Topic: The Devaluation of fiat money is powered by Inflation (Read 389 times)

The main cause of inflation is the printing of more and more banknotes until they eventually become worthless because according to the law of the market, increasing supply leads to a decrease in value, and this is what happens with fiat. The more paper money is printed, the more its value decreases.

The main reason for printing more paper money is the wrong government economic policies. When the government adopts a wrong economic approach, this leads to emptying the state treasury of cash reserves. To solve this problem, the government’s smart economists print more paper money, which causes a bigger problem and ultimately leads to inflation. Loss of currency value.

Devaluation of fiat money is powered by inflation?

The loud and clear answer is a big NO. Here's a huge misconception about the devaluation and depreciation of money. Both are entirely different terms with different meanings, but related to currency, of course. The thing is, currency devaluation is controlled by the central bank or monetary authority of the country. Currency depreciation is driven by market forces of demand and supply. Devaluation causes inflation risk; it can lead to inflation, eroding purchasing power. But inflation is the cause of the depreciation of currency, and it's a natural decline in currency value. Depreciation of currency has a long-term impact on the economy as compared to currency devaluation, which has a short-term impact on the economy.

War and conflict can cause disruptions in economic activity and the supply and demand of goods. This can lead to price increases and inflation. Rising prices for raw materials, such as oil, can cause price increases and inflation. This increase in raw material prices could affect production, transportation and production costs.
They are all part of the reason for inflation, when people or investors do not trust a certain country's currency, they may launch foreign currencies or look for ways to invest in other assets, leading to the devaluation of that currency.

If a country's currency loses value rapidly devaluation has occurred and devaluation indirectly causes inflation. Fiat currencies are controlled by governments and don't have any maximum supply. This causes money to be printed for free and causes the currency of that country to lose value and be devaluated. Inflation occurs when the devalued currency loses serious value. For this reason, it is possible to say that the triggering factor for devaluation is inflation and the triggering factor for inflation is devaluation.

In other words, both possibilities actually trigger each other and only occur differently in terms of processes. While inflation occurs relatively easily and quickly against devaluation, devaluation occurs relatively slowly against inflation. Although both of them have serious negative effects on the country's economy it should not be forgotten that some of these effects are similar or the same.

A country's currency is controlled by the government.  Inflation is a bit of a state disease.  During inflation, the prices of goods increase and the value of money decreases.  This issue can be controlled by the government. But if the system is weak, it will increase day by day.  Inflation is a curse for a country. In a country where inflation occurs, the people of the country suffer many hardships.  fiat currency is also controlled by the government and banks. All of them are under the control of the government. The better the government management, the lower the inflation rate.  A proper market system plays a major role in controlling this.

In some cases saving amount in bank is a wise choice because when you invest in something else then you cannot take it out when you need it but from bank you can take it out anytime when an situation of emergency arise.

It is not necessary that you will have to save money in only one site but you can select different cites and divide your saved amount in bank, bitcoin and some other business.

Keep check on your amount after sometimes because saved amount can be depreciate and devalued with the passage of time but there are also possibilities of earning more with such a saved amount so checking of amount is necessary.

Inflation can also occur when the government engages in excessive money printing, causing the value of money to diminish. Consequently, the prices of goods increase in order to match the devalued currency.

Zimbabwe once experienced hyperinflation reaching 231% because the Central Bank of Zimbabwe routinely printed money to finance the nation's budget deficit. Monetary policies like this rendered the currency worthless, forcing people to spend more money to acquire goods, but also allowing them to earn a substantial income through ordinary work.

Sometimes, a moderate amount of inflation is considered healthy for the growth of an economy. But, yes, inflation touching double figures is always bad news for the people as the commodity prices will increase, and the buying power will decrease, hence the devaluation of the currency. It is also not good for the economic growth of a country.


Saving money in Bank accounts is a suicide. You should only have a small amount in your bank account for day-to-day purchasing. Bonds are the best option, I think, if the person is not willing to take the risk. Other options, such as Gold, Silver, Property, etc. can also be considered. At the moment, inflation is a global phenomenon, and people are living paycheck to paycheck in most countries.

There will always be inflation. However getting 10% inflation is not normal. It hurts many people living pay check to pay check and those that are savers.

Normally you should never hold cash in the bank. You need to have it in some form of investments such as stocks or even bonds. Right now you can get 5% with most bonds and it’s risk free pretty much. So with the inflation we got right now, you are pretty much breaking even.

What you say is not wrong and it is what it is but there are many options out there to buy and sell Bitcoin. When most people think of buying Bitcoin using fiat currency. Yes. I hope the feeling of being part of the monetary revolution is the right feeling.

This isn't the first time that I read that the increase of aggregate demand and/or the decrease of aggregate supply devalues money. Indeed, if the aggregate demand beats the aggregate supply, the price increases. The same is true when the aggregate supply falls, that's even if the aggregate demand is unchanged.

However, seldom is it mentioned that one of the biggest, if not the biggest, factors of fiat's devaluation is the irresponsible handling, or even outright abuse, of monetary supply. Central banks are printing so much money out of thin air. This money is backed by nothing so there's unlimited supply of it. Add to it that the banks and other financial institutions can also create unlimited amount of credit. All of these devalue money.

Why is this not properly emphasized in economics lectures, classes, and courses? Why are the abuses of governments and central banks barely mentioned when speaking of the weakening value of money when in fact they're the main culprit?

One of the main cause of inflation is excess fiat money in economic cycle. This leads to poor balancing of the overall system, and creates troubles with money distribution... Usually the process is be launched with "money printing press". However, there are some other sources of inflation. It can happen if "whales" get rid of some part of their overall money. In fiat world "whales" are richest tycoons and global banks. They can also be the cause of inflation. Also, they control inflation rate.

I dont agree it has to be fake, a few countries not many back every currency note with equal resources on demand; in main however FIAT means debt.   The intention for the value to be real is there but then politics occurs and standards slip.   The idea central banks arent compromised in their judgement is a make believe scenario, they can and are called to account by political entities quite often.   Human nature gives in to whats easiest, since people do expire in recessions from the job losses etc. I understand why people give up and abandon the value of money vs hard decisions.
  Its too tempting to pay every new bill with a freshly printed cheque paid for by someone else a few years from now.  No proper budget is required, with some countries this quickly fails as there is little demand for that currency or debt denominated.  The danger with a world reserve currency is there is always demand there and the people who pay the price for failure in a currency standard might be the other side of the world with no representation they dont matter.

Fiat money is a fake money it's not real money. One should get knowledge about investment and businesses , if you are a business business owner, you can make column of assets and liabilities. Fiat money is managed and printed by Government, government can print money as his desire, in this way inflation occurs. Inflation occurs due to over print of Fiat money. Prices of things increases and goes to sky. If a government is wise he can give relief to public by solving problems of people. Inflation destroys
the country's base. And after, if it becomes uncontrolled, country can bankrupt. The whole power is in the hands of government. Government Can increase or decrease taxes and can make inflation or deflation.

I would guess that this alone is a good enough reason to invest into bitcoin, that could be a reason? I mean it is one of the main reasons why I invest into bitcoin for example, because I know that if I keep my money in fiat then I am going to lose money and that is why I think it should be important to make it change. I get that it is not going to be that much of an important thing that will change it but at the end of the day it is going to be fine.

If you keep your money in bitcoin, then you are going to make a profit from it and if you make a profit from it then you are going to be fine with the results. If you keep it in fiat however, then you are going to lose money and you will be upset about it in the future.

I definitely agree with that. Inflation in itself isn't that bad as long as it's not affecting people adversely and is just for the improvement of an economy. However, that isn't the case with most countries and their economies. The inflation that has hit most of the countries recently, particularly third-world countries, it's basically too much and it's affecting the people living in those countries that are not earning a lot of money to stand tall against the excessive inflation.

On the other side, the governments of these countries are basically busy building their and their families futures instead of taking care of the country and its economic structure that is devastated and people are dying of hunger because they can't buy the basic necessities due to the increasing inflation.

Happens all the time even in the not corrupt country since fiat is designed that way. It's not about demand and supply like OP is saying. It's always about printing bank notes that cause it but FED is also making it worse because of the interest hikes.

Since the FED wants to control inflation, they would need to start reducing the demand for commodities even the basics by increasing the prices through inflation or making companies bankrupt and no jobs for the people. When people buy less, demand decreases.

There's a corrupt and manipulative force behind inflation and how the people go about the whole process with inflation to the extent of having a negative impact on the economy always, yet we cannot do without having this same inflation despite it's rendering the worth and value of fiat worthless gradually with time, am sure all these among other reasons are part of what makes other people to have decided for the new financial technology of bitcoin.

Correct time frame for gold is about a decade, thats how long  its going to take to possibly setup a proper mining area and infrastructure to support the filtering and refinement of all your raw material.   If supply is taking ten years to come online it explains part of why the price can move so much before it starts to encourage more supply to come onlne.  Trying to judge it by weeks or months even and call it safe to invest I think is a mistake thats not fault of the element itself, alot of the pricing is speculation and reflection of the dollar.  We suffer the same effect in BTC and I try to seperate that rapid main market influence from the proper progression that BTC has over time.

Inflation is the most natural thing that happens in some corrupted governments around the globe.

And they are happy every single time inflation happens, because they are the only one that's being benefited by this kind of event. According to what I've read in google, inflation is a hidden tax, that's why government always try to minimize it only or ignore it because they don't want to waste the money of their own citizens because it is theirs already.

OP, would you mind telling us why did you post this basic info about inflation and currency devaluation?
Is there any reason behind this decision?
Most of the people in the forum know a thing or two about macroeconomics and finance. Do you want to educate anyone? Are you simply sharing a bunch of generic thoughts? Are trying to boost your post count by writing low quality posts?
Sharing obvious conclusions like "the sun is hot" or "water is wet" have the same amount of logic like the conclusion that "inflation makes fiat money less valuable". Do you have any other genius and groundbreaking discoveries to share with us?

This is hard to swallow fact but this is the truth about today's economy. I guess when the cost of goods and services rises faster than one's income, it can lead to difficult choices and lifestyle adjustments. People may need to prioritize essential expenses like housing and healthcare, often at the expense of discretionary spending on items they used to enjoy. Navigating the impact of inflation requires careful financial planning, budgeting, and, in some cases, seeking additional income sources or investment opportunities to counter the erosion of purchasing power.

The existence and preference of alternatives is the best bet. Changing shopping locations can also find one in a place of better price offers compared to others.
One reason I think there's inflation is if the purchasing cost of the citizens in a country has risen, in that, they can afford alot with little cash and live fine. Where this is the case, we see the government increase interest rates, there's automatically inflation of prices and housing and almost all sector including energy gets hooked in.

I think that only those people whose income is ahead of expenses can buy goods at higher prices. And if we look at a person with a fixed income and who before inflation did not have enough earnings for all needs, then after rising prices, he will have to fall in love with cheap rice instead of expensive potatoes, or change his country of residence. But in the new country, he will have more expenses for housing and medicine.

The biggest misunderstanding that Japan can help overcome is that by simply printing money you don't always generate inflation, inflation is not just the result of throwing money at your citizens, it's the result of your citizens spending that money in a way that the manufacturing and service sector can't keep up with it.


The first thing when analyzing how a company is run is to drop your bias about the company making excessive profits just because it sells stuff you think is worth 1$ for 10$. There are so many costs in the process of selling a product that sometimes they completely overshadow the production costs, not even mention the initial investment, yeah I pay $100 for a bag of grain that will earn me in autumn 20 tons of wheat so I should sell the wheat for 1 cents a kilo, except for the fact that one s770 harvester costs 300k!

Another thing is that operating at a loss might be better than shutting down, it all depends on the sunken cost  some might just go like this for years as pulling completely out would trigger heavier losses, the best example comes actually from bitcoin mining, there are tens of them trapped in this, if they stop mining at 1 cents profit they incur such heavy losses that they don't even want to think about.


The buyers always determine the price, if people stop buying the price will either go down or the company will go out of business, if the people clean up the shelves the investors and the board of that company would have to be stupid not to increase the price, wouldn't you do the same?


Inflation will always cause the devaluation of a currency, devaluation of a currency will also result, although in some cases with a bit of a delay, in inflation, at least when it comes to consumer prices.

Bullshit!



You can clearly see that if you bought gold between March and June you're at a loss.

Another bullshit.

Check gold prices in the period of 1993 and 99. Not only it wasn't up each year but going down. If you bought it anywhere between 93 and 96, you were down on your investment in 97, 98 and 99, so 4 years of flat prices were followed by 3 years of falling prices, reaching 40% loss in August and September of 99.
This was a bloodbath for a relatively safe asset like gold. When bitcoin loses 10% everybody screams about crash and a bear market, so imagine what was happening when gold was losing 10% a year for 3 consecutive years

Bottom line, no investment is perfect and all of them require patience, but I'd take bitcoin over gold any time.

Gold always shows higher price although it requires some months to increase in value but the lower price does not exists as longer as that of crypto coin. These days gold rate is increasing and that of crypto is going down, I don't say that crypto is not a good way to make investment but as compared to crypto gold is a wise choice for profitable growth.

According to my experience gold never disappointed its holders and its true that for sometime it downs but when we compare its price on annual basis so we can conclude that gold is always better in price than previous year.

Your post looks uncoordinated but something can be made out of it anyway. Apart from fall in supply which could lead to scarcity and the rise of the price of goods or services which is what is called inflation, you also have to know that the government can deliberately cause a level of inflation maybe moderately to control the amount of money in circulation. To this effect if government want to have the policy to circulate money, they could reduce the rate of interest on loan and that can cause money to be in the reach of many and that means more money chasing fewer goods. That will lead to inflation but it is artificial and can be controlled.

Hyperinflation is what is not good with a country economy because it will cripple the economy when the government of that country cannot control it. Another thing that can cause a general world inflation is a pandemic. We saw the damage that Covid-19 pandemic caused to the world economy because there was lock down everywhere and no production,some counties hasn't still recovered from the damage that the pandemic did to their economy. War can cause inflation too,all these that I mentioned are fuel to inflation. A country that doesn't produce but rather depend on exported goods will be a slave to inflation just like some Africa countries.

Inflation is good if it is moderated. Governments create inflation. What is bad is the extreme of it which is hyperinflation. The uncontrolled inflation that the government creates through the printing of money is only beneficial in the short term especially during a recession. In the long-term people can't keep with the rising price especially if those on fixed incomes.

Let me summarise by saying that in the short-term inflation helps because there will be more money in circulation and people would have more to spend but then when it is left uncontrolled, the money becomes useless no matter how much you have and demand will no longer increase but remain either stagnant or decrease.

Dear Marissa, I am sorry to say that you have not caused enlightenment with your post, and I think it is your way of writing that does not help. Your nickname sounds Spanish, I suggest you to go to the local Spanish forum to debate there as well.

To try to clarify what you are saying and to do my bit, we have two parts, inflation and economic growth, which are linked. And within inflation we have inflation that is only caused by monetary policies, or inflation that is not caused by monetary policies, generally by economic growth, but also by other factors, such as the increase in energy prices.

So, when inflation is caused by monetary causes, because central banks issue a lot of money this causes currency devaluation, and in that sense the title of your thread is correct. However, when inflation is not strictly monetary it does not cause devaluation. Therefore, what you say is only partially correct.

The devaluation of currency can be caused by inflation. When the price of goods keeps increasing money will also lose its purchasing power. An example is the case of Zimbabwe in 2006 where a loaf of bread cost about Z$550,000 which was just 1 dollar. But devaluation can also be an economic strategy to promote local consumption of goods and exports. Locally produced goods will be cheaper which means people will prefer it to expensive imported goods. Currency devaluation will make the country's goods cheaper in the international market which will attract more trade partnerships.

But there are also dangers of devaluation especially if the country relies on other countries for importation of raw materials. This will make raw materials more expensive and locally produced goods may no longer be cheaper. Devaluation is a good economic policy that has worked for countries like China but it can cause harm to other countries, especially to countries that depend on others for raw materials and human resources.

Looks like the article was removed, but to answer your questions despite what it may have said: Supply and demand always dictate what prices consumers pay for products. If there's ever deviation from supply and demand, it's because the government has manipulated the market on their own accord, usually by money printing, to control price.

When a lot of new supply of money has been printed in the circulation, this also causes inflation. Everything about law of supply and demand, that's applicable to our economies.

On the other hand, Bitcoin is deflationary and that is because of having a limited supply. Its scarcity makes it a deflationary and if there are people keeping foreign currencies as their asset and reserve, it's better to have Bitcoin based on my experience.

With money printing and inflation are coming together, there could be lesser growth with these factors to none.

Inflation does not around only about the prices of the commodities, its actually based in a whole market sentiment of one country, the monetary policies also a big contributor for the inflation. Yes there’s an alternative but considering the generations now, we are still buying the things that we want even if its too expensive or even if there’s a cheaper alternative, and that’s how many deal with the inflation.

so anyone understands that with rising inflation comes devaluation. but if you look at the example of agriculture, when the country has a poor potato harvest but a good rice harvest, should inflation occur?
Won't the poor stop buying expensive potatoes? It is logical that they will buy cheaper rice and there will be no inflation.

I agree that government policies have an impact on the value of our fiat currencies, however inflation is one of the primary causes of fiat currency depreciation around the world. When fiat loses value, the country's economy suffers as a result of higher prices for products and services, and people who save fiat will no longer value what they saved.

I no longer trust keeping fiat cash because my country's currency consistently loses value to the dollar, and the little money you have on hand can no longer satisfy your wants as a result of the high cost of things. With my savings, I intend to purchase some BTC.

Inflation will destroy an economy from the losses and impediment it introduces to the order flow.  If a price is not stable then each party producing, buying and distributing cannot be sure of their costs vs margins during a sale.   150% inflation is a failure, people will do anything to get away from that problem of constant losses.  Most likely only those connected to government or crime will be able to operate properly in the end.

Gold doesnt go up in value, it has no yield either so it should not be kept for profit especially.  The biggest point is stability in that its inert and able to exist outside of these FIAT paper problems, also most of the world will accept gold so its a link to international trade.  People like to compare crypto with gold, they are different but its understandable due to similar advantages.

Living in Argentina with 150% INflation rate. I can tell how this can crash an economy

Devaluation of fiat currency is not only caused by inflation, there are many more factors that must be considered which have contributed in many ways to how we are being affected by inflation in holding a fiat currency in an economy, have we considered some of the policies that surround the monetary system in fiat, how the government officials control the process, how it's been manipulated or maybe we ever think of the kaw behind the repeatition in continuous printing of fiat currency without limit, i see this as a broad discussion with how to tackle the overall causes of fiat devaluation over time while inflation is just the most emphatic cause we all mentioned often leaving others causes or factors behind.

From the article, I have a few questions. 
If the cost of a product is $20 for example, there is no way that product can be sold for $15 just because that's the price that the people will buy. No company would operate like that. A company would food eventually if they followed this business model. The goal is to make a profit, so if they're not making a profit then there's no point in the business.
Or, they're making a profit but not much. For example, they make just $2 out of a $20 product. Isn't that a good thing that a company can't exploit people and make excessive profits off of them?

Could it also be that the people in Japan buy more less quality products?
If the cost of producing the product is $20 and the company knows that people will not buy at that price, they'll find ways to reduce the cost of production to about $10 to $15 and then sell for about $22. This would help the company make more profit but they would sell less quality products, to their Japanese market at least.

Another question,
Does it mean that the forces of demand and supply don't play a role in the determination of prices in Japan? From the article, I can conclude that it is the people who determine the price, so no matter how the market is, the buyers still determine the price.

Finally,
Does this also affect imported products from foreign companies or do the citizens only do this to local products?
Because there is no way foreign companies would export their products and services to Japan if the people would just buy them at a price they want even if the company is not making the kind of profit they desire.

The topic was quite hard for me to understand actually I did not knew that devaluation can cause inflation instead you tried to emphasize that inflation will makes yours currency lose value! Correct me if I take it wrong. Well, the point is in the hope to making the value of one country's currency equal to another things, many factors plays important role, like monetary policy, interest rates, etc. etc.

So after huge discussion things came back to the fact that higher demand of goods means more inflation, lower supply of money in the circulation means lesser inflation as there will be less money to buy things.

PS: Well, if the ratio between consumption and production will be managed then inflation can be controlled.

Inflation is one of the economic terms that is often misunderstood. In a good economic system, controlled inflation is necessary to create value on the commodity and to force consumers to spend instead of displacing. As an example of the importance of inflation (in its simple sense, which means an increase in product prices), we can ask why prices do not increase in Japan^[1] and how It was bad for the economy^[2].

In general, inflation of 2% is good for most economies, and sometimes as long as the government can control inflation, the wheel of the economy will turn.
The problem comes from excessive and explosive inflation, where the government is unable to control inflation, prices increase daily, and the currency rate decreases, and this is what many believe is the concept of inflation.

Excessive inflation has internal causes related to state policies, external causes, and causes related to the structure of the economy. It is a symptom of a disease, and without identifying the cause of hyperinflation, the solutions will fail.

I think that talking about such a subject requires more, but this story in brief.

[1] https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14462174
[2] https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2022/08/12/japans-low-inflation-conundrum/

Everything about the money you mentioned is determined or controlled by the government or a party that has the authority to issue regulations regarding how much money must be printed or made each year.

Acceptance of fiat money as a transaction tool that makes it easier for people as a medium of exchange to get something because fiat money is a legal tender that is recognized by all countries.
But from the way fiat currency works, its value depends on the government or central bank, so it is not surprising that its value can change or fall over a long period of time due to inflation and several other things.

There is something even greater than fiat currency but the government or interested parties are not willing to admit it or make it a good financial system, namely bitcoin.
This type of currency needs to be discussed in the house specifically in order to get the answer who is better.

waste fiat money instead of gold, gold has been proven to maintain asset values for hundreds of years, its value has remained even increased.

Fiat money is a money or currency that is unable to change its function or pattern,which is signed and decreed as a legal tender.having this money is like owning an asset because you cant change it,but it can be use as an exchange for something.

This fiat money is a meduim of exchange in the form of coins,paper and all of that.since its existence it has been an easy way of exchange for demands and wants and has helped in reaching to the goals of oneself.which have made the approach and desires for this fiat money to be over emphasised.
But the insurgency of inflation have empowered the devaluation of this money.

Inflation is the general increase or rise in the prices of goods and services,when inflation is encountered it cause a total increase and alters the prices of goods and thus amount to the devaluation of fiat money.

What Causes inflation: For example when the demand for a particular products is higher than the supply,that way inflation has taken place.
                                          Another one is when prices goes up and affect everything including supply. And dont meet  up to a persons or country needs and wants.that way inflation has ocurred.
                                          Then Devaluation: The main power engine for inflation of this fiat money.This happens when a particular country is trying to adjust to the tendency of balancing the fiat money to balance with trade(Good and services).when this is done money or currencies value is reduced and make importation of goods to be downgraded and exportation of goods and services to be reduced.
The devaluation of this money has made exports to increase and importation to decrease,because since the money is devalued as inflation arised,the neccessity of meeting to that demand is reduced,and so therefore encouraging exportation of this goods would help in keeping It at a balance.

So i think this should be thrown into the house for better enlightenment and better discussion.