Topic: The Law of One: A New Age Theory of the Universe (Read 2081 times)

(assuming you are talkng about humans, not chatterbots or something )

Yes, but i apply occams razor here.
If i have to choose between a mathematically coherent universe with autonomous entities called humans and seing everything as an elaborate set-up then the coherent universe option wins without question.

The universe would just be very very silly if i was the only one with a conciousness and the rest pretended they did.
On a similar note, the chance that we ALL are a simulation of sorts is much much greater
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis
This is the only path i'm willing to think along when it comes to considernig conciousness as not generated by our brain.

Why are you assigning human stuff to the concept of the universe?
Why would you assume the universe is capable of planning?
What do you mean by the universe 'knowing' i'm going to be born?
In what way have you ever seen the universe 'knowing' anything, more less what parents i'm going to have?

Let me ask you this.
Does a rock know it's shape?
Or is it simply the shape?

The universe as we know it is at least a four dimentional object, propably more.
What we normally see around us is called spacetime.
It means that all of time is already embedded in this spacetime object.
It doesn't know anything, it simply is.
It is us that are limited by thermodynamical laws and under influence of entropic pressure.
We cannot see spacetime as a whole, we have to travel along the time axis and let that dimention unfold.
We just travel from one side of the rock to the other at the speed of time.

I just wrote a pretty long explanation on how conciousness happens in humans (and mostly in mammals etc) but the forum burped on me and i lost it.
I don't feel like rewriting it now.

I can only say that what you propose is more like fantasy. There is no factual evidence for it.
There is, on the other hand lots and lots of factual evidence that conciousncess if funcionally created by the brain.
Parts of your conciousness can break down (illness, accidents) and it so happens that those broken parts seem to be doing exactly the function that has been broken.
Just look that stuff up yourself.

I mean, why would altzheimer have an effect on conciousness? It only breaks down the brain so according to you the conciousness should not be affected.
But with this dissease things like awareness and personality and memory break down. In fact, everything you could ever call a concious person slowly breaks down. So all these properties must be created by the brain.
There is no singular spiritual entity like a soul outside of the brain.

Unfortunately for this idea we have understood for quite some time now (at least a century or so) that the brain IS the generator of consciousness and can be manipulated as such.
On the other hnd there is not a single shred of evidence that there is something like a consciousness outside of the brain.

None of the people claiming all these bullshit fantasies have the guts to accept what we actually know about our existance. Usually they are so far behind the train that you can use college-level information to disprove it.

Its a pitty to see people trying to rationalize their feelings by distorting their perception of reality, especially when so much actual knwoledge from people that actually tested reality is available. Its called science and it doesnt run on fantasy.

Remember kids, extraordinary claims require extraordinaryu evidence.
But sofar there has been no evidence at all for all these fantastic claims.
Go figure.

I don't think hell is a singular place either. You can create hell on Earth or some other place if you wish, or you can create Heaven within yourself regardless of where you are physically. Everything is just an experience.

As I understand it you are always a singular consciousness, what can change though is your level of awareness about other consciousnesses when you loose your physical receiver which you are currently locked into. It doesn't mean you immediately become aware of everything in the Universe. Knowledge on all levels needs to be earned. As above, so below.

So ask yourself, how did you come into this picture of completely unintentional, neutral and indifferent Universe?
Think of the point in time 10 years before your birth. Are "you" already in the plans of the Universe? Does it know that you are going to be born? Does it know what parents you are going to have? Does it care?

When thinking about consciousness, mobodick, you should first and foremost think about yourself, because that's the only evidence of consciousness that you have. There is no objective proof that other "beings" or "objects" or anything that you come across has consciousness. They might all be very good at pretending to be conscious, but you will never know for sure if they really are conscious.

If hell is other people being forced back into a group consciousness after death would be akin to going to hell because you would no longer be a singular being

Why would you think there is intention in play?
I have seen not the slightest bit of intention comming from the universe.
Intention is a human notion.

Why would you think there is intention in play?
I have seen not the slightest bit of intention comming from the universe.
Intention is a human notion.

Unless mortality is never intended.

It's worse than boilerplate code in programming -- such a design by some higher being seems unlikely.

True.


True.

Everything you say is absolutely true. However, these new agers argue that our consciousness is simply energy flowing into our brain which supposedly acts like a radio tuner. They argue that a damaged brain is simply a damaged receiver and that full transmission isn't coming through. However, again, no real evidence.  

There is no 'single' process.
The brain has many processes.
It is a fantasy that there must be a single point where consciousness is created.
Consciousness is the result of the interactions of billions of neurons.

Any outside information passes through many (and often parallel) neural paths to form your experience.
You can disable parts of the brain and see that certain forms of processing information are disabled.
So, for instance, the interaction with memory can be blocked at several levels of operation.
But you can also selectively disable consciousness.

Citation needed. Do we know the exact processes that make conciousness? Also, string theory.

Unfortunately for this idea we have understood for quite some time now (at least a century or so) that the brain IS the generator of consciousness and can be manipulated as such.

It also goes well with the idea of primacy of consciousness, where body in general and the brain in particular are viewed as receivers of consciousness as opposed to a common belief of them being the generators of it.

The Law of One

The One Infinite Creator

The Law of One states that there is only one, and that one is the Infinite Creator (4.20), which Ra also calls “Infinite Intelligence” and “Intelligent Infinity.” It is impossible to describe the “one undifferentiated intelligent infinity, unpolarized, full and whole,” but It can be activated or potentiated (28.1). Each portion of the creation contains, paradoxically, the whole (13.13).

Illusion

Since all is one, all manifestation, or appearance of many-ness, is an illusion (1.6, 106.23). According to Ra, it is an illusion carefully engineered in order to give the Creator the opportunity to know Itself (27.17).

Distortion

In Ra’s terms, “distortion” is anything that moves away from undistorted unity. This can be either what we would consider “good” (distortion toward love) or “bad” (distortion towards ill health). There are three fundamental distortions of Infinite Intelligence:

The First Distortion

The first distortion is free will, or finity, or the limit of the viewpoint (13.12, 15.21, 99.5). The created universe that we experience is the Creator’s exploration of Itself through the first distortion, which Ra also calls the Law of Confusion (27.10).

The Second Distortion

The second distortion is Love, or the Logos, or the Creative Principle (15.21). It is “the focus, the choice of attack, the type of energy of an extremely, shall we say, high order which causes intelligent energy to be formed from the potential of intelligent infinity in just such and such a way.” (27.12) A Logos can create a single star system or it can create a galaxy with billions of star systems (28.7). Each galaxy has its own system of natural laws (13.13) and, I believe, its own “cosmic mind” (91.2). Ra says that some of its members have wandered to the creations of other Logoi, and that “[t]he experience has been one which staggers the intellectual and intuitive capacities.” (90.17) In the case of galactic systems, the first physical manifestation of a Logos is a cluster of central systems (82..

The Third Distortion

The third distortion is light (15.21). It is the first manifestation visible to the eye (78.9). Light is intelligent, full of energy, and the building block of what we call matter (13.9). Light’s characteristics include “the infinite whole paradoxically described by the straight line.” Ra says that “[t]his paradox is responsible for the shape of the various physical illusion entities you call solar systems, galaxies, and planets, all revolving and tending towards the lenticular.” (13.9). Light energy has an upward spiraling characteristic which impels evolution. (13.17).

Sub-Logoi

Our galaxy was created by a single Logos (28.9) and our sun is a sub-Logos of that Logos (29.1) A sub-Logos individualizes or differentiates the natural laws set up by its Logos (13.13, 29.2). It also refines the cosmic mind into its specific archetypical mind, informed by the experience of earlier sub-Logoi (81.33, 91.3).

Sub-Sub-Logoi

Humans are an example of sub-sub-Logoi (29.7).

Densities

The creation has seven levels, or densities; the eighth density forming the first density of the next octave of experience, just as the eighth note of a musical scale begins a new octave (16.51, 28.15). Between seventh and eight densities the creation re-merges in a period of timeless, formless unity with the Creator (28.16). It is Ra’s understanding that “the ways of the octave are without time; that is, there are seven densities in each creation infinitely.” They point out, though, that the limits of their knowledge are narrow (78.15).

First density is the density of awareness, in which the planet moves out of the timeless state into physical manifestation. Its elements are earth, air, water, and fire (13.16). On earth, after matter had coalesced and space/time had begun to “unroll its scroll of livingness” (29.11), first density took about two billion years (76.13)

Second density is the density of growth, in which what we call biological life emerges and evolves into greater and greater complexity (9.13). Second density on earth took about 4.6 billion years (76.13).
Third density is the density of self-awareness and the first density of consciousness of the spirit (13.21). It is the “axis upon which the creation turns” because in it entities choose the way (either service to others or service to self) in which they will further their evolution toward the Creator (76.16). Third density is much shorter than the other densities, taking only 75,000 years (6.15).

Fourth density is the density of love or understanding. Those who have successfully chosen a path come together with others of like mind in what Ra calls a “social memory complex” in order to pursue that path, either loving self or loving others (20.36, 48.6). Fourth density lasts approximately 30 million years; fourth-density lifespans are approximately 90 thousand years (43.13, 43.11).

Fifth density is the density of light or wisdom (25.11). Lessons are often learned individually rather than as a social memory complex (43.14). Fifth-density entities are beautiful, by our standards, because they can consciously shape their physical forms (62.21, 90.5)

Sixth density is the density of unity, in which love and wisdom are blended together (33.20). The two paths reunite as those on the service-to-self path, realizing that they cannot successfully master the lessons of unity without opening their hearts to others, switch their polarity to positive (78.25). Ra is sixth-density; their sixth-density cycle is 75 million years (14.19, 14.21).

Seventh density is the gateway density, in which we once again become one with all (16.22). It is “a density of completion and the turning towards timelessness or foreverness.” (41.16)

Eighth density is also the beginning of the first density of the next Creation (28.15). It is “both omega and alpha, the spiritual mass of the infinite universes becoming one central sun or Creator once again. Then is born a new universe, a new infinity, a new Logos which incorporates all that the Creator has experienced of Itself.” (52.12)