Topic: The battle over online privacy (Dash / Monero / Zcash) - page 2. (Read 3922 times)

Their ANN thread seem to be telling the opposite. The rest of them don't know the sudden rise but then i guess the rest of the users who hope to earn when it goes up prefer to invest on SDC and NAV as its cheaper. My bet why its going up though is these coins are being used if there are some hacks going on and just maybe a huge site is currently penetrated like btcjam.

because dash shills like qwizzie would like to think dash is still at about the same level as monero but in reality they now at the same level with SDC and NAV..

that's right qwizzie go FUD SDC and NAV ... who knows they might take a huge chunk off DASH marketcap  

Why is NAV and SDC out of the picture?
I've read here in the forum where they said that SDC and NAV has better technology than those mentioned in the OP.  If you can check it on bittrex these two coins are also being traded well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_criticism


do you think these shills would be friendly when they are heavily invested, brainwashed and delusional?

like i was stating up thread, you cannot remove human emotions...these battle will be full of emotions i guarantee you

Litecoin will own them all when the time is right.. SOON

I like how you think my friend. This is a good and healthy way to think of the whole cryptosphere. Some coins and platforms will directly compete with each other and there is not way we can avoid that. What we can avoid doing is the bashing and the trolling and spreading of the FUD. Why not instead make constructive criticism?

You can also add vcash chain blender technique in the battle of anonymous transactions. They too might have something very useful for the cryptosphere.

i have a different vision, i prefer fighting/competition..it makes each other stronger and innovative..

i even like attacks, i wanted monero attacked, DASH attacked, Bitcoin attacked... attack everywhere.. we don't want to release a crypto currency to the whole world that will fail and bring billions of $ down with it..

think of crypto like a bitcoin dojo with satoshi nakamoto as sensei

monero and dash are sparring partners, include zcash too..after they toughen up they will leave the bitcoin dojo and find their path in the world.

regarding shills, they are my favorites..i neutralize their lies and deception...i also have fun along the way  

regarding speculators, they are part of the ecosystem...people gamble, trade, invest, make a few bucks etc.. that's life.

it may just be good for them to take out of that anonymous feature, I remember there was a beach resort that accepts DASH lately and so they are starting to be noticed and planned to be used by the masses. maybe they figure mass adoption can be much possible if privacy is taken out.

Nope.

It does.

The double decker couch was a nice idea but I believe it was ditched in the end.

Time for the plan to progress.

But it doesn't have to be this way. If we push for adoption by more real merchants, we could actually spend our anonymous currency just as we can spend cash in person. This push for adoption will require teamwork though which is exactly what is lacking in this current environment.

More like "The battle of the scams"

Who can make the most monkeys fling their poo the furthest.

The only way to liquidate anon coins is to give all your credentials to an exchange.

DNA, ip, or ID.

PICK YOUR SERVILE POISON.

How ironic.

Exchange one handler for another.

If you want your old handler you can keep your old handler.......

I have made it clear from the beginning that most of my cash worth is spread between Monero and Dash. More recently, I've been making a whole lot more money in Monero than I have Dash but making money has never been the point. The ROI that Dash masternodes offer is just a bonus, as is the money I have been making in Monero, both of which I still plan to hold long term. I do not want a "dash t-shirt" or a "dash mug". I just want everyone to expand their scope of thinking and see everyone in the crypto space as being part of the same group and begin to treat each other with respect. While it is impossible to strip humans of their emotions and would be counter-productive to do so, I think we can hold everyone to a higher standard.

I believe in both currencies and the point that everyone continues to miss, including you, is that this is much larger than "my" investments.

This is about changing the way our species makes transactions and about giving everyone freedom which I really do not think we have been able to experience in our entire history. Decentralization was not technically feasible until just recently and now we have a chance to change the underlying systems of our civilization. But in order to do this, we have to overcome a lot of barriers and will have to engage with a lot of organizations that have billions of dollars at stake if the status quo was to change. They are not going to give up easily and quite frankly have not even started to fight us. The combined marketcap of the top 100 cryptos is only 12 billion. Do you know what that is to Goldman Sachs? 3 months worth of earnings. Do you know what that is to Apple? 1 / 50th of their market cap. They have not started to fight us because we are barely a threat.

We will be though and that is when the real battle will begin and I believe that is right around the corner. We need to get our ducks in a row and stop our in fighting so we can get organized for what lies ahead. Constructive criticism is great. Name calling, unsubstantiated claims and posts without links to evidence or that are phrased in an aggressive or childish way only serve to widen our divisions when we need to be doing the exact opposite.

Would any of this behavior be tolerated in the business world? Would any of this be tolerated at any reputable firm? The answer is clearly no and these are the very entrenched systems that we are up against. They will walk all over us as we try to push adoption if we do not change the way we present ourselves.

There is nothing "fun" about the direction our world is heading nor is there anything "fun" about the way that millions of people suffer under the existing monopolies of banks and remittance companies. I believe that each persons life is inherently meaningless and that it is up to the individual to give meaning to their own life through their actions. We, as supporters of cryptos have an opportunity to make a real change and I urge everyone to think of the big picture and act accordingly.

  i know you have investments in dash masternodes..and threats to dash is also a threat to your investment...i understand that.

BUT..you cannot strip humans of their emotions.. i recommend putting on your "dash t-shirt" and drink your coffee from "dash mug" and let's have some fun  

A lot of people appear to have missed the point in my original post asking both communities to be more cooperative. They can still compete and use that competition to innovate and they can still critique the other technology. What I believe needs to happen though for cryptos in general to succeed is to do this in a more professional and jovial manner.

You are correct that some of the discussions have used facts and have been productive but a lot of the conversations have also been without facts and very childish.

Here is just one of many examples that I do believe is "bashing" as it does not reference facts, evidence or data of any kind and instead uses verbiage like "scam" and "snakeoil".

https://imgur.com/a/IiwTb

Here is another example where "DashHole" is used.

https://imgur.com/a/fl4jX

It is a known problem that members of the Monero community actively make aggressive claims about other technology without providing evidence to back these claims up. In the last example, one of the Monero team is quoted in stating they cannot control members of their community. That is true and I believe stifling free speech always leads to bad outcomes so that is not something I am advocating for in anyway.

The one thing that can be done is for someone from the Monero team to make a statement that they do not support members of their community making claims without providing evidence. They could make that post in this thread and it won't have to be mentioned again. That way at least myself and others in the Monero community, including the aggressors, will know that the Monero team does not support this behavior and then hopefully we can move forward together in advocating for the adoption of cryptos.

By remaining silent, they are endorsing this behavior and it is off putting and unprofessional.

I have been investing and watching both Monero and Dash for over two years and am continuously embarrassed to be part of a community that acts so childish when so much is at stake. I have been vocal as of late as I am becoming increasingly worried at the direction our society is moving and believe that cooperation is more necessary now than it ever has been.


Speaking of stifling free speech, I was extremely disappointed that my plea to the Monero and Dash communities was censored on the Monero subreddit: http://imgur.com/a/Cqnz1

My plea is still on the bitcointalk Monero thread which is great but I'm not sure I understand why it was removed on the Monero subreddit.

It is a little hypocritical that the Monero team believes it cannot control certain members of its community but then actively censors other members of that same community that are only trying to bring a stop to the unproductive hostility.


I believe both communities should let the past be the past and open a new door towards cooperation but we cannot do that without the leaders setting an example for others to follow.

bet on all of them seems to be the trick and enjoy the entertainment as you go along:)

As there is always an existential doubt in cryptography, it is usually best not to have all eggs in one basket.  But the most important thing is that *finally* the anonymity/fungibility aspect starts to get taken seriously, after all the bells and whistles of smart contracts and other stuff.    The anonymity thing (or lack thereof) with bitcoin is always what refrained me from being too overly enthusiastic of bitcoin itself.  I saw it as a step back as compared to cash, and a very dangerous one, because of the graving in stone for eternity.   30 years later, all your transactions of the past are still visible.  People don't seem to realize how terrible that can be, especially because we don't know how the world powers will evolve.  This is something that chilled my spine when I realized it.

My opinion is they can but they won't. It also better if developers compete with each other so they can improve their coins much faster and come up with the best open source technology for everyone to use in the cryprosphere. Also the drama is very entertaining.

The majority of discussion has been using facts to base claims about Dash and Monero.

"Bashing" is the term used when the opposing side of the discussion does not like how the discussion is going so they play the victim card.

can't they all coexist?

dash "partly private" blockchain is a security hole itself