The happening in society is peace priceless?

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Quote from: Gozie51 on April 24, 2024, 12:33:56 PM

You can't buy peace actually for the individual it is relatively different because you can intentionally avoid certain things. If we are talking about peace in this context, I'm believing that it is being discussed in the area of fighting against the other and not the about health issues because if you also have health issues then you are not getting that desired peace.

But to be specific about the challenges of war, I think this is inevitable where two or more nations share boundaries. There has to be such struggle for terrestrial control of such areas and that peace is usually not gotten at ease and most times it is lost totally like we are witnessing in Israel/Palestine war, Ukraine/russian war etc and other troubles in the world including trade war.

Yes, you are absolutely correct and that is why peace is very important and valuable because without peace in ones life, that life will totally be a waste because the person can't rest and it can cause by poverty, health issues etc. That is why it is said that whatever thing we are doing in this life, we should do what is giving us joy and peace, because without it, one can't concentrate or focus to do things in a right way and if there is no peace in one's life, everything makes you restless and annoying.

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Peace is priceless for all of us; it is the most important condition for a happy life for people. Every person has many good and bad qualities. If there are more bad ones, the person is not satisfied with anything he has. All the time on the planet there are wars for territory, for resources, for the sphere of influence. Millions of people, children, are dying. I think it is impossible to stop this process. There are still dissatisfied people, disputes over territory still begin, it’s endless. We can only find peace in our soul to be calm no matter what happens. This is something we can control and are responsible for.

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Peace is priceless but it depends on what peace you’re talking of. Inner peace is priceless because you’re the one who sells it to yourself so there’s no need to pay for anything. But outer peace isn’t priceless. For instance I’m an environment where you can’t control how things happen, you have to do something that matches the environment to get peace. Or imagine you have inner peace but then someone tries to attack you physically. That’s what I understand.

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Quote from: Uhwuchukwu53 on April 24, 2024, 04:13:04 AM

this matter really hit hard on the happening within our environment, there is a saying that peace is priceless but in this recent time I don't agree with this because it's very difficult to get peace because for peace to be obtained by any individual the person must go extreme of not doing anything against nature even at the point of not going against nature, one is not free yet by unknown enemies because the heart of man is full of evil, many nation pays heavily to maintain and keep peace and protect their territory from being attack, so is single individual also need do all things to keep himself secure by doing all thing that pleases people around him/her why then is peace regarded as priceless, please tender your idea in this matter.

Your peace is based on external social treatment, and I completely agree that is also true. But I have a different perspective on external things (including war), which is an expression of our own inner self, a balance seen from a short perspective as individuals, we truly have peace with ourselves. Of course the many imperfect answers from the crowd are an excuse for avoiding problems in one's own thinking. I very rarely meet people who talk about peace from themselves, or only through notes from some great men who have appeared. And what was the broader perspective at the pre-war, territorial scale? Is it peace? I think of it as an infinite loop that we all live in, peace - conflict - war - peace.... can be understood in terms of this incomplete process.

Anyway, I think everything is wonderful and there is no value to measuring it, because each thing is what it is, just the way we assign it through language to receive consensus tone/contrast in point of view. I personally feel that my own smallness is sometimes just like a speck of dust in the desert, and even if I want things to be better, the storm or the drought don't care whether that speck of dust is there or not meaningful.

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It's the pre greed for power and control which causes greed as those who are not in power are ready to do anything in the power to get to the power and those who are into power are ready to do same to stay in power and for this peace is disturbed as everyone wants to control lives of other rather than living their life as we have seen in many countries where millitary coup has destroyed the nation and killed a part of its population to stay in control. I would say greed is the evil things which causes all the hassle.

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Monks do live in the same environment as everyone else but they the peace or at least that's what they are supposed to be which means peace is something that can't be obtained from the outer environment it is something from our inner self which should be under complete control but of course, it's not possible all the time but at least we can try to achieve the best by us.

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Quote from: Uhwuchukwu53 on April 24, 2024, 04:13:04 AM

this matter really hit hard on the happening within our environment, there is a saying that peace is priceless but in this recent time I don't agree with this because it's very difficult to get peace because for peace to be obtained by any individual the person must go extreme of not doing anything against nature even at the point of not going against nature, one is not free yet by unknown enemies because the heart of man is full of evil, many nation pays heavily to maintain and keep peace and protect their territory from being attack, so is single individual also need do all things to keep himself secure by doing all thing that pleases people around him/her why then is peace regarded as priceless, please tender your idea in this matter.

Peace is priceless doesn't mean that it is free. It is priceless because it is inestimable. The worth or price of peace is beyond material, financial, and human resources. The other factors of production will be useful or harnessed only when there is peace. Nobody is talking about the economic development of Ukraine because peace is what is needed. Ukraine will only discuss its GDP or other indicators of economic development when the war ends.

In our personal lives, no amount is too big to have a peaceful relationship with your friends and family. You have to tolerate the misbehavior of your spouse for you to enjoy a peaceful marriage. The summary is that peace is never too expensive.

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It is so sad but the reality that nowadays to get peace and convenience, it comes with a price. We don't have choice with that but if you can afford to pay for it. I know that peace is priceless but when you are able to and financial capable, you'll be able to get it whenever you can. The society will do everything it can to destroy your peace so choose your peace and whatever you can do with it.

And about the leadership in our territories and countries, there's always the part that we don't agree with our leaders. We tell sometimes that what they do is only for the benefits of themselves and they're not doing it for the sake of their people. The politics is a crazy and vast matter that many don't like to deal with because it only tackles the leaders and not mostly the incentives that they do to the people.

We feel what they do for what's beneficial but at most times, we just tell the same thing that they're all corrupt. Undecided

That breaks the peace that we have and the trust that we put on them.

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Quote from: Hispo on April 25, 2024, 07:27:17 PM

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Quote from: Hispo on April 24, 2024, 07:35:22 PM

It could be said peace is priceles because the value of peace and the implications of living in a peaceful society or a peaceful world goes beyond money of the wealth witch could be associated with the power of nations or rich individuals.
Though, in these scary times we are going through, we must wonder what those governments and the radical organizations which are at war against each other are willing to pay or sacrifice for the sake of their own version of peace, to them peace does indeed have a price and they are already paying for it.
Israel is paying with their soldiers, Hamas had shown to be willing to pay by sacrificing the future of the people from Gaza. I won't even mention the case of Russia and Ukraine, because those are obvious.

The value of peace comes when we all stop for a moment and realize about the countless sacrifices which have been done in the past, so most of us can live a relatively normal existence.

One of the most vital point which I wanted is highlighted as peace is not completely priceless because sacrifice's must be pay to obtain peace even at the point of some sacrifice the peace is not completely hard by those that seek the peace , your point is valid as it connote that peace is priceless but demand sacrifice.

The point I sorta wanted to make is that when we people talk about sacrifice when comes to the context of geopolitics and international relationships, they are always talking about putting human lives at stake for the sake of national interests and in many occasions those interest have something to do with peace... Or at least the vision a society has about peace.
For example, during the Nazi Germany the National socialist party thought there would be no peace in Europe until all the Jewish population and the communists were wiped out, that is a vision of peace they had and they were willing to go to war for it, to sacrife their young generations for it.

Another example would be how Israel is willing to pay the price of the human lives of their soldiers in the pursue of what they believe is going to be peace for them and their country, regardless of whether they are actually doing (commiting atrocities against the innocent and other crimes) they are acting for their own interests.
That is the price I meant, and since we are talking about lives, it would be morally correct to say it is priceless. Thinking otherwise would be insensitive and typical of someone with a very dire and gloomy view of the world...

You do hit the nailed on the Head, peace is of good to any who experience it but it's a give and take situation where the price remain the sacrifice made either by whom is experiencing the peace or been done to be inherited, narrowing this down to my nation stepping down to some of our society today our fur fathers sustain the community or society with some conveanant they made with what they believe them as the creator it could be diety or what ever and most keep on sacrificing before their death but their children failure to follow the directions which their parents followed become restless full with problem, war, premature death economy hardship etc it could be shown with this senairo that every peace have it sacrifice it can be be or small but sacrifice can't be taken away for peace.

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Quote from: Uhwuchukwu53 on April 25, 2024, 04:21:20 AM

Quote from: Hispo on April 24, 2024, 07:35:22 PM

It could be said peace is priceles because the value of peace and the implications of living in a peaceful society or a peaceful world goes beyond money of the wealth witch could be associated with the power of nations or rich individuals.
Though, in these scary times we are going through, we must wonder what those governments and the radical organizations which are at war against each other are willing to pay or sacrifice for the sake of their own version of peace, to them peace does indeed have a price and they are already paying for it.
Israel is paying with their soldiers, Hamas had shown to be willing to pay by sacrificing the future of the people from Gaza. I won't even mention the case of Russia and Ukraine, because those are obvious.

The value of peace comes when we all stop for a moment and realize about the countless sacrifices which have been done in the past, so most of us can live a relatively normal existence.

One of the most vital point which I wanted is highlighted as peace is not completely priceless because sacrifice's must be pay to obtain peace even at the point of some sacrifice the peace is not completely hard by those that seek the peace , your point is valid as it connote that peace is priceless but demand sacrifice.

The point I sorta wanted to make is that when we people talk about sacrifice when comes to the context of geopolitics and international relationships, they are always talking about putting human lives at stake for the sake of national interests and in many occasions those interest have something to do with peace... Or at least the vision a society has about peace.
For example, during the Nazi Germany the National socialist party thought there would be no peace in Europe until all the Jewish population and the communists were wiped out, that is a vision of peace they had and they were willing to go to war for it, to sacrife their young generations for it.

Another example would be how Israel is willing to pay the price of the human lives of their soldiers in the pursue of what they believe is going to be peace for them and their country, regardless of whether they are actually doing (commiting atrocities against the innocent and other crimes) they are acting for their own interests.
That is the price I meant, and since we are talking about lives, it would be morally correct to say it is priceless. Thinking otherwise would be insensitive and typical of someone with a very dire and gloomy view of the world...

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There is no price for peace if you may ask me, and if there is any, then its within what we can afford to give and make peace in the society, but many of us will not do or render that single sacrifice, contribution and support that every other members of the society will benefit from, we all have our individual roles expected of us to perform in ensuring that there is a peaceful coexistence in the society among members.

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Quote from: Hispo on April 24, 2024, 07:35:22 PM

It could be said peace is priceles because the value of peace and the implications of living in a peaceful society or a peaceful world goes beyond money of the wealth witch could be associated with the power of nations or rich individuals.
Though, in these scary times we are going through, we must wonder what those governments and the radical organizations which are at war against each other are willing to pay or sacrifice for the sake of their own version of peace, to them peace does indeed have a price and they are already paying for it.
Israel is paying with their soldiers, Hamas had shown to be willing to pay by sacrificing the future of the people from Gaza. I won't even mention the case of Russia and Ukraine, because those are obvious.

The value of peace comes when we all stop for a moment and realize about the countless sacrifices which have been done in the past, so most of us can live a relatively normal existence.

One of the most vital point which I wanted is highlighted as peace is not completely priceless because sacrifice's must be pay to obtain peace even at the point of some sacrifice the peace is not completely hard by those that seek the peace , your point is valid as it connote that peace is priceless but demand sacrifice.

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It could be said peace is priceles because the value of peace and the implications of living in a peaceful society or a peaceful world goes beyond money of the wealth witch could be associated with the power of nations or rich individuals.
Though, in these scary times we are going through, we must wonder what those governments and the radical organizations which are at war against each other are willing to pay or sacrifice for the sake of their own version of peace, to them peace does indeed have a price and they are already paying for it.
Israel is paying with their soldiers, Hamas had shown to be willing to pay by sacrificing the future of the people from Gaza. I won't even mention the case of Russia and Ukraine, because those are obvious.

The value of peace comes when we all stop for a moment and realize about the countless sacrifices which have been done in the past, so most of us can live a relatively normal existence.

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Peace is priceless that's why even the Holy Bible attested to this and said "follow peace with all men" but then the same scriptures said " the heart of man is desperately wicked", so even if peace is a necessity, the inherent nature of man to control and rule over his fellow man will make such a difficult to achieve. Sometimes ask yourself why some nations that are at war with other weaker nations are really at war and you'd find that the stronger one just wants to dominate the weaker one so they (the weak nation) can pledge their allegiance and loyalty.
Sometimes it's important to note that it takes understanding of something to be able to better approach it and if it's in area of living peaceably with the neighbors and all that, it's just to note that all humans are not the same and therefore behavioral patterns differ and you can be able to cope when you understand and learn to tolerate.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on April 24, 2024, 12:33:56 PM

You can't buy peace actually for the individual it is relatively different because you can intentionally avoid certain things. If we are talking about peace in this context, I'm believing that it is being discussed in the area of fighting against the other and not the about health issues because if you also have health issues then you are not getting that desired peace.

But to be specific about the challenges of war, I think this is inevitable where two or more nations share boundaries. There has to be such struggle for terrestrial control of such areas and that peace is usually not gotten at ease and most times it is lost totally like we are witnessing in Israel/Palestine war, Ukraine/russian war etc and other troubles in the world including trade war.

That is the reason I did not specify my text is in regards to all round peace in approach to health, living together, all where peace need to be observed either by individual or by a nation, cutting down to individual many don't leave there home without all manner of security guiding them because of their wealth when an individual can't move freely without a guard and of afraid been killed by people because of what he/she has. Is there peace in the case , you will releazed that the person need pay heavily on daily basis even seek informer to render information for safety because no matter how he help the society there still remains enemies around after it life in the regards peace is not priceless for me

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You can't buy peace actually for the individual it is relatively different because you can intentionally avoid certain things. If we are talking about peace in this context, I'm believing that it is being discussed in the area of fighting against the other and not the about health issues because if you also have health issues then you are not getting that desired peace.

But to be specific about the challenges of war, I think this is inevitable where two or more nations share boundaries. There has to be such struggle for terrestrial control of such areas and that peace is usually not gotten at ease and most times it is lost totally like we are witnessing in Israel/Palestine war, Ukraine/russian war etc and other troubles in the world including trade war.

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Quote from: Uhwuchukwu53 on April 24, 2024, 04:13:04 AM

this matter really hit hard on the happening within our environment, there is a saying that peace is priceless but in this recent time I don't agree with this because it's very difficult to get peace because for peace to be obtained by any individual the person must go extreme of not doing anything against nature even at the point of not going against nature, one is not free yet by unknown enemies because the heart of man is full of evil, many nation pays heavily to maintain and keep peace and protect their territory from being attack, so is single individual also need do all things to keep himself secure by doing all thing that pleases people around him/her why then is peace regarded as priceless, please tender your idea in this matter.

Nature has given us everything that could help us achieve this same peace we have always wanted, but we are not giving it on ourselves because of the selfish nature of human, where else can someone have peace than from his mind, this is the first place that we may resulted on and we cannot achieve peace somewhere else than when we first have it from our heart, then the ones with nations going against nations in war are nothing than the chase after fame and power, which we should not let such be as part of our concern, as long as we are not contributing to same that is happening in the wrong way.

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Peace is priceless because money cannot buy peace. Have you imagine rich people having big problems that makes them not to live a peaceful with their families no matter how much they have. I have seen a family that is very rich but the kids are not happy with each other and they hate themselves so much for one reason or the other. And there is nothing their parents can do about it.

The rich also cry, and they also pass through sorrowful times. For one to have peace, you need to be happy with the condition that you find yourself and accept all problems that comes your way as a challenge, with hope that they will come and go, and that nothing last forever. Maybe with such mindset, you will take life easy and live a peaceful. Too much worries will not bring peace.

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This is what bad leaders can cause to a nation or society, and it is the responsibility of the government to protect citizens to ensure they live in peace in their various society, but society are now paying for security to guide them before they can sleep in peace or live in peace.

I can still remember what my grandpa was telling me when I was 10 years old some years ago, that a time will come when people will achieve wealth but there will not be peace for them to enjoy the money like the way they used to last long with their wealth olden days, which is true in our society today, no peace in the society today because evil people are everywhere to cause evil in the society for people not to enjoy peace.

I know with time peace will be restore to society because some know where the calamity is coming from to cause the society not to have peace , and if they can begin to elect the right leaders into power,there will be peace among the people.

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this matter really hit hard on the happening within our environment, there is a saying that peace is priceless but in this recent time I don't agree with this because it's very difficult to get peace because for peace to be obtained by any individual the person must go extreme of not doing anything against nature even at the point of not going against nature, one is not free yet by unknown enemies because the heart of man is full of evil, many nation pays heavily to maintain and keep peace and protect their territory from being attack, so is single individual also need do all things to keep himself secure by doing all thing that pleases people around him/her why then is peace regarded as priceless, please tender your idea in this matter.

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