Topic: The end of democracy in Europe (Read 118 times)

The European Union was NEVER designed to be a democratic entity. It was DESIGNED to form an autocratic centralised form of governance over European states.

Yes, I was looking for data on the relationship between mortality and transmissibility of viruses a while ago, when the first CV-19 variants started to take hold. Certainly a coronavirus such as MERS is much more deadly but much less transmissible. I suppose another factor is the speed of mortality... if a virus is extremely deadly but slow-acting, so you're infectious for a long time before finally succumbing, then there's no pressure on the virus to reduce mortality as it mutates. But I'm by no means an expert, just another armchair virologist.

I would not be too particularly concerned about future variants though. Evolutionary biology tells us that viruses tend to decrease in virulence as time goes on, so variants have the chance to become less deadly. This was the case with the 1918 Spanish flu. Viruses killing their hosts quickly would not allow the viruses to replicate and spread in time is the logic, and a viral infection with no long term symptoms or severe symptoms isn't much a big deal, so while I'm certain Coronavirus is endemic at this point, the threat is certainly not endemic.

The data are perfectly clear. You just need to look at anything with a time axis, for example, this from the ONS:


https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19/latestinsights


Co-morbidities are just that. Someone with a chronic lung condition who contracts Covid is more likely to die than if they didn't have the lung condition. But this dispute over reason for death is silly, and is easily debunked by simply considering data on excess deaths, from any reason.



Variants arise naturally due to copying errors. The more of a virus is in circulation, the more variants arise. Vaccination reduces the number of variants. This is not complicated. Vaccines of course exert some selection pressure, but this is insignificant... and if you are saying that vaccines create selection pressure, you are also saying that they are effective at preventing infection, you can't have one without the other. Also, which variants are you worried about? Delta is the dominant one... this originated in India in 2020, prior to any vaccines being available.


Fine, show the data.

Particulate vaccines have been under test for well over 10 years, and they were never used because they appeared to be carcinogenic. The original purpose was not to prevent disease, but to modify RNA in targetted sections of the global population. There has been no long term, or even mid term testing, and the short term results are distorted and manipulated. You need to look at the sample bases where they are available, and form your own conclusions. For example, comparing unvaccinated deaths with fully vaccinated deaths over the Covid period skews the results. This is because vaccination has only been present in the last few months, so all deaths in the first year or so will be unvaccinated. Government propagandists don't seem to take this into account. It is also important to consider co-morbidities, and to look at the way figures are "adjusted" to allow for various factors such as age and social habits.

Health authorities have long stated that vaccines should not be given to people who have developed immunity after infection.This is the first virus where this advice is contradicted, and you might like to reflect on the reason for this. The reason for not vaccination during a pandemic is that it can create variants, and this is exactly what is happening. They current "pandemic" is a pandemic of the vaccinated, created out of a minor endemic virus that fed on the obese and other unhealthy people.

Most of my knowledge is gleaned from a number of reports and statistics, and is available by reading the base reports from the institutions, and not from the sanitised propaganda.

I'll concede that it's an easy catch-all term that covers a variety of different viewpoints. I'm not suggesting that your views are the same as, for example, BADecker's.
But regarding the Covid vaccines that are in use today (Pfizer, AZ, Moderna, etc), it is certainly not true that they are untested. They were developed quickly, yes, a sense of urgency is understandable... but they have each been through the normal full testing process, as documented and published.


Yes, of course.


Why not? You've conceded that a vaccine is a preventative. It prevents people from catching Covid (or mitigates the symptoms if they do). There's no better solution to a pandemic. The only other option is to let everyone catch it, which is not a great idea with a virus that kills people.


Why not? Polio used to be endemic until it wasn't... because of vaccination.
Certainly people who currently have Covid shouldn't take the vaccine, but that's a separate issue... and is one of the screening questions at the vaccination appointment anyway.


Are you suggesting that people who have had the vaccine are more likely to die from any unrelated reason, than those who haven't? I don't know if this is the case or not, but if it were, it wouldn't be surprising given that the vaccine was administered in descending order of age and frailty. The vaccination rate in a nursing home will be higher than that in a primary school. Booster jabs are currently being administered solely to the over 50s and the clinically vulnerable.


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This is not supported by the data, which I have shared many times. If you have the numbers, then please present them.

Well that is certainly not the case. The official claim is that it will be less severe when getting covid (what ever that means, or how you even proof it).

“Fully Vaccinated” and testing positive for Covid in the last day or so
Bryan Adams, Jon Bon Jovi, Jen Psaki  and many more......
(Anyone who had contact with Jen in the last few days also needs to be in quarantine)

You need to stop calling people with concerns over untested particulate vaccines, anti-vaxxers.

Vaccines are preventatives not cures, and have no place in a pandemic, or in a country where a virus is endemic.

All causes mortality is higher in the full and partial vaccinated than in the unvaccinated. The figures are distorted by including partially vaccinated with those who have gained natural immunity, and the highest number of deaths are in the partially vaccinated. The low rates of fully vaccinated are as a result of the vaccines killing off the vaccine vulnerable before they can complete the course.

Hitler made it mandatory to fight in the war, many conscientious objectors have been executed, imprisoned, or otherwise penalized. The made-up enemy this time round is so small nobody managed to see it.
Without willing participants there is no war.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Bonhoeffer‘s Theory of Stupidity
https://youtu.be/ww47bR86wSc


Before you can vaccinate a virus must scientifically exist not only on tel-lie-vision.
Africa is mostly free, some places less then 1% agree to be experimented on.

Tyranny is when a couple of anti-vaxxer zealot politicians expect everyone else to bow to their demands. Vaccination is a public health issue, not a freedom issue. But at least you've not tried to compare it to the Holocaust this time, so that's something.

People in Europe forgot long time ago how cool is the life in totality. People will gladly exchange their freedom for a peace of convenience or for appearance of security. What can we expect?

If politicians can not vote, not allowed to enter government buildings, it is fair to say tyranny replaced democracy in Europe

ᴇᴜ ᴘᴀʀʟɪᴀᴍᴇɴᴛ Press Conference of 28/10/2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkvD5To02U
- Cristian Terheş (ECR, RO)  European Christian Political Movement
- Ivan Vilibor Sinčić (NI, HR)  Human Shield party not left or right wing, adhere to humanist values
- Francesca Donato (Italy, NI) Northern League, right-wing, federalist, populist and conservative political party
- Christine Anderson (Germany, ID) Alternative for Germany,  right-wing populist party


ᴇᴜ ᴘᴀʀʟɪᴀᴍᴇɴᴛ Press Conference dont know the date of this one
https://youtu.be/DQxvSxp-QyQ


PCR Test Inventor Kary Mullis:
The pandemic and the response are based on a phony test that can’t diagnose COVID.
https://youtu.be/c6Anlcjre6M
The center piece of the covid scam is the PCR test, useless for viral examination load.
https://youtu.be/iWOJKuSKw5c