Topic: The Dedollarisation is on the road (Read 291 times)

when only the US are the ones handing out international penalties.. i find america are the totalitarians.

we see fox news shout about china being totalitarian. but china have many special economic zones that do things different than the capital of china

yea fox news shouts out how china has 1m Uyghurs detained.
but america have more then 1m mexicans detained

and how many natives did america castrate, make infertile and kill off in america's civilised history.. too many
..
back to todays details..
1.4b population with 1m minority in detainment.
vs
300m population with 1mb minority detainment
the country with 300m is the one with a bad % detainee count

we see fox news pretend that china "watches everyone"
london has more cameras per mile than anywhere else

also the "one app currency"
sorry but there are many apps many payment platforms. heck you can in any country you like test this out. simply download those apps and se if they are asking for a biography of your life.
also go to any vacation travel service that offers currency exchange and ask for paper fiat money of chinese denominations.. and you will get it. meaning china is not what fox news has taught people about china

im british and yet even i travel and explore and see cultures. and i laugh when seeing media show hate at china

another thing LARGE CORPORATE america love china. they love how cheap produce it to export from china and import into the west

but those large corporations HATE competition so they propagandise china as the enemy small business should not be using and telling western small business to "build domestic". so that the western corps dont have to compete with western small business..  and that the main trick that has been played

china has more population and based on a real breadloaf+milk vs breadloaf+milk (insert any consumer good comparison if you dont like break or milk)

china is higher up the international indexes than people are made to think
they are only thrown down the list by the fakeness of the "dollarisation" conversion rates of SDR/forex

the future i see is not the IMF based on dollar continuing
but the BIS based on an M-bridge of many CBDC taking over monetary policy of worlds central banks

I may be ignorant, but I doubt Brazil or Argentina are totalitarian regimes.
A bunch nowadays but most of them in the future. It's something that of course can't happen overnight. They do it because of the US sanctions, but the problem starts when too many countries will be under US sanctions.
And it's not only about sanctions because countries like India have other purposes

Why?
Because it's a matter of to be the "super economic power" worldwide. Countries have been doing it since the end of the cold war. And that's what the USA are aggressively doing since Bill Clinton, more after the financial crisis in 2008, and it was more clear during Trump.
So, countries have been disadvantaged in their economic and financial plans by the use of the dollar

Follow the money. Countries need an alternative for economic and financial reasons.

Maybe it won't happen for atleast in the next 10 years and I assume after that there will be no world reserve currency in my opinion. USD used to be one of the strong currency in the past century because they maintained to print low as much as possible but since 2020 everything changed and they printed more than they did for two decades if I am not wrong.

Still those shitcoins created for international trades may not work as such USD because it has no value beyond their borders so we can see Dollarization only if every country throws out USD for international trades.

its always printing money as solution but eventually devalues https://youtu.be/ABg3A7yuqAk?t=143

same reason why they started dedollarization because of the inflation that affects all other countries using the USD. before inflation takes the economy to the ground, BRICS may haave to start a unified rules and policies for the countries involved and only them benefits. but because it will take years, governmnets around the world has time to decide.

i think BTC will win over thier currencies they are making though.

I wouldn't call "dedollarisation" the process which you are describing.
It's just a bunch of countries with totalitarian regimes deciding not to use US dollars. Most of those totalitarian regimes (excluding China) are under western sanctions, so they are trying to show muscles by saying "F**k U!" to the USA and the US dollar.
Does it work? Not really. Is the US dollar under danger because of this? I don't think so. At least not in the upcoming several decades.
I don't mind the US dollar losing a part of it's global dominance. The USA has been exporting inflation for the last 20 years. Maybe this process would lower the global inflation levels, because the world would become less dependent by the money printing machine of the Federal Reserve.

Previous global reserve currencies did not last forever either. The dollar will certainly lose this position one day. Silver, which was added to gold coins later, caused inflation and destroyed previous empires. The dollar, which is completely paper, will also lose its hegemony one day. It's an inevitable end, but it's hard to accurately predict the timing of that inevitable end.

I think that's why limited supply assets like Bitcoin and Gold are so valuable.

over a centuries we have seen a few passings of the batten

we had the roman, ottoman, british then american empire. to mane a few

we also seen the IMF dominate in recent century but now we are seeing the echos of things like the WEF and BIS lean more to central america euro rather than north america
the BIS is becoming more powerful and eco-political than the IMF was

il be interested in seeing how central banks move to more of a BIS policy maker than the IMF in 2025

The best would be de-fiatisation or fiatocide!

All fiat currencies are pretty much the same shit, just different names, and colors... and of course, some stink more and some less! All of them are too corrupt, I simply can't imagine how that can be fixed.

I don't think we will see some big changes on the global financial stage in the near future, but again some conflicts around the world look dangerous and I am afraid in case of escalation, things can change pretty quickly!

The dollar will remain attractive because it is the only one able to buy gold, oil and all precious metals. It is literally the world's currency.
Alternatives to the dollar can be used, but not completely. This is in addition to the fact that the dollar is the most important weapon of the United States, and it takes care of its interests by preserving the dollar in the global markets to ensure that it avoids a decline in demand for it.

Exactly. Forget about it being publicly attractive. No coin is as dominant and as efficient as the dollar you'll have to admit it. Diversification isn't necessarily resulting to these countries relinquishing support from the dollar, save for I guess, Russia, China, and Iran, which is what dedollarisation is in essence. Sure, they can hog as many of their resources as they can, but when it comes to international commerce, dollar remains supreme. And until a currency efficient enough is made to challenge it, this will be the case.

is it de-dollarisation... or simply dollarocide

either way
the game of international settlements is simple
shift to e-bucks e-yuan e-quid (name them how they like)
then hyper-inflate the old fiat

then when $1bill fiat is a loaf of bread. pay off national fiat debt for only 31k loaves of bread instead of 31 trillion loaves of bread value

but here is the thing
while fox news plays the racist music of "china bad"
the BIS still operates between US and China

and in a CBDC they will again.
the e-bridge is the CBDC version of the IMF
and they will still trade

they just dont want small businesses and people to be trading with china and russia. (the lower levels)

.. as for the dollarocide..
well yea a country of only 300m, vs countries of 1billion +. obviously US dominance has been faked by manipulating forex markets in US favour and the pumps of minting green paper to make the US look bigger.. yes there will be a switch

just the question becomes which more populated country will become #1 when the top world leaders re-draw the leader board. will it be based on populous, on countries with most human rights laws.

I'm surprised to keep seeing this statement on the bitcoin forum from old bitcoin users.
Do you guys think Satoshi created Bitcoin because he was under sanctions too? Or do you think he saw the flaws in the existing payment systems and fiat currencies and decided to create an alternative that addresses those flaws?
What does Satoshi explain in the first part of the whitepaper? Is it not the flaws in the existing systems and how Bitcoin fixes them?

That's the same when it come to dedollarisation or dumping US dollar.

There is a big flaw in using dollar which is why no country in the world including US want to use dollar, so they all seek a replacement. The flaw is pretty simple to understand too, US keeps printing dollar without any kind of limit, at any time they want. Then they use all the dollars that were printed out of thin air to other countries to purchase actual goods, energy, services, etc.
(Imagine that next time you want to go to the grocery store instead of using your hard earned cash you use your printer to print some money and then use that to buy groceries!)
What this cases is inflation in any country that uses dollar (including US) because they use dollar and this is exactly why everyone would love to dump it.

In short this is how United States exports its inflation.

The only reasons why they haven't done it completely yet are the fear of US (see Iraq, Libya, Syria, and a dozen other countries that were destroyed when they "thought" about dumping dollar) and also because they couldn't come to agreement about the replacement.... until now...

Whether we like it or not, the United States Dollar is not going anywhere in the short and mid term.
It would be very childish of us to believe that the government of that country will stay still while others try to dethrone its position as the world's currency.

I mean, even during there challenging times and after the massive emission of FIAT by the federal reserve, the USD continue to perform well against other FIAT currencies around the word, so I do not see any change in the status quo going on.

It would take something very drastic to happen for USD get dished, in my opinion.

In the eighties, the dollar represented 80 percent of the monetary reserves of countries, but this confidence did not last long during the next twenty years. As the reserves in dollars decreased to only 50 percent in 2022. Over the past twenty years, many events have occurred that made the world lose confidence in America as the master of the modern world. The 2008 crisis was one of the most important of these events, in addition to the geopolitical changes that the dollar is strongly affected by.

- The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is considering the option of creating a currency between it and China to facilitate exchanges.
- Central African Republic also has adopted Bitcoin as an alternative currency.

I really hope that this global campaign to get rid of the dollar will continue, but no one knows what direction events may take, because America will certainly not remain a spectator.

Once USD reached a 40 year high of inflation over the last few quarters it became clear countries would no longer hold as much USD in their reserves if their purchasing power was dramatically decreasing by virtue of not spending the cash. Couple this with aggressive sanctions and asset seizures, doesn't make sense for a country to use USD if the currency becomes useless over time or if the U.S. government decides they want to seize the currency for their own political ambitions. Not too long ago the U.S. froze 7B in Afghanistan's assets and redistributed it to their own U.S. citizens. 7B is nothing to a large country but the idea of having cash assets seized on a whim would be concerning if your country's government becomes adversaries with the U.S.

I began to see that there is a tendency not to move away from the dollar, but why countries do not exchange with each other away from the dollar, in a system closer to barter, and the reason for that is not because they do not want the dollar, but because of the US sanctions.

For many years, US administrations have been using the economy as a weapon, and the warhead here is the dollar. Therefore, exchanging goods between countries without dollars will avoid those sanctions that were generally linked to the dollar.

So far, there has not been an alliance to do this, but Brazil, Russia, China, South Africa, and here are attempts to include Saudi Arabia in that alliance, as an alternative to G7.

While I disagree with notions of climate change being cyclical in nature.

A case might be made for de dollarization and the demise of international reserve currencies being cyclical. Defined by boom and bust cycles paralleling the rise and fall of nations.

Like the roll of a dice. There are many demographics and forms of influence in the world, who wish the cards to fall in their favor.

300 spartans were certainly impressive when they held off the persian army at thermopylae. They were great soldiers and warriors. How did sparta eventually fall? The same with the roman empire and other great nations. How did they eventually meet their end?

It seems that many have forgotten some very basic lessons of the past. That is around the time that history usually repeats itself.

Economic changes shift economic (soft) power to other countries, while geopolitical changes shift geopolitical power (hard power).

So far, with all this madness about debt ceiling limits being hit twice in 5 years, the economic power of the US is crumbling away. But it's still got a hefty amount of geopolitical power for now.

Countries dedolarize (especially after us seizing Russia reserves after invasion on Ukraine) but individuals and companies are dollarizing which is reflected in growing DXY. Especially in hard times when local currencies face a risk of hyperinflation. I mean that USD is a peace of toilet paper, but there is no better alternative. Its the currency of the biggest economy of "west civilization". Civilization characterized by respect for private property and the individual human. So no one will go use china CBDC as china does not respect basic human rights (latest 0-Covid policy, 1-child policy just to serve as example). Also china is a potential US competition and in the event of a potential conflict, assets will be frozen. So the only people that will use China CBDC are china citizens and citizens of countries that are allies to china.

So far its a long way to go with a high probability of failure. So far "dollars are involved in nearly 90% of all transactions.".

It's a looooooooooong way to go! It is easier said than done!

De-dollarisation is needed to reduce the dominance of US. Still, in order to achieve this effectively, OPEC countries must come forward and announce that they will take their own coins/currencies in order to sell their oil and natural gas to the rest of the world. Unless such things happen, de-dollarisation will remain on paper but never be implemented.

What it seems now is that a couple of countries are forming their own trading group where they can use their own currencies by avoiding USD. Its impact won't be seen unless they form an alliance and stand their ground on the decision of not taking USD for any of their international trades. Otherwise, it is just not going to help achieve the end objective.

it looks like:



This is the same thing that was tried a lot of times, it covered the news the same way and it didn't lead to anything because the major problem that the $ trade caused did not disappear when they started trading shitcoins. Why do some countries in the EU want their currency back? Because they want back the ability to devalue the currency, of printing money, of doing the same things that, well, they wouldn't be able to do with Bitcoin either for example.

If I want to sell one of my products I look at the price It cost me to manufacture add the profit margin, arrive at 100 units of it, change that to $, and ask you the amount in $, what would change if I were to directly ask you 97 pesos?
All this dedollarisation is a witchhunt started by the counties who see their economies in shamble because they can't prop their currency anymore, why do some still trade in $ when they are neighbors and they have their own depends on currencies and so on? Because they don't trust the other, that's why.

And who is going to trust:
- a common currency with one of the players being Inlfagentina or Defaultina?
- a common currency of two countries where you're not allowed to trade in other currencies, where your $ is automatically converted to ruble and the other is one experiencing a 50% inflation and a devaluation of its own currency of nearly 10x in five years?

Would you do business in this?


I find it really amusing, here we are on bitcointalk, and we are discussing on how some countries are planning to overthrow the $ by, creating their own shitcoins they can manipulate with ease! 
Out of pure curiosity, how would those plans go along with the rest of the world adopting Bitcoin as Salvador did?

There are facts such as the dollar will lose its dominance, but the problem lies in finding an alternative that represents the global monetary reserve currency. Most of the countries you are talking about such as China, Brazil, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia, Switzerland do not have attractive currencies to be an alternative to the dollar. It is true that countries will begin to diversify their reserves, but The dollar will remain attractive.


If the process has begun, it will be long, and the percentage of the dollar will decrease as reserves in central banks and individuals, but without a world war, we will not see much change.

It's not going to happen so easily and simply because the USA has the trump card.
1. China's debt is more than 250 percent of GDP, higher than the United States.
2. Europe defense relies on US
3. The USA is number one in almost every industry, including tech, medicine, engineering, etc. It has the best universities in the world, salaries here are the highest in the world ^(mostly).
4. USA is the top destination for immigration.

The world is highly dependent on America and they aren't blind to not see the changes. It may sound crazy but they don't invest that much money in military to just make show and no, I don't mean they'll actually wage a war against countries to not abandon USD but probably you'll understand what I mean.

I'm throwing out an idea.

I definitely believe the dollar is going to lose its dominance and we will soon see the Dedollarisation. It was something that might have seemed absurd 20 years ago, but in the last 5 or 10 years it has become a serious idea and even concrete since the process has already started.

Here is what has already been done in the last few years to replace the dollar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedollarisation#Regional_developments
That's a lot of things right? It's just for the last decade.


If we look at nowadays

- Russia and Iran want to create an altcoin based on gold to trade with each other.
- Brazil and Argentina want to create a common currency
- El Salvador has adopted Bitcoin as an alternative currency
- Iran is using crypto to avoid the US embargo
- Countries like China and Europe have developed CBDCs
- Russia has been buying gold on a large scale for the last 10-15 years, as have China and the other BRICS countries. At the same time, they have been dumping their US treasury bonds and reducing their dollar reserves.
- According to the World Gold Council, central bank gold purchases are at their highest level since 1967

Why? It's pretty well explained here by an economist, and it talks about digital currencies. Basically, they have no choice. Central banks turn to gold as losses mount


His conclusion seems correct to me


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Gold, bitcoin, a CBDC or whatever, or a mix of everything, for sure the Dollar will be no more the leading currency and a lot of things will be different.
Now if we think about the USA, what will they do? Because don't think they will watch the story without trying to do something to stop it. That's a serious question I wonder. Wars or something else, not sure, but at the same time I'm thiking about the war in Ukraine and The USA 'too curious', China and Taiwan with the USA 'too curious' and so on...

As POTUS, no idea what I could do.