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Being an early adopter of bitcoin showed the world the value of getting in early. Is it possible the same trend will also apply to any economic downtrend which occurs and its recovery?

The problem is that most of us don't have enough money to live on for months or years and many people seem to think that the economy will collapse and burn at any moment now, but everything needs a process in that direction.

Yes, My view is Bitcoin is one of them, and the probability of a return could far exceed all-time highs. I know this is a tough statement for an asset class that is so new to existence and very volatile in today's times, but I believe bitcoin can be a win-win solution as well.

The real evidence comes when we start to see positive results within a few years, and financial experts can come back and say, "I told you so." And with that in mind, put yourself in a better mental state by remembering some of these recession myths.
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This is why we will most likely get lower rates in the future. The world cannot function with rates this high.

I think when we get close to 2% inflation, there will be rate cuts and inflation will rise to 3-4% but rates will keep dropping anyways. The fed has no choice. Especially with all the debt it has to maintain. They might even cut rates earlier when something basically breaks like the bond markets or some nasty recession.
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The end of cheap money!

Finally! I mean the actual end! The real end!
Not like the previous one starting in 2004! like he one predicted by the Economist:
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2004/04/22/the-end-of-cheap-money
or in 2015 by the same publication:
Borrowers tremble—but the end of cheap credit is not all bad news
or January this year:
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2022/01/29/markets-have-fallen-because-the-era-of-free-money-is-coming-to-an-end

And I can find 100 ends for every goddamn publication out here, don't believe me?. Here is the financial times:
2013 Asian groups struggle with end of cheap money
2017 End of cheap money leaves central bankers lost for words
2021 The Fed needs to call time on cheap money

This cheap money scare looks a lot like the weak hands, once the cheap money gone is gone something, something will happen, once the weak hands are erased from the bitcoin market we hit the moon. Ironically, every single time there is a market scare the blame goes to cheap money being printed and to weak hands panicking.

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Poor countries could explode with anger, as they feel they are the victims of richer countries’ actions. They didn’t flood the world with cheap money, they didn’t get many vaccines to help with the pandemic, they didn’t cause the food or energy crises – and they are not to blame for the climate crisis which is hitting their countries particularly badly.

Oh yeah, let's throw in blame the west bs to score some points and make a few curious about what's this guy about, and since he's posting his Twitter links in his article, @hugodixon, oh just be amazed of what is morphing there

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How can we combat mental illness, fight bigoted populism and save the planet? Put meaning at the heart of our culture. That’s the gist of my Tedx Talk in Athens, which criticises our liberal democratic culture as too materialistic and hedonistic.

That's the problem guys, we should go back to our caves, our sole possession a stick and a club, and save the earth from our corrupted hedonistic culture.
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During inflation it is wise to spend your money and waste it. Not beforehand, if you are spending it on useless stuff during money printing period then you are not going to save anything for a reasonable level but at the end of the day if we are talking about a period where it is not really a situation where you can stop the inflation then we shouldn't really be worrying about it because during inflation all things go down, especially when governments are trying to fix it like right now.

This is the reason it is much better to just waste it, because the prices will go up anyway, so it’s better to buy it right now for material things that won't mean anything later on.
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I wonder if a good strategy here could be to forget about recession and economic collapse. Focus on the rebound. Begin planning. Preparing. Taking steps for a return to a pre pandemic economy. What would that look like. What can people do to fast track a trend in that direction. Its been said that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Being an early adopter of bitcoin showed the world the value of getting in early. Is it possible the same trend will also apply to any economic downtrend which occurs and its recovery?

That sounds like a good strategy indeed. The recession is only a temporary event that is not going to last. Economic growth has always happened in cycles, with bigger recessions happening on average every 10 years. In the 1990s we had the Asian debt crisis, in the 2000s we had the IT bubble, in 2008 the subprime mortgage crisis, and now the energy inflation crisis. All of these events lead to recessions which were overcome in a few years, only to reach new ATHs afterwards. I am sure the same is going to happen after our current crisis. And the best we can do to focus on the recovery is to stay invested. Both crypto currencies and stocks will rise quickly once the recovery is on its way.
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I wonder if a good strategy here could be to forget about recession and economic collapse. Focus on the rebound. Begin planning. Preparing. Taking steps for a return to a pre pandemic economy. What would that look like. What can people do to fast track a trend in that direction. Its been said that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Being an early adopter of bitcoin showed the world the value of getting in early. Is it possible the same trend will also apply to any economic downtrend which occurs and its recovery?


This would have been a good hypothesis if the country trying to forget about what is called recession or economic collapse and the cause of them was a super country. Or the countries trying to forget the history of covid-19 pandemic is living and existing with her people in isolation from other countries. We know that the economic harshness is not a result of one individual country causing it but a reflection of the global market activity or economy. Shifting from covid-19 and talkng straight on the economic aspect for example crude oil and it byproducts, now the price of oil is still speculated to increase and no country that is running without these products so you see where is tied to. Certainly, the economies will adjust and adjustment means a little more increase in prices. Therefore preparing to take steps in returning to pre pandemic economy looks elusive and unachievable. What then to do as an individual is investment whether late or early, it will yield benefits than waiting for your government to push back to pre pandemic era because economies have always been bad or worse than the previous decades.
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I wonder if a good strategy here could be to forget about recession and economic collapse. Focus on the rebound. Begin planning. Preparing. Taking steps for a return to a pre pandemic economy. What would that look like. What can people do to fast track a trend in that direction. Its been said that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Being an early adopter of bitcoin showed the world the value of getting in early. Is it possible the same trend will also apply to any economic downtrend which occurs and its recovery?

Are you trying to somewhat mix personal finance with macroeconomics? Grin
The only way to survive in a difficult economy is to cut all unnecessary expenses, work harder, try to increase your income and lower your debts without getting into new debts. Personal finance isn't supposed to be rocket science.
The debt problems of the global economy are a different topic. There's no easy solution, that could prevent mass bankrupts and lead to fast global recovery, followed by a massive GDP growth.
Being an early adopted of Bitcoin is like being an early shareholder in Google or Facebook. Investing in promising projects when almost nobody sees the potential of those projects is a way to make a lot of money. The problem is how to spot a truly great project from the beginning.
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32 trillion debt usa is 100,000 per us citizen and 4000 for each person in the world

195 trillion world debt means about  24000 for each person in the world

We can no longer work a system this way.

I still feel like the US issuing new banknotes in 2013 was a symptom of the old note becoming untenable - like a German mark but less extreme.

I wonder if that's what's happening here.

I actually remember the debt being at 21 trillion last year, IIRC.
legendary
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Bitcoin needs a minion or two to work.

Doge has endless decreasing inflation rate.

year 1 x coins
year 2 2x coins 100% inflation
year 3 3x coins   50% inflation
year 4 4x coins   33% inflation
year 5 5x coins   25% inflation

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year 10 10 x coins
year 11 11 x coins 10% inflation rate
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year 20 20x coins
year 21 21x coins 5% inflation rate.


combine this with the fixed number of btc 21 million

you can have a super bond 1 btc
and an endless but limited ‘money’ supply doge.


both coins do not print in the irresponsible manner the dollar does.

32 trillion debt usa is 100,000 per us citizen and 4000 for each person in the world

195 trillion world debt means about  24000 for each person in the world

We can no longer work a system this way.
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LONDON (Reuters Breakingviews) - The global financial crisis of 2008 was supposed to have taught the world the dangers of excessive debt. But borrowing has shot up since then. The debt of governments, companies and households was 195% of global GDP in 2007, according to the International Monetary Fund. By the end of 2020 it had reached 256%.

These debt mountains are harder to bear because interest rates are rising to stamp out inflation, the Covid-19 pandemic and the energy crisis have clobbered growth, and investors are more averse to risk. This will cause economic stress especially in Europe, China and the Global South, poisoning domestic politics and geopolitics.

Debt has risen for three main reasons. First, governments bailed out the financial system. Then they supported households and companies during the pandemic. Now they are cushioning the blow of eye-popping gas and electricity prices.

QE DEBT SPLURGE

Cheap money enabled these splurges. In the West, this came in the form of quantitative easing (QE), where central banks bought government bonds and other assets. While they were right to use QE to prevent an economic slump, cheap money has been a painkiller. Many governments stopped worrying about balancing their books. Companies and emerging markets also leveraged up.

If the borrowers had used the money to fund productive investment, that might not have mattered. But instead, they spent much of it on unproductive investment or consumption.

China’s excess property construction is the prime example of unproductive investment. The country’s debt as a proportion of GDP has doubled since 2007, according to the IMF. This is suffocating its economy and is one of the reasons the World Bank has just slashed its growth forecast for China this year from 5% to just 2.8%.

Meanwhile, European governments’ massive support operations during the pandemic and the energy crisis are a classic example of borrowing to fund consumption. Politicians have made little attempt to target subsidies at the most vulnerable.

The poor productivity of this borrowing can be seen in the data. In the past decade, global debt has risen by $90 trillion, whereas GDP has grown by only $20 trillion, according to Sonja Gibbs, who leads the Institute of International Finance’s (IIF) debt policy work.

Artificially cheap money has also encouraged risky behaviour. Investors have used leverage to help them chase higher returns, while funding long-term assets with short-term borrowing. The UK pension fund industry, which effectively received a bailout from the Bank of England last week, is a good example of the former. The British habit of funding house purchases with mortgages whose interest rate is floating or fixed for short periods is an example of the latter. Other problems are bound to emerge now the era of cheap money is ending.

ROADRUNNER POLITICS

It’s not just central banks that are pushing up interest rates in a belated attempt to restrain inflation. So-called “bond vigilantes” – debt investors who impose discipline on profligate borrowers – are waking up from their long slumber.

The sharp fall in British sovereign bonds last week before the BoE stepped in is the first big sign of this in rich countries. Investors lost confidence in Liz Truss, the new British prime minister, because she is borrowing to cut taxes as well as to cushion consumers from high energy prices; and because Brexit had already harmed the country’s economic prospects.

But Truss’ willingness to take the risk is evidence of a generation of politicians which has grown up thinking there are few consequences for rising debt. They are scared that voters will throw them out of office if they balance their budgets. Central banks are worried about deepening recessions and provoking financial crises if they tighten monetary policy too much. But if central banks become government stooges, investors will lash out.

It’s not just the United Kingdom which is at risk. Italy and Greece are especially vulnerable because of their high ratios of debt to GDP. If investors conclude these are unsustainable, the euro itself may suffer renewed strains.

OUR CURRENCY, YOUR PROBLEM

Compared with others, the United States has some protection from this problem. Reserves of shale gas make it a relative winner from the energy crisis. And the rising dollar will help it stop inflation faster than other countries.

But the strong greenback makes life harder for almost everybody else. It is pushing up inflation in the rest of the world and adding to the distress of those that have borrowed in dollars. It’s more than 50 years since the then-U.S. Treasury Secretary told his counterparts that the “dollar is our currency but it’s your problem”. The adage is relevant again today.

We are in the early stages of a new debt crisis in the Global South. Poor countries are especially vulnerable to high food and energy prices. Investors’ increased risk aversion is also hitting them hard. The spread on high-yield sovereign dollar debt over U.S. Treasury bonds is now more than 10 percentage points – around double what it has been for most of the last decade, according to the IIF.

Sri Lanka, Ghana, Egypt and Pakistan have already called on the IMF for help with their debts. About 60% of low-income countries are in debt distress or at risk of it, according to an IMF article. So far, this isn’t as serious as the Latin American debt disaster of the 1980s, which also infected Africa, or the East Asian crisis of the late 1990s, which dragged in Russia and Brazil. What’s more, the large western banks have less exposure to emerging markets than in the 1980s. But the flipside is that the debt is spread among many bond investors and that China is a massive lender. This fragmented creditor base makes it harder to restructure countries’ borrowings: no lender wants to take a hit unless they are confident that others will share the pain.

Poor countries could explode with anger, as they feel they are the victims of richer countries’ actions. They didn’t flood the world with cheap money, they didn’t get many vaccines to help with the pandemic, they didn’t cause the food or energy crises – and they are not to blame for the climate crisis which is hitting their countries particularly badly. Nevertheless, as in Europe and China, the problems caused by more than a decade of seemingly free money are now coming home to roost.


https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/the-end-of-cheap-money-reveals-global-debt-problem


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There is a concept I have read in a few places that claims growth is a fundamental necessity to debt based economies. Each year the economy must grow to pay off debt created by the previous year. If that doesn't happen, we risk spiraling into a vicious cycle where debts and liabilities grow at a faster rate than our ability to pay them off. Which eventually results in financial doom and gloom. Its certainly an interesting claim and idea to consider. I think such a trend would not immediately be fatal. There would be a window to address and fix the issue. Some margin of error and perhaps time measured in decades or years before the worst case scenario. But still it does sound somewhat concerning.

I wonder if a good strategy here could be to forget about recession and economic collapse. Focus on the rebound. Begin planning. Preparing. Taking steps for a return to a pre pandemic economy. What would that look like. What can people do to fast track a trend in that direction. Its been said that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Being an early adopter of bitcoin showed the world the value of getting in early. Is it possible the same trend will also apply to any economic downtrend which occurs and its recovery?
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