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legendary
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amarha
June 04, 2014, 12:26:14 PM
#79
There is a small decline (~19%) in the arrival of tourists from China. For the other groups, there is no change.



We'll see how the coup will affect the post April numbers. I think it might have a noticeable effect. In reality it's not dangerous for tourists to come but I think a lot of foreigners falsely assume that the Army is dangerous. I've personally seen quite a few people asking and being very worried about their upcoming trips. With some even canceling altogether.
legendary
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June 04, 2014, 11:55:13 AM
#78
There is a small decline (~19%) in the arrival of tourists from China. For the other groups, there is no change.

legendary
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amarha
June 04, 2014, 11:21:29 AM
#77
I wouldn't worry at all about coming to Thailand as a tourist. The curfew was an annoyance but now that it's lifted in Pattaya, Samui, and Phuket that's going to take care of a big percentage of tourists who are going to want to be out at night.

Yes... a large majority of the tourists usually stays at Pattaya and Phuket. Those places were not much affected even during the opposition protests. So it seems that tourists are very much safe in Thailand.

Yes ofcourse the places where the tourists come, they keep them clean and clear of protestors.
So the tourist dont see what is really happening in the country, if they would see what was really happening.
Maybe they wouldnt come and throw money in the economy, So ofcourse they will keep those people as ignorant as possible.

My brother and a few friends are going to thailand soon, I hope everything will be cool then.


The thing is there isn't really anything happening. There's no violence any longer now that the Army has taken control. Even in Bangkok tourists would be safe. They might see a lot of Army personnel with guns and that might be frightening for them, but it's not dangerous.
sr. member
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June 04, 2014, 10:03:09 AM
#76
I wouldn't worry at all about coming to Thailand as a tourist. The curfew was an annoyance but now that it's lifted in Pattaya, Samui, and Phuket that's going to take care of a big percentage of tourists who are going to want to be out at night.

Yes... a large majority of the tourists usually stays at Pattaya and Phuket. Those places were not much affected even during the opposition protests. So it seems that tourists are very much safe in Thailand.

Yes ofcourse the places where the tourists come, they keep them clean and clear of protestors.
So the tourist dont see what is really happening in the country, if they would see what was really happening.
Maybe they wouldnt come and throw money in the economy, So ofcourse they will keep those people as ignorant as possible.

My brother and a few friends are going to thailand soon, I hope everything will be cool then.
legendary
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June 04, 2014, 09:42:08 AM
#75
I wouldn't worry at all about coming to Thailand as a tourist. The curfew was an annoyance but now that it's lifted in Pattaya, Samui, and Phuket that's going to take care of a big percentage of tourists who are going to want to be out at night.

Yes... a large majority of the tourists usually stays at Pattaya and Phuket. Those places were not much affected even during the opposition protests. So it seems that tourists are very much safe in Thailand.
legendary
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amarha
June 04, 2014, 09:24:33 AM
#74
I wouldn't worry at all about coming to Thailand as a tourist. The curfew was an annoyance but now that it's lifted in Pattaya, Samui, and Phuket that's going to take care of a big percentage of tourists who are going to want to be out at night.

Thailand is a very safe country in general and with the Army in control it's even safer really. There's been minor peaceful anti coup protests but in reality the majority of Thai people support the coup and are happy to see Thailand back on track to stability.
legendary
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June 04, 2014, 09:01:30 AM
#73
Most recently in Burma Buddhist people wanted to deport a minority group who is not Burmese originally.

The ethnic group which you have mentioned is called Rohingya. They are Bengali speaking Muslims from the neighboring Bangladesh, who immigrated to the Arakan region of Burma during the British colonial period. Ever since Burma got independence, the Burmese and the Rohingya are fighting against each other. Both sides should be blamed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_rebellion_in_Western_Burma
legendary
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June 04, 2014, 08:52:49 AM
#72
If someone is concerned about security or safety in Thailand, he must read news too much while never travelling to this country. My impression about this country is: pacific.
Thais are pacifists. Most of them are Buddhist. They are very friendly, simple. There is pickpocket but I guess it is not worse than the same in Rome, Milan, Paris or Madrid.
People who demonstrate must suffer too much for too long. If I have another chance to travel there, I would not mind.
I think you're right. Correct me if I'm wrong but the most extreme Buddhist extremist I've seen so far is self-immolation. Even when they get so angry they could harm someone, the first person they harm is themselves! I think that says a lot about their idealism.
Well I think most extreme Buddhist extremists are in countries where Buddhism is national religion. They put pressure on the government to throw away from the country some people. You can find it in Burma or Sri Lanka. Most recently in Burma Buddhist people wanted to deport a minority group who is not Burmese originally.
But these people, I mean Buddhist, seem not to like the idea of killing. And you are so right that if they have to kill, they choose to kill themselves. But to me it is bad enough. Just an opinion.

I don't like any religion. But at least the ideology that is usually preached amongst Buddhists is pacifistic. Add that to the fact they never try to convert others (which I hate so much, what would Christians* think if I went door to door telling every Christian* I see they should change to atheism because their religion is flawed?).

*Change Christian for any mainstream religion (and probably also non-mainstream).
sr. member
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June 04, 2014, 08:47:45 AM
#71
If someone is concerned about security or safety in Thailand, he must read news too much while never travelling to this country. My impression about this country is: pacific.
Thais are pacifists. Most of them are Buddhist. They are very friendly, simple. There is pickpocket but I guess it is not worse than the same in Rome, Milan, Paris or Madrid.
People who demonstrate must suffer too much for too long. If I have another chance to travel there, I would not mind.
I think you're right. Correct me if I'm wrong but the most extreme Buddhist extremist I've seen so far is self-immolation. Even when they get so angry they could harm someone, the first person they harm is themselves! I think that says a lot about their idealism.
Well I think most extreme Buddhist extremists are in countries where Buddhism is national religion. They put pressure on the government to throw away from the country some people. You can find it in Burma or Sri Lanka. Most recently in Burma Buddhist people wanted to deport a minority group who is not Burmese originally.
But these people, I mean Buddhist, seem not to like the idea of killing. And you are so right that if they have to kill, they choose to kill themselves. But to me it is bad enough. Just an opinion.
legendary
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June 04, 2014, 08:44:04 AM
#70
Agreed. No matter how pacific Thais people are, or real situation in Bangkok is, or how much lower crime rate in Thailand is in comparison with one in US, I could not find any reason to visit that country during this time.

Foreign tourist arrivals are again picking up in Thailand. The imposition of military rule has actually helped to strengthen the confidence of the tourists. The temporary dip in the arrivals are over.  Grin
sr. member
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June 04, 2014, 08:09:19 AM
#69
Yes let's go guys. There is no army or curfew in Phuket or Pattaya. We may enjoy cheap price while others are scared. Revenue from tourism industry occupies large percentage in Thailand's GDP and large Thais population live on tourists. I guess they will come up with some strategy to get tourists back. Imagine what might happen if hundred thousand people are unemployed due to the stop of tourist flow to this beautiful country. It is gonna be worst than the presence of army in the street.

An important tip for those who are planning a trip to Thailand: you are gonna enjoy interesting exchange rate (THB/USD, THB/EUR) due to this chaotic situation.
Yea, I think now is indeed a unique time to visit Bangkok. See how the military rule is like. However, you are putting your safety at risk. But who knows, it might be safer now if crime rates manage to decrease due to the military preserving the peace.
Agreed. No matter how pacific Thais people are, or real situation in Bangkok is, or how much lower crime rate in Thailand is in comparison with one in US, I could not find any reason to visit that country during this time.
Vacation is vacation, where people go to relax and refresh. If I search for an adventure, I would go to Columbia for rock climbing, but not jumping into a war.
For you guys who love tropical beaches, Maldives is close by Thailand.
sr. member
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June 04, 2014, 08:00:19 AM
#68
If someone is concerned about security or safety in Thailand, he must read news too much while never travelling to this country. My impression about this country is: pacific.
Thais are pacifists. Most of them are Buddhist. They are very friendly, simple. There is pickpocket but I guess it is not worse than the same in Rome, Milan, Paris or Madrid.
People who demonstrate must suffer too much for too long. If I have another chance to travel there, I would not mind.
I think you're right. Correct me if I'm wrong but the most extreme Buddhist extremist I've seen so far is self-immolation. Even when they get so angry they could harm someone, the first person they harm is themselves! I think that says a lot about their idealism.
sr. member
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June 04, 2014, 06:57:55 AM
#67
If someone is concerned about security or safety in Thailand, he must read news too much while never travelling to this country. My impression about this country is: pacific.
Thais are pacifists. Most of them are Buddhist. They are very friendly, simple. There is pickpocket but I guess it is not worse than the same in Rome, Milan, Paris or Madrid.
People who demonstrate must suffer too much for too long. If I have another chance to travel there, I would not mind.
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June 04, 2014, 06:52:45 AM
#66
There is not many reasons to delay a trip to Thailand if you have already booked it. As I remember years ago (cannot remember when exactly) when the same happened in Bangkok, my friend was living there. On the contrary with what I saw everyday in the news. I was so surprised when he told me he was enjoying Thailand, just avoid the demonstration. Other cities like Chiang Mai, Phuket, Pattaya etc were like "nothing ever happen".

So if someone wanna enjoy Phuket, Pattaya or even Bangkok, it is a unique experience.
sr. member
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June 04, 2014, 06:42:19 AM
#65
Then do not go to Bangkok Rigon, Thailand has lots of interesting places other than Bangkok. Honestly I could not find any inspiration in Bangkok for all my 5 visits to this country. I prefer some beaches in the south.

P/s: with or without army in the streets, crime rates in Thailand has never been higher than those in the States. So where is the problem then? Nop, at least for me ...
Wow, you've been to Bangkok 5 times? business or pleasure? My friend was there for a family vacation during the Anti-Thaksin protests. He said everything was safe even though there were a lot of angry people lol. He even had a good time taking pictures with the protesters.
This reminds me of the pictures and videos I saw of the coup. Violence was at a minimum and the military was non-confrontational.
Most of my visits were just vacations because of affordable expenses in Thailand, great tropical climate and I am exempted from visa. I was there in the Anti - Thaksin protests too and it surprised me. Protesters walked in the streets, others were still doing business, selling things, enjoying coffee on the sidewalk. when I visited Chiang Mai people there seemed not to be aware or concerned about what was going on in Bangkok.

Thais attitude is very strange: if you are in, you are in. If you are out, you are out. So I did not witness any damage or destruction of civil properties by protesters (no idea if there was any in fact).
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May 29, 2014, 01:55:28 PM
#64
Then do not go to Bangkok Rigon, Thailand has lots of interesting places other than Bangkok. Honestly I could not find any inspiration in Bangkok for all my 5 visits to this country. I prefer some beaches in the south.

P/s: with or without army in the streets, crime rates in Thailand has never been higher than those in the States. So where is the problem then? Nop, at least for me ...
Wow, you've been to Bangkok 5 times? business or pleasure? My friend was there for a family vacation during the Anti-Thaksin protests. He said everything was safe even though there were a lot of angry people lol. He even had a good time taking pictures with the protesters.
This reminds me of the pictures and videos I saw of the coup. Violence was at a minimum and the military was non-confrontational.
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May 29, 2014, 01:34:59 PM
#63
Then do not go to Bangkok Rigon, Thailand has lots of interesting places other than Bangkok. Honestly I could not find any inspiration in Bangkok for all my 5 visits to this country. I prefer some beaches in the south.

P/s: with or without army in the streets, crime rates in Thailand has never been higher than those in the States. So where is the problem then? Nop, at least for me ...
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May 29, 2014, 01:17:41 PM
#62
Yes let's go guys. There is no army or curfew in Phuket or Pattaya. We may enjoy cheap price while others are scared. Revenue from tourism industry occupies large percentage in Thailand's GDP and large Thais population live on tourists. I guess they will come up with some strategy to get tourists back. Imagine what might happen if hundred thousand people are unemployed due to the stop of tourist flow to this beautiful country. It is gonna be worst than the presence of army in the street.

An important tip for those who are planning a trip to Thailand: you are gonna enjoy interesting exchange rate (THB/USD, THB/EUR) due to this chaotic situation.
Yea, I think now is indeed a unique time to visit Bangkok. See how the military rule is like. However, you are putting your safety at risk. But who knows, it might be safer now if crime rates manage to decrease due to the military preserving the peace.
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May 29, 2014, 01:12:24 PM
#61
Yes let's go guys. There is no army or curfew in Phuket or Pattaya. We may enjoy cheap price while others are scared. Revenue from tourism industry occupies large percentage in Thailand's GDP and large Thais population live on tourists. I guess they will come up with some strategy to get tourists back. Imagine what might happen if hundred thousand people are unemployed due to the stop of tourist flow to this beautiful country. It is gonna be worst than the presence of army in the street.

An important tip for those who are planning a trip to Thailand: you are gonna enjoy interesting exchange rate (THB/USD, THB/EUR) due to this chaotic situation.
sr. member
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May 29, 2014, 12:55:02 PM
#60
Hmm... Things are little settled now in Bangkok.. Military Leader Gen Prayuth has been given royal endorsement to take care of peace in the country... Elections are going to take place soon.. I guess it is now safe to travel to the country.. In fact, better as it is going to be less crowded ..
vip
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May 29, 2014, 07:41:26 AM
#59
yes, he got away with it for a while, but clearly it wont last. this is the second coup that has kicked out his party. i doubt he will get the option to get back in. we will see.

The army will be forced to call in the elections after a few months. With 75% of the national vote, Shinawatra might install a puppet as the president and still run the country (from outside).

What? Who is going to force the Army to have elections? The red shirts will start a civil war? That would be playing into the hands of the army.

They did this last time and he did run the country from outside, his sister took power.

I would not expect elections for at least two years, or they will be elections to a body that has limited power, or most of the spots will be hand picked by the army.

legendary
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May 29, 2014, 06:38:31 AM
#58
However I'm not so sure democracy is the best thing for Thailand. The people who get elected do so by literately giving away money.  One year the "Reds" said they were going to give the head of head village 1,000,000 baht if they got elected. Well, the "Reds" did get elected and they did pay everyone. Was this good for Thailand? Thats a huge amount of debt and inflation.

That's how the democracy works. You take money from the 10% of the population (who works really hard to earn their money) and give this money to the remaining 90% of the population who are lazy and want to survive on benefit handouts.

clearly that sort of bs does not fly here. One of the reasons why i love this place.

Don't forget the minimum rise prices! They do that in my country to for farmer produce but everyone thinks it's fair and great Sad

You know what's fair? The price on the open market. I hate democracy.
legendary
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May 29, 2014, 06:18:32 AM
#57
yes, he got away with it for a while, but clearly it wont last. this is the second coup that has kicked out his party. i doubt he will get the option to get back in. we will see.

The army will be forced to call in the elections after a few months. With 75% of the national vote, Shinawatra might install a puppet as the president and still run the country (from outside).
vip
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May 29, 2014, 05:56:50 AM
#56
clearly that sort of bs does not fly here. One of the reasons why i love this place.

You yourself posted that Shinawatra got elected by giving away money and freebies.

okay, does not fly for very long. he now is outside of the country because if he lands here in thailand he will be jailed for years.

yes, he got away with it for a while, but clearly it wont last. this is the second coup that has kicked out his party. i doubt he will get the option to get back in. we will see.
legendary
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May 29, 2014, 05:21:13 AM
#55
clearly that sort of bs does not fly here. One of the reasons why i love this place.

You yourself posted that Shinawatra got elected by giving away money and freebies.
vip
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May 29, 2014, 03:33:09 AM
#54
However I'm not so sure democracy is the best thing for Thailand. The people who get elected do so by literately giving away money.  One year the "Reds" said they were going to give the head of head village 1,000,000 baht if they got elected. Well, the "Reds" did get elected and they did pay everyone. Was this good for Thailand? Thats a huge amount of debt and inflation.

That's how the democracy works. You take money from the 10% of the population (who works really hard to earn their money) and give this money to the remaining 90% of the population who are lazy and want to survive on benefit handouts.

clearly that sort of bs does not fly here. One of the reasons why i love this place.
legendary
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May 29, 2014, 03:20:48 AM
#53
However I'm not so sure democracy is the best thing for Thailand. The people who get elected do so by literately giving away money.  One year the "Reds" said they were going to give the head of head village 1,000,000 baht if they got elected. Well, the "Reds" did get elected and they did pay everyone. Was this good for Thailand? Thats a huge amount of debt and inflation.

That's how the democracy works. You take money from the 10% of the population (who works really hard to earn their money) and give this money to the remaining 90% of the population who are lazy and want to survive on benefit handouts.
vip
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May 29, 2014, 01:54:06 AM
#52
Completely agree with you , it was indeed a smart move..
Just read online, Prime minister has agreed to step down and dissolve the parliament.. I think matters will settle down in a day or two and things will proceed towards a new election..

I am unfamiliar with the current political situation in Thailand. If an election is held now, without any voter fraud, which party will emerge as the winner? Will Shinawatra's party be able to return to power?

Yes. The "Reds" get about 75% of the national vote. They would clearly win in any sort of election and have even won with all sorts of restrictions on them. There is no way the "Yellows" could ever win an election and that is why they have to use coups and courts to keep the power they have had for about 100 years.

However I'm not so sure democracy is the best thing for Thailand. The people who get elected do so by literately giving away money.  One year the "Reds" said they were going to give the head of head village 1,000,000 baht if they got elected. Well, the "Reds" did get elected and they did pay everyone. Was this good for Thailand? Thats a huge amount of debt and inflation.

legendary
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May 28, 2014, 02:38:06 PM
#51
Completely agree with you , it was indeed a smart move..
Just read online, Prime minister has agreed to step down and dissolve the parliament.. I think matters will settle down in a day or two and things will proceed towards a new election..

I am unfamiliar with the current political situation in Thailand. If an election is held now, without any voter fraud, which party will emerge as the winner? Will Shinawatra's party be able to return to power?
sr. member
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May 28, 2014, 10:33:10 AM
#50
It is a smart and ruthless move.
Think about it, if they had announced a coup right away on Tuesday before they detained the political officers, the political officers might have asked their supporters to rise up against the army.
However, they pretended it was not a coup, asked the political officers to come to a meeting, arrested them, and THEN declare a coup with not many people left to oppose them.
It was a beautiful deception.
Completely agree with you , it was indeed a smart move..
Just read online, Prime minister has agreed to step down and dissolve the parliament.. I think matters will settle down in a day or two and things will proceed towards a new election..
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May 28, 2014, 10:23:12 AM
#49
As I can remember it is not the fist time Thailand experiences the deep interference of army in their life, even in the capital Bangkok. I have some friends who lived their during the riot time. I bet some talk with them may bring very interesting points of view from "inside people".
The main purpose behind these riots is royal succession and I guess it is going to continue until the former prime minister is removed. Death and injuries are being reported following clashes between military guards and demonstrators.

reported where?

Im going to call bull shit.
"After Thursday’s putsch, Thais anxiously await some news on the future of their nation. Half a year of political deadlock has led to at least 28 deaths and 700 people injured, but there are few clues regarding how Thai Army chief Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha can solve the crisis after seizing control"
source : http://time.com/108719/thai-army-declares-military-coup/

if you are a native english speaker you are a moron.

if not they are talking about why the coup happened not what happened after.

No deaths and pretty much no clashing.
Was i talking about what happend after????No!I was talking about "The coup" that  came two days after martial law was enacted, capping months of political deadlock and street protests that have killed 28 people and injured hundreds more.
vip
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May 28, 2014, 09:31:51 AM
#48
As I can remember it is not the fist time Thailand experiences the deep interference of army in their life, even in the capital Bangkok. I have some friends who lived their during the riot time. I bet some talk with them may bring very interesting points of view from "inside people".
The main purpose behind these riots is royal succession and I guess it is going to continue until the former prime minister is removed. Death and injuries are being reported following clashes between military guards and demonstrators.

reported where?

Im going to call bull shit.
"After Thursday’s putsch, Thais anxiously await some news on the future of their nation. Half a year of political deadlock has led to at least 28 deaths and 700 people injured, but there are few clues regarding how Thai Army chief Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha can solve the crisis after seizing control"
source : http://time.com/108719/thai-army-declares-military-coup/

if you are a native english speaker you are a moron.

if not they are talking about why the coup happened not what happened after.

No deaths and pretty much no clashing.
legendary
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May 28, 2014, 08:48:10 AM
#47
I hope everything resolves itself quickly though! Or do you guys think Thailand will be better off with military rule?

I think so. The military is definitely better than those crappy politicians. The political parties were fighting against each other, causing dozens of deaths and hundreds of millions of USD in property damage. It has stopped now. Peace has returned.
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May 28, 2014, 08:24:25 AM
#46
It actually seems like the Thailand people prefers military rule as well! Think of the massive protests by political parties during the previous governments!
Once the military took over, no serious protests have occurred and only small protests of about 50 people each have gathered. The army are also relatively passive and backing away from the protesters trying to calm things down.And based on the many pictures spread online of Thai people taking pictures with soldiers, it seems like they have quite the political support. It is also good to see the Thailand people taking a break from massive protests for awhile.
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May 28, 2014, 08:18:27 AM
#45
I hope everything resolves itself quickly though! Or do you guys think Thailand will be better off with military rule?
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May 28, 2014, 08:00:45 AM
#44
As I can remember it is not the fist time Thailand experiences the deep interference of army in their life, even in the capital Bangkok. I have some friends who lived their during the riot time. I bet some talk with them may bring very interesting points of view from "inside people".
The main purpose behind these riots is royal succession and I guess it is going to continue until the former prime minister is removed. Death and injuries are being reported following clashes between military guards and demonstrators.

reported where?

Im going to call bull shit.
"After Thursday’s putsch, Thais anxiously await some news on the future of their nation. Half a year of political deadlock has led to at least 28 deaths and 700 people injured, but there are few clues regarding how Thai Army chief Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha can solve the crisis after seizing control"
source : http://time.com/108719/thai-army-declares-military-coup/
vip
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May 28, 2014, 07:50:55 AM
#43
As I can remember it is not the fist time Thailand experiences the deep interference of army in their life, even in the capital Bangkok. I have some friends who lived their during the riot time. I bet some talk with them may bring very interesting points of view from "inside people".
The main purpose behind these riots is royal succession and I guess it is going to continue until the former prime minister is removed. Death and injuries are being reported following clashes between military guards and demonstrators.

reported where?

Im going to call bull shit.
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May 28, 2014, 07:27:12 AM
#42
It is a smart and ruthless move.
Think about it, if they had announced a coup right away on Tuesday before they detained the political officers, the political officers might have asked their supporters to rise up against the army.
However, they pretended it was not a coup, asked the political officers to come to a meeting, arrested them, and THEN declare a coup with not many people left to oppose them.
It was a beautiful deception.
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May 28, 2014, 07:12:32 AM
#41
As I can remember it is not the fist time Thailand experiences the deep interference of army in their life, even in the capital Bangkok. I have some friends who lived their during the riot time. I bet some talk with them may bring very interesting points of view from "inside people".
The main purpose behind these riots is royal succession and I guess it is going to continue until the former prime minister is removed. Death and injuries are being reported following clashes between military guards and demonstrators.
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May 28, 2014, 07:05:15 AM
#40
As I can remember it is not the fist time Thailand experiences the deep interference of army in their life, even in the capital Bangkok. I have some friends who lived their during the riot time. I bet some talk with them may bring very interesting points of view from "inside people".
vip
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May 24, 2014, 09:49:22 AM
#39
Would the military support allowing the king absolute dictatorship?

Yes if it came to that. He is highly trusted and loved. I honestly think if there was an election he would get over 75% of the vote to become dictator. Maybe closer to 90%.

People are sick of democracy here. They vote for the side that will give them the most and thus it just distresses the economy.
legendary
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May 24, 2014, 09:03:49 AM
#38
before everyone was running around tossing bombs into each others protest camp.

now no one is tossing bombs. people were killing each other over the elections... now that there are no election no one can win them and thus no one is killing for them.

Yes... I was watching the Al Jazeera news, and they were showing opposition protesters returning to their hometowns from Bangkok. Seems like the city has become safer.
donator
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May 24, 2014, 09:01:00 AM
#37
why would the tourists leave? it is safer now than before.

That is surprising. How can a place be safer under the military dictatorship, when compared to that under a democratic government? BTW.... have the nightclubs and the pubs closed down?

they close by 10pm so more or less yes.

before everyone was running around tossing bombs into each others protest camp.

now no one is tossing bombs. people were killing each other over the elections... now that there are no election no one can win them and thus no one is killing for them.

the only risk here is if the reds (left leaning socialist more or less) rise up and start a civil war. will this happen? we will see...

now clearly a civil war would be less safe than what is going on right now but i just dont see how you would think dem is safer than a junta.

people go outside with a gun now they get shot by the army. before they had to go to trial, could buy a judge and what not...

the army is swift and is not putting up with any shit at all. people are not going to fuck with the army becasue the people know who gave the army permission to do what it did. dont forget that Thailand is a kingdom that was never colonized by the west. They have different values than the west and honestly most people dont give a fuck about democracy. to them its just two different mafias fighting for power.
I'm kind of warming up to their style of governance. Some of the European countries had a similar system while transitioning from absolute monarchies to democracy. -So the monarch is fairly hands-off and non-partisan unless he sees the "lesser rulers" creating too much of a disturbance, in which case he'd call on the military to step in and act like the adult, separating the two kids trying to throw rocks at each other? It's odd to me that the monarch could have unlimited power at any time, but does not take full control. Would the military support allowing the king absolute dictatorship?
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May 24, 2014, 12:29:03 AM
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why would the tourists leave? it is safer now than before.

That is surprising. How can a place be safer under the military dictatorship, when compared to that under a democratic government? BTW.... have the nightclubs and the pubs closed down?

they close by 10pm so more or less yes.

before everyone was running around tossing bombs into each others protest camp.

now no one is tossing bombs. people were killing each other over the elections... now that there are no election no one can win them and thus no one is killing for them.

the only risk here is if the reds (left leaning socialist more or less) rise up and start a civil war. will this happen? we will see...

now clearly a civil war would be less safe than what is going on right now but i just dont see how you would think dem is safer than a junta.

people go outside with a gun now they get shot by the army. before they had to go to trial, could buy a judge and what not...

the army is swift and is not putting up with any shit at all. people are not going to fuck with the army becasue the people know who gave the army permission to do what it did. dont forget that Thailand is a kingdom that was never colonized by the west. They have different values than the west and honestly most people dont give a fuck about democracy. to them its just two different mafias fighting for power.

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May 24, 2014, 12:19:40 AM
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why would the tourists leave? it is safer now than before.

That is surprising. How can a place be safer under the military dictatorship, when compared to that under a democratic government? BTW.... have the nightclubs and the pubs closed down?
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May 24, 2014, 12:07:03 AM
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why would the tourists leave? it is safer now than before.

the one thing that will however piss off most tourists the the curfew from 10 pm to 5 am.  so much for the night life
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May 23, 2014, 11:19:07 PM
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So far, no large scale outflow of tourists... surprising.

Tourists caught up in coup as Thailand goes into lockdown

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/asia-pacific/tourists-caught-up-in-coup-as-thailand-goes-into-lockdown-30297743.html
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May 23, 2014, 11:12:40 PM
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Situation is worsening...

Thai army detains ex-PM Yingluck

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27544972

expected.
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May 23, 2014, 12:34:14 PM
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Situation is worsening...

Thai army detains ex-PM Yingluck

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27544972
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May 23, 2014, 09:21:32 AM
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Coups are just the way Thailand changes its government. It happens about every 10 years on average. Put another way, no coup happens without the approval of the king who is highly respected in Thailand. So if a coup happens, it's because the king acknowledges that a change needs to be made. It's likely nothing serious and will help the country heal and move forward eventually, repairing the damage to its economy and reputation that has occurred over the last few years.
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May 23, 2014, 09:02:28 AM
#29
It is starting to affect the foreign tourists.

Thailand coup: tourists must abide by curfew

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/asia/thailand/10849092/Thailand-coup-tourists-must-abide-by-curfew.html
I was in Bangkok a few years back when the army and tanks were on the streets. It didn't make the slightest difference to most people and tourism just carried on as normal. Going out again soon and will not change my plans.
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May 23, 2014, 08:27:36 AM
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the army is going to try the reds from starting a civil war. if they can stop that, they will set up some sort of power sharing govt, might take 6 months or more. if there is civil war, well that would just suck.

this will hurt tourism and the economy.

The Thai Armed Forces account for more than 300,000 well-disciplined troops. They are one of the best armies in the South-east Asian region, with decades of experience in fighting against the Communist insurgents.

they are also trained by the us army and mostly funded by the us with cash and arms.

they are one of the few nations in the world who have an air craft carrier and had it decades before china had one.
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the army is going to try the reds from starting a civil war. if they can stop that, they will set up some sort of power sharing govt, might take 6 months or more. if there is civil war, well that would just suck.

this will hurt tourism and the economy.

The Thai Armed Forces account for more than 300,000 well-disciplined troops. They are one of the best armies in the South-east Asian region, with decades of experience in fighting against the Communist insurgents.
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May 23, 2014, 07:11:11 AM
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Thailand's military has announced it is taking control of the government and has suspended the constitution. In a TV statement, army chief Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha vowed to restore order and enact political reforms. The cabinet has been told to report to the military, TV broadcasting is suspended and political gatherings are banned. A nationwide curfew will operate from 22:00 to 05:00 local time. The coup follows months of political turmoil in Thailand. On Tuesday the army imposed martial law. Talks were then held between the main political factions, but the army announced the coup on Thursday.

This is not a positive thing. What do you think will happen next?

the army is going to try the reds from starting a civil war. if they can stop that, they will set up some sort of power sharing govt, might take 6 months or more. if there is civil war, well that would just suck.

this will hurt tourism and the economy.
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May 23, 2014, 06:45:49 AM
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Thailand's military has announced it is taking control of the government and has suspended the constitution. In a TV statement, army chief Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha vowed to restore order and enact political reforms. The cabinet has been told to report to the military, TV broadcasting is suspended and political gatherings are banned. A nationwide curfew will operate from 22:00 to 05:00 local time. The coup follows months of political turmoil in Thailand. On Tuesday the army imposed martial law. Talks were then held between the main political factions, but the army announced the coup on Thursday.

This is not a positive thing. What do you think will happen next?
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May 23, 2014, 06:43:39 AM
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. Is it really just a mutual understanding that civil war would absolutely devastate the country short-term and long-term no matter the outcome?

I think that is part of it yes. Also Thailand is a very Buddhist country and no one wants bad karma. Thailand is really an odd place and an odd culture. I have no idea why more or less everyone is so orderly and well behaved. They all have this system and they all follow it, crazy really.

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May 23, 2014, 04:59:29 AM
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It sounds like they forcefully took control of the government to "force" an allegedly-to-be-fair election. ... So I guess the military's supposed to be the moderates in this situation...?

yes, but, the reds will clearly win all elections, so if there is a vote, and the reds win well we are back to where we were a year ago.

and if there is not a vote, the red will start a civil war.
The reds will win fairly, or must there be "undemocratic actions" taken to win? Trying to understand if this is putsch or popular uprising.

The basic rule in a civil war involving democracies, if one side wins, then it's an undemocratic election or there's fraud involved according to the other parties, if the other side wins, exact same response in reverse, then it all devolves into shooting, because both sides hate each other so much they're willing to resort to killing to hold onto their power.

Forget Thailand and the Ukraine, I'm currently worrying what will happen if a high percentage of people vote in EU and Scotland and vote the opposite of what mainstream politicians once I really think they might send in the army because they are that arrogant.
How does Thailand in particular get through so many of these "undemocratic democracy enforcements" with relatively little bloodshed? Clearly, there's a LOT of bitterness, but it seems like most bloodshed tends to occur at protests which border on getting out of hand, where the military steps in (sometimes prematurely and perhaps unnecessarily), not from any type of widespread armed rebellion where they fight it like a traditional war. Is it really just a mutual understanding that civil war would absolutely devastate the country short-term and long-term no matter the outcome?
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May 23, 2014, 04:34:47 AM
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It sounds like they forcefully took control of the government to "force" an allegedly-to-be-fair election. ... So I guess the military's supposed to be the moderates in this situation...?

yes, but, the reds will clearly win all elections, so if there is a vote, and the reds win well we are back to where we were a year ago.

and if there is not a vote, the red will start a civil war.
The reds will win fairly, or must there be "undemocratic actions" taken to win? Trying to understand if this is putsch or popular uprising.

The basic rule in a civil war involving democracies, if one side wins, then it's an undemocratic election or there's fraud involved according to the other parties, if the other side wins, exact same response in reverse, then it all devolves into shooting, because both sides hate each other so much they're willing to resort to killing to hold onto their power.

Forget Thailand and the Ukraine, I'm currently worrying what will happen if a high percentage of people vote in EU and Scotland and vote the opposite of what mainstream politicians once I really think they might send in the army because they are that arrogant.
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May 23, 2014, 04:28:11 AM
#20
It is starting to affect the foreign tourists.

Thailand coup: tourists must abide by curfew

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/asia/thailand/10849092/Thailand-coup-tourists-must-abide-by-curfew.html
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May 22, 2014, 01:56:28 PM
#19
vote ... they are also saying they will start a civil war if they do not get power.
Ah. "One gun, one vote."

I thought you'd moved to the US. Just a visit? You should overstay your tourist visa next time.


yes just a visit, that yellow car for that pr stunt has been left somewhere. i have been in thailand more than 90% of the last 10 years.
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May 22, 2014, 01:54:56 PM
#18
Why bother having an election at all if they publicly stated they will start a civil war if they lose?


they hold about 70% of the vote. assuming it would be done fairly.

clearly they will be upset if they do not win.


the thing about thailand is the massive poor people started winning elections, the rich few did not like this.

but the rich few ran the country and made it work.

it is a mess.
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May 22, 2014, 01:50:36 PM
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Why bother having an election at all if they publicly stated they will start a civil war if they lose?
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May 22, 2014, 01:42:57 PM
#16
vote ... they are also saying they will start a civil war if they do not get power.
Ah. "One gun, one vote."

I thought you'd moved to the US. Just a visit? You should overstay your tourist visa next time.
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May 22, 2014, 01:37:32 PM
#15
It sounds like they forcefully took control of the government to "force" an allegedly-to-be-fair election. ... So I guess the military's supposed to be the moderates in this situation...?

yes, but, the reds will clearly win all elections, so if there is a vote, and the reds win well we are back to where we were a year ago.

and if there is not a vote, the red will start a civil war.
The reds will win fairly, or must there be "undemocratic actions" taken to win? Trying to understand if this is putsch or popular uprising.

there is no doubt that the reds have more than 50% vote. they even won last time with the deck stacked against them. they are also saying they will start a civil war if they do not get power. it will be hard for the usa to support anyone but the reds in a war. if there is a war, it wont be nice.
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May 22, 2014, 01:34:06 PM
#14
Don't be so sure about that. I've stayed in Bangkok during military sieges before and it was pretty much like everyday life.  Anyway they are very careful not to harm the tourism.

Don't know. More than two dozen people have lost their lives in the opposition protests, mostly in Bangkok. The situation is very volatile, and unsafe. A lot of people are canceling their hotel bookings.

yeah so have i... shots fired every few mins...

so far nothing. i have not heard gun fire in years. that being said i am not in bkk right now but i am in thailand.

Get out from there, before the situation gets any worse.

this happens fairly often though. there are so many foreigners in thailand that they probably don't give a shit about the political unrest. kind of like how in south korea most people don't seem to care about what's going on in the north.
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May 22, 2014, 01:12:06 PM
#13
It sounds like they forcefully took control of the government to "force" an allegedly-to-be-fair election. ... So I guess the military's supposed to be the moderates in this situation...?

yes, but, the reds will clearly win all elections, so if there is a vote, and the reds win well we are back to where we were a year ago.

and if there is not a vote, the red will start a civil war.
The reds will win fairly, or must there be "undemocratic actions" taken to win? Trying to understand if this is putsch or popular uprising.
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May 22, 2014, 01:10:24 PM
#12
It sounds like they forcefully took control of the government to "force" an allegedly-to-be-fair election. ... So I guess the military's supposed to be the moderates in this situation...?

yes, but, the reds will clearly win all elections, so if there is a vote, and the reds win well we are back to where we were a year ago.

and if there is not a vote, the red will start a civil war.
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May 22, 2014, 01:08:42 PM
#11
It sounds like they forcefully took control of the government to "force" an allegedly-to-be-fair election. ... So I guess the military's supposed to be the moderates in this situation...?
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May 22, 2014, 01:02:53 PM
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Don't be so sure about that. I've stayed in Bangkok during military sieges before and it was pretty much like everyday life.  Anyway they are very careful not to harm the tourism.

Don't know. More than two dozen people have lost their lives in the opposition protests, mostly in Bangkok. The situation is very volatile, and unsafe. A lot of people are canceling their hotel bookings.

if you lose your life you are in an area where you are a target.

it really is pretty much like everyday life. the politics in thailand is insane. btw no army here but everyone went home at 10. 
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May 22, 2014, 01:01:17 PM
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Don't be so sure about that. I've stayed in Bangkok during military sieges before and it was pretty much like everyday life.  Anyway they are very careful not to harm the tourism.

Don't know. More than two dozen people have lost their lives in the opposition protests, mostly in Bangkok. The situation is very volatile, and unsafe. A lot of people are canceling their hotel bookings.

yeah so have i... shots fired every few mins...

so far nothing. i have not heard gun fire in years. that being said i am not in bkk right now but i am in thailand.

Get out from there, before the situation gets any worse.
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May 22, 2014, 12:59:24 PM
#8
Don't be so sure about that. I've stayed in Bangkok during military sieges before and it was pretty much like everyday life.  Anyway they are very careful not to harm the tourism.

yeah so have i... shots fired every few mins...

so far nothing. i have not heard gun fire in years. that being said i am not in bkk right now but i am in thailand.
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May 22, 2014, 12:56:22 PM
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Don't be so sure about that. I've stayed in Bangkok during military sieges before and it was pretty much like everyday life.  Anyway they are very careful not to harm the tourism.
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May 22, 2014, 12:48:01 PM
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Curfew after 10 PM?

Looks like the nightlife and tourism economy is going to take a hit.

It will definitely affect the tourism sector. But who in their right minds would visit a nation which is under a military dictatorship? We will be seeing a massive outflow of foreign tourists in the coming few days.
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May 22, 2014, 12:22:04 PM
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Thai is used to coup every couple years.

Nothing really new or surprising.
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May 22, 2014, 09:53:14 AM
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I haven't followed thai politics in a year. Who sat down in the big chair after lady Taksin was ousted? This is the regime that the military now took power from, right?(Military took power from yellow-shirts?)


If I got some RT article right the military historically sided with the yellows and not the reds, but im confused now  Huh


Either way I hope for Taksin to be re-elected. The yellowshirts are basically capitalist rich that doesn't even hesitate to fight Cambodia on their borders just to save their income from tourism(Tourism is well established in Thailand but growing in Cambodia. Thailands nr 1 income that would decline if Cambodia was opened up for tourism more. And if they're fighting on the borders - that's not happening. Since most people come to cambodia threw Bangkok).
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May 22, 2014, 09:51:15 AM
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Curfew after 10 PM?

Looks like the nightlife and tourism economy is going to take a hit.
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May 22, 2014, 09:49:28 AM
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At least they are forthright about it. Wink
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May 22, 2014, 09:46:25 AM
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27517591

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Thailand's military has announced it is taking control of the government and has suspended the constitution. In a TV statement, army chief Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha vowed to restore order and enact political reforms. The cabinet has been told to report to the military, TV broadcasting is suspended and political gatherings are banned. A nationwide curfew will operate from 22:00 to 05:00 local time. The coup follows months of political turmoil in Thailand. On Tuesday the army imposed martial law. Talks were then held between the main political factions, but the army announced the coup on Thursday.

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