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Topic: The Colossal Hoax Of Organic Agriculture (Read 677 times)

legendary
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July 31, 2015, 06:23:44 PM
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There's no fighting it. We're eating GMOs and will continue to eat them for the rest of our lives.
With a longer and longer and longer life expectancy...

 Smiley

That would be sad if I believed it.

Half of All Children Will Be Autistic by 2025, Warns Senior Research Scientist at MIT

"Why? Evidence points to glyphosate toxicity from the overuse of Monsanto’s Roundup herbicide on our food."

Rising Global Cancer Epidemic



I am curious, why would you reply to an issue about GMO by referencing a herbicide issue?

And then you reference cancer incidence rates, which has no obvious relation either to GMO...
Glyphosate /Roundup herbicide is part of the package for Monsanto Roundup-ready seeds. Roundup will kill all plants except which are Roundup ready (GMO, because of the introduction of EPSPS gene from a bacterium).

btw, I have observed many consumers think GMO is a kind of hybridization / feature selection.
GMO involves  inserting genetic code (dna) from one organism into an unrelated organism. (e.g. DNA from bacterium into plants (eggplant) to produce foreign proteins which are usually insecticidal).
Hybridization is selecting good genetic traits in the same genome, no genetic code from another organism is involved.



No.

A GMO can be created both by using material from another species (transgenic) or from the same species (cisgenic).

As for Monsanto, well they are a bit of a shitty company. Eg their Roundup and terminator seed business models are very exploitative to poor farmers. But the fact that they're assholes doesn't make GMOs inherently bad. In fact, all the evidence points to no health risks.


Everything was organic during the "Dark ages"... To live until 39 was a full life...


legendary
Activity: 1188
Merit: 1016
There's no fighting it. We're eating GMOs and will continue to eat them for the rest of our lives.
With a longer and longer and longer life expectancy...

 Smiley

That would be sad if I believed it.

Half of All Children Will Be Autistic by 2025, Warns Senior Research Scientist at MIT

"Why? Evidence points to glyphosate toxicity from the overuse of Monsanto’s Roundup herbicide on our food."

Rising Global Cancer Epidemic



I am curious, why would you reply to an issue about GMO by referencing a herbicide issue?

And then you reference cancer incidence rates, which has no obvious relation either to GMO...
Glyphosate /Roundup herbicide is part of the package for Monsanto Roundup-ready seeds. Roundup will kill all plants except which are Roundup ready (GMO, because of the introduction of EPSPS gene from a bacterium).

btw, I have observed many consumers think GMO is a kind of hybridization / feature selection.
GMO involves  inserting genetic code (dna) from one organism into an unrelated organism. (e.g. DNA from bacterium into plants (eggplant) to produce foreign proteins which are usually insecticidal).
Hybridization is selecting good genetic traits in the same genome, no genetic code from another organism is involved.



No.

A GMO can be created both by using material from another species (transgenic) or from the same species (cisgenic).

As for Monsanto, well they are a bit of a shitty company. Eg their Roundup and terminator seed business models are very exploitative to poor farmers. But the fact that they're assholes doesn't make GMOs inherently bad. In fact, all the evidence points to no health risks.
legendary
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legendary
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There's no fighting it. We're eating GMOs and will continue to eat them for the rest of our lives.
With a longer and longer and longer life expectancy...

 Smiley

That would be sad if I believed it.

Half of All Children Will Be Autistic by 2025, Warns Senior Research Scientist at MIT

"Why? Evidence points to glyphosate toxicity from the overuse of Monsanto’s Roundup herbicide on our food."

Rising Global Cancer Epidemic



I am curious, why would you reply to an issue about GMO by referencing a herbicide issue?

And then you reference cancer incidence rates, which has no obvious relation either to GMO...
Glyphosate /Roundup herbicide is part of the package for Monsanto Roundup-ready seeds. Roundup will kill all plants except which are Roundup ready (GMO, because of the introduction of EPSPS gene from a bacterium).

btw, I have observed many consumers think GMO is a kind of hybridization / feature selection.
GMO involves  inserting genetic code (dna) from one organism into an unrelated organism. (e.g. DNA from bacterium into plants (eggplant) to produce foreign proteins which are usually insecticidal).
Hybridization is selecting good genetic traits in the same genome, no genetic code from another organism is involved.


Interesting.  Clearly an area where study of possible ill effects is warranted.

But should the products be banned on the basis of the precautionary principle?
legendary
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There's no fighting it. We're eating GMOs and will continue to eat them for the rest of our lives.
With a longer and longer and longer life expectancy...

 Smiley

That would be sad if I believed it.

Half of All Children Will Be Autistic by 2025, Warns Senior Research Scientist at MIT

"Why? Evidence points to glyphosate toxicity from the overuse of Monsanto’s Roundup herbicide on our food."

Rising Global Cancer Epidemic



I am curious, why would you reply to an issue about GMO by referencing a herbicide issue?

And then you reference cancer incidence rates, which has no obvious relation either to GMO...
Glyphosate /Roundup herbicide is part of the package for Monsanto Roundup-ready seeds. Roundup will kill all plants except which are Roundup ready (GMO, because of the introduction of EPSPS gene from a bacterium).

btw, I have observed many consumers think GMO is a kind of hybridization / feature selection.
GMO involves  inserting genetic code (dna) from one organism into an unrelated organism. (e.g. DNA from bacterium into plants (eggplant) to produce foreign proteins which are usually insecticidal).
Hybridization is selecting good genetic traits in the same genome, no genetic code from another organism is involved.

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There's no fighting it. We're eating GMOs and will continue to eat them for the rest of our lives.
With a longer and longer and longer life expectancy...

 Smiley

That would be sad if I believed it.

Half of All Children Will Be Autistic by 2025, Warns Senior Research Scientist at MIT

"Why? Evidence points to glyphosate toxicity from the overuse of Monsanto’s Roundup herbicide on our food."

Rising Global Cancer Epidemic



I am curious, why would you reply to an issue about GMO by referencing a herbicide issue?

And then you reference cancer incidence rates, which has no obvious relation either to GMO...

Notice the company Monsanto in the quote above. They create GMOs and pesticides. They have their hands over almost everything (if not everything) related to agriculture and getting GMO foods out there)


Dark History of Monsanto

"Monsanto is one of the largest pharmaceutical and agricultural companies that producers a wide range of genetically modified foods and seeds, drugs and pesticides and herbicides. This multibillion dollar company has branches in 100 different countries and is the main producer of genetically modified crops and seeds in the world."

The house in the US also passed a bill recently that would make it illegal to label GMO food, and, I believe to sue Monsanto, in particular.
legendary
Activity: 2912
Merit: 1386
There's no fighting it. We're eating GMOs and will continue to eat them for the rest of our lives.
With a longer and longer and longer life expectancy...

 Smiley

That would be sad if I believed it.

Half of All Children Will Be Autistic by 2025, Warns Senior Research Scientist at MIT

"Why? Evidence points to glyphosate toxicity from the overuse of Monsanto’s Roundup herbicide on our food."

Rising Global Cancer Epidemic



I am curious, why would you reply to an issue about GMO by referencing a herbicide issue?

And then you reference cancer incidence rates, which has no obvious relation either to GMO...
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
There's no fighting it. We're eating GMOs and will continue to eat them for the rest of our lives.
With a longer and longer and longer life expectancy...

 Smiley

That would be sad if I believed it.

Half of All Children Will Be Autistic by 2025, Warns Senior Research Scientist at MIT

"Why? Evidence points to glyphosate toxicity from the overuse of Monsanto’s Roundup herbicide on our food."

Rising Global Cancer Epidemic

legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon
There's no fighting it. We're eating GMOs and will continue to eat them for the rest of our lives.


With a longer and longer and longer life expectancy...

 Smiley

hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
There's no fighting it. We're eating GMOs and will continue to eat them for the rest of our lives.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon







Consumers of organic foods are getting both more and less than they bargained for. On both counts, it’s not good.

Many people who pay the huge premium—often more than a hundred percent–for organic foods do so because they’re afraid of pesticides.  If that’s their rationale, they misunderstand the nuances of organic agriculture. Although it’s true that synthetic chemical pesticides are generally prohibited, there is a lengthy list of exceptions listed in the Organic Foods Production Act, while most “natural” ones are permitted. However, “organic” pesticides can be toxic.  As evolutionary biologist Christie Wilcox explained in a 2012 Scientific American article (“Are lower pesticide residues a good reason to buy organic? Probably not.”): “Organic pesticides pose the same health risks as non-organic ones.”

Another poorly recognized aspect of this issue is that the vast majority of pesticidal substances that we consume are in our diets “naturally” and are present in organic foods as well as non-organic ones. In a classic study, UC Berkeley biochemist Bruce Ames and his colleagues found that “99.99 percent (by weight) of the pesticides in the American diet are chemicals that plants produce to defend themselves.” Moreover, “natural and synthetic chemicals are equally likely to be positive in animal cancer tests.” Thus, consumers who buy organic to avoid pesticide exposure are focusing their attention on just one-hundredth of one percent of the pesticides they consume.

Some consumers think that the USDA National Organic Program (NOP) requires certified organic products to be free of ingredients from “GMOs,” organisms crafted with molecular techniques of genetic engineering. Wrong again. USDA does not require organic products to be GMO-free. (In any case, the methods used to create so-called GMOs are an extension, or refinement, of older techniques for genetic modification that have been used for a century or more.) As USDA officials have said repeatedly:

Organic certification is process-based. That is, certifying agents attest to the ability of organic operations to follow a set of production standards and practices which meet the requirements of the Organic Foods Production Act of 1990 and the [National Organic Program] regulations . . . If all aspects of the organic production or handling process were followed correctly, then the presence of detectable residue from a genetically modified organism alone does not constitute a violation of this regulation. [emphasis added]

Putting it another way, so long as an organic farmer abides by his organic system (production) plan–a plan that an organic certifying agent must approve before granting the farmer organic status–the unintentional presence of GMOs (or, for that matter, prohibited synthetic pesticides) in any amount does not affect the organic status of the farmer’s products or farm.

Under only two circumstances does USDA sanction the testing of organic products for prohibited residues (such as pesticides, synthetic fertilizers or antibiotics) or excluded substances (e.g., genetically engineered organisms). First, USDA’s National Organic Production Standards support the testing of products if an organic-certifying agent believes that the farmer is intentionally using prohibited substances or practices. And second, USDA requires that certifying agents test five percent of their certified operations each year. The certifying agents themselves determine which operations will be subjected to testing.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/henrymiller/2015/07/29/why-organic-agriculture-is-a-colossal-hoax/



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