Topic: Testing a vaccine against a low risk virus. (Read 477 times)

for seasonal flu thats been around for year. peoples immune systems learn defenses and one of them eventually is a mucus reaction. yep your mucus reaction is when your immune system knows its sensed something it does not like.

covid however is not old.. its new. your body doesnt recognise the strain so wont trigger the early defense of mucus.

having a wet mouth wont reduce the risk..
inhaling the virus is air that goes into lungs..
washing your mouth is advice about bacteria attached to food and your gums..
where the advice is to spit out the water(rinse and spit). not rinse and swallow

covid is a respiratory virus. not a mouth bateria

with covid. the initial symptoms are fever cough and loss of smell/taste
in laymans terms.. no snot or saliva increase.
peoples coughs are chesty cough and itchy throats..
peoples coughs are not flemmy build up of saliva

peoples nose issues are not snot or sneezing
peoples nose issues are dry irritated/loss of sense

meaning covid is not naturally defended against using mucus because your body doesnt recognise covid.
covid is new last year. people havnt had it before for their body to learn how to defend ready for second season

Just go to a hospital. You will see low-risk in action by yourself and you can stress-test your own "mucus" theory. A cat like you should be able to sneak by the back door.

I believe that the results from the experiments will not be completely true. The vaccine might be given the praise that the immune system is suppose to be given. Many friends of mine experienced one or two symptoms of the virus covid (Some mostly reporting a loss in smell and taste) something that they have never experienced in their lives, many did not visit a hospital to get tested or quarantined, they simply stayed home, ate well and took a few medications (mostly vitamins). After some few days, their senses of smell and taste returned. It is safe to say that alot have developed immunity on their own, and simply testing their vaccine on healthy individuals like this might not give a complete and thorough evaluation of the drug (vaccine).

That's right. They will not test the new vaccine on old, sick people. And besides, who will agree to testing with weak immunity. They will test healthy people, and, depending on the results, will decide what to do next.

tell that to people getting sick because they frequent places that primarily sell drinks
covid is a novel virus. meaning new. meaning your body has not seen it before to know it needs to activate your snot glands before damage is done. meaning you cant rely on your mucus to save you if you are trying to infer that in your mind the mucociliary clearance as the snotty nose first defense


mucocilliary clearance is more the cleanup, after the damage.
which covid is different to flu because it seems to inhibit the repair systems after. hense the long covid

its not a 48hour flu and then fine experience

If you stay hydrated, then mucociliary clearance should handle that.

It isn't the COVID itself that's killing people, but the shit that they inhale when their lung immune system is busy fighting covid cells.

it about do no harm. the very same reason why no country has yet to revoke the ethical clause that prevents trial participants to then be injected/inhale the actual virus a few months after vaccination to see how effective it is in a short trial time period

take it another way. imagine a certain group of people feared swimming or were prone to easily drown.
and science found a new water substance that was more buoyant than normal water. they would first test it on confident swimmers to see if it actually is more buoyant. they would prefer expert swimmer that can describe the experience in better detail and be more critical. making sure it offers greater safety for swimmers.. before letting the at risk group try it.
EG chaffing and wrinkly skin is normal. but to an inexperienced swimmer they would say its a fault with the test water solution, thus create issues with accurate reporting.

where atrisk groups with age and medical conditions would be more complainy about small things thus not offer good reliable circumstantial/consequential review of the science.
EG having gout for 10 years but not telling a doctor.  then have a vaccine and suddenly start talking about their gout and their 25yo autistic child. and start thinking the vaccine caused it

so picking a group which are reliable and more honest helps get better results.
teachers and doctors are offered participation in trials for all of them reasons, especially the better reliability of reporting.and also they are more prone to then be in contact with larger groups of random people to then get natural infections through their daily life without having to be injected/inhaling the actual virus on purpose

the intermediate results of if the vaccine has caused any adverse reactions come out soon for a few trials. but thats just about if the vaccine is bad in of itself
the parts about if it can protect against covid wont really begin until 2021+
so they may expand the participation group to include more random people of different ages/backgrounds once they know the vaccine is deemed safe(even before its deemed effective)

trump wants to use this intermediary safety report as the excuse to put millions of people into participation before christmas. pretending the lack of vaccine adverse reaction is proof of protection/effectiveness against covid(facepalm)

i personally would rather wait until next july/october when the results of if the vaccine actually protects against covid come out
as for the UK wanting permission to be exempt from the clause preventing actually giving people the covid virus on purpose in a lab condition. this may speed results of effectiveness up by 5-6 months.
this is a small trial on under 100 people, and im not sure they will get such permission without offering the best care they can if such trial participants did get sick due to lack of effectiveness.
usually there would need to be good medical treatments that can nearly guarantee survival to grant permission of harming people on purpose

Upon seeing this particular sentence, I'm heat with the reality that Mr. Trump and some other top officers at the white house was confirmed positive and specifically, Mr. Trump is said to have recovered and contermination free, the status of the rest, I don't know. With this in mind and the fact that, your statement confirms that, the virus was targeted at certain age grade of which I can only assumed for possible elimination purposes, Mr. Trump is still living and healthy at that. I believe, his immune system should be less active although, his got some of the best or the best medical practioners to see him through that but then, I'll maintain the fact that, it wasn't targeted at any one or though, I won't dispute it's possibility.

But then, it really doesn't make sense that the age grade of which the virus affects is not being used for testing of the vaccine. Using the healthy youths to test for the potency of a vaccine against a virus that is lethal to mainly the aged and people with certain respiratory health complications would just create a bias in determining it's potency.

if boris wanted to push a untested vaccine to save him some treasury money. he would have done it in april
the reason it was not released in april-june is because they went through phase 1 tests. then it again wasnt released in july-october because of phase2 and now phase 3 tests.. so that instantly debunks your 'inadequately tested vaccine' theory

the reason why they are doing tests is because they are testing people.
the only reason why phase1,2,3 happen in rapid succession is because instead of testing for 3months and then messing around for 6 months having meetings about checking reports and questioning participants. is because they instead kept in contact with participants DURING the phases. meaning that with regular checking within phases and efficient reporting in days instead of months. they could move onto the next stage

meaning people are tested and they are checked on regularly throughout the tests, rather than waiting till the end and then messing around for months

it seems your misinformation thinks no one is being checked on and tested.. which is a failure on your part to actually seek information. because in your view 'you had enough' .. maybe if you stopped getting your info from scammy culty conspiracy sites you would not be bored of the misinformation. by actually researching proper sources you would have got proper information.

I can't find it either now, so I guess it has been removed from the net. I'll watch out for a reference, although I'm getting a bit bored with the Corona misinformation  that is being pushed. You can see what the global agenda is by the way Boris Johnson is pushing the inadequately tested Oxford vaccine, and the way sick people are being turned away from the NHS hospitals to keep wards empty for a non-existent increase in Covid hospital requirements. They should be treating Cancer, heart disease, sick children, and other regular illnesses, and not supporting the extremely destructive Corina virus vaccine sales programme. It will take a few years for the real crippling effects of such a vaccine to become apparent, and start to require increased hospitalisation and medical care.

there is a step by step process
i shown you the studies that show that centrifuges are used in the process i shown you that it passed the koch rivers and bell.. as both of those were your requirements.
i even shown you the studies that show the specimen both as a chemical study and a microscope study. i also shown you the studies on the blood mucus and even lung fluids. heck even studies on the xrays and MRI. then there are examples of doctors reports showing the symptomology.. and i even asked you to show me where does it say anything to do with anything else but the known symptomology linked to covid.

but even after many months of linking you many things. you become ignorant and forgetful and then say 'show me the proof' again, hoping that when i stop retracing the evidence over and over again you can then falsely pretend there is no evidence because of the one or two times i give up linking you it.

that is your ignorance problem. the evidence exists, its out there. your unwillingness to review it is on you. no one else

so do yourself one favour. even admit to yourself you are willing to learn about the virus and dedicate your concentration span to be willing to learn. or. continue not wanting to learn about the virus and find a new topic to distract yourself.

in short. if you dont want to learn. dont ask about a subject you have no intent on being involved in

They didn't prove it - polio. All they proved was that they were better talkers, and that their talk was a bit more complex in directions the doctor didn't think of.

You still haven't shown any proof for Covid, in the way that can be accepted as step-by-step proof process. You only talk.

he is probably misquoting the other bet to do with the polio vaccine where they actually did show proof and the guy renigged on the deal, they took him to court and double proved it. and the guy renigged again
the guy then said because he has not paid it is his proof that no one proved it (idiot scammer)

Do you have contact information for this doctor? A google search doesn't show anything.

if someone would rather pay $5000 to get another person to use google. than doing it themselves.. they obviously cant even work a bank account due to lack of ability to google. so doubt they would ever pay out even if provided with proof

look what happened years ago with the other antivaxxer. the court and many peers all verified the proof existed and the guy renigged the existance of the other virus years ago.

just because you renig on paying out/refuse to pay out. does not mean that by not paying = no proof.
not paying out a claim. does not mean there is no proof. it jsut means people cant be bothered to pander to an antivaxxer who is in complete denial and probably wont pay out anyway


it means your a ignorant scum bag that only knows the words 'it didnt happen'

Nobody has claimed the $5,000 offered by a California doctor to anyone who can provide evidence that a healthy person has died from the Corona Virus.

maybe you need to search better.
found in 30 seconds (because i was actually looking)
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.23.20076042v1.full.pdf

in short out of 16.7k 5.5k died and of those 660 had no comorbidities (of all 16.7k 3.3% died with no comorbidites)

enjoy google a bit more and less head in the sand
by the way. if all the beds were filled due to no lockdown. more patients wouldnt even get the care. meaning the deathrate would be higher even for the no comorbity group

heck another 30 second search
(just ENGLAND (not full uk) NHS covid death)
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-6-August-2020-weekly-file.xlsx.xlsx
         co-morbidities
Age group      Yes      No
Total         27,990     1,388
         
  0 - 19      16          4
20 - 39      179        33
40 - 59      2,016     267
60 - 79      10,592    575
80+           15,187   509
Unknown age      0   0

out of 29.378k england deaths 1.388k deaths had no comorbidities = 4.7%
those aged
  0-19 20% had no co-morbidities
20-39 15% had no co-morbidities
40-59 11% had no co-morbidities
60-70   5% had no co-morbidities
80+     3% had no co-morbidities

basically there are 1388 deaths that you saying dont exist.. or 1388 that do exist that you just cant be assed to find

feb-april it was 3.3%
feb-august it was 4.7%
meaning more people without medical issues died due to covid recently

It isn't a deadly virus. I'm still waiting for someone to post a link to a genuine report of a Corona Virus death of a healthy person with not co-morbidities.

I'm on my vacation at the moment with more then 50k people on a small island and beaches are packed, people are almost swimming in each other asses and there is no corona to be seen

This is happening here for 3 months and not a single corona case, how is that possible with this deadly virus. People come here from all over the Europe and spend days on packed beaches

Such a deadly virus...pure propaganda in modern times. If you had no internet and this level of connectivity in world today there would be no corona at all as there be no means of spreading it

In the medical world, a healthy person seems to be one who has regular 'flu vaccines, and uses drugs suggested by the money Pharmers to stabilise and avoid normal virus exposure. Many of them seem to smoke, and I see quite a few obese care workers. None of those habits will make a person healthy.

not exactly. i actually consult a doctor close to me whom i trust. they are experiencing this first hand. for example the thing about medical staff were actually colleagues of theirs who were in excellent health.

neither of you have even one iota of proof for what you are each one claiming


you are both trusting reports from the 2 factions that have developed in the wake of this WHO declared pandemic

but Bitcoin taught you: don't trust, verify

this is not true. in fact there has been many cases of healthy people with no issue who have died from Corona virus. there are a lot of healthy medical staff that have died, which makes me believe that it comes down to degree of exposure (both duration of amount of virus) rather than the person's immune system.

last time i checked this was also not true. initially they said those who were infected by the virus gained an immunity against it but later one when many of them were infected again (some of whom even died) it proved otherwise.

The virus seems to have been created to target certain area of the population, that the likes of Bill Gates and Hilary Clinten state should be part of their eugenics programme. These include those with non-white skins, who find it harder to synthesise vitamin "D", and those who are deprived of food. - which shuts down the immune system. The food element is interesting, as Washington seems to be trying to shut down American farming, and this could reduce the number of poor people in the country. I'm also suspicious of the climate change in countries like China.. A few US politicians have stated that they are able to force a country into submission by changing its climate, and the floods, earthquakes and other problems in China seem to be in excess of natural disasters.

Bill Gates is ready with his new project.
You know how windows os is full of bugs and holes, imagine his ultimate solution cure that people will need to be injected not once, but several times.
I don't know what more to say, but people to fucking use their brain and think.

A trial generally includes a control group so that the effects of the vaccine can be measured accurately.

as for your nonsense thinking 80% have already made natural immunity..
well. now your just being stupid

there are many many factors at play of why there is a 50%-70% non-symptomatic
sorry but your in the 50% risk category
firstly thats not 50-70% natural immunity its more like half or quarter of that immunity based and the rest is viral load based on how much you lick face(high load) or social distance(low load)

also yes if we go into the 'natural immunity' of the lower % its things like
having have blueprints for previous viruses. but this is not an exact match for new viruses. so not instant guaranteed immunity.
good working immune systems use old blueprints to then make some lucky dip random antibodies that are variants to the blueprints as a just in case random luck match to a new strain popping up.
but emphasis this is more luck than psychicly knowing the future match requirement
also those with less healthy immunity are making less random luck antibodies and less varients. and making less antibodies in general

less antibodies in general even when they have a match is why the virus can linger in peoples systems and keep them sick for a couple weeks before their body wins the battle vs only lasting 24 hours

even if you think you are healthy to have fast reacting and fast replicating antibody immune system and enough immuno strength to make a multitude of varient pot luck... you cannot tell if you have a fast replicating feature that can fight it fast. or if you have a healthy system to have lots of random luck antibodies based on the old strains to defend from an attach even before it battles your lungs

you can make a guess. but you cant just tell by looking in a mirror
here is how you can make a guess
your immune system has 2 forms offensive and defensive(proactive and reactive)
if you feel you never had a runny nose or a cough then you have good proactive(random luck production defense) however if you do get a runny nose and a cough but it only lasts a day. then you have bad proactive but good reactive
and if you have stuff that lasts more then a day. then you have bad pro and bad reactive
in which case this new virus will hurt you most.

i can tell that by your other posts you worry about food poisoning where even local fish, and even burgerking have giving you a bad tummy.
if this has resulted in just a loose bowel(liquid poo) your body is healthy. if however your getting stomach cramps and pain and sweats lasting 48 hours.. your not as immortal as you may think

so truly start actually thinking about your health and not the health a conspiracy site pretend to tell you that you have.

people do get sick and cough it out and can pass it on even when healthy.

there is clear info about this
take june in the UK
with an average daily cases of symptomatic people being ~600
the number of daily hospital admissions was 150 for just covid

that means for every 4 people with symptoms 1 will need to go to hospital because they cant cope at home

so with there being studies on the age distribution where those over 65 are like 50-60% symptomatic and those 20-65 are 30% symptomatic

well
if a group of young adults playing a game of football in a group of 10. 3 of them will have symptoms hopfully lucky no one goes hospital(hopefully).. but yea 3 are coughing enough to pass it on further to others they come into contact with(if they dont stay home using common sense)

if a group of elderly adults in a pub in a group of 10.. 5-6 will have symptoms and may then pass it on
and maybe 1-2 will need hospital care

now here is the thing. unless everyone in the group knows each others medical issues, problems,history. you wont know with of the group might get sick. and which might get sick the most.

so if your one of the idiots that pretends you are immortal. think about the others around you who are not immortal

so dont think that young adults cant then pass it on to others.
the risk is lower. but the risk is not low
jetcash we know your age is over 60 and i find it funny how you play games with a 50% risk of having symptoms and a 10-15% risk of needing hospital care.
i know you want to pretend your in the healthy 50% no risk category. thus you dont think its a coinflip. but think about others around you not so lucky stop pretending everyone is immortal


yes this is why they say elderly should isolate and younger adults should only congregate in groups of 5-6 people(below 10) so there is only a chance that maybe 1 already sick person might make only 1-2 person transmittably sick
EG
keeping the R at 1 if 1 person only makes 1 person sick

I continue to read reports about the virus and other health issues, and a few things confuse me. Reports indicate that the Corona virus has little effect on a healthy person without a compromised immune system, and there is no risk of mortality. The vaccine Developers plan to test their new vaccines on young healthy volunteers. This confuses me, as the immune system of these volunteers will be on top of the virus as soon as it sees it, and it will be difficult to determine the effects of the vaccine. Another problem stems from the fact that 80% of the population has probably developed a natural immunity. Again this means that the vaccine will be redundant and possibly disruptive. Will they filter out those with immunity, or will they be included in the trials?