[Terms of Service Violation] Using NETELLER to exchange BTCs

Mickeyb

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Move On !!!!!!

Quote from: BitNow on October 20, 2015, 10:04:29 AM

Quote from: shorena on October 20, 2015, 09:55:56 AM

Same as with PayPal, violate the ToS and hope for the "best".

How do services like Coinmal (https://www.coinimal.com) have NETELLER has payment method?

You cannot do business if you violate ToS, in that case your business won't last more than a month.

Don't they just accept credit cards through Neteller? At least that's what I understood that Coinimal does with Neteller, since they are the only one working with the Neteller. Then again I might be wrong about my assumption.

About the TOS and PayPal and Neteller. Yes, in their TOS it's specifically forbidden to trade cryptos. That's why the accounts of the owners that admit trading cryptocurrencies are very often closed.

BitNow

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Quote from: shorena on October 20, 2015, 11:08:12 AM

Me neither.

Than think that they are not contracting each other: they are breaking their own laws.

We win.

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shorena

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Quote from: BitNow on October 20, 2015, 10:58:57 AM

Quote from: shorena on October 20, 2015, 10:53:02 AM

Terms of service agreements are not laws, they are just a contract you as a customer (freely) enter with the company. The difference between you and another company is that they are not willing to make a custom contract for you. They might not even do so for another company if they consider the other party insignificant. If you are however big enough, they will kiss your feet just to do business with you. E.g. amazon gets logistics hubs build for several million EUR next to their warehouses just so the logistics company can seal the deal with them. I dont think any logistics company would build a drop of point next to your door for you, no matter how many parcels you send as a private person.

I don't like being called insignificant.

Thank You for explanation.

Best regards.

Me neither.

BitNow

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Quote from: shorena on October 20, 2015, 10:53:02 AM

Terms of service agreements are not laws, they are just a contract you as a customer (freely) enter with the company. The difference between you and another company is that they are not willing to make a custom contract for you. They might not even do so for another company if they consider the other party insignificant. If you are however big enough, they will kiss your feet just to do business with you. E.g. amazon gets logistics hubs build for several million EUR next to their warehouses just so the logistics company can seal the deal with them. I dont think any logistics company would build a drop of point next to your door for you, no matter how many parcels you send as a private person.

I don't like being called insignificant.

Thank You for explanation.

Best regards.

shorena

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No I dont escrow anymore.

Quote from: BitNow on October 20, 2015, 10:44:55 AM

Quote from: shorena on October 20, 2015, 10:41:12 AM

I would think that companies do not comply with other companies ToS, they just set up a contract with eachother.

So: doing business permits to avoid Law?

Best regards.

Terms of service agreements are not laws, they are just a contract you as a customer (freely) enter with the company. The difference between you and another company is that they are not willing to make a custom contract for you. They might not even do so for another company if they consider the other party insignificant. If you are however big enough, they will kiss your feet just to do business with you. E.g. amazon gets logistics hubs build for several million EUR next to their warehouses just so the logistics company can seal the deal with them. I dont think any logistics company would build a drop of point next to your door for you, no matter how many parcels you send as a private person.

BitNow

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Quote from: shorena on October 20, 2015, 10:41:12 AM

I would think that companies do not comply with other companies ToS, they just set up a contract with eachother.

So: doing business permits to avoid Law?

"Corruption."

Best regards.

shorena

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No I dont escrow anymore.

Quote from: BitNow on October 20, 2015, 10:04:29 AM

Quote from: shorena on October 20, 2015, 09:55:56 AM

Same as with PayPal, violate the ToS and hope for the "best".

How do services like Coinmal (https://www.coinimal.com) have NETELLER has payment method?

You cannot do business if you violate ToS, in that case your business won't last more than a month.

I would think that companies do not comply with other companies ToS, they just set up a contract with eachother.

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Quote from: BitNow on October 20, 2015, 10:04:29 AM

Quote from: shorena on October 20, 2015, 09:55:56 AM

Same as with PayPal, violate the ToS and hope for the "best".

How do services like Coinmal (https://www.coinimal.com) have NETELLER has payment method?

You cannot do business if you violate ToS, in that case your business won't last more than a month.

Seems you already got your answer: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12737967 . Although I wouldn't be too sure on it.

BitNow

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Quote from: shorena on October 20, 2015, 09:55:56 AM

Same as with PayPal, violate the ToS and hope for the "best".

How do services like Coinmal (https://www.coinimal.com) have NETELLER has payment method?

You cannot do business if you violate ToS, in that case your business won't last more than a month.

shorena

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No I dont escrow anymore.

Same as with PayPal, violate the ToS and hope for the "best".

BitNow

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Good afternoon,
NETELLER doesn't allow to trade BTCs:

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12. ACCOUNT RESTRICTIONS,
12.1 You agree to use your Account in accordance with the provisions of these Terms of Use and any other instruction we may reasonably give you regarding the use of the NETELLER Service. You agree and acknowledge that you are prohibited from: using the NETELLER Service for any Prohibited Transaction;

“Prohibited Transaction” means any of the following types of transactions: (i) any pyramid selling, ponzi schemes or similar multi-level marketing, or matrix programs or other “get rich quick” schemes or high yield investment programs; (ii) the sale or supply of any illegal items or items which encourage or facilitate illegal activities; (iii) the sale or supply of counterfeit products; (iv) third party processing or payment aggregation products or services; (v) using NETELLER to facilitate the trade, exchange, purchase or sale of Bitcoins, or any other virtual currency. We reserve the right, in our sole discretion, to add categories of prohibited transactions by adding such categories either to these Terms of Use or an acceptable use policy published on the Website;

How do people trade BTC with NETELLER?

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