Topic: The Downfall of FreeBitco.in [YouTube] (Read 509 times)

Video #2 in the "series" is now available:

https://youtu.be/Rui3BNMFc2o

It's not 100% correct but you're right about having no detailed info on it.
Once again even if you take that scenario, with the very extreme case that is simply not existent but still, let's hypothetically do that, you are still getting rewarded for each and every roll as explained above.

You either do not know what provably fair means or you are intentionally deceiving users of your sites. It is impossible for anybody to verify whether or not their results were manipulated. There is no server seed hash shown prior to rolling. Users cannot choose their own client seed. In fact, there are no server seeds, client seeds or nonces. It is just a random number generated through some undisclosed method on your server and displayed to users. It is not verifiably fair, we have to trust your word instead that you didn’t manipulate the outcome.

Do you want to speak on our behalf and tell everyone what really happened? You seem to know it all. Try to be a bit more humble with this attitude.


That is again wrong, and now let's address these 2 points:

1) Previously, we used Twitter to provide support to our users. However, with time, Twitter didn't allow newly created accounts to send a DM. Tweets were missing and we couldn't go through all tweets because Twitter didn't even show them. It was a mess. We therefore decided to have a proper support system in our sites which is a great system where no user is left stranded. It works great and you can see there aren't any new complaints on these issues. Hint: Stake and many others use the same support system (Intercom), it works great and even works better than emails.

2) The system is provably fair, the fact you or other user hasn't won the jackpot doesn't mean other users or you can't win later on. We used Freebitco.in for years, not even "over a year", and never ever rolled more than the 2 basic prizes. Our system is exactly what they do. The difference is they keep on paying these rolls on a hourly basis (huge mistake), and they have 0 customer support.

Long term what FreeBitco.in is doing is destined to fail because it's unsustainable. As evidence you can see the amounts of complaints piling up.

One more thing:

No one has to gamble in our sites in order to make profits. There is the "Earn More" section, referrals, and free rolls achieved by playing free games or completing free tasks. A new account you create can get on a daily basis easily 7 rolls or more, without using promo codes. With codes it gets to 10+ on average per day.

You don't have to visit the site every hour, you can do it all at once, in less than 10 minutes, and by all means $0.003 (assuming you only get the minimum) on 1 day is $0.09 in a month.

Now check out this post:

https://x.com/cryptosfaucets/status/1799084226169704478

Some coins like BNB went up 54x times, that means your $0.09 is $5, free of charge. 0 Referrals, 0 Offers, no gambling involved. That's just an example, things can always go 100x down where you accumulate more and then 100x more where you gain more. There is risk involved here, for us, not for you.

You know what the difference between what CoinPot did and what we did?

We keep our reserves in the same coin, so if it goes up in value we take the risk, not you the user and we haven't shut down any of our faucets, and we run 20 of them, not just 1.

So yes, you don't like the faucets? We don't expect every user to like these, but claiming you need "several lifetimes" is simply wrong.

Yes, we are far from being perfect, but we are hands on with our support. We don't leave users without answers. We do respond to every single inquiry we get. Where is FreeBitco.in in all this? Dumping their project?

This thread was calling them to change their business model, we want them to succeed, we referred over 120k users to their sites and yet these guys are ticking every single mistake in their book.

The withdrawal was received only after it was pending for months, not 24 hours, and also after unsuccessfully trying to get support through Twitter and YouTube. People shouldn’t have to jump through so many hoops to have their withdrawal processed.


Your response is just a claim, without evidence, that people do win higher prizes. Even if they did, we already know the results are rigged because users are lied to when they are told the faucet is provably fair. Over a year of rolling on 3 sites and that user only won an amount so low that, without gambling a considerable amount, it would take several lifetimes for any user to reach the minimum withdrawal.


There are plenty of bad reviews to pick from if that one isn’t satisfying enough for you. Many of them calling your website a scam, some users waiting 6 months to receive their withdrawal.

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/freebitcoin.io?languages=all&sort=recency&stars=1

So you're digging into a review from 2023 and don't even know how to read?



So you haven't seen the 3 last words in his review? "Update - Withdrawal Received". Updated within 24 hours of posting this review. You also probably haven't seen our response to that complaint neither.

And yet that is your screenshot you chose to post here.
Pathetic.

Freebitcoin.io, your faucet, accused of being a scam. Withdrawal pending for months. THE WRITING WAS ON THE WALL 12 months ago.

Well, it seems like a month old thread in the scam accusation forum is gaining momentum, this doesn't look good unfortunately:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/freebitcoin-appears-hacked-monthly-prize-money-stolen-from-multiple-users-5495097

You're asking what we did when we saw troubles? Yes, we made changes, and explained them very well here as well:

https://freebitcoin.io/articles/changes-to-our-faucets-from-feb-2024

It's called communication. You talk to your users. You tell them you have to make changes because otherwise things will go downhill.

That was exactly the main purpose of this thread, to bring this exact awareness. Are you finally aware of it now? Can you see that the old freebitco is no longer the same, users get no support and the amount of complaints is only piling up?

Have you watched the video? We have over 120k referrals in this site, do you think we want them to fail?

Please, once and for all, wake up. Something's wrong and so far they do nothing about it.

Our threads were like this years ago since 2017, Bitcointalk is not the only place we use for promos.
You can judge based on what you like, the fact is we are proud to respond to users, and we don't leave users stranded.

You can find flaws in any business, your feedback is highly appreciated but if you have nothing constructive to add then we'll end this conversation here.

You’ve been claiming for years that their rolls are rigged and the lottery is rigged. The only evidence you have ever provided of them being rigged is quotes from other people saying they have never won higher prizes. The only site we know for sure to be rigged is your own copycat faucet, which claims to be provably fair but doesn’t provide a formula for people to verify their rolls.

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There are many complaints and negative reviews on Twitter and TrustPilot, although you might have to filter out some astroturfed fake reviews that were used to manipulate your rating, which is still not even that great at 3.9 stars.

Considering how all your promo threads are dead and barely receive any replies, I am sure a much more competently marketed website, that doesn’t need to resort to spamming their competitor’s forum threads and Twitter replies or using fake reviews, would come along and displace FreeBitco.in from search results.

Thanks for your feedback.
We tried using FlokiGames as means for users to go up levels in VIP and play free games (business terms = play to earn).

Unfortunately the results were not that great so far. Way below expectations.

The offerwalls are doing better than that, but "unfortunately" for users like you - yes, the gambling aspect is the most profitable one for some users, for us... monetizing just with ads is dead now, it's not what it used to be years ago and even back then these ads were mostly gambling ads.

No, the first time we posted "against" FreeBitco.in was 3 months ago in March 2024.
Before then we actually even promoted them.

You are welcome to attack our business if you wish but please you yourself don't spread unfounded misinformation about what we did, because that's exactly what you're doing here.


That's another big lie.
The weekly payout we get from our 100k+ referrals from FreeBitco.in is $30 - $100 normally.
If you think our sites rely on this amount of money to sustain the business then you're clearly wrong.
FreeBitco.in was a great site to promote but looking into the future it has turned into a disaster, and by using the word "disaster" we're using quite an accurate description. 0 customer service, 0 support, now transactions are missing and users have no where to turn to.

FYI our sites have been running since 2017, Get-Paid.com has been running since 2010, how many complaints have you seen online against our sites? Not asking for any user appreciation, but you ignore the fact our businesses haven't scammed users and we had many $300 jackpot winners, let alone some winners who grabbed several thousands of $, they always got their withdrawals on time. We never scammed our users and we do reply to our users, all the times. There is customer support available around the clock. All of our sites have it, and it's proper support, not ones providing generic vague replies.

One more thing in relation to your misinformation, if they shut down then our site might take #1 in the search rankings and more, FreeBitcoin.io, so supposedly there won't be any need to "hijack" threads, but you're missing the big point here. We don't hijack threads, this is a self-created thread. So far the information posted has been more than accurate. It was posted 3 months ago, not years ago. Every single word was weighed and considered before posting. You should also view our post history and see how "often" we "hijack" threads which is another false accusation of yours.

Keep on spreading lies on this forum and keep on protecting those who leave users without support and soon without their money. We're not the ones scamming our users.

You’ve been crying wolf and spreading unfounded misinformation for several years. You aren’t heartbroken about users losing funds, you’re heartbroken because if FreeBitco.in disappears you will lose some referral income and you won’t be able to shill your own scam website by hijacking FreeBitco.in threads on this forum and on social media platforms.

I agreed about your view as well with I am following you and your faucets for long time but sadly as you turn them into casino I drop them and now having nothing with them for last few months even now I am encouraging my referrals as well for leaving this all because this is not good idea you have to bring some changes with give you better results instead of having faucets into casino.

Now about this Freebitco It's also really sad we lost one of the oldest faucet and things are now taking terrible changes because many members are on verge of losing their amounts which is surely the worst thing going to happen here again.

Seeing now lots of worried users is truly heart breaking.
The writing was on the wall, we posted this 3 months ago.

We never post nonsense for no reason.

Truly hoping things would be okay for all Freebitco.in users, but just note the actions we have undertaken when we noticed where things were going.

It's called being hands on and responding to user complaints.

Of course they don't have to do that on every platform but they simply don't respond at all. If you get stuck you're stuck forever.

TrustPilot is complete garbage. Reviews aren’t vetted and it’s really easy to manipulate their ratings. A company can go from having a 1-star rating to 5 stars overnight. In fact, that seems to be the case with your copycat faucet. An early snapshot from the Wayback Machine shows you previously had a 2-star rating.



Normally your website receives 1 or two ratings a month, most of them bad or average. However, there are several times where you received more than a dozen reviews within the span of a couple days, most of them being very favorable. Clearly those are not organic reviews, yet it’s the reason why your site maintains a decent rating of 3.9 stars.

I also see from the replies you made to your reviewers, you’ve been spamming the same Free Dogecoin blog post to try and discredit FreeBitco.in for many years now, even when it was irrelevant to the review.

You can surely hunt up plenty of complaints from dozens of places, but out of thousands of users, it's still a small number. I have used their site since 2016 and made many deposits and withdrawals with no problem. The people with problems likely made a mistake on their side. The "where's my FUN" guy, did he lock the FUN for a time period and now wants out? It's happened. The $600 scam guy, was he cheating somehow? WE only know one side of these.

We're not here to discuss one particular case or another, we're calling them to change their business model. This case is just one example.

You're happy with their product and it's great, we're happy to hear it.

Yes, I'm sure.

TheQuin replied to the user on January 15:


And jper3009 himself confirmed that he received a response:




Yes, I'm aware the user still claims that one of his deposits wasn't credited.  However, for objectivity, I prefer not to draw conclusions based on a single complaint without attached evidence. It could be a legitimate issue or a simple misunderstanding.

There is actually transparency about that from 2022 and it was posted many times on our social media channels:

https://freebitcoin.io/articles/our-guarantee

"Against this guarantee we are taking the liberty to change the withdrawal threshold in any of our sites between $0 to $20 anytime, without any notification whatsoever."


No, it's not cherry picking. Not everyone knows about Bitcointalk. Not everyone is a crypto fan.

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/freebitco.in

1) Eric, 5 Reviews (seems to be credible), "Where is my FUN? I have sent many messages, but have not received any response"
Date of experience: February 05, 2024

2) https://x.com/sundaypeter8110/status/1763262951467720766?s=20
Recent response to a recent tweet

3) https://www.mouthshut.com/websites/Freebitco-reviews-925917644
"they will keep everything and close your account. They scammed me out of more than$600 dollars"

Here are a few more cherry picks for you, all recent, and there are lots more, these are just from the top 3 from Google on the web when searching for "freebitco.in reviews".

Do you honestly think all these people know a website called Bitcointalk exists and they will file a scam accusation? One way or another:

We are not the ones tarnishing their reputation, they are doing it by themselves when they're leaving so many users stranded.

We want them to succeed, we're not against them, but whatever they're doing now is wrong, it's a fact, not an assumption.

One or two people with a deposit issue out of thousands is exactly cherry picking. We don't even know if the complaint is genuine anyway. Have they yet posted in Scam Accusation with documentation? Transparency? You dropped your changes on users without warning and posted a video hours later. Previously you have raised withdrawal thresholds dramatically without warning. But I never complained because transparency is not promised. Customer support is usually poor, heh, big companies like AT&T and Comcast have poor support. None of this is drastic to any reasonable person. As far as manual processing of withdrawals, you say in one sentence that there is fraud and abuse to deal with, then the next sentence that taking more care processing withdrawals is bad. Maybe they should clarify what "instant" means, that would be a fair point.

Once again, are you sure about that?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63736395

Quote - February 29, 2024, 10:55:08 AM

That is a quote from yesterday.

Yes. You seem to be right about that. You used a quote from GESS242558, so I made the wrong conclusion.

But still, same argument. You have selectively used information and ignored facts that do not fit your narrative. For example, jper3009 did receive responses, both from TheQuin and their email support. You didn't mention that. In the video, the impression given was that there was a complete lack of response, which is not true.


No, I NEVER got to that part. I found your video very subjective and based on opinions rather than facts, so I stopped watching.

Watch again buddy, at 2:24.
The quote is from jper3009.

Yes, it is taken in the video with a quoted frame under Gess's post but it has nothing todo with Gess.

Btw at 9:42 it is mentioned the user (jper) was credited eventually but it has taken 6 months!

OP, while watching your video, I came across the part where you mentioned a post by bitcointalk.org user gess242558. This prompted me to check your statements.

On the same page you took the screenshot from, a user posted this:


But you chose to ignore that information and continued with your wrong assumptions.

And yesterday, the same user posted this:


So my question is, why did you continue to mislead your viewers (basically lied) with your video?

Thanks for your feedback.
We effectively first of all locked a lot of bad users out of the ability to drain our faucets, that's our first immediate response to the problem. Our goal is to work with genuine users and in order to achieve it first - we fix the faucet, the 'drainage' so to speak.

We are looking for several options how to proceed but it's too early to speculate, for instance phone verification, the option to buy a membership without gambling, and so on, we're currently adjusting to a new situation so those who stay with us could still profit long term, but it's too early to tell what's going to happen next.

For now the current present solution does allow many users to enjoy our faucets nonetheless even without any new features. $5 wagering by all means is not a lot, and the potential to get a better return back is there, even now.

But let's go back to the topic of this thread itself, you mentioned:


You see in front of you several 'drastic moves' on so many wrong levels already such as:

• 0 customer service, no support
• Issues remain unresolved
• Instant withdrawals have started to be processed on manual basis
• Lack of transparency

Speaking of which, customer service, our live chat feature is something most of our users are extremely satisfied with.

We do understand some users are not happy with the changes we've made, but we haven't run away, and with these changes we can adopt and make things better. Can you say the same about FreeBitco?

As I responded to your Twitter ( X ) post, you don't operate faucets anymore, you replaced them with casinos that have a side faucet that can be rolled once per day to win half a Satoshi. You have effectively locked your users out of the funds that they have collected by making the withdraw threshold many years out at one roll per day. Or else they must burn away the coins in the casinos to maybe level up to 3 or 4 rolls a day. When I see freebitco in making such drastic moves, I will then worry about their downfall.

As a team with experience of over 6 years running 20 faucets we wanted to share our feedback about this sleeping giant's faucet.
We've uploaded a new YouTube video about it:

https://youtu.be/cEdhuL980zo

Feel free to watch and share your feedback. Any comments are highly appreciated.