one Bright Side of the situation: For the 1st time in hundreds of years, Afghanistan has a chance to run their own country (almost) anyway the Afghani's want to. For centuries Afghanistan has been called 'The Graveyard of Empires' because of so many other countries trying to either rule it or change it to suit their needs & ideology -- and every single country that has tried all met the same fate. Utter failure.

As for For most of the world those ideas are a fairly recent thing in Human history. In theory, ja they are a good thing. In practice, when a culture has historically never lived like that it often leads to chaos.

As long as the Taliban realize that they should not and cannot allow terrorists to use their country as a home base, works for me.

I think America got tired of losing billions of dollars in a senseless war for them to instill democracy in a country where the people themselves are between 2 sides,pro Western and ready for Democracy and pro Taliban ready for another way of guidance.Unfortunately this just shows that even if you are the greatest country in the world with the most powerful army you really cannot change people ideologies no matter how hard you try.Taliban is the regime which will soon close every tie with the Western Civilization like they have done in the past when they were in power 20-25 years ago.

They cannot change because they use a different source of morality/values. While the modern nations incorporate western values with human rights and stuff, Taliban only use their holy book as their guide.

I don't buy this as well
At least until there's a democratic election and free speech, at bare minimum.

That's the truth behind the whole thing, maintaining the victory is always where the problem lies. Being open about the press conferences is a mare declaration of the actual to come as, I don't believe any such good governance would come off a Taliban rule. It is a rule instilled by fear and when a people, a citizenry is held together by fear or force, your sure to experience revolt in time and this is what would become of the Taliban rule in time.

You can imagine a sole idea of a sole religion conjugate about this which is a direct hindrance to freedom and freewill. It doesn't tell so well for the well being of everyone, foreigners inclusive.

Russia strategy is not to protect or bring peace in Afghanistan, thermy are trying to play smart since America are out of business with the Taliban, Russia want to use this opportunity to build relationships with Taliban for the sake of their oil and resources. America did it for 20 years.

It is. I've just seen the most recent news about them talking in media while those weapons are on their arms being televized. Well, that's Taliban to the world.
They're making it look like they're good in front of the media but they can't even remove their weapons as if there's a mighty power in front of them that they shall fight.

It's crazy to see all the Taliban on social media now how they try to be open for Western country. In my opinion this is all show, they are mit trying to really change. The only thing they are trying to achieve at the moment is to project some kind of stability. Only if there is some kind of stability they will be able to keep getting international support and help. Especially the NGOs and health agencies are going a lot of work in Afghanistan.

Many are pessimistic, but not a few are optimistic that the Taliban has changed.  Russia even sees a "more pragmatic" face from the Taliban, unlike when they first came to power in 1996-2001.
The Taliban themselves seem to have learned from past experience that a pluralistic country like Afghanistan needs reconciliation and inclusivity to end divisions in order to unite and advance itself which is a much tougher task than a military expedition.
Because history proves winning the war is easier than maintaining the victory.  Britain, the Soviet Union and the US easily took control of Afghanistan but they could not manage the victory and were eventually forced to leave in a disgraceful manner.

We are human we cannot wish misfortune to any group of individuals even the Taliban because it is not a correct thought.

We have noticed that after the departure in Afghanistan of the citizens of the United States and Europe, Russia still maintains its embassy.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey through a phone call agreed to strengthen bilateral coordination on Afghan affairs.
Russia's strategy is to control the Taliban.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/putin-erdogan-agree-strengthen-coordination-afghan-issues-kremlin-2021-08-21/

I spoke literarily so to say, in a manner of expression anyway.

Don't you wish that too? Well, I believe every sensible person would want for the Talibans/terrorists to be wiped off the face of the earth by a pandemic of any type. If COVID can do it, that should be justice well served for peace lovers.

The Taliban are trying to establish a pure Muslim Shari'a state but in the wrong way, they will never change. political interests remain behind the Taliban


There are many who really hope for this, hopefully the Taliban will be destroyed by covid

On a conspiratorial note and theory I think that since these global entities like WHO and alike say that they are waiting for another variant to come or for another wave to come to me it comes the doubt that they themselves inflict it to these sensible cities you say and yes I know that a virus does have mutations but not of this caliber that is for sure.I find it funny too how the epidemic itself is being "discriminatory".

This is part of the reason one would say that even the epidemic itself is discriminatory. It should hit the Talibans and all other terrorist camps too like it's hitting sensible cities.

If you are basing your opinion on BBC and other western media then i have to say that you are totally blind in making any assumption about what is happening in Afghanistan. Just one suggestion, don't believe anything that comes out of the electronic media. Diversify your news receiving sources and then assume something.
About Taliban, i am not with them, i an not against them, i am just happy that a foreign occupational force has left the land of Afghanistan and the people of Afghanistan can now rule their country by themselves. Even if it is Taliban, still then they are the people of Afghanistan. so stop imposing your democracy on other nations please. Thanks

(Note: I am not afghani either)

For me what is funny is how US withdrew troops from Afghanistan and also the President in power there is said to have flee with a lot of money together with him and these actions led to the Talibans getting the country and governing the country right now.Guess who's fault is a I do not believe that some "wild people" like the Talibans with a Kalashnikov in their hands to win against the greatest army in the world which is US?

Of course now the Talibans will repress everyone,it is just a matter of time,they are already shooting in the international airport of Kabul and a few lives are already lost there.It is the US fault mostly but even US cannot continue forever to educate a country which does not want to be educated.It is just history repeating itself as always.Can't say nothing except sorry for the people trapped there under the Taliban oppressing regime.

the U.S mission was not to bring peace to the middle east. it was toprevent middle east terror from invading the U.S
the US went in to the middle east to deal with al-queda. where the U.S only seen the talibans failure as them not extraditing al-queda and not handing osama bin laden to the U.S.
later they found out that osama was actually in pakistan.

so U.S mission was not to do much with afghanistan 'peace process' as a couple years later the U.S moved out its main mission from afghanistan to other middle east countries as their 'war on terror' was needed elsewhere

the US pretty much had no big problems with the taliban. and instead was just using 'taliban' as a mouth piece for media as their reason to spend so much money.

there were ~2350 U.S troop losses .. but yea when a guy with a gun meets another guy with a gun. expect losses.
when you compare troop losses of the U.S to the troop losses of other countries (60,000) the U.S has not had much 'damage' to its defenses.

what america finally realised is that the taliban were not much of a threat. compared to al-queda. the taliban were around way before america invaded and would be around much longer. so america done a deal with the taliban to allow the taliban to take over unrestricted as long as they join the U.S effort to not let al-queda gain ground.
(this is factual details that has been public for over a year. trump signed off on it. its public knowledge)

as for charlee-tims account of the the BBC report on the womans experience of taliban treatment.
taking the report and asserting come calm, composed common sense logic.

media present taliban as extremists that if they just see a woman walking alone they would kill her in the streets..

yet reading her account.
a woman with no bullet proof vest and no chainmail jacket.. walked upto a taliban and got asked why is she alone. and guess what.. she was let through and survived without even a whip or shot(logical conclusion)

as for the 'they fired bullets into the air' well the queue for the airport is hundreds of thousands of people long. if the taliban were to rip off a dozen bullets into the air every time they seen a woman. they'd be out of bullets within the ahour

again she may have felt petrified due to how the past has propagandised things. where she may have heard horrific stories on the news. but her actual experience just a few days ago. was not an experience of actual terrorism or torture. so it seems the taliban have actually softened up compared to the stories portrayed over the last 20 years
(common sense) if the worsed interview they can find is a woman being asked why is she alone... it kinda sends a message that the real experience is not as bad as the one portrayed by headlines and propaganda

im not siding or fanning the taliban. i beleive there needs to be a proper organised election with proper experienced and willing candidates and a formation of a true government that wants peace..
.. but when media shout out terrorism and torture and unsanctioned take overs.... that is not really whats actually happening when you sit back and actually process the real things being said

the U.S agreed to let the taliban take over.

Why would they change? They believe their actions are condoned by their god and have just assumed control of their own country. What they're doing seems to be working just fine for them.

It's going to be a breeding ground for terrorists, a human farming to be exact.
They are already collecting data of girls and women that could bear a Taliban child. Women are just a child bearing machine for them.
Huge brainwashing. It's a vicious cycle of poverty, oppression and religious extremism. They won't let people learn or interact for the same reason.

Here's a reference video of what a Islamic teaching looks like (sky news)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW_7me1Nj7w

The taliban are unlikely to change as they are usually breaking their promises is creating inhumane behavior by creating various inequalities. The taliban bombings and other attacks responsible for civilian casualties have led to a massive increase in civilian casualties with civilian casualties most of which appear to have been deliberately carried out on civilians. They enacted a strict sharia law and then discrimination against them began and the population of hindus and sikhs declined at a very rapid rate the taliban have complicated everything.

Their country's rules, their religion's rules should come as no surprise because they have been taught sharia law since childhood, and this is the law the Taliban wants to enforce. Westerners have taken away Afghan women's customs and traditions, and most Afghan women now dress like Americans, forgetting that they are Muslims.

Women will to go school up to university level but in a separate school from the men


The Taliban aren't after money; they have an ideology that includes removing corrupt NATO and American officials from their mining sectors and lands so that they can rule their own people. According to the sources I've read, the Taliban made over $400 million from donations, drug trafficking, mining, and extortion between 2018 and 2019. If the Tliban desired money, they could take control of a $1 billion Afghanistan reserve and left

For the past 20 years, NATO and America have been their main source of cash, robbing from taxpayers to fund the Taliban in the pretense of fighting a war. The Americans only invade nations with oil in the name of democracy, from Afghanistan to Pakistan and Iraq.


The Taliban are not corrupt!!!

I'm waiting for the Taliban Covid variant to be announced.

You cannot expect uncivilized individual with no manners to act like a decent people. They have no mercy and their religion teaches them to kill other religion to please their god. They act like a pig and rape women like no mercy. If I have all the authority I will nuke them all.

Since it is a terrorist organization that does not respect human rights, it must be untrustworthy. No matter how wonderful their promises are. It will definitely not become a reality

But what are they going to do with more weapons? The more weapons and equipment they get, the less the will want to change. Giving money or weapons to the Taliban might keep them friendly for the short term, but long term it won't make a difference. Their idiology is very different from the rest of the world. There will always be tensions.

I don't think their aim is to acquire more money. If that was their main purpose for wanting power, they'd just set up a tin-pot dictator and suck up all of the nation's wealth and resources, like we see in so many struggling places around the world. The US alone spent around $2 trillion on the war, or to put it another way about $275 million per day for 20 years. If the Taliban could be bought off, it would have been done long before now, and at much lower financial cost, let alone human cost.

Everybody knows the Taliban wants more weapons, etc. They'll change as soon as they are offered more money for better quality poppies.

Infact another update came in this Sunday morning regarding how Christians there were been told openly with riffles on their heads to renounce Christianity  or they would be executed of which they later killed everyone of them brutally

I agree with you there are some reasons why they use them as their own and again they do everything they can to reach their goal. There is some complexity here. Since the Taliban has not yet announced a new government we will have to wait and see what action it takes in the future. It seems to me that the way they will form the government and the state system will be very different from the current world system so Taliban rule is very difficult to give a full opinion before forming a new government.

It is almost impossible for the Taliban to change, I live in an area full of Islamic groups so I have a good experience about the nature of their thinking, these Islamic extremists have a rigid mentality and a wrong understanding of Islam and their heads are like rocks that cannot be changed, they may change sometimes to reach their goals but soon They return to their true nature. Thinking about changing these Islamic extremists is like thinking about removing a mountain from its place. This is impossible. Their thinking is limited, their minds are rigid, and their hearts are hard as rock. They have no mercy, so I don't think they have changed and I don't think they will change one day.

Expose them and what? let karma do the talking? or are you willing travel back in time to right things before it happens?

In our world, there's no second chances. You must pick between choices before its too late. You can't just gamble everything and believe what will happen is what you want it to be.

Consider this hypothetical sequence of events:

1. A man who went on a killing spree with an assault rifle is released from jail.
2. He says 'Please can I have an assault rifle. I promise I won't kill anyone this time'.

Which of the below would you choose as point 3?
3. Refuse to give him the gun, or...
3. Give him the gun, and if he breaks his word and kills people, we'll complain about it afterwards.


This is the problem with taking the Taliban at their word. You can't just make everything right again afterwards.

Taliban already broken some of their promises which is they said people no need to worry and run away from the country because theybsaid peace has been returned but still they are killing people who are raising their voice or for carrying the actual Afghanistan flag. But there are some changes in the approach of Taliban as well because they are giving press conference without covering their fwce which never happened I guess.

But clearly they said, there will be no democracy rule in their land they will rule based on Sharia law.

I don't know why you are just showing the one face of the Taliban which they were in the past. You must read this also.
 Full article is here.
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/8/18/afghan-girls-return-to-school-in-herat-after-taliban-takeover

UN reports can be wrong because they are saying so they will fulfill their promises they should see if Taliban break any promise than the UN should make a report against them.
If they promise they will do that and stand with the other countries so all should give them a chance to grow.

Don't think what they were, think that what they will do?
If they do well so appreciate them. If they do wrong than you have right to expose them.

Full article: https://www.dawn.com/news/1641583

It is like the Taliban will not most likely fulfill some of their promises not to abuse women right, they are extremist, they suppressed women right when they were in power from 1996 to 2001 to the extent females were not allowed to go to school and also women were barred from public life. I just watched this video to see what a women says about her experience at the airport when questioned by Taliban militia


Also, Taliban leader says no revenge, but it has been reported that they are carrying out door-to door manhunt.




BBC News - Afghanistan: Taliban carrying out door-to door manhunt, report says
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58271797