Topic: Team member is scammer so whole project is scam? (Read 1063 times)

I think I should now lock this thread. Previously I said I will lock this thread but forget to do.
And please guys solve your problem @Parodium and @andulolika by own. Sorry is big. Peace.

common guys. this thread is about me..  
Go open your own threads you suckers.
 

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Edit: Death threat is a crime and should never be tolerated.

Let's increase the amount to much more than 0.01 BTC, do you think I care to win $50? How about 0.1 BTC? I did not photoshop or modify anything, the PMs are as shown.

We both know you're lying, so you won't follow up on this. Find a suitable DT member, put up the money and they can check our PMs.

Let's see I negative trust rate him, he photoshops or edit the html of a priv message and claims i threatened him, after that lie i just were honest and told him what i would do to him in that moment, I then get negative trustwd by lauda, I don't know what to think but more than that such a veteran member gets playes is that heshe might be part of the scam pump and dump and whatever the lil trust that user had meant since heshe came like that. I left negative rating for both.

Edit: im sober now id still do your throat if you wish, i was being honest accept it or not.
Edit2: lets put money into escrow for this, whichever of us lied losses, i has .01 btc sitting on localbitcoins

Please do this. I did not modify any images, you threatened to kill me completely unprovoked in PM. I offered a chance to redeem yourself, but then you threatened to kill me again.

https://gyazo.com/56ffa53ad6451d0fa8191ddd7e7aed0f

Edit: Getting off-topic, please keep all further death threats in PM.

Alright so this fucker tagged me with fake picture that i threatened him, i never done such thing however after i did warn him that i would slit his throat for this if i could, he tagged me aswell before saying tjay and proved he aint anything over a scammer, willing to hand my account to two trusted members under supervision to prove that the picture he has is modified (probably soon erased) and the real story of the messages could be seen.

Note: im drunk.

Yeah, I am also one of them (maybe) I am bounty participant too in his campaign. And you may know its hard to receive our bounty tokens, its like begging for money (our money).

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Locking this thread.

just go and tag if you want. That's why here I created the thread so DT members and investors/traders know about the project and their status. I don't know the real person behind the project but allowing unreputable member in the team is not good.

I see jamalaezaz many people complain and report jamalaezaz, scam btc transactions, etc.
As:

1. Topic: Reference topic: Why are these members excluded on trust lists?
2. Topic: To the attention of Mr. or Mr. Lauda. UNRESTED NEGATIVE TRUST.

All those who are passive about their bounty or transaction are more careful and alert.

I mean... Shitcoins... Most projects are scams, a member that was tagged as such and no one mentioning anything makes it pretty obvious. Also, really how many bitcoins we will get like this just to squeesh money of people. We i mean crypto people, if i had a pc i would of perhaps bothered to tag the team op minimum.

Honestly chances is too high where its pretty much clear to understand that if a project hire scammer as a team member then there's much possibility that other members have past record too. I always believe that committing scam or supporting scam is likely same. So if full team member don't bother to have a member on their team who have past scam record or couldn't able to investigate about that persons background properly then its fair to tag the entire thing.

As a crypto investor everyone wants to be on the safe zone before selecting a project for investment. So its quite easier for them to take decision if they find any single person of the existing project is a proven scammer.

They are already trading on Exchange but doesn't have a good market cap. And they are trying to apply on more exchanges.

I can only say that neither the coin trading on exchanges nor it having no ICO means the project is trustworthy. There have been many scam projects trading their coins on exchanges and still being scam. One such projects scammed me of $200 so talking from experience. Would usually avoid such projects. Why was the ANN locked?

If I or anyone from Bitcoin Air team ask anyone for any money for whatever reasons. that would mean it's a scam. or the person/source is phishing or an impersonator.  BitcoinAir is not an ICO or have any kind of investment programs.
everyone is responsible to protect his own money. do your proper research and make your move.
Trade/Buy Bitcoin(Air) and any other coins/tokens at your own risk.
if any (crypto) project owner claims that his project(coin/token) is 100% risk-free and offers high profit for your investment, means that is a scam.

Thank you.

Not necessary.
Sometimes team can't know the past and current reputation of people they work with.
 So if the project itself is OK no need to worry, I think.

Yes, it has been empirically proven that their claims are lies (i.e. impossible in practice).

Yes, also a scam.

Jamal is one of the founders of this scam. Had Jamal been one of the founders of Amazon, then it would very likely be a scam indeed (Amazon is a scam anyways, but that's a different discussion).

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You didn't choose the best examples for your defense.  

People buy and sell tokens on an exchange in anticipation of profit, people are free to do their research whether they believe an investment will generate profit or not.

Is IOTA a scam? It's currently -51% from its ICO price. What about Ontology? Also -50% from its ICO price.

The fact that Bitcoin Air has any value at all makes it worth infinitely more than zero. I could understand your concerns if people invested money into it, then it dumped on exchange, but simply trading on exchange is in no way an indication it is a scam, the logic you used is so flawed I can't even imagine why you'd say it.

Practically every single project with a token is listed on an exchange.

Total sell orders on Coinexchange.io are Total: 33495 XBA... A tiny fraction of the circulating supply. Or do you think that the co-founder only has 33,000 XBA and is trying to crash the market with $600 worth of coins?

Even if the founders decided to dump the entire supply on an exchange, it's a free market.

As I stated before, I find it highly unlikely the project is an overt scam, if it is then it's an absolute failure of a scam. The evidence provided in this thread is paper thin at best, could you imagine this taken to court? Since Jamal invested his money into this project, everything he touches must be a scam? Better hope he hasn't bought any Amazon shares or we're about to see one huge exit scam.

I am not sure how strongly you believe projects isn't scam and not involved with money. Are not they selling their coin/token on exchange? So from where came this coin/token on exchange. Obviously from team, the of course fund is going to team as well. Since team members/co-founder involved with scam previously how we believe him that he will not scam or he will not skip after sell his token/coin.

For your info, if just listed on exchange doesn't prove legitimate of any project's. Coin/token might be drop or delisted any time when team will skip or inactive. So there is huge chances of scam in my opinion.

Which is how this is usually done, no need to remind me.

You should not just tag all of them (Bounty hunters), warn them first before tagging them with negative feedback. They don't know if the project is a scam or not.

Frauds don't know how to set up a 'permanent secure location'.  Any coin with Bitcoin in its name, that isn't Bitcoin is a scam.

https://twitter.com/BitcoinAirXBA

https://www.bitcoinair.net/ site is down (at the moment?)
https://bitcoinair.org/ domain is for sale
https://twitter.com/BitcoinAirNews page doesn't exist

So where is project?

Please...

Generally, no. Not all team members are part of the core group of the project. Other members are acquired thru hiring.

But since it's Jamal, this is another case. His current status will surely affect the overall view of the project. Not digging yet into details but it's quiet obvious for all people here that any project involving Jamal should not be followed. It does mean that the project owners itself didn't do the right screening during the process of finding a team members unless Jamal itself is part of the core team or there are more "story under the table" we doesn't don't know yet.

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A simple action to create hype around a particular coin/token is already an attempt.

I understand your sentiments. You are a good bounty manager in my view. It's just that "it's Jamal".

That depends on his position in the team and what he can do and what he can't. Also, whether other members are aware of his shady past or not.

An untrustworthy member with elevated privileges can betray his team at any time. Many genuine projects got ruined because of an inside job.

Here is a link to Bitcoinair Linkedin page, to see the entire team listed click on "See all 17 employees on LinkedIn "

I'm not going to defend either Bitcoin Air or Jamal, based on the conversations I had with the team when I launched the bounty there was no reason to suspect it would be a scam. I know for a fact that Jamal's co-founder status relates to the fact he pumped a lot of money into the project, but had practically zero involvement from then on. Similarly, the actual operations and management of the project was handled by Anthony.

A community coin struggling to gain momentum shouldn't be called a scam in my opinion, otherwise, practically everybody trying to make something is a scammer.

I too think the same. He is much more involved with the project as you can see his LinkedIn profile where he states being an co-founder of BitcoinAir.



https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamal-aezaz-95b46b68

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I don't see how money is not involved here, yes they didn't had an ICO, but still people are buying there tokens on exchange.

BitcoinAir is already listed and trading on 3 exchanges:

XBA EXCHANGES
CoinExchange- https://www.coinexchange.io/market/XBA/BTC#
Livecoin- https://www.livecoin.net/en/trade/orderbook
Allcoin- https://www.allcoin.ca/fullscreen/xap2btc

As far as I am aware, the project is not a scam. No money has been raised and there have not been any attempts at fundraising either.

Based on my knowledge, Jamal simply financed the project, he does not have any involvement in its operations or even in the conception of the project.

Edit: ANN thread was closed on the request of Lauda, again, I do not believe the project is a scam since nobody has lost money over it except Jamal himself.

Happy to provide conversion logs if needed.

Look like website isn't working to me or I am missing something? However I found a archived link but there is no any team information. Question is how jamalaezaz involved with this project? He have just mentioned that he is from official team.

If I raised question that he is the one behind of this project then I don't think someone can prove me wrong since he is self admitted. Who know he is the one who is operating total project? It would be better if OP add more details why you are wondering this project is scam? Noticed from jamalaezaz tag he was involved with scam although I don't know much about him. So his past history is indicating there is risk of scam. And my personal opinion is jamalaezaz isn't only involved, he is the operator.

I figured as much. It is indeed a scam; I'm too busy to tag those who are promoting it as of this time. Soon^TM.

I'd tend to agree with that, but oh man....any project that jamalaezaz is attached to, I would think twice about being involved with.  He is one of the shadiest members I've come across here, and that's no exaggeration. 

But his involvement doesn't mean the project itself is a scam.  I think they obviously used bad judgement if they hired him to do something for the project--it isn't clear to me based on those posts what his involvement is--but I wouldn't call the project a scam just because jamalaezaz is part of it.  On the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me if it was.  Most of these projects in the ANN section are just garbage at best and outright scams at worst.

More details are here.
Project name: BitcoinAir (XBA)
Username: jamalaezaz
Here is bounty thread managed by Parodium: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/update-bitcoin-air-payments-as-light-as-air-1000000-xap-5043988
jamalaezaz is very much active on ANN Thread :
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50480330
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50451692
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46879981
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.47294945 and more

Listed on Exchange:
https://www.coinexchange.io/market/XBA/BTC (We have temporarily placed Bitcoin Air into the maintenance at the request of the developers.)
https://www.allcoin.com/trade/xap2ckusd
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50502737 (Applying for listing here)

Oh the irony in this post.

To be honest, a same team creating multiple scam projects just using same script and templates. But unfortunately we are unable to identify each although I had detected one few days ago.

According to OP, if scammer part of team then there is high chance that project would turned into scam eventually. It's not just my opinions, its previous experience and I believe most of members know that. So there is high risk of investment and they deserve red rag as warning for investors and hunters as well.

It would be better if OP like to share more details. So we cam realized the real case.

If a team member is a scammer, there is a high probability that all projects the person associated might be a scam. We would consider such project highly suspicious and must be investigated.
Here is one example of a couple that is involved in 8 projects and 4 of them are scams.

Did you mean that member was a scam campaign manager who participated as a member of another campaign and did not run the campaign?
What is the reason for - 20 negative trust? Is scam, selling accounts or something else?

Generally, no fire without smoke. If you are skeptical about any project and you have a strong motivation, post more about it here and stay away from investing/joining in that project.

What is the proof that he linked to that project if he is not managing the bounties.We can't conclude that project is scam just based on one person.

If he is part of the team then chances of it being a scammy project are very high. Heck, he could have even arranged the team himself  .
It's the company's responsibility to do due diligence on their Team members and see if they don't have any past fraud related wrong doing because after all, they are about to handle people's money.

If they can't even do a simple back ground check then they don't deserve to handle investors' funds. As long as that project appears here on bitcointalk where the said member has scammed bounty hunters before or promoted scam then the project should be brought on the spotlight.

Very likely. I'd probably tag the whole thing and everyone involved. One has to differentiante between someone with 1 negative rating and someone with many. In the case of the former, it is much less likely that the whole thing is a scam.

He claims he is "Team member of that project" he never says he is Bounty manager, I saw bounty was managed by someone else.  I think he is a member of the team with any position. I think bounty manager and team member is different. But don't know what he thinks.  

WIll update soon.

If he is a part of a team then the project might be a scam. Better disclose all so that anyone can see and give their opinion. If that is really scam then people will be able to stay away from that project. If he works as a bounty manager then still that is risky for the people who will take part in the campaign.

I would say that just because a team hired a manager with a bad reputation, does not mean their project itsself is a scam. The company who hired the manager may have been referred to the person, or may not have found them on bitcointalk period. Many companies may not know how the forum works either. They might not look at a users reputation or even know what any of it means.

It's entirely possible the project is a scam but not based on who they hired as a manager. The best thing to do is PM the company or companies in question and inform them of your concerns. Then go from there.

There is an old bounty manager who has more than 20 -negative feedbacks. And he claims that he is the part of the running project. So the project is a scam too or not?
Will share the link of both bounty manager and project ones someone senior member (reputable member) of forum clear this.


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Project name: BitcoinAir (XBA)
Username: jamalaezaz
Here is bounty thread managed by Parodium: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/update-bitcoin-air-payments-as-light-as-air-1000000-xap-5043988
jamalaezaz is very much active on ANN Thread :
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50480330
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50451692
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46879981
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.47294945 and more

Listed on Exchange:
https://www.coinexchange.io/market/XBA/BTC (We have temporarily placed Bitcoin Air into the maintenance at the request of the developers.)
https://www.allcoin.com/trade/xap2ckusd
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50502737 (Applying for listing here)