Topic: The coin mixer advertised here stole my coins (Read 499 times)

I think he's leaning more toward trying to stir the pot for mixers instead of looking for attention. He targetted mixers in general as his initial complaint, "clueless" about the platform that become the issue here, maybe tried to fish other people pitching in with negative experience of their own, pushed to mention specific platform and has no choice but to name one just to keep his story sounds reliable. And when confronted with his growing number of discrepancies, he pull the whole Avatar Aang move.

It was fun toying with him, though.

Meanwhile, the fact that he has not logged in, I think it's because he also follow and read this thread from his other account. Realizing that his attempt to raise a ruckus failed, he didn't bother to go back online with that account.

The OP is quite clearly making up the whole alleged incident but we do not know why he is attention-seeking. In my opinion he is an alt-account and certainly knows his way around the forum and has interacted with members. The way he is posting also shows him trying to show he is unaware of certain things but he cannot fool all the people reading the thread.

As he has not logged in since yesterday, hopefully he has ended this charade and it is the last we have seen of him.

You didn't read the other posts before this, do you? The guessing game is finished, CM came out as the winning platform that became the scapegoat... err, I mean the villain in this story.

Someone is coming here to make a scam accusation without knowing anything about the mixer he used, without knowing the required format he should go through in making his application, isn't all these serious enough not to trust OP himself that he's actually the scammer here and not the mixer, mixers has their own rules, if you violate any, you may be in this kind of condition you've already found yourself to be.

He never provided any proof that he ever sent funds to a any mixer (be CM or a different). All that we have from the OP is his own story that he has posted without the slightest piece of evidence. I do not believe the $7 story and I am convinced he is an alt-account that is attention seeking. He does not even have a transaction id therefore why should he be believed?

Though it is not impossible the incident occurred, the manner in which he posted responses when questioned was sufficient for me to base my conclusion.

It cannot be whirlwind.money. This mixer relies on a multi-signature address as all deposits go to this address https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/bc1qf8h5k6sash8007vpesymxkw2xsg5d0r3j4l5vmcrwpz2pqu66fjstzgd3r The balance of this address is zero and it has not received deposits since July.
.money mixers are only Mixy and mixtura but mixtura didn't have an advertising campaign here.

Perhaps he found a few coins in the gutter and decided to give them a good "scrubbing" to remove the patina of "dirty money". Haha!



OK, now that we know it was CM, it's blatantly obvious that you deliberately lied here. Not only was CM the most widely used mixing service at the time, but it clearly stated its minimum mixing requirement (the minimum chip size) of 0.001 BTC on the deposit page when you start a mix, not just in the FAQ section. And, there was never a "50 page policy" or confusing terms of use, but a simple FAQ with a few simple and clear Q&A, easily accessible from the front page. Their transparency was crystal clear, yet you chose to ignore it.

It was CM. Quite funny... umm, I mean sad, isn't it? With all of those precaution he made, and he failed to consult to the FAQ which link was literaly at the bottom of CM's page. If only we know why OP bother to send 7 USD and concerned for the privacy of that amount.

He didn't even remember the name of the mixer, not that he followed any of their instructions. I think the most vital information is to know which mixer we are talking about, it's all speculation now. His whole theory that he came up with to spit on mixer services would fall apart if he were on a scam site.

OMG!!! I'm glad we can zero it in!!! Yeaiii...!!!

It's all thanks to your big effort to dig waybackmachine [certainly because you didn't know that every posts in this forum is archived by a dedicated website], and probably some luck is being involved here, that you browse in mobile that you notice the date of the edit, because if you use desktop, you'll have to hover to the date of the post to know when did a post got edited, most likely not something a newbie will notice.

But, alas! If only you did the same effort you did now to dig that name as before when you tried to mix your coin, you'll notice the minimum amount to be mixed was specifically informed on the FAQ, just mere clicks away. Seems like a wasted effort, is it not? You spent time to look for the legitimacy of mixer, use disposable email, mask every trace, etc. to ensure your privacy, but you ultimately stumbled upon a problem just because of something that can be discovered in less than thirty seconds. Ackk...



What were you thinking at that time, anyway? Sending 7 USD? You must be in a rush? Ohh, you're a silly, silly one, aren't you? You put a big sweet-as-sugar smile in me with your clumsiness, you even did not notice the minimum amount, although you've check that thread last year during your research, and it mentioned that info?

if you don't know what to do, you can move on, you've learned your lesson, read ToS and do your own research before using a service it can save you a lot of trouble. in the future, if you have some doubts about a service you want to use, you can ask here in the forum.

Yes, he is just creating drama here and not interested to provide necessary information so that this matter can be looked into carefully. He must has used browser where he open mixers site and can check history to locate the mixer name. Also as you mentioned letter of guarantee is first thing that we save when mixing but OP completely ignoring members reply.


Are you not dare enough to start btc mixing without checking the recent list and you even don't know the name of the mixer? you can go through page because all mixers are individually suggested by other members which later added to main Thread.

Weird how chipmixer looks monkey or related?
Do you have any more evidence that you mix coins on ChipMixer? Link Backup or letter of guarantee.

He doesn't care he just wants to make this thread a long story short. Look his not a newbie he knows how to link on the other thread manually so it means he has already been here for a long time with his alt account .

The OP was never interested in knowing the name of the mixer he allegedly lost $7 with while he was mixing. Or to make it more, when someone created a thread (especially Scam Accusation) and does not even provide any evidence it cannot be taken seriously.

Furthermore, when the one accusing is then asked to provide evidence but all that is presented are more ramblings rather than coherent statements (but evidence is conveniently missing), it all points to this being an attention-seeking exercise by the OP.

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I think you got it! Chipmixer. Monkey = chimp = chip. Funny how the brain works  
I went back to the thread holydarkness suggested I look at to which I said none of the mixers on it rang a bell and noticed that even though that post was made in 2018, that list was updated just a few days ago. So I figured the mixer I used could have been removed from the list. But I remember going through that list last year when I was looking up the legitimacy of the mixer before using them. It was on that list.

So I got on wayback machine, clicked on 2022, May...and Viola! Right there at the beginning of the list. Just looking at the name might not have rang a bell but seeing that banner definitely did (which is what I was hoping for...to be able to see their logo or the site because photographic memory works much better).

So yeah...I'm %90 sure that was it! Though I don't know what to do with this discovery now, especially considering they are now defunct. Appreciate it though! 🙏

And holydarkness you got me invested in this way more than I was posting it haha. Thanks for your efforts 🙏 Appreciate it!

Nope, Mixy is not the only one. The criteria where it has something similar to "money" and had advertised here but no longer did so was also shared by WW, and WW should make more sense, given it have more massive campaign and logically reached wider audience. But nope, not WW. And should not be mixy either, as OP already gave this thread a read [it has list of mixers] and none rings a bell, and the thread has mixy on its list.

Right, OP? None of the mixer on that list, or anyone suggested here sounds familiar? Including any on this list suggested by NotATether? But it's not important anymore, is it? You're not really interested to know their name anymore, are you?

The FAQ has very clear instructions on what the minimum amount is and the OP should have just read it - but these new generations think reading is a waste of time and then accuse someone of scamming them out of the entire $7

In addition, why would someone want to mix such a small amount - especially if we take into account that these days, in some moments, the fee for confirmation in the next block amounts to more than that amount. In other words, to refund such a small amount would mean that the mixer has to pay out of his own pocket because someone failed to read the FAQ.

Do you mean ][banned mixer]? It's the only mixer you can describe. They had a campaign of signatures and stopped advertising.

The minimum limit for this mixer is 0.003 BTC, which is equal to $125.71 at current prices. It is a little high. I tried to mix and there is actually no warning about the minimum. Have you downloaded the letter of guarantee?

use them ANN topic to ask them about your money, they may refund you https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/banned-mixer-the-cutest-bitcoin-mixer-5457664 or at least add warning massage.

https://[banned mixer]/#faq

The OP is a fantasist, the incident in question is something he decided to post about after making up the whole story.

If you thoroughly through all of his replies you will see that he has been completely evasive about providing any evidence. Somehow, he cannot state the URL or website name, he cannot provide proof from the blockchain and he will continue to post nonsense here.

Please do not give this OP alt-account further oxygen, he is clearly attention-seeking while posting nonsense.

We need to try to establish what site it is first.

Was it one of the mixers on this list? https://bitmixlist.com

Was it ChipMixer? (Web Archive link)

It was last year so it is possible you may have visited that site then.

Hmm... so this is what we get so far, the mixer was around about last year, you were made aware about them from the signature campaign they had, most likely not WW.money, although they probably has "monkey" or something alike in their name, you wanted to test their efficacy because you trusted this forum's reputation and thought every campaign here were vetted [they're not]. This is new account, and given you show cluelessness [not knowing what a signature campaign called, not familiar with the mixer] I'll boldly assume this is your only account and you're reading on guest mode this far, or at least that's the impression being casted here.

Now, you're someone that seemingly know what to do, given you took precaution with disposable email prior to emailing them, tails, etc. and I assume that 7 USD was meant to be a test-send, because I don't think someone will bother themselves with a concern of privacy and look for a way to mix their token for 7 USD, so yeah, most likely 7 USD in this story is for a test send.

Yet, it's quite out of character is it not, for someone who made so many step, know what to do prior to mix [those whole tails, etc.] to not being aware that 7 USD is considerably low to be mixed? Or to look for the minimum requirement? Or that have not even the slightest idea of the platform they will use, thus barely remember the name? The very same platform that managed to raise so much fury in him [for 7 USD, nonetheless] that he wanted to make a thorough post about them, but unfortunately can't do so because he procrastinate it.

Every mixer has a minimum and if you send less than that it is treated as a donation. Even at Bitcoin's lowest price in the past year, $7 would have at max gotten you around 0.00043 BTC which is well below the minimum required by every mixer that is well known in the forum. That's not even enough to cover the fees at most mixers. You should have read their terms carefully.

I addressed this several comments up.

so you emailed them? wouldn't their email address have the name of their mixer? from what I have noticed, all mixer's email addresses that receive complaints, inquiries, etc... usually contain the name of the mixer's name, if you sent them an email I am almost certain you can find out the name of the mixer that you supposedly used last year.

That's why I didn't include it in the OP. I was answering someone else. Why tell me that? Quote the person who asked it.

BTW, how do you multi-quote? Seems to be a a complicated process   

And here comes another one. There is zero evidence provided by the OP except his word. He claims he cannot remember the name of the mixer yet "monkey" could be part of it.

If there is no evidence there is no scam accusation, it is that simple. Also, by the way the OP is responding to questions from members it shows he is yet another newbie who clearly is not a newbie and has nothing better to do with his time than create threads to pretend he is new to the forum.

There's no point in making a scam accusation without knowing who it was. Refresh your memory or lock this topic.

But the question is, how do we know you're telling the truth if you can't even remember the name of the mixer? Maybe you also forgot their terms or didn't even read them before using the service? Try to remember which mixer it was.


That's not important. It could have been $70, or even $700; that's irrelevant.
What matters is the minimum amount specified in their terms

Trust me, I read through all the replies before I posted
My point is, how is this a valid accusation if we don't even know the name of the service you are talking about?

You didn't even download any letter of guarantee that could have been generated right before you sent your coins?

A mixer that has no name. Is that the answer?

If you take a moment go through the comments here, you'd see that I've already addressed all your points

It would be better if you pointed out the mixer that “scammed” you. Without that, there is no way of establishing whether the minimum required deposit amount banner or warning was visible or not. I mean, if you were not even keen enough to recall the mixer you used, then there is a high probability you ignored the required minimum warning or worse, you use a phishing site.

Most of the mixers I know here have that minimum warning right before you send your Bitcoins.

That's not my question. Why deflect it?


Seems to me that you have a horse in this race. Definitely doesn't seem to be coming from a perspective of someone from my side of the counter.

Would it be better if it was more noticeable? Of course it would.

With that being said, if that happened to me, first and foremost I would blame myself for not checking everything thoroughly and seeing it as a lesson, instead claiming that they "stole my coins".

2016  years ago when coin was worth 1 k

or 2021 when coin was worth 69 k

saying it was 7 at the time is not a big help

Correct. One time = that time. And that time no longer is.


Umm, no that's not it. I'm not %100 sure there is monkey in their name, but somehow my brain is saying there was.


Weird. No bells ringing  . I don't think it's listed there.

I appreciate your detective initiative btw. Honestly not expecting it to go anywhere. I guess the best I expected was to gain some insight from others who've had similar experiences.

I never heard of any BTC mixer with monkey on their domain name I tried to search but I couldn't find any.

You might be talking about Banano mixer? Someone mentioned it here on the forum but it's not for BTC it's for Banano.

Source here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51947827


Most of mixer tells you first on the home page how much the required amount before you deposit so if the mixer you use never tells you how much even on their faqs it's their fault and they should send your BTC back to your wallet minus the transaction fees.

I suggest check your browser history and maybe the mixer you talking about is still there and post the exact domain name here so that we can check if they never told you about the required amount.

Err... if you use everything single time [which, understandable], how did you plan to get notified by them? I assume you hold that address for few days to wait for their response and got nothing?

Alright, let's do the manual labor and fumble in the dark. First of all, I believe it's not "monkey", but rather "money", like whirlwind.money? Am I getting warmer? Spot on? A mixer which previously had a campaign here and had "money" on their name should be whirlwind. That said, just to consider another alternative, do you mind checking this thread and give the opening post a read? See if it ring any bell?

If someone is using a mixer then they are privacy oriented, and thus would take other precautionary measures to maintain their privacy...one time dedicated email...Tails...etc. Everything was one time and I can't remember them (not that I've memorized them to begin with).
I could go through my Linux Live USB that has since been inactive and dig up the wallet I used to send the coins and try to trace them through their address (if its even possible) but that's work I'm not willing to put in for $7. If a lawyer contacted me for potential lawsuit however...

So yeah, I didn't post this expecting a resolution, but merely out of contempt when i remembered them (when I saw the mixer ad) while trying to ask about the efficacy of mixers

Let's start from trying to narrowing down the mixer, shall we? Though you don't remember their name, you've emailed them, you should be able to dig their name from your outbox. Can you do that?

Not exactly. They didn't contact me back. It was a message that appeared after paying saying see ya sucka.

Obviously not in that verbiage but might as well have been.

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Question to you... Let's assume that is true and that it was indeed in the FAQ. My question, to you, is... such vital piece of info, why put it there and not clearly on the page of purchase?

They usually have it in FAQ section and not buried somewhere in TOS, written in small letters. And conveniently, you don't even remember the name of the mixer so we can check it out.


Doesn't make much sense to loose potential customer by stealing $7. Unless its a straight up scam mixer that is stealing everyone's money.

i know it's none of my business as how much you want to mix but you mixed $7 worth of BTC last year and you only complain today not even remembering the name of the mixer. no way you can move this to the scam accusation forum

well like they said it is already considered a donation. they couldn't stop you from sending the coins though so it's not their fault that they accepted it. maybe they will consider returning if you immediately let them know.

Anywhere on their site??
If it is a fine print hidden somewhere, or in their terms and conditions or policy of 50 pages instead of boldly in front of you when you are paying, would that be a "hey! Its your fault. They told you"...?

I remember...a) not seeing it and b) actively looking for it after paying thinking stupid me didn't notice but still not seeing it. And no, I did not comb through their site and terms and conditions to search or any indications that I would be had. I expected a legit business to make sure to make such things clear from the git go. The only reason you wouldn't is to scam people in some shape or form and to some extent.

In all of this your claim, you should at least have something that can show that you really did a transaction with them. Advertising a mixer campaign here does not guarantee that it will be completely effective. The fault could be yours or theirs, but without providing sufficient information and proof of the transaction between the two parties, your accusation is worthless. You are accusing a service of stealing by failing to refund your coin. You must ensure that your claim is true before proceeding so that other members can investigate the accusation you've just made about being duped by the mixer.

From his post it seems he didn’t meet up with the minimum amount and his coins were considered as a donation as just as you mentioned. He even contacted them regarding his issue and he was told his deposit was not up to the minimum required amount.

He obviously didn’t read about the platform before making use of their services which is a very bad habit. It is like a rule and there is no excuse for not knowing about it, they believe you should read about their services and how they operate before making use of their platform.

I don’t think you were scammed OP, you lost your coins because of your carelessness and i am sure you must have learned your lesson now so next time before making use of any platform you should carry out proper research about them.

But if you were to be scammed as you claimed you should make the name of the company known to everyone and also a clear proof so they can confirm the authenticity of your claims.

 This story sounds a bit untrue because how can you do business with a mixer without knowing the name? The forum is a trusted space doesn't mean you shouldn't do your research first. So with this complaint you are making and you can't provide a name, how can we help you? So you use a coin mixer advertised here and from the looks of things, you probably did not read their TOS and it seems quite obvious you didn't check anything about them, you just doled your coins. Well if you want your story to look believable, you need to do what @Phillipma suggested.

Did you read ToS of the mixer? And besides most mixers always make sure to write the minimum amount that a user can mix at the top of the page during the process of mixing so there’s a high chance that you didn’t pay much attention to it.

As long as we don’t have the link of the site to verify if everything you have written here is correct or if you are the one that made an error and now you’re just trying to blame it on the mixer for now clearly stating the minimum amount.

Fair! But the question and point is...WHY WAS THIS NOT CLEARLY STATED BEFOREHAND?! it's not a given like beef is to burgers.

Have a look at my comment above to Cantsay. It was $7.

Firstly how are we to believe this is not one story you made up, you did not mention the name of which mixer you got scammed on, neither did you show some evidence to prove you were scammed.
Even if you had such evidence, it has been said here always do your own research don't just stupidly trust anything advertised here or trust any member based on their rank. This shows you haven't even been paying attention to the forum in the first place.

if you sent them 7 dollars worth of BTC what was BTC worth when you sent it.

and you should have complained the week you sent it.

Consider that lost money due to your own inability to properly follow up.

most mixers have a TOS.  
Did you read the TOS?
Did you screen shot it?
Do you have proof of the send?

none of the above means you set yourself up.


Here is a screenshot of a mixer's page. look at minimum number you need to send 0.001 btc that is around 42 dollars as I post.

If you do not have this info from any mixer do not use it.
$7 is a cheap learning lesson for you.
To know what you are doing.

1) Have the name of the company
2) The link to it.
3) The TOS screen shot
4) screen shot of your send
5) tx of your send

so if you have none of that we can't help you much at all.

$7 spent to learn to document what you are doing.

I don't remember it's name. It might have had "monkey" in its name. It's not the one being advertised now (or maybe it still is but it is not appearing to me). I'm sure there aren't hundreds of mixers that advertised here so if you or anyone can list the ones that advertised here, I am certain seeing the name again would ring a bell. This was last year. The amount they took was $7 worth at the time. I remember I was going make a post at the time but was procrastinating because of the effort I had to put in into making a thorough post (because I was really pissed at the time and I wanted to make a really good post) but obviously I never got to it. I emailed them when it happened but they didn't get back to me.

Right now I was looking into using a mixer again and while posting my last post I realized there is another mixer being advertised here. I was going to make a post titled "Are mixers %100 effective?"...my footnote of this post...but then my previous experience came back to me so the title and post changed.

I'm also certain I am not the only one this happened to so I guess the purpose of this post is just to put it out there and see what others experiences were, if they manages to get their money back, how, what happened to that site...etc.

Are you absolutely sure that they didn't mention anywhere on the site what's the minimum amount that are willing to mix? Somehow I doubt that. And by the way, nothing would have happend if you mentioned the name of the mixer.


Scam,s are not moderated here on bitcointalk so even if you see some service havinga signature camoaign, it doesn't mean that its legit. You always have to do your own research.

Mixers have minimum amount of coins that they can mix. If you do not send up to that minimum amount for mixing, it would be considered as donation.

The minimum deposit can be 0.002 BTC.

Let us know the amount of the coin that you sent for mixing, and the name of the mixer.

Does the mixer you used not have a name? Moved your post to scam accusation board and make a good thread there because right now your post is good as nothing, no name, no proof that you actually sent a coin to the mixer, no proof that your coin actually met the minimum amount that can be mixed…

If you want good response and possibly solution to your issue then do the needful by editing and adding the necessary information.

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This is the proper format you’re supposed to use.

I used the coin mixer that is advertised here (the ads that appear below posts). I sent them my coins to mix and then they told me the coins I sent were not enough and that there is a certain minimum amount required to use their service. But they didn't say that anywhere BEFORE sending my coins. They happily accepted them AND THEN tell me about this requirement. So OK, give me back my coins then, but nope! They kept it!

This place being popular I just stupidly trusted them thinking since they are allowed to advertise here that they are somehow vetted by this site. But stupid me don't even know if this site itself is clean.

Are mixers %100 effective anyway??