The curious case of the Brand New user with posts

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Quote from: Xal0lex on October 10, 2022, 01:18:23 PM

Yes, that's right.

Thank you for confirmation.

Quote from: Xal0lex on October 10, 2022, 01:18:23 PM

I can't say for sure, but I think Trashcan is cleaned manually.

This seems most likely, since, as far as I see, those posts remained there for years now...

Quote from: Xal0lex on October 10, 2022, 01:18:23 PM

For one reason or another, moderators may delete the topic immediately or move it to trashcan. In this case, the moderators act at their discretion.

Perhaps, in this case, it was a good approach, considering that theymos also initiated that topic, where his intention was to compile more information about this user.

So, in this case, perhaps he wanted to keep somewhere posts made by humanrightsfoundation's alternative account too... Or maybe he kept these posts until finding a way to make sure if that account was indeed an alt account of humanrightsfoundation... who knows. Anyway, the important part is that we found out why those posts still appear on AIbotBTC's profile. I think I can close the topic now.

The only inconsistency remaining is the one spotted by Halab, but I think it's too minor to keep the topic open.

Thank you all for helping in understanding this issue!

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on October 10, 2022, 10:49:35 AM

Quote from: Xal0lex on October 06, 2022, 12:33:24 PM

You are correct. All of AIbotBTC user's posts were in one single topic, the topic was moved to Trashcan. And since Trashcan is not available to ordinary users, then, accordingly, all his posts are not visible to the ordinary user, but they are displayed in the user's profile, as they have not been completely removed from the forum.

So let me see if I understand this right: so if a user's posts arrive, for some reasons, in Trashcan (either after having posts reported or if mods themselves decide to move the posts there), they still appear on user's profile but are not accessible anymore by regular users, right?

Yes, that's right.

Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on October 10, 2022, 10:49:35 AM

If it is so, then why are some posts just moved there and not also deleted for good...? As far as I understand, this Trashcan acts like Windows' Recycle Bin. Are the posts supposed to be kept there for a certain amount of time...? Or some are not deleted at all and being kept as maybe they will be useful in the future, for some reasons...?

For one reason or another, moderators may delete the topic immediately or move it to trashcan. In this case, the moderators act at their discretion. Plus, moving a topic to trashcan allows global moderators to restore that topic at any time. If a moderator deletes the topic, they will have to contact theymos to restore it, only he can restore the topic in that case if needed.

I can't say for sure, but I think Trashcan is cleaned manually.

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Quote from: FatFork on October 08, 2022, 03:31:31 AM

The fact that the user is banned, I think, has nothing to do with his post count (except in the case when the user is nuked).

Yes, this is also what I thought of...

Quote from: Xal0lex on October 06, 2022, 12:33:24 PM

You are correct. All of AIbotBTC user's posts were in one single topic, the topic was moved to Trashcan. And since Trashcan is not available to ordinary users, then, accordingly, all his posts are not visible to the ordinary user, but they are displayed in the user's profile, as they have not been completely removed from the forum.

So let me see if I understand this right: so if a user's posts arrive, for some reasons, in Trashcan (either after having posts reported or if mods themselves decide to move the posts there), they still appear on user's profile but are not accessible anymore by regular users, right? If it is so, then why are some posts just moved there and not also deleted for good...? As far as I understand, this Trashcan acts like Windows' Recycle Bin. Are the posts supposed to be kept there for a certain amount of time...? Or some are not deleted at all and being kept as maybe they will be useful in the future, for some reasons...?

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 07, 2022, 10:16:12 AM

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 07, 2022, 10:16:12 AM

That's a weird find, OP, but I'm much more interested in what those deleted posts were all about, and what the deal was with humanrightsfoundation. I remember that username, but for the life of me I can't remember what kind of drama he was involved with, or when. I guess that would be an off-topic discussion, but I'm still curious and I'll have to take a look at their profile.

You can see the posts using Ninjastic.space.

As for the connection between AIbotBTC and humanrightsfoundation, AIbotBTC was one of the multiple alternative accounts of humanrightsfoundation (more details here). If you are interested in reading all idiotic things humanrightfoundation said during time, you can do it here: humanrightsfoundation. It's a topic initiated by theymos himself, regarding this scmmer which was also making threats.

Quote from: Halab on October 08, 2022, 12:46:19 PM

I see 13 posts of AIbotBTC from the topic "Taproot fraud" in the trashcan, so he has not been nuked.
On the other hand, there is a gap between the number of posts on his profile (12) and the number of posts in the trashcan (13). I don't really understand, but it does not stop the forum from working

.

Maybe investigating the other profiles (the ones mentioned by Ddmr) may bring some light on this one too...?

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I find your lack of faith in Bitcoin disturbing.

I see 13 posts of AIbotBTC from the topic "Taproot fraud" in the trashcan, so he has not been nuked.
On the other hand, there is a gap between the number of posts on his profile (12) and the number of posts in the trashcan (13). I don't really understand, but it does not stop the forum from working

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on October 07, 2022, 09:59:58 AM

Thank you for your inputs so far!

I see that several of you mentioned that the user is banned... but I don't understand something: is there any connection between being banned and having those posts hidden...? I don't think there is any relevance of the user being banned / autobanned or even if he was not banned at all... Am I missing something here?

Besides, if his posts are in trashcan... shouldn't their number be shown as 0? Perhaps a mod can bring more light here...?

According to Ninjastic.space, the user has made a total of 17 posts. 13 of those posts were made in one topic (topic=5339925 ^[archive]), while the other 4 posts were made in other topics. According to this, I assume that the user's post count changes only if individual posts are deleted, but not if the entire topic is moved to a recycle board, because, technically, those posts are not deleted, but only hidden from the public. Also, hosseinimr93 mentioned that theymos periodically performs post count maintenance, because "there are several bugs which cause the post count to drift from its real value over time." ^[reference] It is possible that this is one of those bugs.

The fact that the user is banned, I think, has nothing to do with his post count (except in the case when the user is nuked).

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on October 07, 2022, 11:41:03 AM

Dammit! It all were in the mind and I did not crosscheck before making the post. Was I right about Investigation board?

I just made a search to find the answer and couldn't find anything. But it seems that posts made in "Investigations" board are counted and you were right about that.
For instance, notblox1 has made this post in "Investigations" board. If you check his post count, you will see that his post count is equal to number of posts displayed in his post history. If posts made in "Investigations" board weren't counted, his post post count would be lower.

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on October 07, 2022, 11:37:36 AM

You are wrong here.
Posts made in "Serious Discussion" and "Ivory Tower" boards don't increase your post count at all.
For more information, see the post made by below.

Quote from: theymos on January 10, 2018, 12:15:10 PM

- Posts in Serious Discussion only activate a potential-activity period. They do not increase your post count.
- Posts in Ivory Tower neither activate a potential-activity period nor increase your post count.

Dammit! It all were in the mind and I did not crosscheck before making the post. Was I right about Investigation board?

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on October 07, 2022, 11:07:36 AM

On Serious discussion and Ivory Tower it's the same logic but that's for below Full member rank. So everyone can see the post and activity count but they can not see the posts that they are not allowed to access.

You are wrong here.
Posts made in "Serious Discussion" and "Ivory Tower" boards don't increase your post count at all.
For more information, see the post made by theymos.

Quote from: theymos on January 10, 2018, 12:15:10 PM

- Posts in Serious Discussion only activate a potential-activity period. They do not increase your post count.
- Posts in Ivory Tower neither activate a potential-activity period nor increase your post count.

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on October 07, 2022, 09:59:58 AM

Besides, if his posts are in trashcan... shouldn't their number be shown as 0? Perhaps a mod can bring more light here...?

Technically no, the number will show exactly the number of posts they made.
Compare it with Investigation board, Serious discussion, Ivory Tower. If you make a post in Investigation board then below members can not see it but they see the post and activity count. On Serious discussion and Ivory Tower it's the same logic but that's for below Full member rank. So everyone can see the post and activity count but they can not see the posts that they are not allowed to access.

Edit:
I am a bit in doubt about activity now after looking at the AIbotBTC activity has not been updated yet. Mod can answer on this but my guess will be when theymos scripted the activity feature then he excluded trashcan from counting it. Have in mind the SMF default feature does not have an activity module, theymos himself designed the module.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on October 07, 2022, 10:27:28 AM

I think that I've seen before at least one user being banned and all their posts being obliterated. But I don't remember details.

Moderators use the "nuke" feature if they want all the posts to be deleted and the user banned, but I don't think this is what caused the wrong post count.
According to modlog, this user is the last user who has been nuked. As you see in his/her profile, the post count is correct.

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Wait there's more about his/her activities, why is this happening even though he/she made 12 post counted but why is that his/her activity still Zero? Is there anything wrong about this account?
Because as What I know correct me if I am wrong that the activity calculated after an hour by our post which means if we made post and after a few minutes or an hour activity will increase. But in his/her situation as we can saw in this profile it has Zero activity.

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on October 07, 2022, 09:59:58 AM

I see that several of you mentioned that the user is banned... but I don't understand something: is there any connection between being banned and having those posts hidden...?

I think that I've seen before at least one user being banned and all their posts being obliterated. But I don't remember details.
So I would say that yes, there must be a coneection.

And from what I see in the trust feedback, the mentioned user was evading a ban, so probably it's part of some automatic "punishment" that didn't manage to "reset" everything.

Maybe a mod knows more...

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on October 07, 2022, 09:59:58 AM

Besides, if his posts are in trashcan... shouldn't their number be shown as 0? Perhaps a mod can bring more light here...?

I am not sure, but their post count may be corrected once theymos does a recount.
See the post I quoted below.

Quote from: theymos on August 06, 2019, 10:04:12 PM

Quote from: theymos on March 10, 2018, 08:30:54 PM

I did a recount of post counts earlier today. There are several bugs which cause the post count to drift from its real value over time. The current count is the accurate one.

I do recounts from time to time.

Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on October 07, 2022, 09:59:58 AM

Perhaps there was a glitch at some point, due to which these users were not ranked up...?

Although those posts have been counted, their activity is zero and that's why they haven't ranked up.

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Quote from: Xal0lex on October 06, 2022, 12:33:24 PM

You are correct. All of AIbotBTC user's posts were in one single topic, the topic was moved to Trashcan. And since Trashcan is not available to ordinary users, then, accordingly, all his posts are not visible to the ordinary user, but they are displayed in the user's profile, as they have not been completely removed from the forum.

Ah ha! If I had any sMerits, I'd give you a few for teaching me a little bitcointalk minutiae that I wasn't aware of (pssst...tell the boss to up my sMerit allocation, tx)

That's a weird find, OP, but I'm much more interested in what those deleted posts were all about, and what the deal was with humanrightsfoundation. I remember that username, but for the life of me I can't remember what kind of drama he was involved with, or when. I guess that would be an off-topic discussion, but I'm still curious and I'll have to take a look at their profile.

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Thank you for your inputs so far!

I see that several of you mentioned that the user is banned... but I don't understand something: is there any connection between being banned and having those posts hidden...? I don't think there is any relevance of the user being banned / autobanned or even if he was not banned at all... Am I missing something here?

Besides, if his posts are in trashcan... shouldn't their number be shown as 0? Perhaps a mod can bring more light here...?

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on October 06, 2022, 12:35:39 PM

It seems like there are a bunch of similar cases. Going over my DB of merited profiles, there are 8 different cases, all with posts values on the post counter, all with 0 Activity and being Brand New in terms of rank

Thanks you for investigating this, Ddmr! So it seems the issue occurs on more cases... Perhaps there was a glitch at some point, due to which these users were not ranked up...?

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Quote from: Xal0lex on October 06, 2022, 12:33:24 PM

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on October 06, 2022, 10:17:12 AM

Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on October 06, 2022, 10:09:36 AM

Any idea why this user did not rank up to Newbie or why his posts can not be seen on the forum?

Maybe all of the posts were moved to trashcan. This means technically the posts are not deleted but as regular users we can not see them. Since they are in trashcan, perhaps that's the reason the activity did not count to.

You are correct. All of AIbotBTC user's posts were in one single topic, the topic was moved to Trashcan. And since Trashcan is not available to ordinary users, then, accordingly, all his posts are not visible to the ordinary user, but they are displayed in the user's profile, as they have not been completely removed from the forum.

This make sense, but if posts were moved to trashcan this means, no ordinary members can see it so it should be count as zero, zero post history and zero post count.
Well, i see theymos wont update that feature or i should say this kinda bug.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on October 06, 2022, 10:17:12 AM

Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on October 06, 2022, 10:09:36 AM

Any idea why this user did not rank up to Newbie or why his posts can not be seen on the forum?

Maybe all of the posts were moved to trashcan. This means technically the posts are not deleted but as regular users we can not see them. Since they are in trashcan, perhaps that's the reason the activity did not count to.

These are my bold guesses LOL
Looking at the trust feedback it's obvious who the account holder is, especially when the feedback were coming from NotATether, Foxpup, and dkbit98

Not bad guesses. Personally, I’d guess something a little more exciting. Maybe it’s satoshi coming back and he wanted to start not just from the bottom, but below the bottom. I fully expect to see this account sign with satoshi’s keys in the near future just to give away a million BTC to users of this forum, then make back all million BTC publicly just to disappear again.

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It seems like there are a bunch of similar cases. Going over my DB of merited profiles, there are 8 different cases, all with posts values on the post counter, all with 0 Activity and being Brand New in terms of rank:

COINSBIT.IO
BitcoinBlink
Quantumgeneration
Jaelizza
00xkramo
KawPowBoo
PhoNam
Naraju

The above is relative to profiles that have been merited, so the real number forum wide will likely be substantially greater.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on October 06, 2022, 10:17:12 AM

Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on October 06, 2022, 10:09:36 AM

Any idea why this user did not rank up to Newbie or why his posts can not be seen on the forum?

Maybe all of the posts were moved to trashcan. This means technically the posts are not deleted but as regular users we can not see them. Since they are in trashcan, perhaps that's the reason the activity did not count to.

You are correct. All of AIbotBTC user's posts were in one single topic, the topic was moved to Trashcan. And since Trashcan is not available to ordinary users, then, accordingly, all his posts are not visible to the ordinary user, but they are displayed in the user's profile, as they have not been completely removed from the forum.

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you can check bpip.org and see the user is banned https://bpip.org/Profile?id=3332102. It says user has 0 posts deleted, so I would have to agree that his posts were moved to the trashcan. I try not to pay attention to too many newbie accounts since technically they haven't proven themselves to the forum yet, but you never know when a newbie could turn out to be the next satoshi.

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on October 06, 2022, 10:20:59 AM

It could be that the post wasn't deleted, but it was moved to a board that's off-limits to newbies so no activity counts. Sorry, this is just my guess too.

Exactly, the account has been banned. But if you also check his post history, all the posts are all deleted. Activity is used in ranking, but not even one of his posts is available, just showing he has 12 posts, but if you check his post history, all deleted.

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This user is autoban or maybe nuked, so I think all the posts he made have been deleted or moved. It's just that the post number on his profile didn't disappear, it appeared until now.

It could be that the post wasn't deleted, but it was moved to a board that's off-limits to newbies so no activity counts. Sorry, this is just my guess too.

https://bpip.org/Profile?id=3332102

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on October 06, 2022, 10:09:36 AM

Any idea why this user did not rank up to Newbie or why his posts can not be seen on the forum?

Maybe all of the posts were moved to trashcan. This means technically the posts are not deleted but as regular users we can not see them. Since they are in trashcan, perhaps that's the reason the activity did not count to.

These are my bold guesses LOL
Looking at the trust feedback it's obvious who the account holder is, especially when the feedback were coming from NotATether, Foxpup, and dkbit98

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I just found, by pure chance, this user: AIbotBTC. I don't even know what I was looking for when I found it. But I remember that I noticed that our Supreme Leader (Foxpup

) distrusted him.

However, I observed something curious: while user's rank is Brand new, you can see that the user made 17 posts. As far as I know, a Brand new user turns instantly into Newbie after his first post, but this one has 17 posts yet, rank did not change.

Another curious thing is that I can not see any of those 17 posts. At least, here on the forum. And this is not because the post are made in boards which I ignored. All his posts were made in Development & Technical Discussion and Meta boards. I could see that by using ninjastic.space. However, on the forum, these posts can not be seen.

Any idea why this user did not rank up to Newbie or why his posts can not be seen on the forum?

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