Topic: The First Seastead is in the water (Read 1118 times)
When I saw there was a new post I thought there was an update about Elwar LOL. Nice vid though, cute family.
https://i.imgur.com/aQX7O7S.gifv
GREAT NEWS! I got contact from Chad Elwartowski (AKA Elwar) via PM earlier this morning notifying me that he and his girlfriend have been able to escape to nearby Vietnam via boat. They are in good spirits, but still are not out of the woods yet as they still need to leave the region for fear of local intergovernmental relations leading to his potential extradition back to Thailand. As a result for their own safety they will not be posting again until they are home, but he wanted me to thank all of you on his behalf for your kind words and well wishes, and said he hopes to be back on the forum posting soon. He didn't give me much other information for obvious reasons, but at least we know he has made it out of the country, which is very good news. Hopefully we can help bring awareness to this issue so others do not find themselves in a similar situation in the future. Godspeed Elwar.
GREAT NEWS! I got contact from Chad Elwartowski (AKA Elwar) via PM earlier this morning notifying me that he and his girlfriend have been able to escape to nearby Vietnam via boat. They are in good spirits, but still are not out of the woods yet as they still need to leave the region for fear of local intergovernmental relations leading to his potential extradition back to Thailand. As a result for their own safety they will not be posting again until they are home, but he wanted me to thank all of you on his behalf for your kind words and well wishes, and said he hopes to be back on the forum posting soon. He didn't give me much other information for obvious reasons, but at least we know he has made it out of the country, which is very good news. Hopefully we can help bring awareness to this issue so others do not find themselves in a similar situation in the future. Godspeed Elwar.
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Have you met that kind of problems in your seastad? What solutions for hygiene, cleaning and cooking do you have?
Have you met that kind of problems in your seastad? What solutions for hygiene, cleaning and cooking do you have?
I guess Elwar has more problems now, I don't know if you have follow the news lately.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30367861
He is hiding because the Thai government revoked his visa status and now he is running from the law and we don't know if he OK or not.
You are right I was not on forum lately, thanks for info about Elwar.
Hope everything will be resolved with Thailand government and that Elwar will continue with this great project.
Good luck to Elwar and his girlfrend hope you are well!
I guess Elwar has more problems now, I don't know if you have follow the news lately.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30367861
He is hiding because the Thai government revoked his visa status and now he is running from the law and we don't know if he OK or not.
How is he going to escape this I wonder. After cancelling his visa would they be able to just arrest him? I believe foreign nationals have to be deported first and then the local government would have to file extradition. I Idon't know what the crazy Thai government is thinking. Real bad news.
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Have you met that kind of problems in your seastad? What solutions for hygiene, cleaning and cooking do you have?
Have you met that kind of problems in your seastad? What solutions for hygiene, cleaning and cooking do you have?
I guess Elwar has more problems now, I don't know if you have follow the news lately.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30367861
He is hiding because the Thai government revoked his visa status and now he is running from the law and we don't know if he OK or not.
Love your new video "What about the pollution?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t02KFwHDeKs
Have a few comments though. The waste that is treated in the video is plastic and ash that can be reused to build seastad infrastructure.
My question is about chemical waste like detergents, shampoos and cooking oil. Do you have any solutions what to do with this kind of waste.
Cooking oil can probably be recycled to bio diesel, but it requires chemicals that have to be managed carefully to avoid pollution.
Also any kind of oil leakage can be catastrophic for any kind of sea life or sea farm.
In my opinion the best solution to this problems is to avoid any kind of chemical that can be harmful for environment, but environmentally friendly solution should be provided.
Have you met that kind of problems in your seastad? What solutions for hygiene, cleaning and cooking do you have?
Have a few comments though. The waste that is treated in the video is plastic and ash that can be reused to build seastad infrastructure.
My question is about chemical waste like detergents, shampoos and cooking oil. Do you have any solutions what to do with this kind of waste.
Cooking oil can probably be recycled to bio diesel, but it requires chemicals that have to be managed carefully to avoid pollution.
Also any kind of oil leakage can be catastrophic for any kind of sea life or sea farm.
In my opinion the best solution to this problems is to avoid any kind of chemical that can be harmful for environment, but environmentally friendly solution should be provided.
Have you met that kind of problems in your seastad? What solutions for hygiene, cleaning and cooking do you have?
That Chad guy in the videos has a wonderful, humble look to him. Is that you?
That would be me. Chad Elwartowski...hence the nickname 'Elwar'.
Nice to know you. Besides being quite levelheaded here in the forum, you look like you are that levelheaded guy out there on the seastead. Keep it up, man. We need more levelheaded people in the world.
That Chad guy in the videos has a wonderful, humble look to him. Is that you?
That would be me. Chad Elwartowski...hence the nickname 'Elwar'.
That Chad guy in the videos has a wonderful, humble look to him. Is that you?
Alive and kicking. Been very busy. We're preparing to do a workshop teaching new seasteaders the basics.
We'll be doing a video about it.
And now they don't even have to wory about fresh water!
Graphene-based sieve turns seawater into drinking water
Graphene-based sieve turns seawater into drinking water
A UK-based team of researchers has created a graphene-based sieve capable of removing salt from seawater.
The sought-after development could aid the millions of people without ready access to clean drinking water.
The promising graphene oxide sieve could be highly efficient at filtering salts, and will now be tested against existing desalination membranes.
It has previously been difficult to manufacture graphene-based barriers on an industrial scale.
Reporting their results in the journal Nature Nanotechnology, scientists from the University of Manchester, led by Dr Rahul Nair, show how they solved some of the challenges by using a chemical derivative called graphene oxide.
Isolated and characterised by a University of Manchester-led team in 2004, graphene comprises a single layer of carbon atoms arranged in a hexagonal lattice. Its unusual properties, such as extraordinary tensile strength and electrical conductivity, have earmarked it as one of the most promising materials for future applications.
The sought-after development could aid the millions of people without ready access to clean drinking water.
The promising graphene oxide sieve could be highly efficient at filtering salts, and will now be tested against existing desalination membranes.
It has previously been difficult to manufacture graphene-based barriers on an industrial scale.
Reporting their results in the journal Nature Nanotechnology, scientists from the University of Manchester, led by Dr Rahul Nair, show how they solved some of the challenges by using a chemical derivative called graphene oxide.
Isolated and characterised by a University of Manchester-led team in 2004, graphene comprises a single layer of carbon atoms arranged in a hexagonal lattice. Its unusual properties, such as extraordinary tensile strength and electrical conductivity, have earmarked it as one of the most promising materials for future applications.
^^^ Of course, with all the plastic floating around in the oceans these days, Seasteaders shouldn't have any problem with energy. Simply scoop it out, and burn it in the boilers for steam power.
Even better, maybe those plastics can later become a source of building materials for the seastead.
That's the spirit! Clean up the world for the benefit of those doing the cleaning.
^^^ Of course, with all the plastic floating around in the oceans these days, Seasteaders shouldn't have any problem with energy. Simply scoop it out, and burn it in the boilers for steam power.
Even better, maybe those plastics can later become a source of building materials for the seastead.
^^^ Of course, with all the plastic floating around in the oceans these days, Seasteaders shouldn't have any problem with energy. Simply scoop it out, and burn it in the boilers for steam power.
Interesting articles regarding power some of you may find useful:
https://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/renewables/thailand-prepares-to-install-floating-solar-plants-at-eight-dams
https://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/renewables/floating-solar-fuel-rigs-could-produce-hydrogen-fuel
https://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/renewables/thailand-prepares-to-install-floating-solar-plants-at-eight-dams
https://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/renewables/floating-solar-fuel-rigs-could-produce-hydrogen-fuel
I think these high polluting countries get quite a bit of help from the media hyping their tiny eco friendly projects.
I see on Facebook posts about how great China is at building renewable energy. Even though they have full cities that are black from pollution.
Interesting articles regarding power some of you may find useful:
https://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/renewables/thailand-prepares-to-install-floating-solar-plants-at-eight-dams
https://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/renewables/floating-solar-fuel-rigs-could-produce-hydrogen-fuel
https://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/renewables/thailand-prepares-to-install-floating-solar-plants-at-eight-dams
https://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/renewables/floating-solar-fuel-rigs-could-produce-hydrogen-fuel
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One is build. The one that should be fit on the spar yesterday. As you can read here https://ocean.builders/seasteading/ when 20 people will apply and pay those 20 new will get produced. I dont believe there will be many enrollment before Elwar will at least partially finished his. But I could be wrong.
Here is the first video in a series of videos we're doing about the seastead.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=tTXhgcXA1pM
Thanks for the update. Hope that it will be fully functional soon
Nice to see how enthusiastic are people behind the project! Here is the first video in a series of videos we're doing about the seastead.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=tTXhgcXA1pM
Very cool. I'm sold! Looking forward to the future videos and what the end product looks like.
How long is a boat trip to the mainland from where you are? It sounds like Phuket province is the closest urbanized area. Don't forget to load up on plenty of sunscreen!
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One is build. The one that should be fit on the spar yesterday. As you can read here https://ocean.builders/seasteading/ when 20 people will apply and pay those 20 new will get produced. I dont believe there will be many enrollment before Elwar will at least partially finished his. But I could be wrong.
Here is the first video in a series of videos we're doing about the seastead.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=tTXhgcXA1pM
Better move faster if you want to win. Think of a floating tunnel between nations... around the world... in the oceans. Submerged only 100 feet, it's going to be a hazard to some seasteads.
Crossing Norway's fjords is going to get easier with world's first submerged floating tunnel
Crossing Norway's fjords is going to get easier with world's first submerged floating tunnel
Highway E39 in Norway is one of the most beautiful drives in the world, hugging the country's rugged west coast from Kristiansand to Trondheim.
It is 684 miles of unending scenery, including rivers and lakes, waterfalls and mountains and numerous fjords.
But if you look carefully at a road map, E39 is something of a dotted line. Each of the breaks occurs at seven fjords -- where drivers must put their cars on a ferry to get across.
This stop-and-start, sea-and-land journey takes 21 hours.
But the government of Norway has a plan.
It is 684 miles of unending scenery, including rivers and lakes, waterfalls and mountains and numerous fjords.
But if you look carefully at a road map, E39 is something of a dotted line. Each of the breaks occurs at seven fjords -- where drivers must put their cars on a ferry to get across.
This stop-and-start, sea-and-land journey takes 21 hours.
But the government of Norway has a plan.
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One is build. The one that should be fit on the spar yesterday. As you can read here https://ocean.builders/seasteading/ when 20 people will apply and pay those 20 new will get produced. I dont believe there will be many enrollment before Elwar will at least partially finished his. But I could be wrong.
I am fascinated by your project!
I have few questions about your project:
How many seasteads are built already? How much do you plan to build?
What is the cost of one seastead?
How big is the living space in one seastead compared to apartment?
What are location requirements for your seastead (minimum and max. sea depth, can it be installed in the middle of the ocean?)
I have few questions about your project:
How many seasteads are built already? How much do you plan to build?
What is the cost of one seastead?
How big is the living space in one seastead compared to apartment?
What are location requirements for your seastead (minimum and max. sea depth, can it be installed in the middle of the ocean?)
One is build. The one that should be fit on the spar yesterday. As you can read here https://ocean.builders/seasteading/ when 20 people will apply and pay those 20 new will get produced. I dont believe there will be many enrollment before Elwar will at least partially finished his. But I could be wrong.
I wonder how many different Seasteading groups exist out there.
When I went to https://www.seasteading.org/, their main picture at the top of the page was entirely different than those that Elwar is showing us of his seastead construction. Also, I received my monthly email from Joe's group (the link above), and there didn't seem to be any mention of Elwar's project, but at least one other project was mentioned.
It seems that there are several different serious groups doing this, and most of them don't have a big way of advertising (or don't want to) so that we don't even know that they exist.
When I went to https://www.seasteading.org/, their main picture at the top of the page was entirely different than those that Elwar is showing us of his seastead construction. Also, I received my monthly email from Joe's group (the link above), and there didn't seem to be any mention of Elwar's project, but at least one other project was mentioned.
It seems that there are several different serious groups doing this, and most of them don't have a big way of advertising (or don't want to) so that we don't even know that they exist.
I am fascinated by your project!
I have few questions about your project:
How many seasteads are built already? How much do you plan to build?
What is the cost of one seastead?
How big is the living space in one seastead compared to apartment?
What are location requirements for your seastead (minimum and max. sea depth, can it be installed in the middle of the ocean?)
I have few questions about your project:
How many seasteads are built already? How much do you plan to build?
What is the cost of one seastead?
How big is the living space in one seastead compared to apartment?
What are location requirements for your seastead (minimum and max. sea depth, can it be installed in the middle of the ocean?)
Will this Community of Seasteaders have their own rules to follow? If so isn't that part of the problem that you are trying to leave behind ? Rules,Laws ,Restrictions etc. etc.
More general thread about seasteading is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1814814.100
So if I read on forum right plan was to set seastead this weekend. That already passed in Thailand. Did it happened or weather was still bad?
Will this Community of Seasteaders have their own rules to follow? If so isn't that part of the problem that you are trying to leave behind ? Rules,Laws ,Restrictions etc. etc.
Community? We're building homes on the sea. Who said anything about building a community?
Your questions imply that I plan on just living in my seastead alone like a hermit just to escape laws.
The point is to grow a community. That's why we are selling the first 20 at cost. We want this to grow. We want to have a society out on the sea.
The sovereignty allows for a clean slate in starting many different societies. I don't want to have a single seastead nation evolve from this. I want hundreds of small communities to choose from. Each with its own benefits. But each so much better than anything on land.
The production versions will have active mooring which will allow you to move your home as you see fit. If you don't like your neighbors...just move.
As for initially being occupied. My gf and I will have plenty to do. We lived in a small bungalow in Tahiti and spent most of our time there. Her cooking and me on the 'net or reading.
We can go SCUBA diving and swimming. I plan on growing a coral garden on the spar and raising reef fish. Drone fishing...
Most importantly we have Internet so I'll never get bored.
And we can go into town. Either to Phuket or one of the islands.
But I imagine as people begin moving out there we will be very busy helping the newcomers get adjusted and enjoy a growing community.
The point is to grow a community. That's why we are selling the first 20 at cost. We want this to grow. We want to have a society out on the sea.
The sovereignty allows for a clean slate in starting many different societies. I don't want to have a single seastead nation evolve from this. I want hundreds of small communities to choose from. Each with its own benefits. But each so much better than anything on land.
The production versions will have active mooring which will allow you to move your home as you see fit. If you don't like your neighbors...just move.
As for initially being occupied. My gf and I will have plenty to do. We lived in a small bungalow in Tahiti and spent most of our time there. Her cooking and me on the 'net or reading.
We can go SCUBA diving and swimming. I plan on growing a coral garden on the spar and raising reef fish. Drone fishing...
Most importantly we have Internet so I'll never get bored.
And we can go into town. Either to Phuket or one of the islands.
But I imagine as people begin moving out there we will be very busy helping the newcomers get adjusted and enjoy a growing community.
You did
I like this project, it's a great idea, as long as you find living in a tiny house comfortable.
^^^ What do you mean? China built, like, 20 gigantic cities in different areas of China. They are barely inhabited if they are at all. You are going to float a bunch of "houses" on the ocean?
Will this Community of Seasteaders have their own rules to follow? If so isn't that part of the problem that you are trying to leave behind ? Rules,Laws ,Restrictions etc. etc.
Community? We're building homes on the sea. Who said anything about building a community?
Will this Community of Seasteaders have their own rules to follow? If so isn't that part of the problem that you are trying to leave behind ? Rules,Laws ,Restrictions etc. etc.
Is the concept of creating permanent dwellings at sea.
Very humid.
Is the concept of creating permanent dwellings at sea.
I went to your link at seasteadtalk.org. It is very interesting. How is Joe Quirk hooked up to you, or are you two different groups?
Joe came out last month and spent about 3 weeks with us. He was able to watch the platform go in the water.
He is putting full support of the seasteading institute behind it because it's the first actual seastead being built.
Good (I think). A project like this is more basic than Sealand. It needs more working together than simply refurbishing something that was already there. Stick together, and don't get into arguments that could destroy your collaboration.
I went to your link at seasteadtalk.org. It is very interesting. How is Joe Quirk hooked up to you, or are you two different groups?
Joe came out last month and spent about 3 weeks with us. He was able to watch the platform go in the water.
He is putting full support of the seasteading institute behind it because it's the first actual seastead being built.
I went to your link at seasteadtalk.org. It is very interesting. How is Joe Quirk hooked up to you, or are you two different groups?
Could you post a blueprint of your spar or just its dimensions and a description of it's features such as ballast and containment areas?
Also could you say what the spar is costing you to make and what source materials you are using to make it?
I am most interested in the construction of the spar because I do that sort of thing (metalwork, fabrication) and I think I might have a lot of 2nd hand source material perfect for making such a thing local to me that can be had very cheap and have all of the tools at my disposal..
I have even had a "real job" making similar contraptions from raw materials from rolling sheet metal to finished tanks including cutting and welding, installing fittings, pressure testing, you name it. From blueprint to finished product.
I also have experience pressure testing and pumping well over 10,000 psi.
I have plasma and oxyacetylene cutting tools available and many types of welding machines and very competent welders.
I might be able to make these things very competitively with logical delivery to the gulf of mexico or the Atlantic by New York..
Just to kick around ideas..
Also could you say what the spar is costing you to make and what source materials you are using to make it?
I am most interested in the construction of the spar because I do that sort of thing (metalwork, fabrication) and I think I might have a lot of 2nd hand source material perfect for making such a thing local to me that can be had very cheap and have all of the tools at my disposal..
I have even had a "real job" making similar contraptions from raw materials from rolling sheet metal to finished tanks including cutting and welding, installing fittings, pressure testing, you name it. From blueprint to finished product.
I also have experience pressure testing and pumping well over 10,000 psi.
I have plasma and oxyacetylene cutting tools available and many types of welding machines and very competent welders.
I might be able to make these things very competitively with logical delivery to the gulf of mexico or the Atlantic by New York..
Just to kick around ideas..
I have most of the specs here:
https://www.seasteadtalk.org/forum/engineering-discussion/51-xlii-specs
The spar is rolled steel tubes about 1.5 meters each welded together to get to the 20 meters. 14mm thick steel.
Ballast area on the bottom is about 1.5 meters walled off then filled with concrete. We also added about 10 tons of sand to the main area that became ballast when we flipped it.
Initial cost was around $30k but being a prototype and never having done this before we had to pay another $10k or so for incidentals.
Now that we have the process down we will likely be making mass steel purchases from China to bring that cost down for the production version, while ramping up the quality.
If you're up for seasteading we are hoping to move most of the metal and fiberglass work to the seastead so that we can grow the economy of the seastead by building seasteads.
Could you post a blueprint of your spar or just its dimensions and a description of it's features such as ballast and containment areas?
Also could you say what the spar is costing you to make and what source materials you are using to make it?
I am most interested in the construction of the spar because I do that sort of thing (metalwork, fabrication) and I think I might have a lot of 2nd hand source material perfect for making such a thing local to me that can be had very cheap and have all of the tools at my disposal..
I have even had a "real job" making similar contraptions from raw materials from rolling sheet metal to finished tanks including cutting and welding, installing fittings, pressure testing, you name it. From blueprint to finished product.
I also have experience pressure testing and pumping well over 10,000 psi.
I have plasma and oxyacetylene cutting tools available and many types of welding machines and very competent welders.
I might be able to make these things very competitively with logical delivery to the gulf of mexico or the Atlantic by New York..
Just to kick around ideas..
Also could you say what the spar is costing you to make and what source materials you are using to make it?
I am most interested in the construction of the spar because I do that sort of thing (metalwork, fabrication) and I think I might have a lot of 2nd hand source material perfect for making such a thing local to me that can be had very cheap and have all of the tools at my disposal..
I have even had a "real job" making similar contraptions from raw materials from rolling sheet metal to finished tanks including cutting and welding, installing fittings, pressure testing, you name it. From blueprint to finished product.
I also have experience pressure testing and pumping well over 10,000 psi.
I have plasma and oxyacetylene cutting tools available and many types of welding machines and very competent welders.
I might be able to make these things very competitively with logical delivery to the gulf of mexico or the Atlantic by New York..
Just to kick around ideas..
Would love to see your system in action.
Well it is not "my system", but rather some simple mechanical energy storage and generation methods you would be smart to take advantage of given the location and "off grid" requirements. You could do a scaled down version with some 50 gallon drums, and some small pumps which could run off of solar/wind etc during peak generation times. This potential energy in the form of stored water pressure could also be tapped for fire suppression in an emergency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObvQFX6noDw
This is a way scaled up version of what I am talking about, but it is an effective demonstration of concept.
Some other interesting energy solutions that might interest you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO3ab-IK2dI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktup6CAvfGo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM2nNyaZ_Do
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
For regular guy reading about fire in the middle of ocean this might sound silly but Actually this is a really important question but fire is ships biggest enemy. Structure should be as inflammable as possible and there should be ways to detect and put off fire fast.
How many catamarans in the ocean have water pumps for fire suppression? The platform I'm in is close to the living space of a large catamaran (at a much lower price).
A fire extinguisher should be fine.
You know keeping a fresh water reservoir of some kind could be used as ballast as well as for fire suppression, especially if you had a smaller elevated tank. Pumping the water up would also be a viable method of storing any extra energy you collect to then later use the potential energy to run a generator via gravity flow. I know you are trying to keep it minimal, but some times good design will do everything you need and more.
Well...we have the hose in the kitchen sink to fresh water. And the bathroom. Only other room is the bedroom.
This isn't a Blue Frontiers seastead where we theorize about all sorts of tech that has been done in some lab somewhere. We buy stuff at the store and use it.
This isn't cutting edge theoretical technology here. Not sure what you imagine I mean, but I imagine you have some kind of renewable energy system that includes batteries, in which case this could increase that capacity for energy storage for use off of peak generation times using simple pumps, tubes, and tubs. Not sure how you expect to grow with this kind of attitude, but was just trying to be constructive. I suppose I can go back to just ignoring this again...
Would love to see your system in action.
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
For regular guy reading about fire in the middle of ocean this might sound silly but Actually this is a really important question but fire is ships biggest enemy. Structure should be as inflammable as possible and there should be ways to detect and put off fire fast.
How many catamarans in the ocean have water pumps for fire suppression? The platform I'm in is close to the living space of a large catamaran (at a much lower price).
A fire extinguisher should be fine.
You know keeping a fresh water reservoir of some kind could be used as ballast as well as for fire suppression, especially if you had a smaller elevated tank. Pumping the water up would also be a viable method of storing any extra energy you collect to then later use the potential energy to run a generator via gravity flow. I know you are trying to keep it minimal, but some times good design will do everything you need and more.
Well...we have the hose in the kitchen sink to fresh water. And the bathroom. Only other room is the bedroom.
This isn't a Blue Frontiers seastead where we theorize about all sorts of tech that has been done in some lab somewhere. We buy stuff at the store and use it.
This isn't cutting edge theoretical technology here. Not sure what you imagine I mean, but I imagine you have some kind of renewable energy system that includes batteries, in which case this could increase that capacity for energy storage for use off of peak generation times using simple pumps, tubes, and tubs. Not sure how you expect to grow with this kind of attitude, but was just trying to be constructive. I suppose I can go back to just ignoring this again...
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
For regular guy reading about fire in the middle of ocean this might sound silly but Actually this is a really important question but fire is ships biggest enemy. Structure should be as inflammable as possible and there should be ways to detect and put off fire fast.
How many catamarans in the ocean have water pumps for fire suppression? The platform I'm in is close to the living space of a large catamaran (at a much lower price).
A fire extinguisher should be fine.
You know keeping a fresh water reservoir of some kind could be used as ballast as well as for fire suppression, especially if you had a smaller elevated tank. Pumping the water up would also be a viable method of storing any extra energy you collect to then later use the potential energy to run a generator via gravity flow. I know you are trying to keep it minimal, but some times good design will do everything you need and more.
Well...we have the hose in the kitchen sink to fresh water. And the bathroom. Only other room is the bedroom.
This isn't a Blue Frontiers seastead where we theorize about all sorts of tech that has been done in some lab somewhere. We buy stuff at the store and use it.
Google "graphene salt water filter" to see that it won't be long before anybody will be able to have his own seawater to fresh water filter at a reasonable price. Of course, we will be able to flood the Sahara, etc. Will anybody still be interested in Seasteading when dry lands are opened up for habitation?
However, regarding Seasteading in general, look at what the Revelation in the Bible says, Revelation 13:1:
Quote from: https://biblehub.com/revelation/13-1.htm
The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
Is this what Seasteading is going to turn into? And maybe because of graphene seawater filters upsetting Seasteaders.
I like graphene but it has been found that it could be deadly to humans.
It is so small and strong that if it gets into your body it tears your cells to shreds. I am reluctant to drink from a filter that may have many tiny graphene particles in it that will dice up my cells.
If it works then that would be great. Cheaper water makers for the seasteads.
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
For regular guy reading about fire in the middle of ocean this might sound silly but Actually this is a really important question but fire is ships biggest enemy. Structure should be as inflammable as possible and there should be ways to detect and put off fire fast.
How many catamarans in the ocean have water pumps for fire suppression? The platform I'm in is close to the living space of a large catamaran (at a much lower price).
A fire extinguisher should be fine.
You know keeping a fresh water reservoir of some kind could be used as ballast as well as for fire suppression, especially if you had a smaller elevated tank. Pumping the water up would also be a viable method of storing any extra energy you collect to then later use the potential energy to run a generator via gravity flow. I know you are trying to keep it minimal, but some times good design will do everything you need and more.
Well...we have the hose in the kitchen sink to fresh water. And the bathroom. Only other room is the bedroom.
This isn't a Blue Frontiers seastead where we theorize about all sorts of tech that has been done in some lab somewhere. We buy stuff at the store and use it.
Google "graphene salt water filter" to see that it won't be long before anybody will be able to have his own seawater to fresh water filter at a reasonable price. Of course, we will be able to flood the Sahara, etc. Will anybody still be interested in Seasteading when dry lands are opened up for habitation?
However, regarding Seasteading in general, look at what the Revelation in the Bible says, Revelation 13:1:
Quote from: https://biblehub.com/revelation/13-1.htm
The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
Is this what Seasteading is going to turn into? And maybe because of graphene seawater filters upsetting Seasteaders.
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
For regular guy reading about fire in the middle of ocean this might sound silly but Actually this is a really important question but fire is ships biggest enemy. Structure should be as inflammable as possible and there should be ways to detect and put off fire fast.
How many catamarans in the ocean have water pumps for fire suppression? The platform I'm in is close to the living space of a large catamaran (at a much lower price).
A fire extinguisher should be fine.
You know keeping a fresh water reservoir of some kind could be used as ballast as well as for fire suppression, especially if you had a smaller elevated tank. Pumping the water up would also be a viable method of storing any extra energy you collect to then later use the potential energy to run a generator via gravity flow. I know you are trying to keep it minimal, but some times good design will do everything you need and more.
Well...we have the hose in the kitchen sink to fresh water. And the bathroom. Only other room is the bedroom.
This isn't a Blue Frontiers seastead where we theorize about all sorts of tech that has been done in some lab somewhere. We buy stuff at the store and use it.
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
For regular guy reading about fire in the middle of ocean this might sound silly but Actually this is a really important question but fire is ships biggest enemy. Structure should be as inflammable as possible and there should be ways to detect and put off fire fast.
How many catamarans in the ocean have water pumps for fire suppression? The platform I'm in is close to the living space of a large catamaran (at a much lower price).
A fire extinguisher should be fine.
You know keeping a fresh water reservoir of some kind could be used as ballast as well as for fire suppression, especially if you had a smaller elevated tank. Pumping the water up would also be a viable method of storing any extra energy you collect to then later use the potential energy to run a generator via gravity flow. I know you are trying to keep it minimal, but some times good design will do everything you need and more.
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
For regular guy reading about fire in the middle of ocean this might sound silly but Actually this is a really important question but fire is ships biggest enemy. Structure should be as inflammable as possible and there should be ways to detect and put off fire fast.
How many catamarans in the ocean have water pumps for fire suppression? The platform I'm in is close to the living space of a large catamaran (at a much lower price).
A fire extinguisher should be fine.
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
For regular guy reading about fire in the middle of ocean this might sound silly but Actually this is a really important question but fire is ships biggest enemy. Structure should be as inflammable as possible and there should be ways to detect and put off fire fast.
Concrete hulled boats don't burn easily. If the hull is made of concrete, why not the rest of the boat? Sure, there will be lots of "stuff" that seasteaders own that will burn - like clothing, and fuel. But there are fires on boats right now. All that need be done is to apply boat safety to the Seasteads.
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
For regular guy reading about fire in the middle of ocean this might sound silly but Actually this is a really important question but fire is ships biggest enemy. Structure should be as inflammable as possible and there should be ways to detect and put off fire fast.
The question is - in simple terms, without reading Joe's book - what are the advantages of Seasteading over joined-houseboat living or something else?
Sovereignty.
Not just in the aspect of individuals being sovereign, but starting from sovereignty and growing from there. Meaning any community that forms starts from scratch when it comes to laws.
You can put some house boats together and have your own laws. But those are in addition to the nation whose harbor you are sitting in. So you are basically the same as boaters in a marina with some additional marina regulations.
Technically, is there any reason why people in boats can't build a boat in international waters? If they do, wouldn't their boat be a "sovereign" boat?
Sure, it wouldn't be able to land at any port of any nation, but that's simply because the nations aren't sovereign, originally... because they MUST have only registered boats land at their ports, by treaty with other nations.
Sure a boat can be built in international waters, it's the living on the boat in international waters part that is the most difficult.
A boat is built so that it needs to continue moving forward in waves for stability.
This was the plan of former seastead project Blueseed. They wanted to buy a large boat and just continue to drive in a figure 8 pattern perpetually. Figuring people would pay for the gas in exchange for the benefit of living on the seastead. Solar would require too much energy. They could do nuclear like submarines.
But to stay in one place you need different technology from a boat. It's closer to an oil platform than a boat. So you use the tech of oil platforms instead of boat tech.
The question is - in simple terms, without reading Joe's book - what are the advantages of Seasteading over joined-houseboat living or something else?
Sovereignty.
Not just in the aspect of individuals being sovereign, but starting from sovereignty and growing from there. Meaning any community that forms starts from scratch when it comes to laws.
You can put some house boats together and have your own laws. But those are in addition to the nation whose harbor you are sitting in. So you are basically the same as boaters in a marina with some additional marina regulations.
Technically, is there any reason why people in boats can't build a boat in international waters? If they do, wouldn't their boat be a "sovereign" boat?
Sure, it wouldn't be able to land at any port of any nation, but that's simply because the nations aren't sovereign, originally... because they MUST have only registered boats land at their ports, by treaty with other nations.
I think the idea and concept is pretty neat. I couldn't imagine living on one of these things personally.
Do these things come equipped with those space station toilets that recycle human waste back to water and then feed plants with the "nutrients"?
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
Do these things come equipped with those space station toilets that recycle human waste back to water and then feed plants with the "nutrients"?
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
Why does everyone automatically think a seastead has to have some super expensive space technology? It's mostly boat like. We use boat tech. A toilet that pumps water like on a boat. Water maker like on a boat. As flammable as a boat. We have a fire extinguisher in the kitchen.
No flying cars or 2 million dollar submarines.No hydrofoil boats for commuting.
We use solar for electricity with gas generator backup and propane for cooking. No nuclear power or thorium power plant.
Where does the waste go, directly into the ocean or into a holding tank like a boat? I guess shit floating around your house isn't a big deal? What if I am having a swim and a neighbour flushes a big turd?
Honestly space toilets, hydrofoil boat cars and a thorium power plant sounds way cooler!
Production versions will likely use composting toilets. Fertilizer can be used for plants on the deck or tossed overboard.
The ocean is kinda big. Fish, whales, dolphins poop in it all the time. If you want the nasty truth...pooping into the ocean is a good thing. The fish and micro-organisms eat that stuff right up and thrive.
Right! I mean, how many people on the beach don't pee in the water now and again? But you don't find it washed up on shore very often, right?
The question is - in simple terms, without reading Joe's book - what are the advantages of Seasteading over joined-houseboat living or something else?
Sovereignty.
Not just in the aspect of individuals being sovereign, but starting from sovereignty and growing from there. Meaning any community that forms starts from scratch when it comes to laws.
You can put some house boats together and have your own laws. But those are in addition to the nation whose harbor you are sitting in. So you are basically the same as boaters in a marina with some additional marina regulations.
I think the idea and concept is pretty neat. I couldn't imagine living on one of these things personally.
Do these things come equipped with those space station toilets that recycle human waste back to water and then feed plants with the "nutrients"?
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
Do these things come equipped with those space station toilets that recycle human waste back to water and then feed plants with the "nutrients"?
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
Why does everyone automatically think a seastead has to have some super expensive space technology? It's mostly boat like. We use boat tech. A toilet that pumps water like on a boat. Water maker like on a boat. As flammable as a boat. We have a fire extinguisher in the kitchen.
No flying cars or 2 million dollar submarines.No hydrofoil boats for commuting.
We use solar for electricity with gas generator backup and propane for cooking. No nuclear power or thorium power plant.
Where does the waste go, directly into the ocean or into a holding tank like a boat? I guess shit floating around your house isn't a big deal? What if I am having a swim and a neighbour flushes a big turd?
Honestly space toilets, hydrofoil boat cars and a thorium power plant sounds way cooler!
Production versions will likely use composting toilets. Fertilizer can be used for plants on the deck or tossed overboard.
The ocean is kinda big. Fish, whales, dolphins poop in it all the time. If you want the nasty truth...pooping into the ocean is a good thing. The fish and micro-organisms eat that stuff right up and thrive.
Right! I mean, how many people on the beach don't pee in the water now and again? But you don't find it washed up on shore very often, right?
The question is - in simple terms, without reading Joe's book - what are the advantages of Seasteading over joined-houseboat living or something else?
I think the idea and concept is pretty neat. I couldn't imagine living on one of these things personally.
Do these things come equipped with those space station toilets that recycle human waste back to water and then feed plants with the "nutrients"?
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
Do these things come equipped with those space station toilets that recycle human waste back to water and then feed plants with the "nutrients"?
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
Why does everyone automatically think a seastead has to have some super expensive space technology? It's mostly boat like. We use boat tech. A toilet that pumps water like on a boat. Water maker like on a boat. As flammable as a boat. We have a fire extinguisher in the kitchen.
No flying cars or 2 million dollar submarines.No hydrofoil boats for commuting.
We use solar for electricity with gas generator backup and propane for cooking. No nuclear power or thorium power plant.
Where does the waste go, directly into the ocean or into a holding tank like a boat? I guess shit floating around your house isn't a big deal? What if I am having a swim and a neighbour flushes a big turd?
Honestly space toilets, hydrofoil boat cars and a thorium power plant sounds way cooler!
Production versions will likely use composting toilets. Fertilizer can be used for plants on the deck or tossed overboard.
The ocean is kinda big. Fish, whales, dolphins poop in it all the time. If you want the nasty truth...pooping into the ocean is a good thing. The fish and micro-organisms eat that stuff right up and thrive.
I think the idea and concept is pretty neat. I couldn't imagine living on one of these things personally.
Do these things come equipped with those space station toilets that recycle human waste back to water and then feed plants with the "nutrients"?
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
Do these things come equipped with those space station toilets that recycle human waste back to water and then feed plants with the "nutrients"?
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
Why does everyone automatically think a seastead has to have some super expensive space technology? It's mostly boat like. We use boat tech. A toilet that pumps water like on a boat. Water maker like on a boat. As flammable as a boat. We have a fire extinguisher in the kitchen.
No flying cars or 2 million dollar submarines.No hydrofoil boats for commuting.
We use solar for electricity with gas generator backup and propane for cooking. No nuclear power or thorium power plant.
Where does the waste go, directly into the ocean or into a holding tank like a boat? I guess shit floating around your house isn't a big deal? What if I am having a swim and a neighbour flushes a big turd?
Honestly space toilets, hydrofoil boat cars and a thorium power plant sounds way cooler!
The difference from a boat is the sovereignty part.
That is what I figured..
As far as I know, from very limited research, every boat has to be registered to some country. I guess your "seastead" somehow gets around this because it is "not a boat"?
Can you explain some about how that works?
So if your seastead is sovereign doesn't that make it a country like that oil platform country?
Does this give your country your 12 mile and other zones of sea around your country that your seastead country controls?
Do you get your zones like those?
Hypothetically, could you move your seastead next to an active oil platform that is in unclaimed international waters, to put it into your exclusive economical zone, and then tax the shit out of that oil company? lol
Could I register my sailboat to your seastead, or, could I buy my own seastead and register my own sailboat to my own seastead country and therefore have a sovereign sailboat while it is outside the zone of any other country?
I have no plans on becoming a nation. The first 20 owners will be laying the ground work for future governance. If they want to move in that direction then that will be the direction of seasteading in the near term.
Personally, I don't want to be a citizen of any country that would have me.
I think the idea and concept is pretty neat. I couldn't imagine living on one of these things personally.
Do these things come equipped with those space station toilets that recycle human waste back to water and then feed plants with the "nutrients"?
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
Do these things come equipped with those space station toilets that recycle human waste back to water and then feed plants with the "nutrients"?
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
Why does everyone automatically think a seastead has to have some super expensive space technology? It's mostly boat like. We use boat tech. A toilet that pumps water like on a boat. Water maker like on a boat. As flammable as a boat. We have a fire extinguisher in the kitchen.
No flying cars or 2 million dollar submarines.No hydrofoil boats for commuting.
We use solar for electricity with gas generator backup and propane for cooking. No nuclear power or thorium power plant.
I think the idea and concept is pretty neat. I couldn't imagine living on one of these things personally.
Do these things come equipped with those space station toilets that recycle human waste back to water and then feed plants with the "nutrients"?
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
Do these things come equipped with those space station toilets that recycle human waste back to water and then feed plants with the "nutrients"?
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
What! Are you trying to sink the burning seastead?
I think the idea and concept is pretty neat. I couldn't imagine living on one of these things personally.
Do these things come equipped with those space station toilets that recycle human waste back to water and then feed plants with the "nutrients"?
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
Do these things come equipped with those space station toilets that recycle human waste back to water and then feed plants with the "nutrients"?
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
The difference from a boat is the sovereignty part.
That is what I figured..
As far as I know, from very limited research, every boat has to be registered to some country. I guess your "seastead" somehow gets around this because it is "not a boat"?
Can you explain some about how that works?
So if your seastead is sovereign doesn't that make it a country like that oil platform country?
Does this give your country your 12 mile and other zones of sea around your country that your seastead country controls?
Do you get your zones like those?
Hypothetically, could you move your seastead next to an active oil platform that is in unclaimed international waters, to put it into your exclusive economical zone, and then tax the shit out of that oil company? lol
Could I register my sailboat to your seastead, or, could I buy my own seastead and register my own sailboat to my own seastead country and therefore have a sovereign sailboat while it is outside the zone of any other country?
How many churches do you plan on having?
Seasteading is a good way to prepare the attitude for community space stations.
A proper PMA (private membership association) is like a seastead on land, right within the governmentally controlled space. Can only be done within a nation, if the nation is a common law land.
Seasteading is a good way to prepare the attitude for community space stations.
A proper PMA (private membership association) is like a seastead on land, right within the governmentally controlled space. Can only be done within a nation, if the nation is a common law land.
May as well ask Lagoon or Catalina how many of the boats they make are going to be used as churches.
Ocean Builders just builds seasteads. We are leaving it to the first 20 owners to design the foundation for future seastead systems. If you want to help decide what systems will be used for future seasteading then you should go to https://ocean.builders and fill out the form stating that you're interested in buying one.
Though just because the first 20 may decide on one system it does not imply that everyone else must follow it. But they will have first mover advantage with network affect.
So your plot of water isn't going to be a church?
How many churches do you plan on having?
Seasteading is a good way to prepare the attitude for community space stations.
A proper PMA (private membership association) is like a seastead on land, right within the governmentally controlled space. Can only be done within a nation, if the nation is a common law land.
Seasteading is a good way to prepare the attitude for community space stations.
A proper PMA (private membership association) is like a seastead on land, right within the governmentally controlled space. Can only be done within a nation, if the nation is a common law land.
May as well ask Lagoon or Catalina how many of the boats they make are going to be used as churches.
Ocean Builders just builds seasteads. We are leaving it to the first 20 owners to design the foundation for future seastead systems. If you want to help decide what systems will be used for future seasteading then you should go to https://ocean.builders and fill out the form stating that you're interested in buying one.
Though just because the first 20 may decide on one system it does not imply that everyone else must follow it. But they will have first mover advantage with network affect.
In a common law based country, every individual is a micro-nation... except if he is a member of a family. Then the family is.
List of national legal systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_legal_systems ...
List of national legal systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_legal_systems ...
Micronations
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation
List of micronations
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_micronations
Polity
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polity
The individual (collective) as the (nation)-state!
..."body politic was also understood to mean "the physical person of the sovereign:"...
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation
List of micronations
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_micronations
Polity
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polity
The individual (collective) as the (nation)-state!
..."body politic was also understood to mean "the physical person of the sovereign:"...
^^^ Give these guys credit for trying. Lots of people have started their own, tiny countries. Most of them don't even realize what they are really doing. All they really want is to be left alone. Hitler, on the other hand, recognized a flaw in the government of his day, and took advantage of the flaw by taking over the nation.
Most people who come to the USA from civil law countries, can't imagine why or how the USA can keep on going... to say nothing about how it could be made better. They simply like it as it is, and usually stay. The few who leave do so because they don't realize how easy it is to make the country better.
Most people who come to the USA from civil law countries, can't imagine why or how the USA can keep on going... to say nothing about how it could be made better. They simply like it as it is, and usually stay. The few who leave do so because they don't realize how easy it is to make the country better.
Congrats!
All Hail KingDanny Elwar ...
Danny Wallace's How to Start Your Own Country Anthem
- https://youtu.be/X-CFz9kYBJI
How To Start Your Own Country S1E1
- https://youtu.be/qHHOFIKlnu4
How To Start Your Own Country S1E2
- https://youtu.be/AluP-ic6Rdc
How To Start Your Own Country S1E3
- https://youtu.be/D5kt9ROpD-A
How To Start Your Own Country S1E4
- https://youtu.be/KI0m4RscxzQ
How To Start Your Own Country S1E5
- https://youtu.be/5310jKCc3Zs
How To Start Your Own Country S1E6
- https://youtu.be/NhtX4uw3Rj0
P.S. Looks lovely ...
All Hail King
Danny Wallace's How to Start Your Own Country Anthem
- https://youtu.be/X-CFz9kYBJI
How To Start Your Own Country S1E1
- https://youtu.be/qHHOFIKlnu4
How To Start Your Own Country S1E2
- https://youtu.be/AluP-ic6Rdc
How To Start Your Own Country S1E3
- https://youtu.be/D5kt9ROpD-A
How To Start Your Own Country S1E4
- https://youtu.be/KI0m4RscxzQ
How To Start Your Own Country S1E5
- https://youtu.be/5310jKCc3Zs
How To Start Your Own Country S1E6
- https://youtu.be/NhtX4uw3Rj0
P.S. Looks lovely ...
How many churches do you plan on having?
Seasteading is a good way to prepare the attitude for community space stations.
A proper PMA (private membership association) is like a seastead on land, right within the governmentally controlled space. Can only be done within a nation, if the nation is a common law land.
Seasteading is a good way to prepare the attitude for community space stations.
A proper PMA (private membership association) is like a seastead on land, right within the governmentally controlled space. Can only be done within a nation, if the nation is a common law land.
This is very interesting to me..
I had to read your 2 threads here, some on the 2 forums, and your site before posting..
What are the advantages of a seastead platform over a boat? Is it registration laws?
I have been thinking using a sailboat to travel and live cheaply so I am already interested in being on the ocean but moreso to see interesting places and live happily on a relatively small budget, escape the rat race, than for the purpose of escaping laws. Actually traveling in a sailboat would be inflicting myself to all sorts of terrible laws depending on where I was visiting at the time.
I am behind the idealism of being sovereign but I don't think it would be worth it for me to have to live on a tiny space way out in the water. I think it would get very boring..
What are you going to do out there to stay occupied? Are you planning to do anything profitable out there through the advantage of no laws?
It sounds great being out there governed only by yourself but what are you going to do then? I imagine it would be fun for a minute and then get very boring.
One of these seastead things looks very easy and cheap to build. I already have a few ideas of how to build the spar cheap and easy with used materials.
Why don't you put a buoyant doughnut around your spar and use it to generate energy from the waves?
I like the idea of the spar being float height adjustable by pumping water in and out of it like a submarine. It sounds like a cool way of building a boat lift out in the water for maintenance.
I had to read your 2 threads here, some on the 2 forums, and your site before posting..
What are the advantages of a seastead platform over a boat? Is it registration laws?
I have been thinking using a sailboat to travel and live cheaply so I am already interested in being on the ocean but moreso to see interesting places and live happily on a relatively small budget, escape the rat race, than for the purpose of escaping laws. Actually traveling in a sailboat would be inflicting myself to all sorts of terrible laws depending on where I was visiting at the time.
I am behind the idealism of being sovereign but I don't think it would be worth it for me to have to live on a tiny space way out in the water. I think it would get very boring..
What are you going to do out there to stay occupied? Are you planning to do anything profitable out there through the advantage of no laws?
It sounds great being out there governed only by yourself but what are you going to do then? I imagine it would be fun for a minute and then get very boring.
One of these seastead things looks very easy and cheap to build. I already have a few ideas of how to build the spar cheap and easy with used materials.
Why don't you put a buoyant doughnut around your spar and use it to generate energy from the waves?
I like the idea of the spar being float height adjustable by pumping water in and out of it like a submarine. It sounds like a cool way of building a boat lift out in the water for maintenance.
The production versions will have active mooring which will allow you to move your home as you see fit. If you don't like your neighbors...just move.
As for initially being occupied. My gf and I will have plenty to do. We lived in a small bungalow in Tahiti and spent most of our time there. Her cooking and me on the 'net or reading.
We can go SCUBA diving and swimming. I plan on growing a coral garden on the spar and raising reef fish. Drone fishing...
Most importantly we have Internet so I'll never get bored.
And we can go into town. Either to Phuket or one of the islands.
But I imagine as people begin moving out there we will be very busy helping the newcomers get adjusted.
What are the advantages of a seastead platform over a boat? Is it registration laws?
As what I read, and I might be wrong, is because ship is getting moved with ocean currents. So you would need fuel to keep it on same position. This seastead is chained to sea bottom and stays put unless you want to move elsewhere.
Also as I imagine boat bounce way more then this seastead since only spar is in the water. Again I might have no ideas what I am talking about.
^^^ Oh, good. You are thinking sovereign already.
Sometimes it seems that I am speaking against seasteading. I am not! The only thing that I am trying to do is to make people think.
Any of us who are seriously looking at the idea of seasteading to start our own nation, probably have enough luxury in life that we live a little bit of a life of ease, and we don't really think about what goes into really making a free nation... especially if we are trying to beat USA freedom.
You don't want to be enslaved by agreements made to a corporate seastead "government" so that you are forced by your agreements to remain in the seastead if you find out that it is something that isn't for you after all. Think well. Get it in writing, well. Wear a gun.
Sometimes it seems that I am speaking against seasteading. I am not! The only thing that I am trying to do is to make people think.
Any of us who are seriously looking at the idea of seasteading to start our own nation, probably have enough luxury in life that we live a little bit of a life of ease, and we don't really think about what goes into really making a free nation... especially if we are trying to beat USA freedom.
You don't want to be enslaved by agreements made to a corporate seastead "government" so that you are forced by your agreements to remain in the seastead if you find out that it is something that isn't for you after all. Think well. Get it in writing, well. Wear a gun.
This is very interesting to me..
I had to read your 2 threads here, some on the 2 forums, and your site before posting..
What are the advantages of a seastead platform over a boat? Is it registration laws?
I have been thinking using a sailboat to travel and live cheaply so I am already interested in being on the ocean but moreso to see interesting places and live happily on a relatively small budget, escape the rat race, than for the purpose of escaping laws. Actually traveling in a sailboat would be inflicting myself to all sorts of terrible laws depending on where I was visiting at the time.
I am behind the idealism of being sovereign but I don't think it would be worth it for me to have to live on a tiny space way out in the water. I think it would get very boring..
What are you going to do out there to stay occupied? Are you planning to do anything profitable out there through the advantage of no laws?
It sounds great being out there governed only by yourself but what are you going to do then? I imagine it would be fun for a minute and then get very boring.
One of these seastead things looks very easy and cheap to build. I already have a few ideas of how to build the spar cheap and easy with used materials.
Why don't you put a buoyant doughnut around your spar and use it to generate energy from the waves?
I like the idea of the spar being float height adjustable by pumping water in and out of it like a submarine. It sounds like a cool way of building a boat lift out in the water for maintenance.
I had to read your 2 threads here, some on the 2 forums, and your site before posting..
What are the advantages of a seastead platform over a boat? Is it registration laws?
I have been thinking using a sailboat to travel and live cheaply so I am already interested in being on the ocean but moreso to see interesting places and live happily on a relatively small budget, escape the rat race, than for the purpose of escaping laws. Actually traveling in a sailboat would be inflicting myself to all sorts of terrible laws depending on where I was visiting at the time.
I am behind the idealism of being sovereign but I don't think it would be worth it for me to have to live on a tiny space way out in the water. I think it would get very boring..
What are you going to do out there to stay occupied? Are you planning to do anything profitable out there through the advantage of no laws?
It sounds great being out there governed only by yourself but what are you going to do then? I imagine it would be fun for a minute and then get very boring.
One of these seastead things looks very easy and cheap to build. I already have a few ideas of how to build the spar cheap and easy with used materials.
Why don't you put a buoyant doughnut around your spar and use it to generate energy from the waves?
I like the idea of the spar being float height adjustable by pumping water in and out of it like a submarine. It sounds like a cool way of building a boat lift out in the water for maintenance.
The United States got started because some wealthy jokers needed help to fight King George.
The only way the wealthy jokers could get the help of the massed people was to offer them a government of freedom.
The people of that day were smart enough that they could see through any trickery that the wealthy jokers might do. So, the wealthy jokers had to give them freedom, for real, with the enslavement well hidden.
They did it so well that it has taken up to the present to get the enslavement ball really rolling again. The fact that it is rolling can be seen in the fact that some people want seasteading freedom.
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Seasteading got started because some wealthy jokers needed help to fight enslavement.
The only way the wealthy jokers could get the help of the massed people was to offer them a government of seasteading freedom.
Present day people aren't smart enough that they can see through trickery that the wealthy jokers might do. So, the wealthy jokers have an easy time of making it look like they are giving them freedom.
It won't take long for the seasteading freedom to collapse, if it really gets started at all.
The only way the wealthy jokers could get the help of the massed people was to offer them a government of freedom.
The people of that day were smart enough that they could see through any trickery that the wealthy jokers might do. So, the wealthy jokers had to give them freedom, for real, with the enslavement well hidden.
They did it so well that it has taken up to the present to get the enslavement ball really rolling again. The fact that it is rolling can be seen in the fact that some people want seasteading freedom.
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Seasteading got started because some wealthy jokers needed help to fight enslavement.
The only way the wealthy jokers could get the help of the massed people was to offer them a government of seasteading freedom.
Present day people aren't smart enough that they can see through trickery that the wealthy jokers might do. So, the wealthy jokers have an easy time of making it look like they are giving them freedom.
It won't take long for the seasteading freedom to collapse, if it really gets started at all.
If your not protected by any country can't a group of pirates just overtake your seastead and there is nothing you can do about it.
That's the thing. We have no country preventing us from doing something about it.
If your not protected by any country can't a group of pirates just overtake your seastead and there is nothing you can do about it.
Love your idea and specially I love that you actually work on it. So many ended just as an ideas. I found the forum and will monitor progress. It is a bit to much for me right now to gasp everything.
its very cool
Do concrete hulled boat-islands get barnacles on their hulls? If they do, do the barnacles make the concrete hulls stronger? Or will they add extra weight that will sink the islands after a while?
I plan on growing biorock on the spar in order to foster the growth of coral for a very large coral garden that will make for a perfect environment for fish.
It also helps to prevent corrosion of the steel spar.
Do concrete hulled boat-islands get barnacles on their hulls? If they do, do the barnacles make the concrete hulls stronger? Or will they add extra weight that will sink the islands after a while?
Congratulations! It's getting real. It's not for me, but some people may enjoy the idea.
I wonder about water. Will each house have its own desalination device?
I wonder about water. Will each house have its own desalination device?
Yes. We are installing a water maker that creates 60 liters of water per hour.
Great. I didn't know those devices were available in such a small size. Should be good for 15 people.
Congratulations! It's getting real. It's not for me, but some people may enjoy the idea.
I wonder about water. Will each house have its own desalination device?
I wonder about water. Will each house have its own desalination device?
Yes. We are installing a water maker that creates 60 liters of water per hour.
Congratulations! It's getting real. It's not for me, but some people may enjoy the idea.
I wonder about water. Will each house have its own desalination device?
I wonder about water. Will each house have its own desalination device?
The platform will sit atop this spar.
More on how Ocean Builders plans on dealing with waves.
https://ocean.builders/waves
More on how Ocean Builders plans on dealing with waves.
https://ocean.builders/waves
That little box will be smashed to pieces in no time.
Can you list the items that will make this different than living on a houseboat? Or is that all Seasteading will be... a conglomerative joining of "houseboats" of sorts?
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