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Topic: Tech innovation outpacing regulation, the solution? (Read 1222 times)

legendary
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They got caught flat footed by bit coin. They still don't understand it.

Well we can only wait and see how that changes with time
It will be a fascinating bit of history to see how Sharia Law Common Law and and Civil Law apply to Bitcoin
One can argue that Bitcoin is the ultimate 0% no interest unit of lending the Arabs dream about  Grin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDXLT_tPWBo&feature=youtu.be&t=14m10s
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They got caught flat footed by bit coin. They still don't understand it.
legendary
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Hasn't tech innovation always outpaced regulation?
What is different this time is that btc is a threat to central authority in a more direct way than previous technology waves

True that is why they are trying to regulate the internet and by extension the innovation that it provides.
Not only because it allows people in different countries to communicate with one another but also because it affects the message that media stations want to send. That said it is an entirely different legal issue in its entirety.
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Hasn't tech innovation always outpaced regulation?
What is different this time is that btc is a threat to central authority in a more direct way than previous technology waves
legendary
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Technology is a complex system
Basically any innovation that can disrupt the pecking order of society takes a few years to change
Example people complaining about cars back in the 1900's because they were too noisy since they were used to a certain standard the same applies to legal systems.
That said the solution to this is complicated if we had accelerated laws people would complain they were not given enough input in the process, that said sometimes a business cannot operate with murky rules.
So having a forgiveness period or transition period in a no rule system towards one with rules seems like the best way to handle new technological changes.

Excellent points. Any change in the way regulation is implemented would either take decades of gradual change or a revolutionary overthrow of the current political process.

Where I disagree is in the input people could have with accelerated laws. I think there is the possibility for a simple (front-end) voting system based on technology similar to Bitcoin that would allow every member of a particular jurisdiction the ability to vote on any issue in which they had an interest. New regulations or amendments could be proposed by self regulatory organizations (SRO) or any other interested party.

The biggest dangers I can foresee in this model is that SROs would attempt to pass regulations that suit their capabilities but are very limiting for new start-up competitors. However, this is something that already happens within the current political sphere, and with this system, a rather simple appeal process could be implemented by new competitors. Another concern may be that they will propose regulations that are not stringent enough. This should be mitigated by the voting system, and in instances when it is not, then maybe there could be another body that can appeal regulations that pass, especially if problems arise. This may be in line with your "forgiveness period or transition period" idea.

I agree with your points, what I meant is that input would be decreased but not eliminated with an accelerated law.

We could take keystone XL as an example with the environmental review if I recall correctly around 300 speakers were applying for time and the court deciding to decrease that list to 30 with the qualification that only speakers with an economic interest in the project would be part of those hearings. Difference between a stakeholder and shareholder. That is not to say that there was not a large discussion on the topic but rather it was done to avoid hearing the same points repeated by too many people, and making the process even longer.

A system that sends colored bits has been in the works believe Agora is the example you are referring to about digital voting, allowing for citizens to create referendums and input into the system, as digital technologies improve so will the variety of ways individuals can discuss and provide input to governments to adopt certain policies. Perhaps an overthrow of the current political process in the making who knows.

That said governments tend to have coalitions and interest groups that try to influence and change policies in their favor, and there are problems in the division between Federal State/Provincial and Local laws and these can factor into how the law is applied in practice to technological changes, with Bitcoin examples are the regulatory framework New York is pushing through for Bitcoin and the debates in California Bill over the legalization of Bitcoin as just a few examples.

In legal areas the temptation to bribe someone to change the laws in a less corrupt country makes it difficult to see changes occur quickly due to the separation between the legal and political systems, so different countries would also apply different responses to technological shifts.

It is possible for a set of laws to be changed quickly to address loopholes in the law, but legal systems tend to take a conservative and slow approach before creating a new set of rules. The biggest concern with accelerated laws is that a government uses it to bypass all opposition and get something written into the book. Since history shows it becomes much more difficult to repeal a law than amend it once it is written into law.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/03/should-the-courts-be-allowed-to-repeal-obsolete-law/254454/

Regarding closing off the market to new competitors an accelerated process could hinder and damage technological innovation, examples I would consider would be the Samsung and Apple Lawsuits and patents filed to ensure that new entrants would have difficulty entering into the market. Also why liquidation of assets in the mobile sphere can become so valuable such as Nortel's proprietary patents.

That said sometimes the opposite happens and stagnation occurs examples including Internet providers in Canada being stuck between Telus Bell and Shaw and the mobile phone market being stuck in a monopoly status with new entrants finding difficulty establishing themselves.

It definitely is a complex issue, with more entrenchment as the technology grows and a lack of regulation when new entrants initially entering the market and experimenting with a new technology, finding that balance through committees etc and how long it takes to address a problem and develop a new framework is something needed in the digital age.
A change of the mechanisms by which laws are made for new developments.
hero member
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Technology is a complex system
Basically any innovation that can disrupt the pecking order of society takes a few years to change
Example people complaining about cars back in the 1900's because they were too noisy since they were used to a certain standard the same applies to legal systems.
That said the solution to this is complicated if we had accelerated laws people would complain they were not given enough input in the process, that said sometimes a business cannot operate with murky rules.
So having a forgiveness period or transition period in a no rule system towards one with rules seems like the best way to handle new technological changes.

Excellent points. Any change in the way regulation is implemented would either take decades of gradual change or a revolutionary overthrow of the current political process.

Where I disagree is in the input people could have with accelerated laws. I think there is the possibility for a simple (front-end) voting system based on technology similar to Bitcoin that would allow every member of a particular jurisdiction the ability to vote on any issue in which they had an interest. New regulations or ammendments could be proposed by self regulatory organizations (SRO) or any other interested party.

The biggest dangers I can foresee in this model is that SROs would attempt to pass regulations that suit their capabilities but are very limiting for new start-up competitors. However, this is something that already happens within the current political sphere, and with this system, a rather simple appeal process could be implemented by new competitors. Another concern may be that they will propose regulations that are not stringent enough. This should be mitigated by the voting system, and in instances when it is not, then maybe there could be another body that can appeal regulations that pass, especially if problems arise. This may be in line with your "forgiveness period or transition period" idea.
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I agree with everything you've said. The trump card is will people crack? Change is stressful.
legendary
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
Technology is a complex system
Basically any innovation that can disrupt the pecking order of society takes a few years to change
Example people complaining about cars back in the 1900's because they were too noisy since they were used to a certain standard the same applies to legal systems.
That said the solution to this is complicated if we had accelerated laws people would complain they were not given enough input in the process, that said sometimes a business cannot operate with murky rules.
So having a forgiveness period or transition period in a no rule system towards one with rules seems like the best way to handle new technological changes.
hero member
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I tried to find it, but could not - do you have a link to the video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmExLsqQYEw&feature=youtu.be

Jeffrey Alberts speaks at 4:30 and 9:35.
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I tried to find it, but could not - do you have a link to the video?
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The problem is, there's a balance to be struck with any new technology.  If the driverless cars start driving people over cliffs, then clearly there's going to be some complaints about not having enough regulation to make it safe.  If autonomous drones start drifting into known flight paths and getting sucked into plane engines, there's going to be some (quite literal) fallout there too.  Progress has to be tempered at times to make sure we're actually progressing in the right direction without creating new problems.

I'm not suggesting Bitcoin should be regulated, but at the same time, it is still highly experimental and there's a few issues to iron out before it's ready for the entire planet to dive in and start using it.  These things will take time.  It's best to allow it to grow naturally and prove it can cope with any legislative environment, hostile regulations or otherwise, rather than worrying about it being held back.

I agree that Bitcoin is not ready for the entire planet to start using it as a daily means of transaction. I also agree that drones and autonomous cars require rather stringent regulation. The question I mean to focus on, is how the regulation can be brought about more efficiently and effectively. For instance, bitcoin exchanges already exist. They just choose to either operate under rules that they hope will satisfy whatever regulations they assume will be applied to them (in the case of Bitstamp, rather overzealously) or they choose to operate with absolute disregard for regulation (BTC-E). Bitcoin requires exchanges. We are ultimately left with two poor options, because reputable companies will not go into business without a well defined regulatory path that makes sense, and bureaucracy is too slow to find a solution that makes sense in a reasonable time frame. Therefore, we find ourselves at the perils of companies like Mt. Gox.

It is not beyond realistic means to devise a regulatory scheme for bitcoin (or autonomous cars or drone delivery bots) that makes sense within a fraction of the time that is being so casually taken, IF the bureaucracy of these archaic institutions was not so limiting. When everything moved at the pace of your telephone, newspaper, and television, it worked ok. Now, we have better systems that can allow regulation to be implemented in much more efficient ways which I believe will be necessary if regulation is to keep up with the telescoping pace of innovation. I believe the successful regulation of a consistently complexing society will require a transformation. and the tools (internet, encryption, and distributed consensus) and systems (democracy and self regulatory organizations) necessary for a paradigm shift in the way that we implement regulations already exist. I'm rather sure that there will be a transformation within my lifetime. I'm rather unsure of what that new system will look like, and this is where I was hoping to get some other opinions.
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I watched a video today, in which former assistant U.S. attorney general Jeffrey Alberts clearly has no idea what securing a contract via the Bitcoin protocol would even begin to look like, yet it doesn't stop him from mentioning it. And we see this quite often amongst regulators. They are becoming bombarded with huge technological leaps that they just don't have the capacity to understand.

Regulators are so far behind the curve of technology it's hindering the progress of society. As individuals we don't have to wait for permission, but large companies do. Improper regulation and confusion in how to regulate is the reason we haven't seen an influx of well-funded Bitcoin exchanges.

Look at Google and Amazon's new big projects. Fully autonomous cars and drone delivery service, respectively. They are both ready to launch, however, due to the complexities, or yet I should say bureaucracies, of regulation, neither will probably be released for at least 5 years. I believe there will be a time (relatively soon) when this current form of government restricts the pace of innovation to a breaking point, where a paradigm shift is necessary for the ways that we as a society implement regulations. I believe distributed consensus could offer a potential solution, along with self-regulated industries.

What do you think?

The problem is, there's a balance to be struck with any new technology.  If the driverless cars start driving people over cliffs, then clearly there's going to be some complaints about not having enough regulation to make it safe.  If autonomous drones start drifting into known flight paths and getting sucked into plane engines, there's going to be some (quite literal) fallout there too.  Progress has to be tempered at times to make sure we're actually progressing in the right direction without creating new problems.

I'm not suggesting Bitcoin should be regulated, but at the same time, it is still highly experimental and there's a few issues to iron out before it's ready for the entire planet to dive in and start using it.  These things will take time.  It's best to allow it to grow naturally and prove it can cope with any legislative environment, hostile regulations or otherwise, rather than worrying about it being held back.
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I watched a video today, in which former assistant U.S. attorney general Jeffrey Alberts clearly has no idea what securing a contract via the Bitcoin protocol would even begin to look like, yet it doesn't stop him from mentioning it. And we see this quite often amongst regulators. They are becoming bombarded with huge technological leaps that they just don't have the capacity to understand.

Regulators are so far behind the curve of technology it's hindering the progress of society. As individuals we don't have to wait for permission, but large companies do. Improper regulation and confusion in how to regulate is the reason we haven't seen an influx of well-funded Bitcoin exchanges.

Look at Google and Amazon's new big projects. Fully autonomous cars and drone delivery service, respectively. They are both ready to launch, however, due to the complexities, or yet I should say bureaucracies, of regulation, neither will probably be released for at least 5 years. I believe there will be a time (relatively soon) when this current form of government restricts the pace of innovation to a breaking point, where a paradigm shift is necessary for the ways that we as a society implement regulations. I believe distributed consensus could offer a potential solution, along with self-regulated industries.

What do you think?

Good!

I hope they stay confused because the more "regulation" we have by government, the worse off we are!
hero member
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I watched a video today, in which former assistant U.S. attorney general Jeffrey Alberts clearly has no idea what securing a contract via the Bitcoin protocol would even begin to look like, yet it doesn't stop him from mentioning it. And we see this quite often amongst regulators. They are becoming bombarded with huge technological leaps that they just don't have the capacity to understand.

Regulators are so far behind the curve of technology it's hindering the progress of society. As individuals we don't have to wait for permission, but large companies do. Improper regulation and confusion in how to regulate is the reason we haven't seen an influx of well-funded Bitcoin exchanges.

Look at Google and Amazon's new big projects. Fully autonomous cars and drone delivery service, respectively. They are both ready to launch, however, due to the complexities, or yet I should say bureaucracies, of regulation, neither will probably be released for at least 5 years. I believe there will be a time (relatively soon) when this current form of government restricts the pace of innovation to a breaking point, where a paradigm shift is necessary for the ways that we as a society implement regulations. I believe distributed consensus could offer a potential solution, along with self-regulated industries.

What do you think?
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