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April 05, 2024, 01:19:02 AM
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I've recently watched a talk that are illustrating how immigration isn't the long-term solution to the problem of a country and that it will only be more problem for that country to take in more immigrants, I'm not saying that taking in isn't a good thing especially if we're talking about people that are a casualty of war and they're seeking asylum, by all means take them in because they've already got no homeland to come back to in a while, they deserve the respite and the asylum away from war. Also, it's futile to fight illegal immigration and the smuggling of these immigrants because you can never win, the best thing that you can do if you're the country that's having this problem, you're probably better off helping that other country where you've got a lot of immigrants to prosper, that way, people from that country won't have any reason to migrate and make more money there since they're going to be fine with just where they are, it's what's the gist of the talk of that I've watched, I'll leave the link below, if you want to check it out.

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Border opening can either be harmful or be helpful to a country, it works vice versa. It can be harmful in the sense that bad goods and services can be brought in,weapons can be smuggled in, illegal migration of non citizens can have quick access to a country when the border officials are corrupt.
     It can also be helpful due to the price of goods and services because there will be competition in the market place there by making goods cheaper, it also strengthen international relationship.
Opening a country's borders often has negative implications. As the country is currently riddled with corruption the number of illegal activities will increase. But protection will be maintained if government controls are in place. There is freedom to travel between many areas as if you were traveling internally. There are no border checkpoints at the borders of the Schengen area. Also flights in the Schengen area are treated as if they are domestic flights you do not clear immigration upon arrival.
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No country should open its borders illegally.  Each country has its own safeguards in place.  And that country is separated from other countries by its borders.  But if the border is not adequately secured and the border is not closed, many unethical activities can start from there.  Such as smuggling, human trafficking, arms smuggling, smuggling of goods or products by evading government taxes, these are very harmful to a country.  Because every imported and exported product is subject to tax.  From which the country benefits.  But any thing entering the country by tax evasion means for that country.  Moreover, arms trafficking, drug dealing can be a threat to a country.
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Either of the decision of a country in opening the boarder or closing it, it has to be to the favour of the citizens because it both has benefit disadvantages, opening a boarder could serves a means for illegal entry of the people and other contrabands that could be dangerous to life, closing it could as well increase the economic challenge of the country especially when they lack the strength and capacity to be responsible for every demands and needs of the people, so looking closely into the condition around any of these decision could be the best thing to start with.
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 The effects of opening border,I think in this case opening of border have good and bad , because not only good and nice goods that was expected from the country can pass the border,bad goods too can pass I mean harmful product so opening of border has a good advantage and bad disadvantage too
Two this are involved,even some of our offers on duty in the border many of them do compromise they do take some money and allow a harmful product to pass the border all because of bribe . asurming our officers on duty are being real,no harmful product wouldnt have pass thro and fro but they do compromise
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The negative effect of border opening can't be compared to the economic benefits of opening of border as it brings bring down price of goods and services

Actually. Keeling the borders of the country opened and having a net positive flux of immigrants moving to the country would make some good and services to increase in price through time. In the case of countries like the United States, a good example is the cost of house, apartments and shelter in general. Which would also translate to the increase of price of renting a place to live.
As people move in, regardless of their social status and income, they all need a place to stay, the more demand and the same offer will inevitably translate to an increase in price, as the demand won't stop any time soon as the USA continues to be an attractive destination for people from developing countries, then it is save to say homed won't decrease in value.

Also, in the country people are moving to do not have enhanced infrastructure in hospitals and in their crop production, they would be also dealing with inflation in medical services and the price of food. The same logic of supply and demand. In the case of the USA, they have very good food production and infrastructure compared to other nations.
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The negative effect of border opening can't be compared to the economic benefits of opening of border as it brings bring down price of goods and services
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Border opening can either be harmful or be helpful to a country, it works vice versa. It can be harmful in the sense that bad goods and services can be brought in,weapons can be smuggled in, illegal migration of non citizens can have quick access to a country when the border officials are corrupt.
     It can also be helpful due to the price of goods and services because there will be competition in the market place there by making goods cheaper, it also strengthen international relationship.

This is a really difficult subject since open borders may lead to a larger interchange of thoughts and customs, as well as higher economic activity, but they can also pose security threats, as you indicated. So I believe it's critical to create a balance between security and transparency. One possible solution is to implement an organization of checks and balances at the border. For example, heightened security measures such as improved screening and background checks for persons entering the nation may be implemented, yet those who are approved to enter may continue to travel freely. This would provide a balance between safety and the enjoyment of mobility.
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Border control serves numerous important purposes within a country, but it is crucial for the government to effectively communicate the reasons behind such measures and address any concerns or skepticism among the population. Transparency is key, especially considering past instances of inadequate border control.

By engaging in open and honest communication, the government can ensure that citizens understand the necessity of border control. This entails providing clear explanations regarding national security, including how border control measures help safeguard the population from potential threats and criminal activities.
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In this case I would like to use my country as an example in Nigerian  the last past four years  was a tangle after the government shut down the boarder that duration difficulty was in the country cause the velocity of things was high in price and also there was a lot of economic situation all over the country and also food starvation will shower over the country and if it doesn't have a substantial boosting of local food production I will say that the country will be forced to go into starvation of food and will not be reasonable I think that should be it disadvantages right now

The government's intention for the border closure was good, but they never took the right part. Before a country's government is supposed to close down the border and restrict all foreign goods from entering, they should make sure that a lot of production has already taken place in their locality, and closing down the border will help the people start valuing and making use of their own-made products.
 
But the reverse was the case for Nigeria; it was all about politics. The government made a move in that hash closure because some groups of producers wanted to benefit the most from it. They stopped things from entering the country and later still took licenses from a few entrepreneurs, giving them to only selected people, who were to benefit the most from the border closure. In such a case, those in charge are now controlling the price of goods, which would have been at the lowest cost as they were home-made and not imported, but it seems like the reverse was the case.

So in the case of Nigeria, the border closure caused more harm to the citizens than the good it was supposed to bring. This is just based on my own observation and how I understood and witnessed the whole situation.
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Border opening can either be harmful or be helpful to a country, it works vice versa. It can be harmful in the sense that bad goods and services can be brought in,weapons can be smuggled in, illegal migration of non citizens can have quick access to a country when the border officials are corrupt.
     It can also be helpful due to the price of goods and services because there will be competition in the market place there by making goods cheaper, it also strengthen international relationship.

In this case I would like to use my country as an example in Nigerian  the last past four years  was a tangle after the government shut down the boarder that duration difficulty was in the country cause the velocity of things was high in price and also there was a lot of economic situation all over the country and also food starvation will shower over the country and if it doesn't have a substantial boosting of local food production I will say that the country will be forced to go into starvation of food and will not be reasonable I think that should be it disadvantages right now
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Open border policy, if the name implies that it's free to enter and reside in the country, simply doesn't work. Human has always needed a border. Look at your house, do you have a fence surrounding your house? Most of us have it for various reasons for protection/security and privacy. We are the same human being as our neighbor but they should also respect our property.

If we zoom out to the nation's level, there is so much wealth, education, and cultural disparity that will make regular "aliens" unable to assimilate with the locals. Hence, the selection (and education) process is strictly conducted to make sure these people can live better with the locals. It doesn't mean the "aliens" have bad intentions or bad behavior. They simply have so many differences and are unable to adjust/adapt, and then create a problem in society.

However, often, "open border policy" still includes selection processes and education to select the most suitable candidate to become a citizen.
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Border opening can either be harmful or be helpful to a country, it works vice versa. It can be harmful in the sense that bad goods and services can be brought in,weapons can be smuggled in, illegal migration of non citizens can have quick access to a country when the border officials are corrupt.
The bad side is they'll never know the immigrants/refugees if they've got bad intentions or bad habits so it will eventually out when they are already there. Like this news in France, an immigrant attacked children.
(https://www.foxnews.com/world/syrian-refugee-injures-4-children-adult-knife-attack-french-alps-annecy-report)

It can also be helpful due to the price of goods and services because there will be competition in the market place there by making goods cheaper, it also strengthen international relationship.
Yeah, that's the good side of it. There will be more people working and there will be more taxation for them as it will contribute to the economy of the country where they'll go. Thus, it should be weighed properly if a country really needs them or not. Most citizens don't want to see immigrants in their country and that's one reality.
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In this aspect what I have to say in this particular issue is that closing of border have a lot of effects in a society because the cause of commodities would be high than the normal so it is good for a government to open a border for the citizen for easy importation and exportation of goods from another country to come in in the country and also their own product to go outside their country that is the benefit and advantages of opening and closing of border
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As human beings as a whole fail to meet basic reproduction needs to sustain the population going forward, immigration will likely be viewed by politicians as a way to keep the boat afloat and keep tax revenue coming in while society begins to collapse. The downside being that the immigrants will likely be relocating because they want a better life, and this are likely a less wealthy class so more prone to crime, etc.
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Border opening has both good and bad effect, the good effect is the inflow of most consumed goods to the country that has low production of such goods, some country do not produce cars so the easiest way to bring in this cars is through the border, but the border need scrutiny in other to check the inflow of adulterated and contraband goods.
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Border opening can either be harmful or be helpful to a country, it works vice versa. It can be harmful in the sense that bad goods and services can be brought in,weapons can be smuggled in, illegal migration of non citizens can have quick access to a country when the border officials are corrupt.
     It can also be helpful due to the price of goods and services because there will be competition in the market place there by making goods cheaper, it also strengthen international relationship.
Don't you know what's border and it effects when is open and when is close, if border is close in any country they will not be importation and exportation of goods and services and that will result a hardship because the country will be using what they generate in their country and no goods will be coming to the country and any goods that enters the country will pay higher amount of fees to smuggle goods and it will result as high price of commodity because of the money paid in border to let in the goods, border opening will create more advantages to the country because price of goods and services will be cheap
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What happens to the culture of a country when you systematically import immigrants into a country, illegally or not, who don't conform to the values of said country?

Just recently -- Syrian refugee goes on mass stabbing attack targeting children and women: https://news.sky.com/story/syrian-refugee-who-stabbed-british-child-and-five-others-in-annecy-knife-attack-was-denied-asylum-in-france-12899146

Turns out many of these Syrian refugees don't adapt to westernized culture very well.

The crime increases, and more cultural fragmentation within society leads to weaker social capital and structure. Sure, if you want cheap labor just bring in cheap workers from other countries. But there are long term impacts that go beyond the economic benefits. Culture can be lost in less than a generation -- a country is not a country without closed borders.
When these refugees entered Europe many of them were already radicalized and some were also radicalized in European nations they just can't stand or tolerate Western culture. It was disheartening to see a fully grown up sane man stabbing children. What did that innocent child do to you? Children that are peaceful and open-minded are the ones he wants to kill. Some people say it is because of religion and I tell them that it is not totally the truth because the Islam I know is a peaceful religion. It doesn't promote violence and the killing of innocent people.

There are still many Syrians living peacefully and productively in Europe. Some of them have integrated so much socially, some own good businesses and work in reputable organizations. So you cannot shut your borders because you might also shut out the productive human resources. There will always be changes or alterations of cultural heritage, there are some cultures that have disappeared. Like in Africa, many cultures have been diluted with the European lifestyle, my local language is been replaced with French and English words.
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Fact every country is a company. Without benefits very few refugees would reside in places where money miraculously arrives in bank account for doing nothing. The residents of a company (country) are part of the assets. You may support any company or become a  sovereign individual.
The bribery system in place of supporting a particular company only works with freely printed money.
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weapons can be smuggled in
When you talk about smuggling, whether or not border is closed, smuggling takes place. So, rather than a government trying to close bother totally, they should instead try to reinforce the agencies in charge of checking the Inter country movement of goods and people.
If you because of bad eggs and shut the whole border against a country, it will bounce back to your people when your business will begin to cripple.
The world is connected, everyone country needs another's help to survive.
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If there is an effort to control what goes through the border and it is working fine, there should be need to consider closing the border in the first place. Countries close their borders mainly when it has become an Access point for things and people not needed in a country to enter. Although closing the borders will not stop these activities completely, it will make things more difficult for people involved and will have the effect of reducing the number of these things or people not needed. Countries that want to border to be opened and what to control the activities need to be prepared, because it is always a big task. Officials there are always more likely to become corrupt after a while because of the constant bribes that is offered to them to let some things pass.

It is easier in some countries than in others, let us not forget that.
In the case of the United States, the border is such a long line that in my opinion is a titanic work to even try to control the influx of people and smuggling.
That is the most obvious case and the one that appears more on news.

In the case of the other countries like those in the European continent they have natural barriers which can prevent the flux to be as big as into the USA, the Mediterranean sea and the mountains of central Europe.  I have seen people on internet calling to let immigrants to die to those natural obstacles instead of helping them to survive. It is simply heartbreaking how society can be sometimes.

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If there is an effort to control what goes through the border and it is working fine, there should be need to consider closing the border in the first place. Countries close their borders mainly when it has become an Access point for things and people not needed in a country to enter. Although closing the borders will not stop these activities completely, it will make things more difficult for people involved and will have the effect of reducing the number of these things or people not needed. Countries that want to border to be opened and what to control the activities need to be prepared, because it is always a big task. Officials there are always more likely to become corrupt after a while because of the constant bribes that is offered to them to let some things pass.
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Opening of boarders has advantages and it disadvantages but provided that the government officials and leaders will be upto task by not being bias in their role and discharge of duties, the reopening is worth encouraging for because many illicit entries will be apprehended at he boarder entrance to curb all forms of infiltrations and importations of illegal weapons, drugs and other materials for use which could serve a big danger in transmission of illegal items to ones country.
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Border opening can either be harmful or be helpful to a country, it works vice versa. It can be harmful in the sense that bad goods and services can be brought in,weapons can be smuggled in, illegal migration of non citizens can have quick access to a country when the border officials are corrupt.
     It can also be helpful due to the price of goods and services because there will be competition in the market place there by making goods cheaper, it also strengthen international relationship.

What happens to the culture of a country when you systematically import immigrants into a country, illegally or not, who don't conform to the values of said country?

Just recently -- Syrian refugee goes on mass stabbing attack targeting children and women: https://news.sky.com/story/syrian-refugee-who-stabbed-british-child-and-five-others-in-annecy-knife-attack-was-denied-asylum-in-france-12899146

Turns out many of these Syrian refugees don't adapt to westernized culture very well.

The crime increases, and more cultural fragmentation within society leads to weaker social capital and structure. Sure, if you want cheap labor just bring in cheap workers from other countries. But there are long term impacts that go beyond the economic benefits. Culture can be lost in less than a generation -- a country is not a country without closed borders.
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Border opening can either be harmful or be helpful to a country, it works vice versa. It can be harmful in the sense that bad goods and services can be brought in,weapons can be smuggled in, illegal migration of non citizens can have quick access to a country when the border officials are corrupt.
     It can also be helpful due to the price of goods and services because there will be competition in the market place there by making goods cheaper, it also strengthen international relationship.

One of the dangers of opening a country's border is that it affects local industries negatively. If imported goods are cheaper people will buy more foreign goods and fewer goods produced by indigenous industries which makes them lose market share. When they don't make a profit it will lead to a decline or fall of the industries thereby encouraging unemployment. Donald Trump once shut the American borders against Chinese goods to boast the local industry of the US. Just recently some countries in Europe had to control their borders to reduce the inflow of cheap Ukrainian grains because the local farmer needs to be protected from losses.

But it could lead to the transfer of technology and ideas. People can migrate to a country with skills and technology. When goods and services freely flow in and out of different countries there is always a transfer of investment, financing, skills, and technology. The best carpenters in my country are from a neighboring nation and they have gradually transferred their skills to the local carpenters.
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It is a sensitive topic, actually. Specially in the United States and Europe.
On one hand, there should be clear and strong immigration laws and legal path for those who seek to move into a new country in the correct way, on the other hand those who are desperate enough to risk their life and freedom also are supposed to be considered, they are human beings after all.

A Border is not only about drug smuggling or illegal activity, there are also cultural and human barriers which should not let us forget we all bleed and suffer the same way as human beings.
I agree with you the problem is not in the border being opened or closed, the problem is what are the laws and regulations that have been put in place to regulate the activities and check both entry and exit of a country's border to checkmate if everything follows governments policy and laws, border mean a lot to a country since that is the door to the country it must be safe guided if not a country can lose their freedom through
Unchecked access in some borders, like in my country where the land border has been freely accessed by foreigners from other close countries and thahas affecteded the security situations here as the is a high rate of arms smuggling for illegal use.

Besides the smuggling and the illegal stuff which can happen because bad people take advantage of the desperation of others, there is also the theory about the cultural impact the massive immigration can have on a country, some people say the impact can be possitive or negative.

I personally think it can be both, because immigration bring both bad and good people, but we should never discriminate based on skin color,.religion or nationality. We are all human, after all.
You are right Hispo, boarders have both their positive and negative impact to a country. Illegal activities is part of human nature due to the way we find ourselves in the other side of life. It is not everyone that will enter a house through the front door, some will follow the back door and some from the window. What I mean is that all fingers are not equal and therefore migrants migrate not have the legal access to a neighboring country but through the boarders, these migrants can have easy access to such country to add labour force to that country's economy. Smuggling is what is mostly common within boarders,I don't know if am correct with this statement because in my country this is what happens in our boarders.
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It is a sensitive topic, actually. Specially in the United States and Europe.
On one hand, there should be clear and strong immigration laws and legal path for those who seek to move into a new country in the correct way, on the other hand those who are desperate enough to risk their life and freedom also are supposed to be considered, they are human beings after all.

A Border is not only about drug smuggling or illegal activity, there are also cultural and human barriers which should not let us forget we all bleed and suffer the same way as human beings.
I agree with you the problem is not in the border being opened or closed, the problem is what are the laws and regulations that have been put in place to regulate the activities and check both entry and exit of a country's border to checkmate if everything follows governments policy and laws, border mean a lot to a country since that is the door to the country it must be safe guided if not a country can lose their freedom through
Unchecked access in some borders, like in my country where the land border has been freely accessed by foreigners from other close countries and thahas affecteded the security situations here as the is a high rate of arms smuggling for illegal use.

Besides the smuggling and the illegal stuff which can happen because bad people take advantage of the desperation of others, there is also the theory about the cultural impact the massive immigration can have on a country, some people say the impact can be possitive or negative.

I personally think it can be both, because immigration bring both bad and good people, but we should never discriminate based on skin color,.religion or nationality. We are all human, after all.
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It is a sensitive topic, actually. Specially in the United States and Europe.
On one hand, there should be clear and strong immigration laws and legal path for those who seek to move into a new country in the correct way, on the other hand those who are desperate enough to risk their life and freedom also are supposed to be considered, they are human beings after all.

A Border is not only about drug smuggling or illegal activity, there are also cultural and human barriers which should not let us forget we all bleed and suffer the same way as human beings.
I agree with you the problem is not in the border being opened or closed, the problem is what are the laws and regulations that have been put in place to regulate the activities and check both entry and exit of a country's border to checkmate if everything follows governments policy and laws, border mean a lot to a country since that is the door to the country it must be safe guided if not a country can lose their freedom through
Unchecked access in some borders, like in my country where the land border has been freely accessed by foreigners from other close countries and thahas affecteded the security situations here as the is a high rate of arms smuggling for illegal use.
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It is a sensitive topic, actually. Specially in the United States and Europe.
On one hand, there should be clear and strong immigration laws and legal path for those who seek to move into a new country in the correct way, on the other hand those who are desperate enough to risk their life and freedom also are supposed to be considered, they are human beings after all.

A Border is not only about drug smuggling or illegal activity, there are also cultural and human barriers which should not let us forget we all bleed and suffer the same way as human beings.

No country is stopping immigrants but it has to be done the right way, those who are desperate due to no documents or financial constrain should remain in their country because going  into another country you don't know anybody can lead to different crime just to survive.
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It is a sensitive topic, actually. Specially in the United States and Europe.
On one hand, there should be clear and strong immigration laws and legal path for those who seek to move into a new country in the correct way, on the other hand those who are desperate enough to risk their life and freedom also are supposed to be considered, they are human beings after all.

A Border is not only about drug smuggling or illegal activity, there are also cultural and human barriers which should not let us forget we all bleed and suffer the same way as human beings.
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Border opening can either be harmful or be helpful to a country, it works vice versa. It can be harmful in the sense that bad goods and services can be brought in,weapons can be smuggled in, illegal migration of non citizens can have quick access to a country when the border officials are corrupt.
     It can also be helpful due to the price of goods and services because there will be competition in the market place there by making goods cheaper, it also strengthen international relationship.
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