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As an aside, I just used a multi-coin ATM today, one I've used in the past with no problems.  But today I bought $60 worth of ETH and so far it hasn't shown up in my wallet.  I don't know if it can take hours for coins to appear, but I'm hoping that transaction didn't get messed up.

Unfortunately ETH transactions are also expensive nowadays.

TX times or TX just going astray are going to be problematic, especially when dealing with an ATM in a random location such as a local corner store that doesn't own the machine (meaning a long and protracted task to recover lost TX).

There should be some contact information listed on the specific ATM used, if there isn't any I'd be wary of using one.
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They have in very big topics of discussion in the past, although I myself couldn't picture a fully functioning Bitcoin Telling Machine as early as 2011, a mere few years after bitcoin is conceived. Things like this gets you excited for what the future has in store for bitcoin, because things that are labeled ridiculous or impossible by today's standards can become a reality in the next couple of years.

Many years ago I saw a couple of articles mentioning soft drink vending machines on College Campus's - since then I've seen vending machines accepting "tap and go" EFTPOS transactions, so The Banks are playing catch up in that respect.

As The Pharmacist touched on above, TX times or TX just going astray are going to be problematic, especially when dealing with an ATM in a random location such as a local corner store that doesn't own the machine (meaning a long and protracted task to recover lost TX).
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They have in very big topics of discussion in the past, although I myself couldn't picture a fully functioning Bitcoin Telling Machine as early as 2011, a mere few years after bitcoin is conceived. Things like this gets you excited for what the future has in store for bitcoin, because things that are labeled ridiculous or impossible by today's standards can become a reality in the next couple of years.
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I wasn't aware that ATMs needed an ID. Did it really needed a verification when doing transactions?
Sorry, I haven't looked at this thread in a while and missed your post.  Some bitcoin ATMs require a photo ID, and in the US that would be a driver's license.  But the last couple of ATMs I've used only required an SMS verification for purchases <$900.  There are different types of these ATMs, and I think I've linked to coinatmradar before.  If you search, you'll see all the different kinds--and each type has their own fee structure and KYC requirements.

As an aside, I just used a multi-coin ATM today, one I've used in the past with no problems.  But today I bought $60 worth of ETH and so far it hasn't shown up in my wallet.  I don't know if it can take hours for coins to appear, but I'm hoping that transaction didn't get messed up.

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Bitcoin ATMs are really cool technology, but I don’t make use of them because of how high the fees can be , and moreover there isn’t much of them in my country, just a few which I’m lucky to have experienced.

But maybe when there are lots of companies here offering this service of Bitcoin ATM, maybe the competition will be high, if there are lots of people making use of the ATMs and they will try to reduce their fees to be able to compete with others. For now I am completely off from making use of these ATMs, since there are other means I can easily do that without the stress of walking down to an ATM, paying high fees, and doing kyc.
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I wonder, was there really a need on your part to travel a few miles on a bicycle and on a very cold day just to transact with a Bitcoin ATM? Or was it just you thinking it was a nice day to bike around and visit the Bitcoin ATM in the adjacent town?
No, I absolutely didn't need to use the ATM.  By the way, I rode back there again today and bought some Dash in addition to bitcoin.  It's been a long winter and the past few days have been relatively mild, hence the desire for cycling--but I also like bitcoin ATMs and this particular one has much lower fees than the previous two I'd used.

And I agree with you that crypto/bitcoin ATMs are an unnecessary thing since nobody really needs bitcoin so urgently that they'd need to take a trip to that ATM to get it.  A normal crypto user would just buy it through an exchange like Coinbase, as it's much cheaper.  I'm curious to see whether these ATMs survive for exactly the reasons you and I just wrote about.  For right now I think they're a very cool novelty.

I wasn't aware that ATMs needed an ID. Did it really needed a verification when doing transactions?
Some of them do, some don't.  The one I used today and a few days ago only required me to receive an SMS text code and to input my name.  You can input any name with no problem.  I'm sure that camera that's in the machine is watching you, and they all have that.  The first one I tried to use wouldn't work, as it kept getting stuck at trying to take a picture of my driver's license.  That was annoying as hell.

why crypto atm instead of a crypto point-of-sale app?
I've never used anything like that, and I'll have to look into it.  As far as why I chose to use this ATM, I think I've pretty much explained it.  I didn't need bitcoin or Dash really badly, but I felt like riding my bike and I like to have a destination when I ride.  And again, I think the concept of bitcoin ATMs is very cool.
Probably depends on the provider, I don't really think there's much you can do to remain 100% anonymous anymore. As I've mentioned already, after some research, to use the ATM here you'll have to provide them with quite a little information/documents, as a KYC policy. Thus, I don't see an actual need for them to exist to be honest.

Most of the bitcoin ATM users and promoters are doing so to support the idea and the technology in bitcoin advancement, having a bitcoin ATM around the city make transactions very easy I don't buy bitcoin from a bitcoin ATM I rather withdrew my bitcoin or use it for payments through the use of a bitcoin card that support cash withdrawal and payments through the use of point of sale (POS) machine at retailer stores.
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The idea of bitcoin ATM may have come into existence with bitcoin because bitcoin developers would have to consider how to make bitcoin more accessible to it user at an effortless state and bitcoin ATM will do that job since most bitcoin user never want to walk into the bank because of KYC before buying bitcoin or making transactions using bitcoin. BTC ATMs have been around for a long time but their topics were mostly overlooked in the past until recently when the need for them increased and more and more new bitcoin ATMs being installed around the globe.
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Yaapp totally Agree!

It's just early and the new beginning for bitcoin future.

If we see the progress of the bitcoin since 2011, i believe the Price of bitcoin will reach more than 60k 600k or maybe more.

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Bitcoin is relatively new to that year, 2 years after bitcoin was created to be exact. A few people understood its concept and bitcoins+ATMs isnt much of a discussion. I read the thread that you provided, some of the people there were skeptical of having Bitcoin ATMs since its purpose was to only convert bitcoin to fiat money, which opposed the idea of bitcoin only revolving in the digital platform. Though the concept of bitcoin ATMs is convenient for some, since not all of us are holders and we need fiat money to purchase goods from time to time.
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Yeah, it is an issue that has been around for quite some time, and they have been an area of entrepreneurship that was launched by nature of the traditional currency (fiat) that we handle, so how not to use a bitcoin ATM to link the currency digital with the real world.

This topic reminded me of a pic where Gavin Andresen appears who is shown in a group that is developing this type of business.
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On the subject of using them I think that as soon as I have the opportunity I will take a selfie with any bitcoin ATM, in fact I think that one should check if there is an ATM in your area or when you travel, whether you use it or not it is a matter of "priorities".
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Hey Pharmacist, it would be nice if you share with us the way that you search for old thread, as we know the search tool in this forum isn't the best, so, I'm sure you are using another method and it would be nice to know how you do it.

As you say, in the early days we have a lot of ATH's, when BTC hits $10 for the first time, when it hit $100, when it gets up to $1000 and in those moments the early investors feel like there was really multiplying their money. and some wise people keep holding until now.
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in my country there was a bitcoin atm but it was banned by the government and closed. I saw the first time like a dream even though in the end it could not last long in my country, but I think it is already a good benefit. maybe i think every country should adopt bitcoin atm for easier and better transaction.
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For the last couple of years bitcoin ATMs were my preferred way of cashing out simply because they didn't require KYC (at least not in my country) and fee was somewhat reasonable (~4 %) but unfortunately ATM in my town increased the fee to approximately 6.5 % last year and that is something I am simply not willing to give anymore.

I do understand that owner has a lot of expenses and that profit margin ain't big for sure when he pays the rent for the place ( owner has 2 ATMs there) and all the taxes but still I felt like being robbed so I found other ways of cashing out while avoiding using my bank account.

@The Pharmacist I am just curious, how much is the fee at the ATM you are using?
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It's good that you at least have a bitcoin ATM nearby your location which you can visit to check it out.
In my case there was just one bitcoin ATM which the RBI seized as it was not having the permissions to be called as a ATM.
It was more of a Kiosk. I did a search and found out that there's one more ATM in India but unfortunately it is also reported as disabled.

https://coinatmradar.com/country/99/bitcoin-atm-india/
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In my country there is only one position of atm machine which is situated far away from me in another city, which I can't pay certain high amount of transportation fee to make use of it. Although I just have a feeling that I miss the vibes and experience, buying/selling with ATM machine will give me, on my end I usually sell and buy my bitcoin through a p2p means which is not giving me the free mind of transacting.

To be frankly speaking, Bitcoin ATM machine will give you a good sense of humor on how the civilization of blockchain and cryptocurrency had gone so far more than before during the old 2013 days, therefore you will realize how decentralization is taking over gradually, I'm just hoping I can't make use of or rather visit other civilised tools in the crypto space like that of the large mining farm, also ordered hardware wallet, and lastly the ATM machine.
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Malaysia, for example actually had 2 ATMs in a trendy area some time in 2012-2013 (imagine) back when most people still didn't even feel comfortable with mobile payments yet. They both fell into disrepair really quickly too ha!

I've been following the Bitcoin ATM space since the start, I really doubt there were any there before 2014 unless it was a temporary thing self-built DIY thing by an enthusiast.

I don't know much about how those things would have worked, I can't remember exactly when it was but my memory says it was probably September of either year, because I'd spoken to a guy representing the company doing it and it was a machine that could sell you all kinds of currency, mostly online game currency that's really big in Southeast Asia, and he said you could also buy Bitcoin. So it wasn't a Bitcoin ATM specifically, though I know it was at some point listed in some ATM radar sites.

About a year after talking to the guy, I was asked to cover some opinion piece about Silk Road (much later after it was closed), and then a time after that a review of the film Dope, which was the last thing I did in that work about Bitcoin. Wish I could retrieve all this but the paper I worked for closed down in 2016.

Mind you, I had not myself used Bitcoin in any way during this time! The main reason was another long story related to e-gold;)
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When I started hearing of the bitcoin ATM,  my mind did drift to the possibility of the machine actually vomiting coins, lol. As we all know, there isn't any such physical coin and so, that is a very unlikely event that won't be happening and I hope not though, I'm still curious as to how the bitcoin machine really operates and if, its universal.

On this note of the possibility of a bitcoin ATM to be strategically installed in places of the world, I begin to ask why? Why some countries aren't seeing this progress and still restrict individual participation? Here is a photo on the available bitcoin and locations amongst African nation.

Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/blocknewsafrica.com/bitcoin-atms-in-africa/amp/
It becomes of increasing difficulty to agree that, Nigeria is actually facing off with bitcoin but still, I'll invest as I can't afford to play there dirty games.
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You are also right about this, crypto ATMs terms of services differ, but I too noticed they are moving towards ways individual identities can be easily known, but I have come to think the company providing such services have a mobile number, email or other ways to get in touch to know about their terms of service, some people will first do that to know if to use it or not. Some will not require for anything related to kyc (but I doubt that these days), some will not require for anything other than phone number while buying and selling less than $2000 but it depends on terms of service. Although, giving out phone number can likely compromise privacy,  and I have never heard of recent ATMs that will not demand for phone number at certain point either for buying and selling, but these TOS are important because very possible there are some crypto ATM that might still provide the privacy.

There are still Bitcoin ATMs in continental Europe which don't even require a phone number, much less other forms of identification. But it's probably a matter of time before that changes forever.

Malaysia, for example actually had 2 ATMs in a trendy area some time in 2012-2013 (imagine) back when most people still didn't even feel comfortable with mobile payments yet. They both fell into disrepair really quickly too ha!

I've been following the Bitcoin ATM space since the start, I really doubt there were any there before 2014 unless it was a temporary thing self-built DIY thing by an enthusiast.
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It's very impressive that some ATMs existed back in 2013, I didn't know they were a thing back then. I've searched a little about ATMs in Ukraine, and there's an article from 2014 which states that there is a Lamassu Bitcoin ATM in Ukraine and intentions to offer other options soon. That's also pretty early, especially since the vast majority of ATMs are still located in North America, and Ukraine is not the first country that comes to mind in terms of crypto adoption.
What was the fee of the ATM that you used, by the way? I avoid ATMs because of the fees, so I'm curious if they're becoming acceptable.
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I have had so many discussions about this, and actually, if you can believe it, most of them took place before I even had my first Bitcoin wallet (I covered some of the news in my locations, and Bitcoin was always sort of a curious topic on the leisure or back pages even at that time).

Malaysia, for example actually had 2 ATMs in a trendy area some time in 2012-2013 (imagine) back when most people still didn't even feel comfortable with mobile payments yet. They both fell into disrepair really quickly too ha!

ATMs, I later learnt, were huge for some North Americans I worked with. They sold everything they earned on it to get cash. This was at late as 2018/19.

I'm actually still waiting for the ones in my area to come back. They were taken down early last year (can't recall anymore when) after apparently new AMLD5 rulings on kyc. Imagine you could actually still buy/sell EUR 5000 per day without ID;) I actually vaguely remember you opening a post about ATMs too last year, that was you on your bike, wasn't it?Wink
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I've never used anything like that, and I'll have to look into it.  As far as why I chose to use this ATM, I think I've pretty much explained it.  I didn't need bitcoin or Dash really badly, but I felt like riding my bike and I like to have a destination when I ride.  And again, I think the concept of bitcoin ATMs is very cool.

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the idea is cool for most of us, but we have many people who are really strict with privacy and prefer to be anonymous as a bitcoiner.
for enthusiasts like me, it's a yes. I love trying new things. We had a bitcoin ATM here a few years ago at a coworking space. it used to be a cool bitcoin-related stuff. but then regulation hit it badly.

I read that mastercard wants to bring bitcoin to their network. how about it? will it make bitcoin more "ATM"able?
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Its quite surprising how far, and wide the ATMs have reached around the world. I've some some in foreign countries, as well as being in my home country. I'm never really seen the need to use one, over other more traditional ways, especially if you were to consider tampering, which occasionally can occur with non cryptocurrency ATMs. Personally, I prefer to purchase from an exchange, but I'm curious in this day, and age what would be the benefit for a cryptocurrency ATM other than being a gimmick?
You are not wrong about this, some people will prefer to make use of exchanges, while some people will even like p2p exchanges, while some will go a bit further for privacy reasons to make use of noncustododial exchanges like bsiq. But the rise of crypto ATMs are increasing, this is because people see it useful, I noticed these ATMs are very close to or within big stores, malls, super markets and the likes. In this case, many people see it useful to buy from the stores while using crypto ATM for payment are accepted, many buyers will not hesitate to make use of it in this case.

The ATM would themselves add a markup, very much like traditional exchanges, these days everyone offering a service usually requires KYC, and therefore that eliminates the privacy aspect that these provided once upon a time, and by using a ATM you are publicly advertising that you are into Bitcoin, and with the recent surges in Bitcoin, one might become a higher priority target than traditional ATM users.
You are also right about this, crypto ATMs terms of services differ, but I too noticed they are moving towards ways individual identities can be easily known, but I have come to think the company providing such services have a mobile number, email or other ways to get in touch to know about their terms of service, some people will first do that to know if to use it or not. Some will not require for anything related to kyc (but I doubt that these days), some will not require for anything other than phone number while buying and selling less than $2000 but it depends on terms of service. Although, giving out phone number can likely compromise privacy,  and I have never heard of recent ATMs that will not demand for phone number at certain point either for buying and selling, but these TOS are important because very possible there are some crypto ATM that might still provide the privacy.

There's also the fact that these ATMs are usually situated in cities, and therefore require traveling to get to for a lot of people which either adds to the costs, or simply as it was in your case; adds some muscle. I would be particularly interested in seeing the statistics of how often these devices are used, since I simply can't see them being viable for most users, or at least not very convenient.
There are alternatives like you have once mentioned, if someone is not located where crypto ATM is, he/she can still make use of other methods while p2p is available everywhere and easily accessible online, this will be the forgo of those not having crypto ATM nearby, but some users do make sure of it while shopping in stores. People making use of crypto ATM are people that have close access to it while other alternatives are there like you mentioned and I think p2p is just my best way. But crypto ATM is one of the ways more people are knowing bitcoin and the number is increasing because people in the nearest location to it are using it, I think more probably for shopper in stores.
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Its quite surprising how far, and wide the ATMs have reached around the world. I've some some in foreign countries, as well as being in my home country. I'm never really seen the need to use one, over other more traditional ways, especially if you were to consider tampering, which occasionally can occur with non cryptocurrency ATMs. Personally, I prefer to purchase from an exchange, but I'm curious in this day, and age what would be the benefit for a cryptocurrency ATM other than being a gimmick?
Maybe the same thing that a normal ATM is going to offer is what a crypto ATM does, I don't think that there isn't much different. I too am surprised, as far as I know, in my country there isn't even one bitcoin ATM at the moment which isn't bad at all because that means that there are some regulations and taxations involved when you use their services.
The ATM would themselves add a markup, very much like traditional exchanges, these days everyone offering a service usually requires KYC, and therefore that eliminates the privacy aspect that these provided once upon a time, and by using a ATM you are publicly advertising that you are into Bitcoin, and with the recent surges in Bitcoin, one might become a higher priority target than traditional ATM users.
I mean, there is nothing wrong with that I guess, just wear a mask, fake beard, contact lenses, and a beanie to hide your face from the ATM cameras, I am pretty sure that no one is going to bat an eye if you are to do that.
There's also the fact that these ATMs are usually situated in cities, and therefore require traveling to get to for a lot of people which either adds to the costs, or simply as it was in your case; adds some muscle. I would be particularly interested in seeing the statistics of how often these devices are used, since I simply can't see them being viable for most users, or at least not very convenient.
It is good that it is in the city because there are more people there, the requirement to travel to city to get to a bitcoin ATM is not the fault of the ATMs themselves because they are a business and they need to target more people as much as possible, the real goobers in that scenario is the government that didn't develop the outskirts of the city.
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Its quite surprising how far, and wide the ATMs have reached around the world. I've some some in foreign countries, as well as being in my home country. I'm never really seen the need to use one, over other more traditional ways, especially if you were to consider tampering, which occasionally can occur with non cryptocurrency ATMs. Personally, I prefer to purchase from an exchange, but I'm curious in this day, and age what would be the benefit for a cryptocurrency ATM other than being a gimmick?

The ATM would themselves add a markup, very much like traditional exchanges, these days everyone offering a service usually requires KYC, and therefore that eliminates the privacy aspect that these provided once upon a time, and by using a ATM you are publicly advertising that you are into Bitcoin, and with the recent surges in Bitcoin, one might become a higher priority target than traditional ATM users.

There are still ATMs which don't require KYC, so that's one reason to use one for many people. Not all of them have huge markups. There's more trouble with using exchanges as they always ask for dox, can refuse to do business with a users for any reason, can freeze the funds, some banks don't allow their users to do business with exchanges, etc. And some people still haven't entirely switched to electronic payments.

There's also the fact that these ATMs are usually situated in cities, and therefore require traveling to get to for a lot of people which either adds to the costs, or simply as it was in your case; adds some muscle. I would be particularly interested in seeing the statistics of how often these devices are used, since I simply can't see them being viable for most users, or at least not very convenient.

Most people live in urban areas.

Yea, just a pity that the manufacturers and distributors of these Bitcoin ATM's are mostly targeted at the 1st world countries and 3rd world cities are not even covered. I travel a lot for work and I can tell you that there are almost ZERO Bitcoin ATM's in large cities in 3rd world countries.

I think these companies are just worried about the profits and they could care less about these 3rd world countries. (Getting these ATM's out there, will help with remittance ...because a lot of 3rd world citizens are working in 1st world countries and they always send money home with expensive remittance services, like MoneyGram)  Angry

People in 3rd world countries are free to buy Bitcoin ATMs themselves to operate and make money from. If few are doing it, there probably are risk/regulatory reasons for that. They're poorer but not that poor to explain why there are so few Bitcoin ATMs in some poorer populous countries.
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I wonder, was there really a need on your part to travel a few miles on a bicycle and on a very cold day just to transact with a Bitcoin ATM? Or was it just you thinking it was a nice day to bike around and visit the Bitcoin ATM in the adjacent town?
No, I absolutely didn't need to use the ATM.  By the way, I rode back there again today and bought some Dash in addition to bitcoin.  It's been a long winter and the past few days have been relatively mild, hence the desire for cycling--but I also like bitcoin ATMs and this particular one has much lower fees than the previous two I'd used.

And I agree with you that crypto/bitcoin ATMs are an unnecessary thing since nobody really needs bitcoin so urgently that they'd need to take a trip to that ATM to get it.  A normal crypto user would just buy it through an exchange like Coinbase, as it's much cheaper.  I'm curious to see whether these ATMs survive for exactly the reasons you and I just wrote about.  For right now I think they're a very cool novelty.

I don't think they'd be gone soon. So far, their numbers are still increasing.

I quite agree that Bitcoin/crypto ATMs are cool. Surely, they're there for certain reasons beyond their practical purpose. A Bitcoin/crypto ATM could, for example, probably act as a proof or testament that Bitcoin/crypto is indeed legit, that it's actually in the open and not some mysterious and clandestine form of cult money, or that it's not just some Ponzi, deep web or criminal money, investment scam, and so on they've heard or read somewhere.

They also serve as a sort of a marketing for Bitcoin/crypto. And I guess they're effective to a certain extent. They probably make people encounter Bitcoin for the first time and, better, get curious about it.
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Its quite surprising how far, and wide the ATMs have reached around the world. I've some some in foreign countries, as well as being in my home country. I'm never really seen the need to use one, over other more traditional ways, especially if you were to consider tampering, which occasionally can occur with non cryptocurrency ATMs. Personally, I prefer to purchase from an exchange, but I'm curious in this day, and age what would be the benefit for a cryptocurrency ATM other than being a gimmick?

The ATM would themselves add a markup, very much like traditional exchanges, these days everyone offering a service usually requires KYC, and therefore that eliminates the privacy aspect that these provided once upon a time, and by using a ATM you are publicly advertising that you are into Bitcoin, and with the recent surges in Bitcoin, one might become a higher priority target than traditional ATM users.

There's also the fact that these ATMs are usually situated in cities, and therefore require traveling to get to for a lot of people which either adds to the costs, or simply as it was in your case; adds some muscle. I would be particularly interested in seeing the statistics of how often these devices are used, since I simply can't see them being viable for most users, or at least not very convenient.
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I wonder, was there really a need on your part to travel a few miles on a bicycle and on a very cold day just to transact with a Bitcoin ATM? Or was it just you thinking it was a nice day to bike around and visit the Bitcoin ATM in the adjacent town?
No, I absolutely didn't need to use the ATM.  By the way, I rode back there again today and bought some Dash in addition to bitcoin.  It's been a long winter and the past few days have been relatively mild, hence the desire for cycling--but I also like bitcoin ATMs and this particular one has much lower fees than the previous two I'd used.

And I agree with you that crypto/bitcoin ATMs are an unnecessary thing since nobody really needs bitcoin so urgently that they'd need to take a trip to that ATM to get it.  A normal crypto user would just buy it through an exchange like Coinbase, as it's much cheaper.  I'm curious to see whether these ATMs survive for exactly the reasons you and I just wrote about.  For right now I think they're a very cool novelty.

I wasn't aware that ATMs needed an ID. Did it really needed a verification when doing transactions?
Some of them do, some don't.  The one I used today and a few days ago only required me to receive an SMS text code and to input my name.  You can input any name with no problem.  I'm sure that camera that's in the machine is watching you, and they all have that.  The first one I tried to use wouldn't work, as it kept getting stuck at trying to take a picture of my driver's license.  That was annoying as hell.

why crypto atm instead of a crypto point-of-sale app?
I've never used anything like that, and I'll have to look into it.  As far as why I chose to use this ATM, I think I've pretty much explained it.  I didn't need bitcoin or Dash really badly, but I felt like riding my bike and I like to have a destination when I ride.  And again, I think the concept of bitcoin ATMs is very cool.
Probably depends on the provider, I don't really think there's much you can do to remain 100% anonymous anymore. As I've mentioned already, after some research, to use the ATM here you'll have to provide them with quite a little information/documents, as a KYC policy. Thus, I don't see an actual need for them to exist to be honest.
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I wonder, was there really a need on your part to travel a few miles on a bicycle and on a very cold day just to transact with a Bitcoin ATM? Or was it just you thinking it was a nice day to bike around and visit the Bitcoin ATM in the adjacent town?
No, I absolutely didn't need to use the ATM.  By the way, I rode back there again today and bought some Dash in addition to bitcoin.  It's been a long winter and the past few days have been relatively mild, hence the desire for cycling--but I also like bitcoin ATMs and this particular one has much lower fees than the previous two I'd used.

And I agree with you that crypto/bitcoin ATMs are an unnecessary thing since nobody really needs bitcoin so urgently that they'd need to take a trip to that ATM to get it.  A normal crypto user would just buy it through an exchange like Coinbase, as it's much cheaper.  I'm curious to see whether these ATMs survive for exactly the reasons you and I just wrote about.  For right now I think they're a very cool novelty.

I wasn't aware that ATMs needed an ID. Did it really needed a verification when doing transactions?
Some of them do, some don't.  The one I used today and a few days ago only required me to receive an SMS text code and to input my name.  You can input any name with no problem.  I'm sure that camera that's in the machine is watching you, and they all have that.  The first one I tried to use wouldn't work, as it kept getting stuck at trying to take a picture of my driver's license.  That was annoying as hell.

why crypto atm instead of a crypto point-of-sale app?
I've never used anything like that, and I'll have to look into it.  As far as why I chose to use this ATM, I think I've pretty much explained it.  I didn't need bitcoin or Dash really badly, but I felt like riding my bike and I like to have a destination when I ride.  And again, I think the concept of bitcoin ATMs is very cool.

With all due respect to you, there is something about your story that doesn't add up for me. You are a legendary member of the forum, you are also in the Chip Mixer signature campaign and you say you have gone to a Bitcoin ATM to buy Bitcoin? I do not know if it was just to test it but I think that if you want to accumulate just by saving what they pay you in the campaign you'll end up with a lot.
LOL, you're way too suspicious.  Why would any of the factors you listed necessarily make anyone think I'd be above or averse to using a bitcoin ATM?  I'm an average guy who likes bitcoin, and Chipmixer doesn't pay what it used to anyway. 
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I wasn't aware that ATMs needed an ID. Did it really needed a verification when doing transactions? Here in my country, I haven't heard much of Bitcoin ATMs as those were not that common and in fact they're not in non-busy areas actually.
Anyways, if some ATMs really require such government issued ids then I would somehow think twice before I even decide to dive into that kind of stuff. Wallets in my desktop is already more than enough anyway.
I can use online buying to get myself spare BTCs. It might not be that secured than ATMs but I can manage.
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why crypto atm instead of a crypto point-of-sale app?
for example XPOS by PundiX.
https://pundix.com/product
it's cheaper and smaller than ATM.

POS app could become a mini ATM, right?
I mean the money can be given by the merchant.
do I miss something about this?
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There is one in the nearby city, 65 kilometers from here, I've never used it though. I don't think there is a need for Bitcoin ATMs but they can be useful in a few cases. One thought would be to purchase/sell/withdraw large amounts of Bitcoin without being detected by IRS services. I'm not exactly how they work though. That's one interesting thought, if it can actually be implemented to work like that, I wouldn't want to withdraw large amounts to my bank account.

Withdrawal through Bitcoin ATMs has daily limits just like a regular ATM. And not all Bitcoin ATMs do not require identification.

Haven't thought about that to be honest, totally forgot that due to the whole GDPR, even Bitcoin ATMs ask for verification and KYC. It' might actually be safe(r), in terms of exposing profits to IRS, comparing to depositing funds from an exchange to your bank.

Looked it up about the withdrawal limits but didn't find any information about those we have here. However, it's rational to say that you won't be able to withdraw 1000s at any given time.
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Hi buddy. With all due respect to you, there is something about your story that doesn't add up for me. You are a legendary member of the forum, you are also in the Chip Mixer signature campaign and you say you have gone to a Bitcoin ATM to buy Bitcoin? I do not know if it was just to test it but I think that if you want to accumulate just by saving what they pay you in the campaign you'll end up with a lot.

At first, I thought you had gone there to sell BTC.

It does not seem that you need to buy Bitcoin and if it was for privacy there are other options.
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I was using a bitcoin ATM located originally in one part of South Brisbane in 2014 which was located inside a coffee roasting cafe.  Unknown to the owner of the ATM was the fact the Coffee Roaster business was a front for a bikie gang to launder money - via the coffee, not the bitcoins...  When the police raided the establishment, they leaked to the media that a bitcoin ATM had been seized and so the media went into a frenzy that bitcoins are evil, money laundering blah blah (etc)...

Without any fanfare a year later, the police admitted the bitcoin ATM had nothing to do with the bikie gang money laundering and it was relocated to Fish Lane (check it out if you're ever in Brisbane) also in South Brisbane.  Ironically, the building is now the Commonwealth Bank.  At the time the bitcoin ATM was there, it was a struggling office supply shop.  (people would go into the shop to get bitcoin, not office supplies)




AFAIK when the raid occurred, the other ATM owners around Brisbane unplugged their machines and haven't relocated even now.
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I will only be dreaming of that kind of thing happening in my country, I am in a way jealous that you have bitcoin ATMs as opposed to what we are doing in my country converting it to cash and withdrawing it in a conventional ATM. Maybe the winds of progression will come to our homeland and I will see bitcoin ATMs pop up everywhere but right now, I won't hold on to that possibility because there isn't a lot of people that knows about bitcoin in my country.

I suppose you are from the Philippines. Actually, the country is so much ahead of other countries in terms of Bitcoin ATM installation. The first Bitcoin ATM was operational way back in 2014, if my memory serves me right.

Try to check it out at coinatmradar.com also. The Philippines has 9 all in all, 7 of which are around Metro Manila. I am not sure how many are actually operational, though. 

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There is one in the nearby city, 65 kilometers from here, I've never used it though. I don't think there is a need for Bitcoin ATMs but they can be useful in a few cases. One thought would be to purchase/sell/withdraw large amounts of Bitcoin without being detected by IRS services. I'm not exactly how they work though. That's one interesting thought, if it can actually be implemented to work like that, I wouldn't want to withdraw large amounts to my bank account.

Withdrawal through Bitcoin ATMs has daily limits just like a regular ATM. And not all Bitcoin ATMs do not require identification.
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I wonder, was there really a need on your part to travel a few miles on a bicycle and on a very cold day just to transact with a Bitcoin ATM? Or was it just you thinking it was a nice day to bike around and visit the Bitcoin ATM in the adjacent town?

My point is that having a Bitcoin ATM around is nice and could be handy at times but I don't think people really need them. Well, if you are stuck traveling somewhere where stores are not accepting payments in cards and you have no cash in hand and there was no other ATM available but a Bitcoin ATM, then it's a lot of help. But I'm not sure if anybody will be caught in such circumstances.

Crypto-supported cards are enough to make Bitcoin ATMs less important. Moreover, I don't think buying Bitcoin through an ATM is also the best method.
There is one in the nearby city, 65 kilometers from here, I've never used it though. I don't think there is a need for Bitcoin ATMs but they can be useful in a few cases. One thought would be to purchase/sell/withdraw large amounts of Bitcoin without being detected by IRS services. I'm not exactly how they work though. That's one interesting thought, if it can actually be implemented to work like that, I wouldn't want to withdraw large amounts to my bank account.
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Yea, just a pity that the manufacturers and distributors of these Bitcoin ATM's are mostly targeted at the 1st world countries and 3rd world cities are not even covered. I travel a lot for work and I can tell you that there are almost ZERO Bitcoin ATM's in large cities in 3rd world countries.

I think these companies are just worried about the profits and they could care less about these 3rd world countries. (Getting these ATM's out there, will help with remittance ...because a lot of 3rd world citizens are working in 1st world countries and they always send money home with expensive remittance services, like MoneyGram)  Angry
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I remember seeing a bitcoin ATM and thinking - why not give it a try . I found it rather daunting at first, but subsequently used a couple of these over the years. I think these are great for mass adoption of Bitcoin, even if people don’t actually use them it’s a great little bit of advertising!
PS I also love going through the old threads - this forum is and will always be a great piece of history  Smiley
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I will only be dreaming of that kind of thing happening in my country, I am in a way jealous that you have bitcoin ATMs as opposed to what we are doing in my country converting it to cash and withdrawing it in a conventional ATM. Maybe the winds of progression will come to our homeland and I will see bitcoin ATMs pop up everywhere but right now, I won't hold on to that possibility because there isn't a lot of people that knows about bitcoin in my country.
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There's also another earlier thread, The Bitcoin ATM Is Coming at a Location Near You???.

It's interesting though that after 3 years in that thread (2014), someone posted that an ATM has been established in Switzerland. So it took that long for crypto business owners to realised how lucrative a bitcoin ATM could be, and now we have 16445 as per https://coinatmradar.com/, which coincidentally was also started around 2014.
History of coinatmradar.com. It was registered and began in 2014.

Domain Information: https://www.whois.com/whois/coinatmradar.com
Wayback machine: https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://coinatmradar.com/

Some alternative websites for coinatmradar:
- https://coinme.com/locations/
- https://www.coinstar.com/bitcoin
- https://bitcoinatm.com/
- https://localcoinatm.com/

The first bitcoin ATM was used in 2013 with info from Bitcoin Wiki.
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On October 29, 2013, a Robocoin machine opened in the Waves coffee shop in downtown Vancouver, Canada.[4][5] This machine is understood to be the world's first publicly available Bitcoin ATM. Robocoin ceased operations in 2015.[6] The first machine in the United States went online on February 18, 2014, in a cigar bar in Albuquerque, New Mexico.[7] It was removed 30 days later.[8] On December 8, 2013, Europe's first Bitcoin ATM was installed in Bratislava, Slovakia.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin_ATM
https://mashable.com/2013/10/30/bitcoin-atm-2/
https://www.wired.com/2013/10/robocoin-here/
https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/bitcoin-atm-conducts-10000-worth-transactions-day/story?id=20730762
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I wonder, was there really a need on your part to travel a few miles on a bicycle and on a very cold day just to transact with a Bitcoin ATM? Or was it just you thinking it was a nice day to bike around and visit the Bitcoin ATM in the adjacent town?

My point is that having a Bitcoin ATM around is nice and could be handy at times but I don't think people really need them. Well, if you are stuck traveling somewhere where stores are not accepting payments in cards and you have no cash in hand and there was no other ATM available but a Bitcoin ATM, then it's a lot of help. But I'm not sure if anybody will be caught in such circumstances.

Crypto-supported cards are enough to make Bitcoin ATMs less important. Moreover, I don't think buying Bitcoin through an ATM is also the best method.

I also thought about this that some of us really prefer to have a transaction online instead of going on a certain place just to buy bitcoin.

Bitcoin ATMs are a good sign that we are seeing mass adoption in some places because they are allowing these machines to operate freely.

If it is not necessary to use Bitcoin ATM then don't push yourself to do it.

But if you just want to experience it and you are curious about how it works then we are free to do it so.
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I used one recently myself and I agree, they have come a long way. I used one for the first time in 2016. It was in the lobby of a hotel and the crowd I was with weren't very happy that they had to sit around for half an hour while the withdrawal confirmed 3 times... Even the hotel security guard thought I was wasting my time and told me to go use the (real) ATM next door.

Now you can initiate the sale at home and then go pick it up when its ready. Sales fees around here is about 5%, which isn't terrible. But if you want to buy BTC they tack on a 20% premium! Its ridiculous... But as far as selling concerned, I can be done with the experience in the same amount of time it would take me to withdraw cash.
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the ATM didn't even require a scan of my driver's license.  It was simple and easy to buy bitcoin at this one and I'm happy I made the trip.
This is because of the amount you were trading, most services have a system in place where smaller amounts doesn't require KYC (although some form of identification like phone number is necessary), for coinflip their limit is $900;
I'm assuming they weren't around back then, but I don't even recall much discussion of them until 2016 or so--and I guess I assumed it was a relatively new concept.  I was wrong.
Agreed, the concept of an ATM for exchanging Bitcoin must have been relatively new as Bitcoin itself had a very small community at the time. Coinatmradar only goes as far back as 2014, and records that there were 5 Bitcoin ATMs in existence at the time, compared to the 16,450 registered today.
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There's also another earlier thread, The Bitcoin ATM Is Coming at a Location Near You???.

It's interesting though that after 3 years in that thread (2014), someone posted that an ATM has been established in Switzerland. So it took that long for crypto business owners to realised how lucrative a bitcoin ATM could be, and now we have 16445 as per https://coinatmradar.com/, which coincidentally was also started around 2014.
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I wonder, was there really a need on your part to travel a few miles on a bicycle and on a very cold day just to transact with a Bitcoin ATM? Or was it just you thinking it was a nice day to bike around and visit the Bitcoin ATM in the adjacent town?

My point is that having a Bitcoin ATM around is nice and could be handy at times but I don't think people really need them. Well, if you are stuck traveling somewhere where stores are not accepting payments in cards and you have no cash in hand and there was no other ATM available but a Bitcoin ATM, then it's a lot of help. But I'm not sure if anybody will be caught in such circumstances.

Crypto-supported cards are enough to make Bitcoin ATMs less important. Moreover, I don't think buying Bitcoin through an ATM is also the best method.
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I took my bicycle out for a very cold 6 mile ride today to visit an ATM in the next town--and, by the way, I had a much better experience than the last couple of times I ventured out to a bitcoin ATM.  The markup wasn't ridiculous and the ATM didn't even require a scan of my driver's license.  It was simple and easy to buy bitcoin at this one and I'm happy I made the trip.

So I searched Bitcoin Discussion for "bitcoin ATM" looking for previous threads I'd posted in, and to my surprise most of the threads that popped up were from the early days of crypto, including this one from 2011.  I'm assuming they weren't around back then, but I don't even recall much discussion of them until 2016 or so--and I guess I assumed it was a relatively new concept.  I was wrong.

If you've never browsed threads/posts on this forum from way back, I highly recommend spending some time doing so because it's fascinating how things from 10 years ago seem ancient now.  I also recommend the Coinflip ATMs (which I used today) based on my admittedly limited experience, because you could do a hell of a lot worse with the other ones which charge you an arm and a leg and want at least some KYC docs.

Happy to hear your thoughts on any of this.
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