Topic: The legitimate Venezuelan government is black - is that the problem? (Read 259 times)

ah nice, intelligent statement from black person, or at least someone who uses a black persons avatar.

You made a mistake using racism as an argument. It's guaranteed to end in an unproductive, confrontational thread.

And of course, you're now being labelled racist. These sorts of arguments are very predictable like that, you have yourself to blame in not doing so

This is a load of garbage. Venezuela is racial mixed, poor and rich come in all colors and people don't segregate themselves by skin.
80% want Maduro out, this is a fact, but you can't see it because you don't live here, then proceed to repeat Maduro's propaganda verbatim.

Under socialism the number of poor increased to something like 90% so even talking about a wealth division reveals deep ignorance. The few "rich" that remain are tied to Maduro's regime, and a few rich families either collaborating with them, or surviving with foreign income because they expanded abroad etc.

"Washington" is not sending "Americans to die" (also see UCAVs), Venezuela is in economic ruins and there is no chance for any organized resistance. Over 700 military and police defected and have gone to Guaido's side. If America does nothing Maduro falls anyway, but 60+ countries are doing the logical steps, which is not recognize the usurper, and accept Guaidó's petition for humanitarian aid.

All your "reports" are propaganda garbage from the usurper regime. No more than 2 million casted votes on the rigged (and illegal) elections, yet they declared 8million voted for Maduro. In 2013 Maduro "won" with 200000 votes, back when the economy was much better (bad, but nothing compared to the current hell). 2018 with the economy ruined (by his own ineptitude or malice) and yet he "wins" by 8 million votes (against "nobody", because they declared "illegal" all the main opposition parties).

Furthermore, when people truly vote, all the election sites are full of people from morning to the afternoon, such as when Chávez was alive. Yet that day they were empty most of the day, exactly like the usurper "Constituent Assembly" that declared itself above law and constitution.

Tried to use the national assets for the poor? More like tried to use the national assets for themselves... And you want to aid in their money laundering abroad at the expense of the Venezuelan people. Of course what do you care, you are not the one living with 10 USD a month.

What you call "unelected" was actually elected in 2015, when the opposition won the National Assembly by landslide. The constitution mandates the president of this National Assembly to become President Interim when there is no President or Vice-president, which is the case at this point.

Maduro elected himself, he chose his vice-president, his close cronies put the fake judges (politicians and criminals) in the supreme court after they lost the assembly. Almost everything you say is the exact opposite to reality. This lack of institutions are a result of Chávez, the country barely worked because Chávez ruled like military people rule, but Maduro is not military and is more or less the leader of a gang of criminals, and they know if they fall they will all go to prison, either within Venezuela or abroad.

You seem to not care about their crimes against humanity. "America puppet" is the only thing you manage to write, never stopping to think the socialists are the real cause of the problem, and the true will of the Venezuelan people is to get rid of them (by ANY means) to return to a free market economy and be able to work and eat like it used to be. The people received him yesterday like a hero, despite threats by the usurper to imprison him. It appears that the heavy backing of the international community is doing wonders.

Dissolve the union? be my guest, last time someone tried it went so well (NOT). As if socialists in America had such power... Thankfully they don't, and learning from a tragedy like ours (and the fall of the whole socialist eastern bloc in the 20th century); they never will.

All the people need to do is study a bit of history and economy, and no socialist will manipulate them with their lies ever again.

You eat paint chips as a kid old man? Given I would be glad to discuss the abundant and numerous crimes committed in the name of the USA via parts of the government, it seems to me this is at the end of the day going to result in Venezuela being a vassal state of either the USA or China, even if temporarily. The USA will not tolerate the risk of allowing China to gain a strategic military foothold within South America, and I am not so sure they should. The US government is not monolithic. I for one am very tired of the interventionism, but the state of the world is getting increasingly desperate, and the choice between the mostly corrupt US government, and the totally corrupt Communist Chinese is clear to me.

This is a tit-for-tat action against the USA for its actions regarding North Korea, and the enforcing of the free navigation of waters with the South and East China Seas, as well as an attempt to create a strategic land base in The Americas in preparation for future conflict with the USA.

As you stated before in your title

"The legitimate Venezuelan government is black - is that the problem" Which is referencing the fact that Western nations (particularly Trumps administration) have an issue with a black government and want to replace him. That's what YOUR saying Jet Cash, and that is an obviously racist statement. You're not even trying to hide it anymore.

The election wasn't well run, and the only people stating that are the people that are on the Maduro team - everyone else is saying that they were OBVIOUSLY illegitimate and a sham. You're simply beleiving an illegitimate government just because that's what supports your narrative.

I'm not going to comment on the US corruption, as I don't know why you feel the need to throw in other random points as a way to recover from your losing argument.

those that get rich are usually those that can work with humans as labourers or if increasingly inreliable, machines.

those that work wont get rich, as they dont build things that drive their wealth

No, the only ones who have always been rich are those who have governed since Chavez, and all are thieves, in the UN they know it, and the usurpers are very worried because the money of all Venezuelans was PROTECTED in (US UK) of the usurping thieves, the legitimate president is Juan Guaidó.

The usurper, when the humanitarian aid of many countries that brought food and medicines burned them in front of people who are dying of hunger and in front of many sick people, in fact, in front of all ... The source of their information surely seems to be VTV, which is a government of the Canal (of very low quality) where they praise the dictators and communists. In fact, Maduro, Diosdado Cabello and Padrino López (which gives very funny demonstrations of defending the homeland with its decadent soldiers) said that he was going to imprison Guaidó because he was visiting several countries, and look, what happened? Nothing, they can not imprison the legitimate president of Venezuela.

saying the legitimate venezuelan government is black is actually highly racist.

something like that comes usually only out of the minds of idiots

what skincolor does bitcoin have?

black green orange?

it doesnt matter.

I'm reading reports of the economic split in Venezuela. It seems that the rich are supporting an unelected Washington puppet, and the bulk of the population are behind the elected president Maduro, who has tried to use the national assets of oil and gold to help the poorer people in the country. If Washington does send Americans into Venezuela to die, then it could be the final straw that leads to the dissolution of the Union. I'm starting to see calls for the break up of the US appearing once again.

The race has nothing to do. That if you are white or black, is something that does not matter, what you should know is that the government that exercises a Usurper has a country completely wrong, their elections were not legitimate, they called for elections where they had no power to call, He did it was a Constituent Assembly that has no legal basis, they want to go over the legality of a legitimately constituted National Assembly. From then on, the problems are of a political, economic and humanitarian nature. There is no reason to have another issue in Venezuela if it is not to fix these problems first.

Well all I have to go on is the multitude of conflicting reports. I do read that the elections in Venezuela were subject to international scrutiny, and all the reports seem to indicate that they were legitimate and well run. That rather avoids the point that it is no business of Wshington to interfere in them anyway, and certainly not to try to foist a George Washington school of regime change graduate on the country.

I'm interested to see your comment about my being racist, and this seems to be the cry of people who are losing arguments. My comment was a simple statement of reported fact - there are more "people of colour" in Maduro's government, than there are in the pseudo-government of the Trojan Horse jockey. btw, I believe that the PC phrase "people of colour" is more racist than referring to people as black, or dark skinned.

The world perception seems to be shifting over to the belief that the 3rd world country of America has a worse, and more corrupt, political system under the rule of Washington than the current situation in Venezuela. I've just watched a thought provoking video -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhYxkFakE98
I can't comment on it, as I need to do a bit more research and reading, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was a move to break up the Union to free Americans from slavery under Washington. It ties in with the general populist movement that is growing around the world.

No. The only people that REALLY see race, are the racist. When I'm electing someone, I look at their promises on policy, I don't even care what the color of the skin is or their gender. You are the racist here JetCash.

You don't understand anything about what is going on in Venezuela, nor what the government is. In 2017, Maduro voiced his own personal disproval for the National Assembly of Venezuela (which is President Guaido, is from) as they had shown oppositions to his government -- Maduro has convened a new election for ANOTHER legislative body which is called the "Constituent Assembly" Opposition leaders had called this a sham, and had said that Maduro is attempting to form a dictatorship.

Opposition leaders boycotted this election in protest of Maduro, as he doesn't have the authority to simply dissolve a branch of governement (which is like pratically removing a check on your power, further allowing you to run the country without the peoples input) Without opposition in the election, this new legislative body has 503 members that are all apart of Maduros party.

Maduro even agreed that this government is a sham when he stated
The election was further shown to be illegitimate when you look at polls of people who supported the measure to dissolve the current legislative body and replace them with a new one (one which would support Maduro) as it shows that only 20 percent supported the move.

If you need more evidence, though I don't think you will even care Jet Cash, the company who provided the voting machines (a Venezuelan-owned company nonetheless) stated that results were tampered with to give Maduro more of a factory. Independent analysis showed that real voter turnout to this election were approximately 11-20 percent, while Maduros government stated that 40 percent of people voted.

This election was not only an illegitimate one to begin with, Maduro further went and tampered with the vote by a couple million to ensure that he wouldn't lose in his sham election.

If you actually believe that Maduro is a legitimate President, you have a problem rationalizing evidence.

a country doesnt get rich if someone  "helps" poor people, helping poor people only causes a "hey thank you man" no long term and constructive effect will be achieved.

a country gets rich, if the poor people are being incorporated and organised into a socio economic productive system/machine, and stay in it.

jes they install a pro european government, or a pro middle eastern government or pro african government, doesnt really matter. the venezuelans have to work and build their country and show reliability to foreigners.

many europeans might completely not be able to use the joblessness and poor to make venezuela rich and bitcoin wont help either.

whats the point of overthrowing maduro, if many european enterpreneuers cant work with the central banks in europe or the usa.

even trump is crushing them, for good reasons.

regards

America may be their best bet because if a regime change occur Unite States will quickly cease the economics sanctions and work with the actual position to made a economic improve of the country and present to the world how they save Venezuela. Or maybe happen like in Libya and after the fall of Maduro none in the world will be interest again in Venezuela whatever will be the situation.     

I don’t think colour is the issue here because if it were, the government would have been toppled long ago or they would have been assassinated by the rich whites people you’re referring to. While I don’t like the opposition leader but considering the fact their economy has crashed, people are dying America may be their best bet for now. Also if they were using the wealth for their population why would their own people be revolting against them, in your question only your answer is there.

No

Saying that sort of thing with no hope of proving it is just going to make the arguments worse, Jet Cash. You wouldn't want to inflame the arguments about Venezuela further, would you?

Venezuela has a population that is non-white, and a legitimately elected government to match. However there are a few rich, white Venezuelans, and they may want to hang on to their wealth and control. The pseudo-government of the Trump elected Trojan horse jockey is predominantly white pro-European. Of course oil and gold are big issues in the politics, but is the main problem the fact that a black government wants to use the wealth of its country to help poor black people?

This question is asked by an Englishman who has never been to Venezuela, but is concerned by the current globalist eugenics programme. Venezuela may be just another project alongside the increase in SID as a result of vaccination.