Topic: The election has already been stolen (Read 215 times)

Oh, alrighty then.
Maybe Russia can find an American citizen, any American citizen, wire him a billion dollars, and he would then be legally allowed to buy out any politician based on your standards.

Why not have Iran, Afghanistan and North Korea join in the party as well?

And while we're at it, AIPAC is legally allowed to receive donations from foreign nationals given it's legal status as a Social Welfare Organization. And they don't even have to disclose it.

https://www.mololamken.com/knowledge-How-Is-It-Illegal-for-Foreign-Nationals-and-Governments-To-Contribute-to-U-S-Campaigns

But imagine what would happen if someone in American tried to start an organization for any of the afformentioned countries. Similarly, the Muslim Brotherhood faces sanctions as if it were a terrorist group. Albeit in the US it functioned like nothing more than a mere lobby by Americans. Similarly with Russia's RT being labeled a Russian adversary.

Israeli Jews in the US are allowed to buy politicians and run the media without any interference however.
If America didn't have double standards, AIPAC would have been sanctioned for being supported by a designated terrorist genocidal state as per international law and a few media empires owned by media moghuls with well documented ties to the Zionist lobby would have been broken up too.

But if a foreign adversary can buy an election with at least $200 million and none of the major politicians bat an eye, maybe the US political establishment has gone too far to look back now. Maybe time for a change.

Nice try playing the Hoax/Witchhunt card.

After 2016, Republicans appointed a Republican Special Councilor who determined as fact that Russia "interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion" to help Trump / hurt Clinton.

After that, the Republicans formed the Senate intelligence committee on the Russia investigation which came to the same conclusion.

Cambridge Analytica didn't come out till a couple years later I think, but that's all been proven as well.

Also, AIPAC is an American organization.  There aren't any laws against Americans lobbying their own government over foreign policy matters, so I don't think anything will come of this.  I'm not that confident though.

Nowadays, elections are the most rigged, because anyone can be violent in the pursuit of power.  In the event that Trump was in power for a long time, this opportunity was created by various people.  Maybe many are greedy for power and greed for money and do not hesitate to commit such crimes.  So I think it is natural to succeed by making the people confident and properly controlled by the Election Commission from the beginning.  Because there is a good chance that the election will be fair this year.

No conspiracies at all. There are well documented claims of interference and usage of the social media, particularly Facebook, to target very specific audiences paid with money from foreign countries with the aim to swing the vote to Republican.

I am not sure if you are not aware or your are aware but trying to ignore the full US Congress investigation into the matter:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook–Cambridge_Analytica_data_scandal

Do not try to blur the information so that all looks the same shit, it is not.

Mail-in ballots stolen out of citizen mail boxes. How many times has this happened throughout the country? If you request a new ballot, will you get it on time for the election? Millions of votes might have been lost this way.


California Man Discovers Stack of Mail-In Ballots in Storm Drain

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/10/california-man-discovers-stack-mail-ballots-storm-drain/
This incident, first reported by ABC 7, adds fuel to ongoing debates surrounding election security and potential fraud.

While landscaping near his property, Senese noticed unusual debris in the storm drain adjacent to his house.

Upon closer inspection, he discovered the ballots, which were addressed to residents in nearby Arcadia, California.

"We're trained here to keep stuff out of the storm drain. So I got down on my hands and knees and dug around a little bit and started pulling it out," Senese told ABC 7.

"I pulled out a bunch of junk mail—Ralphs ads and Aldi—and these ballots were mixed in with the junk mail. Of course, they caught my attention because we're seeing on TV about all the care being taken to prevent fraud and misuse of ballots. It seemed a strange place for ballots to be."

Senese's story has quickly become emblematic of what conservatives have long feared: the mishandling and potential tampering of mail-in ballots that could jeopardize free and fair elections. Despite the Democrats' insistence that mail-in voting is secure, instances like this continue to pile up, undermining public trust.

Senese's suspicion? Someone went through mailboxes in the area, took what they wanted, and dumped the unwanted items—including these official ballots—into the storm drain.

"I'm one of these people who's gotten almost everything paperless now. I don't get a lot of personal mail. The only thing I get these days that might be like that is a replacement credit card or something," Senese said.

In response to the incident, the LA County Registrar's website allows voters to request a replacement ballot if theirs has been lost or stolen, but you can only do so once.
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It sounds logical to me they are keeping their choice a secret, so they can continue to gather money from both donors who want Donald Trump to win and donors who would rather to see Kamala Harris in the white house, if they made clear whom they are supporting, they would not receive as much money as they are currently receiving. Besides, both candidates will continue to do Israel's bidding so it is pretty much the same for the IAPAC.
Though, Trump is more unconditional when comes to supporting Israel than Kamala Harris is, the latter would depend a minimum of respect and accountability against those who violate the rights of the Palestinian people, Trump would not care in the slightest.

There is nothing wrong in supporting candidates who will support the course of a nation or organization. After all, businesses also support political parties to gain favour and political patronage. It's not surprising that Joe Biden is not enforcing policies that will reduce the support Israel gets from the US to execute wars in the Middle East.

It is obvious that this organization has so much influence in determining the winners of the US elections. I tried to check the candidates they are supporting in this presidential election and didn't find any. Maybe they are supporting both candidates or keeping their choice secret.

There is always the case of interest for whoever is donating huge sums of money during elections, this a normal thing everywhere. They want to have influence in the government if the candidate that they're funding wins. But I don't think that I've heard of any organization or lobbying group that will support two major political parties. So if AIPAC is supporting the two parties directly or indirectly through their donations, that'll be a win win for them. So no matter who wins the election, the interest of Israel in USA is guaranteed, I think that is a smart move for them. If the two parties are beneficiaries of AIPAC donations, then I don't see how the election is stolen.

Nobody has stolen the election, this is an election season so all of this speculation will certainly come up. I remember too well when that rumor of Russian hackers aided Trump to win that election, America is the front runner when comes to free and fair elections in a Democratical setting, that election was won fairly and squarely by Donald Trump, as his campaign and rally was like a tsunami then. A sow loser will always want cling his/her lose to something, when Donald Trump lost his reelection bid, did he accuse anyone of manipulating the result, of course no, he took it in good fate and left.

Looking at America and her standard of democracy, on who's interested is AIPAC interfering for, is it for the Donald Trump or Kamala Harris, because I feel those interest cannot be greater than that of the American citizens.

Well, that's a whole other subject.

If voting was a right and you were entitled to at least a few hours leave to go vote, many more people would be able to vote in person.
Better yet, make election day a national holiday but actually enforce it (not like in poor European countries like mine where enforcement is a joke).

Also with all the modern technology we have I don't understand why there's geographical restrictions on where somebody can vote. What if I'm working, traveling, moving etc? Electoral records would be yet another bureaucratic procedure placed on me just so I can vote... Mail-in voting is supposed to be a solution to these issues, albeit it's not easy to implement and often has issues.

So I'd say we would first need to fix legislation on lifting or easing some of these restrictions for in-person voting with paper ballots, because really it's the most secure method we already have. And maybe later focus on technology too.

There is no reason with today's technology, that everyone couldn't be voting on a blockchain from wherever they are.   Someone should be able to steal; the election instantly and securely.   

When money and politics in involved, specially when we talk of the will of the people and elections, always the loser is democracy and those who try to fight everyday to secure the system treats each one of the citizens equally.
It is worth pointing out, though, that in the United States it is perfectly legal for politicians to receive donations for their campaigns, politicians can only use that money for the intended use of promoting themselves as a candidate for public office and trying to directly funnel that money into their own pockets is illegal, still I am sure they use some grey area to do it anyways.
AIPAC may be one of the reason why the status of Israel will continue to be unchanged as the number one ally of the USA, not matter whether the president of the country is a republican or a democrat. It seems that pressure group has pretty well secured the will of both parties thanks to the power of money.

If by chance there is people in the USA who do not agree in sending money and weapons to Israel, those folks have been pretty much disfranchised.

The story didn't really say if the expenditure was for the procurement of elections materials but rather as a part of
TV  adverts and mails to the US citizens as a way of influencing their votes. So now the question is "to whose favour exactly are the AIPAC influencing voters votes to"? There must be an interest directed to a party or individual.
Taking a look at the quote below from the article, it doesn't seem they're targeted on spending for parties but for candidates in support of Israel's vision against Gaza notwithstanding the political part whether democrat or republican.[/quote]
The article article speaks volume which is obvious to the blind about any connection therein.

Who's the loser? Democracy?

Because there's not one party that loses here, it's only the will of the people that loses.
Zionists buy their favoured politicians all the air time, ads and campaign trails. They give them everything they need. And when people organize a grassroots campaign it becomes incredibly hard to compete against this.
The issue with money in politics was pre-existing. Now this is an absolute abuse of the system in place. And it's absolutely hypocritical for politicians of both parties to talk about election interference when taking AIPAC money.

The thing is, the loser always comes up with an excuse to justify or console his or her followers on why they lost an election, The high level of manipulation and negative games being played in the Political ecosystem is alarming, lately, it has become the ground race of let the strongest and best liar wins. Democracy in general has been hijacked by people with personal agendas. I pray we get it right someday.

As for me, i will say the election is not stolen yet, but we shouldn't let our own vote be stolen as same as our individual conscience, we are not to be moved by all these they are saying, as the truth been said, we should collect their money and make the right decision of our choice on whom to cast vote for, they should keep spending away the fund that has already been stolen and the people will be ready in receiving them back while we vote for our own choice.

May I know why you write such a false title?

Pretty clickbait, I think.

"Zionists buy US politicians" would be a more accurate title.

I am not going to discuss whether you are more or less right, I have enough discussions lately.

Trump Received 100 million USD from a singe ultra-rich Jewish donor, and it was no secret that she was giving her money to Trump to advance a zionist agenda. That's not me saying this, that's her past as covered by the otherwise pro-Israel New York Times.
https://archive.fo/wMEu6

And since Vance, Harris and Biden all have a history of being elected in other positions previously, you'll notice that they have received hundreds of thousands of pro-Israel lobby donations in the past:
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S&t0-search=Vance

Just search their names in the above. In 2024, pro-Israel PACs gave almost equal amounts to Democrats and Republicans:
https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/industry-detail/Q05/2024

But the thing is they're going much deeper than just the presidential campaign...
https://nysfocus.com/2024/06/06/new-york-elections-israel-donations

They've been trying to target places where grassroots campaigns are held by the locals, even as low as the state assembly level. Funneling in big cash to crush candidates they consider too radical. So it's not so much about which presidential candidate. Both Trump and Kamala and their parties both bad in that regard.  The pro-Israel lobby is truly a threat to American democracy. Previously there have been efforts to rid America of pan-arab, Iranian, Iraqi and Russian lobbying... It's so ironic how this hasn't been done for Israel yet.

Which candidate would the AIPAC support?

Personally, I think Trump is slightly better for America. 

The only silver lining I see in Kamala is she might be slightly more likely to stand up to Israel and deny them additional funding and arms transfers.  But Dems have said that for years and never once actually denied Israel anything.  In fact, their recent threat to deny Israel further aid is a joke as it comes precisely at a time when Biden is a lame duck with Alzheimer's, with slightly more than 50% chance Trump will be his replacement and undo everything he does.  So once again, Dems did nothing and waited till the last minute to virtue signal about it.  *slow sarcastic applause*  I guess I'll take Trump then.

What exactly is AIPAC spending on that amounted to $100M and above.
Are they spending to procure election materials for US;
Are they spending for voters sensitisation?;
Are they spending for Democrats or Republicans?;
Do they have any motive they made public about the elections;
There should be something connecting to another here.

It has become quite clear to me that anything in which Israel and their government is involved in cannot be measured with in the same way they world of the world would, if they did exactly the same thing they do, both on the middle east and also on American soil.
AIPAC is about influencing both parties so they make sure there will be always a positive outcome for the interest of Israel in the middle east, regardless whether the president is part of the democrat party or a republican, basically they take advantage of the political duopoly under the people of the USA are living since many decades.
Bot republicans and democrats cannot get along in many topics, like what they are supposed to fund with public money or what fair taxes look like, but they always agree Israel is to be defended and funded unconditionally by taxpayers, part of it if thanks to the AIPAC and similar lobbies established by Israel in USA.

If Russians or Ukrainians did something similar to this both parties would throw rocks at each other, no doubt about it.

Republicans and Democrats alike have their own theories of how the election is stolen.

After 2016 Democrats circulated conspiracies that Cambridge analytica and Russian hackers aided Trump's election campaign leading him to eventually get an edge over Hillary Clinton.

Then, in 2020 many pro trump republicans claimed the Democrat party cabal hid, faked or manipulated many votes resulting to Trump losing.

But who's going to talk about the real election theft? Who's going to talk about the fact that an organization of foreign interests has been influencing this year's electoral procedures with over $100 million? This organization is AIPAC and both parties that are considered "viable" in America benefit from their lobbying.

Isn't this foreign interference? Isn't this racketeering? If not, why are rhese people held to a different standard?