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After an official report that America experienced economic difficulties, I thought Arab countries like Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates and others were my dreams, where the lives of people were very advanced, many free things given by the government so that living in the Union Emirates was a dream that I wanted to realize.
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The American dream in our country was to have a decent place to live, a good income, a healthy life and a happy family. If one had that, they were considering happy. Now I said was, because that was the dream, but now it has changed. Our government is ruining our country. In thirst for power, the government is taking whatever means possible. In that process, we civilians are suffering the most. Recent inflation has put this country in a situation where we are unable to even eat 3 times properly. I know it's a political matter but as it is affecting the economy, I guess we can discuss it here. Now back to the topic. The economy is suffering like crazy. And the over population problem has left us with more competition and poverty. We can not dream to become successful here. So the young generation is trying to leave the country in search of becoming successful. Now the dream is to leave the country and go somewhere where we can become successful. That's the version of America dream in here.
I think that the American Dream is only just an expression and not only specific to American country. Almost all of us has their own American Dreams. It's hard to have all the things that you listed but I think many of us have at least one of it but its not yet enough to consider an American Dream. Maybe it is only once we have all of those however we can still be happy. It's sad to hear the situation in your country but don't lose hope just yet.

The current government can still be replaced or you can just migrate to other better countries. It's okay to not eat 3 times a day. There's even some who hardly ate because they are dieting. It also helps us to save money.
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Since I was born, I have never heard anything like a country dream. We only have personal goals and aspirations. Which goes something like this, the parents make all the sacrifices to raise the kids and put them through school, the kids go to school, graduate, get a well paying job with job security, and should be able to return the favour by caring for their parents who are now aged and their younger siblings (if any). Note that the last statement is what we look forward to. This is sort of our version of the American dream. Unfortunately, it's getting difficult to achieve due to economic set backs. When these kids graduate from university they may wait for up to 5 years to get a job and within this time they are most likely to still be dependent on their parents who are already getting old. If you ever wondered why Nigeria is top 10 in countries when Bitcoin is talked about, that's one of the reasons right there.

In contrast to this, I noticed in my country kids are getting more and more aggressive towards financial independence meaning teenagers are now more focused in earning a better life for themselves. More and more are moving out of their parents' homes and are finding ways to earn for themselves. Perhaps it really is different in different countries.
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Since I was born, I have never heard anything like a country dream. We only have personal goals and aspirations. Which goes something like this, the parents make all the sacrifices to raise the kids and put them through school, the kids go to school, graduate, get a well paying job with job security, and should be able to return the favour by caring for their parents who are now aged and their younger siblings (if any). Note that the last statement is what we look forward to. This is sort of our version of the American dream. Unfortunately, it's getting difficult to achieve due to economic set backs. When these kids graduate from university they may wait for up to 5 years to get a job and within this time they are most likely to still be dependent on their parents who are already getting old. If you ever wondered why Nigeria is top 10 in countries when Bitcoin is talked about, that's one of the reasons right there.
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The American Dream. What is Your Country's Version of it? 

We don't have version of it. A 3rd world country with a lot of power hungry corrupt politicians a and business men, I don't think there will be an equal opportunity for everyone here to achieve success and financial stability. This translates as to why this country is struggling, people here are struggling to survive. We only work to have something to eat every single day. Most of the people here are working as hard as they could to catch up with the bills, mortgages, and other expenses. The same reason why a lot of people here are eager to find that American Dream overseas even if it means they need to sacrifice being with their families just to make that dream alive.
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That's why the goal of becoming a millionaire is not really an option.
A millionaire is not all its cracked up to be. Say you have $1,000,000. You can't spend any of it because if you do you're not a millionaire anymore. So you put it into a savings account making 3% per year. Congratulations you just got yourself an income of $30,000 per year. Probably need to pay state and local taxes on that though. People that work minimum wage jobs make more than that. In the USA.
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Secondly every country in the world has some version of their American dream, if your country does, what is its version of the American dream and does it still exist? Is it still achieveable or attainable?



I always found the American dream a nice motivation for people to try and be successful. Working yourself up from a dish washer or the mail room to become a millionaire is one of the greatest success stories that shows everybody can make it. Unfortunately in my country we don't really have the goal of becoming rich, over here it's more about living a good and happy life. In my country there are two mottos that my parents and grandparents lived by. The first one is to save as much money as possible so you have a good life during retirement. Instead of treating yourself today and enjoying life, it's all about working hard and for planning down the road 30 years from now. The other saying is that there is an insurance for every risk. People are very risk averse and love to take out insurance for any possible situation. This again prevents you from enjoying life today, because you have to pay all the insurances. You can spend all your life paying premiums for worse case scenarios that never happen, just so that you sleep better. The big problem for me is that being afraid of risk also means that you won't invest your money and rather leave it at the bank in a savings account. That's why the goal of becoming a millionaire is not really an option.
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The core essence  of American dream is providing equal opportunities for every citizen irrespective of their religion, race, color or back ground.This idealistic vision has been adopted by politicians in almost every country, including my own, as a rallying cry during election campaigns. however, the harsh reality is that, nepotism pervades is spread in every sector of economy favoring connections over merit and qualifications.

Even within United States the American dream is subject to criticism due to widening gap between rich and poor.
It's not only about rich and poor, America is definitely not what it used to be in the past, there is too much racism in America in current times, and I've seen that a lot of times on social media, in social experiments videos, in videos where people interact with each other from different places using platforms such as Omegle, it's everywhere. Whenever an American encounters a stranger, if they are black, or they are Muslim, or from Asia or something, they will start to pass racist statements.

However, the reality might be different since I've not been there myself, but it has always been my dream to go there once, but all these things have made me have a different perspective about the country and the people there. I might still go one day, and I hope I can see that what I've seen and heard isn't true.
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To OP and anyone else who hasn't realized it yet, the whole concept of an "American Dream" was sparked in somebody's head, got its 15 minutes of fame but is now just a quaint notion in some people's heads of how things used to be in the good ol' days.

Life in America isn't what it was like in the 50s-60s, where mom was a housekeeper and dad worked for 40 years at the same company, invested conservatively, and the family owned a house, a car, a dog, and all that happy horseshit.  Christ, just look at what Hollywood has done to Superman with the Man of Steel movie.  That ought to be a bright red flashing indicator light that pessimism has permeated every corner, crack, and crevice in society.

And in other countries?  I'm reading replies but as usual I can't tell who's actually thinking about this topic and who's just counting how many characters their fingers are typing.  IMO the concept never did and never will exist outside the minds of Americans.
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Unfortunately, there's no such version here in my country. Perhaps what we have is, "You're on your own." LOL!

The dream to have a good life is oftentimes left to each one of us here. In some countries, your dream is supported in many ways by your government. It's on a personal level even. Here in my highly agricultural country, the government cannot even bring down the price of rice.

Many of my countrymen will have to leave his/her family in order to pursue a greener pasture overseas. To many, the dream can only be reached abroad.
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but america has not ever had a female president yet wants to pretend to be equal rights.. oops buzzword "equity"
that's not how you measure if women have equal rights franky. update your measuring method.


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shame that then a bunch of men tell women they cant make decisions over their own wombs content
why is that a shame? someone has to lay down the law about what is right and what is wrong. murder is a very serious thing franky so of course it is a controversial issue... Shocked

womens have plenty of rights over their own body just once it gets to a certain stage, there's more than just them to consider. there's also something inside of them that might be viable outside of the womb. as technology progresses, that viability date will become earlier and earlier.

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I guess the American dream in my country would mean a six figure income, a house, car and a beautiful family. This is how little it takes to be “happy” in my country. Everyone has their own interpretation of what the American dream is, for some it represents freedom; for others it represents financial opportunities that can only be achieved America, many across the world have been sold on this idea, that’s why there are migrants struggling to get past the US border just so they have their shot at the American dream.
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With a high unemployment rate, housing crises, increasing student debts, inflation, recession, wars, famine, high interest rates and all those factors that affect the economic mobility of many families both in America and all over the world threatening to wipe out the middle class, would we still say that  the American Dream exist? Is it still achieveable or attainable?
Many people in developing nations will gladly move to the US even with the current issues the country is facing. For them security, food, shelter, and a low-playing job is enough for them. At least in the US, the unemployed are given some stipends to meet some of their basic needs. Living in most of these third-world nations is like staying in hell. In my country, the middle class is almost disappearing because the gap between the rich and poor keeps widening every day because of corruption. For me, the American dream exists because almost everyone I know that moved to the US from my country is not doing badly financially. America rewards hard work and if you are diligent, you will be financially stable.

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Secondly every country in the world has some version of their American dream, if your country does, what is its version of the American dream and does it still exist? Is it still achievable or attainable?
For the poor in my country, the version of the American dream will be survival dream. If you have enough funds to pay for house rent, buy food, and clothing, and pay medical bills and school fees, you are living the American dream. Surviving in my country has become so expensive that only a few people can afford it.
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The core essence  of American dream is providing equal opportunities for every citizen irrespective of their religion, race, color or back ground.This idealistic vision has been adopted by politicians in almost every country, including my own, as a rallying cry during election campaigns. however, the harsh reality is that, nepotism pervades is spread in every sector of economy favoring connections over merit and qualifications.
Oh no, it's deeper than nepotism, more like corruption in my opinion because in some way nepotism can be a good thing when you know that the family that runs the country isn't running it to the ground and enslaving it's people. It's corruption from power and money that destroys the "American Dream" that many are trying to chase. It's a pretty idea, that's why the politicians promise that they will be the bringer of that dream when we all know that it's not going to happen, I think that this kind of system of false promises is in part the fault of the people who vote these politicians into power, if we were to carefully choose someone based on merit and competency and not because they have a way with words and they promise big stuff then I think that we're going to be off to a good start.

Regarding American Dream, I don't really believe it. I'll just leave to you what George Carlin says about the American Dream.

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It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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what is its version of the American dream and does it still exist? Is it still achieveable or attainable?
In my country, which reflects on America, is far away from expectations because of differences in culture and systems. Our government is trying to be like the American system, but the habits of people and the economy become a barrier to moving forward. Our officials are very fond of corruption and Our official is really don't care about the progress of their nation, so progress in our country is be like walk on the spot, even tend to go backward. We are as citizens confused on how to go forward, many left to another country for just try change their fate.

I think a lot of people from different countries goes to America just to achieve that American Dream because they know it will be near impossible to have that in their own country. Mostly because of the lack of opportunities and the state of their country's economy. Hence, the number of people moving to America is a lot.
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what is its version of the American dream and does it still exist? Is it still achieveable or attainable?
In my country, which reflects on America, is far away from expectations because of differences in culture and systems. Our government is trying to be like the American system, but the habits of people and the economy become a barrier to moving forward. Our officials are very fond of corruption and Our official is really don't care about the progress of their nation, so progress in our country is be like walk on the spot, even tend to go backward. We are as citizens confused on how to go forward, many left to another country for just try change their fate.
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The American dream in our country was to have a decent place to live, a good income, a healthy life and a happy family. If one had that, they were considering happy. Now I said was, because that was the dream, but now it has changed. Our government is ruining our country. In thirst for power, the government is taking whatever means possible. In that process, we civilians are suffering the most. Recent inflation has put this country in a situation where we are unable to even eat 3 times properly. I know it's a political matter but as it is affecting the economy, I guess we can discuss it here. Now back to the topic. The economy is suffering like crazy. And the over population problem has left us with more competition and poverty. We can not dream to become successful here. So the young generation is trying to leave the country in search of becoming successful. Now the dream is to leave the country and go somewhere where we can become successful. That's the version of America dream in here.
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...Australia is not going to war and trying to seize islands...
Australia a highly surveillanced state, govt are very effective in divide and conquer any potential uprising against the ruler.

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...while Russia does,
Russian are barbarian, they are not able to be tamed with typical surveillanced or divide and conquer, also they are born in a famine land, a land that is difficult to grow crops due to weather, but resort farm livestock instead, survival of the fittest environment train them to be strong.

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...why are some poor countries not interested in the land...
That is quite deceiving, tbh all land on earth are colonized at some point, I can name all country (yup every each of them) that is colonized, but I can't name even one that is not colonized, native American was colonized for the land for instance, it is not a coincidence, every country is colonized by force, but we have totally no clue to all the juicy details to what is going on, they are top secret and must not be reveal to the public.

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...Dictatorship and brainwashed people...

...Communism that destroyed the ability to think...
...a level of corruption and bribery worse than cancer...
Well, these are some of the doubt that is easily debunk, but it would go very off topic if I goes on, lol.

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...It's pretty easy to know when someone is to blame...
It might be easy for you, but we are not rooting on fooling you, there is billions of people in the world, we are rooting on the millions, obviously not all people are highly scam conscious, a few of them are easy fall into some deceptions just like what we see there is people who likely to fall into bitconnect scam.
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"The American Dream" has really degenerated from what it stated. Many questions arise as rampant nepotism and the widening gap between rich and poor have created inequality within American society itself.

They take advantage of the rights and power of wealthy families to maintain domination, from the economic and political spheres to education and health. Making society unfair, when only a small part of the population benefits from opportunities and development, while the majority of the population faces difficulties and limitations. At the same time, the widening gap between the rich and the poor is also creating social turmoil, causing disorder and instability. Causing people to lose trust and imbalance in society, causing trouble and instability.
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Secondly every country in the world has some version of their American dream, if your country does, what is its version of the American dream and does it still exist? Is it still achieveable or attainable?
I'm not a statesman to be aggressive about this kind of thing, it doesn't matter what our country's version of the American dream is or anything like that because it's not going to get us out of an economic crisis or can do some kind of magic sentence to get rich. I didn't always care about statesmanship in the end, I went back to taking care of economic needs, being able to get food supplies, living in peace, and not under the pressure of debt. So the American dream, whatever it is has no support for us from the lower classes. As far as I know America just wants to control everything, including the affairs of other countries.
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Funny. No American dream mate, it's living the life to fullest. Go to the work, listen to what boss says, what gossip colleagues has to make, spend some time on the forum, go out for the coffee 2-3 times in a day. Have typical lunch like home cooked food and sometimes cuisines if money is left over. That's just common life I am living and most of the people around me. These days things are worsening with the inflation and high unemployment. Not just that but increased grocery pricelist is another problem for me and the community here. Everywhere you go its the same gossip again and again.
However, I would like to point out that, if someone asks whether America would be the next destination then most of them does have dream for that but I don't know if things are really great out there as they are shown?
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This is a very tricky discussion, without going too deep into the debate, let me make the concession. Due to land, the poor decide to stop working, because they finally realize all the hardwork they contribute, they are not gonna get reward with anything, instead of working toward farming food on the land, they decide to go to war, this way with less people to compete, they can have more land to spare, basic supply and demand theory.

That doesn't really answer why Australia is not going to war and trying to seize islands while Russia does, why are some poor countries not interested in the land, and why some are. Besides, it's never the masses that go on a land conquest.
 
Well, I think you would have know the answer by now, it is not too confusing to understand how they end up to destruction, why Russia is destroying itself? According to economist, because the UFO invading earth, because Ukrain, because Nuclear energy, because climate changes blah blah blah. But which is the real truth?

Dictatorship and brainwashed people that think they are bringing the world the Russian mir while half of them don't have inside plumbing? Communism that destroyed the ability to think outside the box, private enterprises private initiative, and has led to a level of corruption and bribery worse than cancer?

It's pretty easy to know when someone is to blame, you ask him who the culprit, if he's pointing at the world order, reptilianism, or capitalism without knowing what capitalism is then obviously he's the one.

I think the American dream is an illusion created by leaders in America to get their citizens to work.
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I just want to accumulate enough Bitcoin so I can be able to get a van and go live off-grid.

Shows pretty much why half the world sucks.
Screw work, I just want to get some Bitcoins that will magically go up in value so I don't have to work one second in my life.

Of course, the American dream is not for you, and of course, the US sucks compared to the country you're living in right now, right?
Btw, which country is that, the Netherlands of Philipines?

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... With a high unemployment rate, housing crises, increasing student debts, inflation, recession, wars, famine, high interest rates and all those factors that affect the economic mobility of many families both in America and all over the world threatening to wipe out the middle class, would we still say that  the American Dream exist? Is it still achieveable or attainable?

what shall we say about a country wherever it is will always be different regarding the dreams of its citizens which will lead to the Ideal Nation. The reality is many people living in poverty, homeless, and low-income scrabble to survive in America, most of them are like that probably because of the consequence of drugs or the social environment. The American Dream still exists but not everyone is able to achieve it.
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First of all I just wanted to ask that these dreams are actually yours? Because I always felt that its what the government wanted from you so they keep injecting this as should be your dream and eventually it caught up to. But do you really think any rich person has such dream so eventually id has to differ from every individual not just something we told to be.
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I think the American dream is an illusion created by leaders in America to get their citizens to work. They make them think that if they work their 9 -5 for 35 or 40 years, they are within that time would have attained the American dream.
But oh not...no American dream. Too many issues stopping people from it. The American dream is for those born with a silver spoon.
I don't know what version of the American dream my country has and I don't care. I just want to accumulate enough Bitcoin so I can be able to get a van and go live off-grid.
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Each country may have its own American dream. But basically all of them refer to Equality, Equality, Individualism, Freedom and Prosperity together. Every citizen and every country has the same dream about this. But in its application in daily life we ​​can clearly see that this dream is fading. Equality and equity look harmonious when sitting together with those who have the same level of wealth. But equality and equality will become unrealizable when two people who have different levels of wealth sit together. like people at the lower economic level it will be very difficult to sit with people who have middle and upper economic levels. Even so in the world of work. Opportunities to get a job in fact are not the same. People who have relationships and connections are still the priority even if he is not competent at work. Even a genius would be left out if he didn't have enough relationships and connections. But we must not give up to make this dream come true. Because if we give up then who will continue this American dream for various versions from each country which basically have the same goal, namely to get the opportunity to achieve prosperity and success together.
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The association of this dream with America, capitalism, or liberation is caused by the film industry and Hollywood, since in the past all news came from this industry until television, which was indirectly controlled by capitalism. You see that your country is hell and opportunities are narrowing, and you turn on the TV to find the land of dreams, where a simple job makes you live to cover the basics and you have money for investment and tourism.

The American dream is the individual's ability to do that and when he meets these requirements, he is better than a large number of the world's population and is not linked to the United States. It is people's desire to live a better life and not to move to another country, but it is impossible for them to live this life in their homelands, so they leave.
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Secondly every country in the world has some version of their American dream, if your country does, what is its version of the American dream and does it still exist? Is it still achieveable or attainable?


The people are prosperous, the country is strong. If the financial system is unstable, it will reduce the effectiveness of monetary policy, disrupt economic activity and potentially trigger moderation or even economic contraction and if the financial system is stable, the intermediary function and other financial services in the financial system remain optimal and contribute to national economic growth and dream version of the American dream will be achieved as you convey and ask above of course.
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I think in the current economic climate, the American Dream is more about personal fulfilment and less about material wealth.
The American Dream is a set of values & aspirations that motivate and inspire many people in America. The idea of the American Dream still exists but I think it has changed over time. The idea of a better life and a brighter future is still attainable but it is now more focused on achieving personal success through education, hard work, & entrepreneurship rather than on the pursuit of material wealth.

I agree, however this can only be true for some. I know that there are still those who view the American Dream as having such lavished home, number of cars, luxury items and such. Perhaps this is due to the different perspective and idea we have about US.
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If you ask most people around the world what they mean by the “American dream,” nearly all will respond with some version of upward social mobility, the American success story, or the self-made man (rarely the self-made woman). Perhaps they will invoke the symbolic house with a white picket fence that suggests economic self-sufficiency and security; many will associate the phrase with the land of opportunity for immigrants.
https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst/state-of-the-american-dream/churchwell-history-of-the-american-dream

The above is a quote from the George Bush Institute of the typical response an individual would receive when they ask someone about what the American dream is. And this is the truth, the American dream includes the component of upward economic mobility. So many successful people in the United States of America would agree that they have achieved the American dream and those who are not yet there would agree that they are in the process of achieving or reaching the American dream.

With a high unemployment rate, housing crises, increasing student debts, inflation, recession, wars, famine, high interest rates and all those factors that affect the economic mobility of many families both in America and all over the world threatening to wipe out the middle class, would we still say that  the American Dream exist? Is it still achieveable or attainable?

Secondly every country in the world has some version of their American dream, if your country does, what is its version of the American dream and does it still exist? Is it still achieveable or attainable?



After birth, the mentality of the place where we live is involuntarily laid in each of us. And this greatly affects our views and thoughts about the ideal country. And every country and nation relative to the United States will seem completely different. And its residents will call different things if they are asked if the United States is an indicator of a country of fulfilled dreams for them. I am sure that Asians will say that in the USA there are no necessary strict rules, both etiquette in communication and in work. People from Scandinavian countries will say that even though nature in the USA is beautiful, but people drive themselves too much into the framework of the American dream, forgetting about true freedom and purity of spirit. Etc. I will not describe the fact that the USA is a rich country, in my opinion, the wealth obtained by the endless printing of the dollar is questionable. And in the long run, not a very good phenomenon.
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I think in the current economic climate, the American Dream is more about personal fulfilment and less about material wealth.
The American Dream is a set of values & aspirations that motivate and inspire many people in America. The idea of the American Dream still exists but I think it has changed over time. The idea of a better life and a brighter future is still attainable but it is now more focused on achieving personal success through education, hard work, & entrepreneurship rather than on the pursuit of material wealth.
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If you ask most people around the world what they mean by the “American dream,” nearly all will respond with some version of upward social mobility, the American success story, or the self-made man (rarely the self-made woman). Perhaps they will invoke the symbolic house with a white picket fence that suggests economic self-sufficiency and security; many will associate the phrase with the land of opportunity for immigrants.
https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst/state-of-the-american-dream/churchwell-history-of-the-american-dream

The above is a quote from the George Bush Institute of the typical response an individual would receive when they ask someone about what the American dream is. And this is the truth, the American dream includes the component of upward economic mobility. So many successful people in the United States of America would agree that they have achieved the American dream and those who are not yet there would agree that they are in the process of achieving or reaching the American dream.

With a high unemployment rate, housing crises, increasing student debts, inflation, recession, wars, famine, high interest rates and all those factors that affect the economic mobility of many families both in America and all over the world threatening to wipe out the middle class, would we still say that  the American Dream exist? Is it still achieveable or attainable?

Secondly every country in the world has some version of their American dream, if your country does, what is its version of the American dream and does it still exist? Is it still achieveable or attainable?


Each person is different since your dream could be someone else's nightmare, however I think an improvement on our current economic conditions is a very common dream, as even if not everything can be bought with money, at the same time a great deal of stuff can in fact be bought with money, so people dream of having more money as a way to solve most of their problems, not realizing that money itself is a problem and they will simply change one set of problems for a different set of problems.
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Perhaps it is one of their most popular slogans, but there is others: "land of opportunities", "your dreams come true," etc.

It is a stigma that sells products, especially mainstream entertainment,; movies, TV, and music.

Your question, fall into the trap, in your country there is the equivalence of the American dream, please, you can succeed in any part or country of the world, even with a better % than the United States.
The world revolves around everyone and opportunities are for those who take advantage of them.

Of course, we must not cover up the reality that there are countries that have more advantages than others, but don't give me the story that it only happens in the United States.

In conclusion, each country has its version of utopia in that American phrase.
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The core essence  of American dream is providing equal opportunities for every citizen irrespective of their religion, race, color or back ground.This idealistic vision has been adopted by politicians in almost every country, including my own, as a rallying cry during election campaigns. however, the harsh reality is that, nepotism pervades is spread in every sector of economy favoring connections over merit and qualifications.

Even within United States the American dream is subject to criticism due to widening gap between rich and poor.

I think that every country's dream is to get prosper but we cannot say that one country's dream can be beneficial to other countries too. No doubt the Americans want their citizen to give them the best lifestyle and they also want to reduce the inflation and the gap between rich and poor in their own country.

However, I don't think that think in such a way when they make policies for the other under-developed countries. The recent wave of IMF policies implemented in our country suggests that International monetary giants do not give importance to the lifestyle of the poor countries where people's lives are getting miserable due to increased inflation.
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USA population is 330 million but the USA is not occupying all the land in the American continents, which btw are less than 30% of all land, Americas means also Venezuela and Haiti and there the dream is having food next day.

This is a very tricky discussion, without going too deep into the debate, let me make the concession. Due to land, the poor decide to stop working, because they finally realize all the hardwork they contribute, they are not gonna get reward with anything, instead of working toward farming food on the land, they decide to go to war, this way with less people to compete, they can have more land to spare, basic supply and demand theory.

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...Russia has plenty of land and look where it is, the Netherlands has 20 times the density of Sweden or Sudan , ...Too much land might be a curse ...

Well, I think you would have know the answer by now, it is not too confusing to understand how they end up to destruction, why Russia is destroying itself? According to economist, because the UFO invading earth, because Ukrain, because Nuclear energy, because climate changes blah blah blah. But which is the real truth? Why nobody want to talk about land seizure, all due to land itself not something else. Is too much land a curse? It might attract a lot of jealousy, and a lot of invaders, yup, too much land can be a curse when the population in the land begin to uprise against it, when the population begin to shout foul-play, and going on a large scale protest. However that is rarely an issue in today society, that is highly surveillanced.
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The American dream is a vague concept. If you walk the streets of America, you will see homeless people lying in the street, a lot of dirt, etc. The center of cities is usually tidy, but the outskirts..... There is no harm in dreaming. Reality is different from dreams
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Unfortunately, we do not have a version of the American dream here in my country. I live in a country ravaged by war, its economy deteriorated, and its infrastructure destroyed. Therefore, my country's version of the American dream is immigration to a civilized country.

Most of the young people here have only one dream, which is to emigrate outside this devastated country to get a better chance and start a new life away from wars and chaos, because they despair of all this.

A dream needs material means to achieve it, but unfortunately some people do not even have the ability to dream.
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My country doesn't have a version of the American dream. Maybe my country's deviated version of the American dream would be to have a rich relative and use his connections and influence to help me get a good job and climb the social ladder. This is nepotism/crony capitalism basically. Grin Unfortunately nepotism is more cherished than hard work where I live. USA isn't what it used to be. The amount of immigrants doing to America trying to chase the American dream is decreasing every year. USA is turning slowly into a shithole and that was pretty much expected.

Well I could relate, I don't know how to explain the American Dream in my country which is PH because I think there's none? The fact that there's a lot of corrupt officials here that American Dream won't even matter to some people. That's why a lot of people here would prefer to work abroad just to chase that dream because there's less opportunity here. They would build that dream to other country where they could dream higher from there. In my case, I would just love to life in other country, I know there's also difficulty in there what country doesn't have an issue right? But maybe the difference about the opportunity and the improvement of the economy here has a huge gap to other country. I don't know even some healthcare here would cost you much.
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We are in Bitcoin forum and talk about American dream, is it needed?

It should be Bitcoin dream or Bitcoin dream in the America (United States). It is a better dream with bullish sentiment from Bitcoin community, adoption and market.

It is time for de-dollarization as the purchasing power of US dollar lost over time while Bitcoin purchasing power increases a lot over time.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/purchasing-power-of-the-u-s-dollar-over-time
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I am not entirely sure, maybe going to south side of the nation for retirement could be for ours too, our nation has very hot and nice places on the south side called Mersin, Antalya, Bodrum (Mugla), Aydın, Marmaris and all that, and the general west side could be too, Alacati, Foca, Ayvalık, Erdek and dozen other places. Usually people want to stop working and go there and live there. Main reason is that 15+ million, close to 20 million people all live in the same city Istanbul. Which means that we all live in a jammed city basically never seeing anything nice. If we could have enough money to go there, it would be possible to just chill all day there, could be a job there too, its basically going to one of those, that's our dream, wear shorts, relax shirt and all, a moped bike maybe, and just relaxing all day long and having fun at night with friends drinking all night long.
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I would guess that retirement must be it. I understand that may look weird, but most people would like to retire as early as possible here. There are people who must work even after 80+ years old because they failed to get ready for their old age, and that's a fear, so it is not a dream to retire early, but a nightmare to not be able to retire.

If it is possible, we would like to work as much as possible, like 2-3 jobs if we must, just to make sure we can retire. Also going to another nation instead of staying here is a bit our dream lol, yes it sounds weird but that's the reality, people would rather live in Europe or USA or Canada instead of keep living here, that's the dream we could say is the biggest in my nation.
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My relative immigrated to America; he was chasing the American dream. Then it meant to have prosperity—a house not rented but your own, a profitable business with a total cost of a million bucks. All this beautiful life and the promises that, after receiving a residence permit, your life will change for the better turned out to be empty words. Now the American dream is a quiet life without all sorts of incidents, a more or less stable income, far from six figures at all, and health, which is very expensive to maintain in America.
Living in another place, in our homeland, we understand that we have everything that those naive people in America are chasing—maybe not with six zeros, but certainly our own.
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It is definitely not hard, with vast land, America still have a big room to grow. Because the population is just 300m, and the America land occupy 1/3 of the total earth surface area, that is lavish to everyone!

USA population is 330 million but the USA is not occupying all the land in the American continents, which btw are less than 30% of all land, Americas means also Venezuela and Haiti and there the dream is having food next day.
And land, the whole thing is stupid Russia has plenty of land and look where it is, the Netherlands has 20 times the density of Sweden or Sudan , do you see the later catching up? Too much land might be a curse rather than a blessing.

I've never believed in the American dream, I wouldn't want to live in that country or in a country that strives to be similar to it. ~
To be honest, my country's situation is kind of special right now because it's Ukraine, and we are at war with a much bigger country.

Thing that would have never happened to someone living in the US.
And trust me as a fellow eastern European, I would take student debt and expensive healthcare anytime over the corruption that has plagued us for decades and probably it will plague you for two or three after the war is over too. You have free healthcare but how good it is? How much do you actually have to pay the doctor and nurses for everything in a hospital? How much do you have to pay to have a good doctor take care of you and skip a few months for an operation? Been there, done that, I won't regret it one second!

With a high unemployment rate, housing crises, increasing student debts, inflation, recession, wars, famine, high interest rates and all those factors that affect the economic mobility of many families both in America and all over the world threatening to wipe out the middle class, would we still say that  the American Dream exist?

Unemployment is going down in the USA, inflation is going down, there is no recession, famine just lol, famine in the largest producer of food in the world, lmao, hight interst rates at 5%, go to Iran or Argentina and count the digitis, war? On US soil?

Before even thinking of such things, look at the millions that risk their lives to go there and to flee to Europe, then ask yourself why is nobody trying to go ot othe countries that claim to not have problems?






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My country doesn't have a version of the American dream. Maybe my country's deviated version of the American dream would be to have a rich relative and use his connections and influence to help me get a good job and climb the social ladder. This is nepotism/crony capitalism basically. Grin Unfortunately nepotism is more cherished than hard work where I live. USA isn't what it used to be. The amount of immigrants doing to America trying to chase the American dream is decreasing every year. USA is turning slowly into a shithole and that was pretty much expected.

I have an the same  opini with you . where to become the country of the American dream is very difficult in my country too, if nepotism is very thick not to mention corruption everywhere, even for more broken legal problems where there is money will have less/lighter prison time than people who don't have money
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I'm sure there is a standard answer to this, but given that we all live in a different country and are experiencing different environment and economic state I'd say we all have different American dreams.

As for me, and probably most of the people in my country, it is being able to land a stable job which will then allow me to have a great house, a car, savings, luxury stuff, and help my extended family. It is being able to trave the world and not worry about how I'm gonna have to pay for all the expenses I have.
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I'm stateless, have no country... not of this World but of another. I belong to a Nation, or perhaps an existence that is everywhere but nowhere.

In my World or Nation, our needs are guranteed as long as our Shield remains strong. To have a strong shield is to obey the laws and do the Will of our CREATOR. Then you are well covered and nourished like mother hen covers and feeds her children.
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I've never believed in the American dream, I wouldn't want to live in that country or in a country that strives to be similar to it. But I think it used to be pretty common for people in my country to have this dream or a dream of something similar because our country isn't good at social mobility or at encouraging business. But we also don't have student debt or overly expensive healthcare, so there's that.
To be honest, my country's situation is kind of special right now because it's Ukraine, and we are at war with a much bigger country. So in my country, the Ukrainian dream is to get our territory back (the areas Russia occupied), to finally be free to grow and develop without Russia's opinion meaning anything, to overcome corruption, and to have peace (but only on our terms). The economy isn't a priority right now, for obvious reasons.
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I think in here, our 'American Dream' is different for each generation, for the generation before me, the dream was to get a stable income and work for the government, Civil Servant, Police, Army, something like that, because on their era, the industry is not yet developed so working for government would be the safest thing to do. For my generation the dream was to become an entrepreneur running our own company, helping employee, become 'the boss', it also closely related to fact that the industry is starting to developed, we thing we can make our own way there. While for generation after me, they have more varied dreams, most of the industry is already established people have more buying power. Now they can become musician, artist, modern farmer, designer, anything because people already have the money to buy a secondary thing like entertainment, hobby etc. Previously even we are struggle to meet our daily needs.
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dreams are not reality
the pursuit of.. [anything] is the chase, not the capture
america advertises something that is basically chase after something thats not reality

liberty is the open gates, until you see ICE agents and border police

capitalism pretends to be opportunity but forgets to remind you that its opportunity for those at the top to funnel funds from the bottom. it pretends to offer those at the bottom, but its actually a tool for the top

many many countries have had female leaders hundreds of years ago
(UK queen elizabeth the first, queen victoria) (UK prime minister Margaret thatcher)
(iceland president  Vigdís Finnbogadóttir)
(sri lanka president Sirimavo Bandaranaike)
(agentina president Isabel Perón)
(pakistan president Benazir Bhutto)
the list goes on and on

but america has not ever had a female president yet wants to pretend to be equal rights.. oops buzzword "equity"
shame that then a bunch of men tell women they cant make decisions over their own wombs content
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The "American Dream" that we know today is completely at risk. Everything that we do from this point on as a country (speaking of the US) is crucial to the preservation of this dream. The American dream used to basically consist of an independent life in a free country, someone who was able to secure some land and a house, and build an established business and income stream to provide for ones family. To be a success. Maybe have a farm, or a successful practice which one can do as he pleases, without having to rely on anyone else to make ends meat. It saddens me today when you look at the state of the US and how bizarre everything is now. People struggle all over the world to get a house, it is an extremely hard endeavor today in today's market with the rates where they are and inflation where it is. I hope that America can continue to be a beacon for freedom, and that the American Dream can be preserved! In its own right, a dream shouldn't even have to be an american dream, this is just your dream. What do you want? What are you willing to sacrifice (time, money, hardwork, etc.) to make that dream happen? I think that is whats most important, simply having a dream of your own and having the courage to see it through! Good luck everyone!
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With a high unemployment rate, housing crises, increasing student debts, inflation, recession, wars, famine, high interest rates and all those factors that affect the economic mobility of many families both in America and all over the world threatening to wipe out the middle class, would we still say that  the American Dream exist? Is it still achieveable or attainable?
I will give a small example of a past story where I faced a lot of difficulties on my academic journey, from economic problems, unsatisfactory health, and some not so smooth. But honestly, life is about facing and moving forward to overcome current difficulties for a better future, and OP's problem is on a larger scale as far as I know. That term is synonymous with ideas such as freedom, opportunity, and equality. And I understand that under the difficult circumstances in recent years, things are not going in a good direction, but it is clear that the broader and more distant process, the current achievements are not the things we feel anxious about, instead try to get through it together.



Secondly every country in the world has some version of their American dream, if your country does, what is its version of the American dream and does it still exist? Is it still achieveable or attainable?
As mentioned above, freedom, opportunity and equality are what I believe any country is aiming for. And of course in the country where I live, our leader also had these views to develop the country through the stages, I am not in a country that is too modern in other respects. But what I see most clearly is our solidarity, after economic difficulties, or epidemics, the spirit of solidarity is always mentioned, perhaps that is the part that I think will towards dreams of a better life.
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Having a stable job, owned house and car are probably the American dream version of my country. Even I at some point of my life, have a goal to have a stable job even if it's just a little bit above the minimum wage. My country is a 3rd world country so standard here for having a good life is very simple as I mention above.

Those standar will just adjust based on the area someone lives since some people preferred condominium house when they grow on urbanized area while those people that grow on rural area wants their small house even if it's just small.
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It is definitely not hard, with vast land, America still have a big room to grow. Because the population is just 300m, and the America land occupy 1/3 of the total earth surface area, that is lavish to everyone! But why land? Is land really matter? Of course land is the only real wealth that is natural, but idk why would capitalist like to create artificial wealth such as intangible stock, paper asset, intellectual property etc, they are all clearly wealth destroyer, yet they would not stop lying over and over again. When you look again how the rest of the continent and compare it to America, we have to compete with the rest of the 2/3 real estate on the earth surface area, which is highly competitive tbh.

There isn't dream in anywhere else because most of the natural wealth have been completely monopolized by a few very influential families.
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The core essence  of American dream is providing equal opportunities for every citizen irrespective of their religion, race, color or back ground.This idealistic vision has been adopted by politicians in almost every country, including my own, as a rallying cry during election campaigns. however, the harsh reality is that, nepotism pervades is spread in every sector of economy favoring connections over merit and qualifications.

Even within United States the American dream is subject to criticism due to widening gap between rich and poor.
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My country doesn't have a version of the American dream. Maybe my country's deviated version of the American dream would be to have a rich relative and use his connections and influence to help me get a good job and climb the social ladder. This is nepotism/crony capitalism basically. Grin Unfortunately nepotism is more cherished than hard work where I live. USA isn't what it used to be. The amount of immigrants doing to America trying to chase the American dream is decreasing every year. USA is turning slowly into a shithole and that was pretty much expected.
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If you ask most people around the world what they mean by the “American dream,” nearly all will respond with some version of upward social mobility, the American success story, or the self-made man (rarely the self-made woman). Perhaps they will invoke the symbolic house with a white picket fence that suggests economic self-sufficiency and security; many will associate the phrase with the land of opportunity for immigrants.

Secondly every country in the world has some version of their American dream, if your country does, what is its version of the American dream and does it still exist? Is it still achieveable or attainable?
It's still achievable and worth a lot for believer of American Dream. For example, in America women could easily do their jobs but in many countries where women are restricted in homes only. Not targeting any race but still many people of backward mindset still exist. So, for those women American Dream is a thing because those who wanted to become a Doctor, Engineer, etc. could fulfil their dreams in America.

That's what American Dream mean, the land where dream comes true when you put hard work. Hardwork is the most necessary thing, if one is not willing to make efforts and still will think that he/she will fulfill their dreams in America then America is not some fairytale world. It's just a country where opportunities are available and if not then could be created.  

I always wanted to earn money, Passive source of money, but i have seen many people going to UK Canada but not a single one in my relative or friend zone has ever gone to US. So, i cannot say that life is hard there but i can say one thing for sure UK and Canada's life is not easy. Many people are sleeping on the roads (talking about immigrants). I do not want to leave my country, because my dreams could be fulfilled remotely  Wink Wink
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If you ask most people around the world what they mean by the “American dream,” nearly all will respond with some version of upward social mobility, the American success story, or the self-made man (rarely the self-made woman). Perhaps they will invoke the symbolic house with a white picket fence that suggests economic self-sufficiency and security; many will associate the phrase with the land of opportunity for immigrants.
https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst/state-of-the-american-dream/churchwell-history-of-the-american-dream

The above is a quote from the George Bush Institute of the typical response an individual would receive when they ask someone about what the American dream is. And this is the truth, the American dream includes the component of upward economic mobility. So many successful people in the United States of America would agree that they have achieved the American dream and those who are not yet there would agree that they are in the process of achieving or reaching the American dream.

With a high unemployment rate, housing crises, increasing student debts, inflation, recession, wars, famine, high interest rates and all those factors that affect the economic mobility of many families both in America and all over the world threatening to wipe out the middle class, would we still say that  the American Dream exist? Is it still achieveable or attainable?

Secondly every country in the world has some version of their American dream, if your country does, what is its version of the American dream and does it still exist? Is it still achieveable or attainable?

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