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July 10, 2020, 08:37:06 AM
#32
This is something a lot of people already knows, but they are being reluctant of taking any actions about it. 2008 was already enough to tell people that such a thing exists, and it can as well repeat itself.
Because we have too much confident with our government and we are not seeing the potential negative outcome in the future.

So, it’s up to them to do what they are supposed to do to keep themselves in a good position when it arrives. Since you know that, you should be focusing more on how you can be protecting your wealth, so that you wouldn’t be in a bad condition. Try to invest more in good assets that will help you grow your wealth, and Bitcoin is one of them for sure. There’s no way you will be able to tell the whole world about it. Do the little you can, and that’s it.
The thing is, it's the government who are controlling us, though their job is to be transparent but they won't show that to us, instead, they'll brainwash us to convince that the economy is still doing better and it would not collapse anytime, government creates law, so we believe in them but they can't keep this secret forever as time will come it will explode and everyone of us will have to pay the price. Good for those who have an alternative of investment, yes, bitcoin is quite good, it has proven in the current situation, so hopefully more people will realize that and prepare for this possible doom.
sometimes I think, in a situation like this the government takes an action just to look for its own benefits that are not visible to the public. besides the risk of fraud, other risks that can occur as a result of the government are not careful in widening the budget deficit, indefinitely. pay attention to the principle of periodicity and debt financing in large amounts. in turn has the potential to increase the risk of the fiscal cycle and could disrupt the sovereignty of the country, I worry if that happens ....?
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July 10, 2020, 07:37:09 AM
#31
This is something a lot of people already knows, but they are being reluctant of taking any actions about it. 2008 was already enough to tell people that such a thing exists, and it can as well repeat itself.
What do you expect, humans will do after the 2008 subprime mortgage case? Humans often do not have many choices, even the government which should protect the interests of the people is not supporting the people but is a protector of the system. The printing system of money without gold collateral causes a currency as strong as the dollar even if it is weak, besides that the amount of money printed is not balanced with the number of available projects. So that it causes bubbles and economic illusions.

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So, it’s up to them to do what they are supposed to do to keep themselves in a good position when it arrives. Since you know that, you should be focusing more on how you can be protecting your wealth, so that you wouldn’t be in a bad condition. Try to invest more in good assets that will help you grow your wealth, and Bitcoin is one of them for sure. There’s no way you will be able to tell the whole world about it. Do the little you can, and that’s it.
Many people still think that subprime mortgages are something that cannot be avoided and cannot be predicted. Whereas subprime mortgages are karma from human moral fragility in managing finances. Start
very loose lending by financial institutions such as banks, investment companies, insurance by offering capital provision in the form of housing loans whose collateral is the property itself (prime-mortgage). This type of credit is usually only given to customers who are able to repay and repay their loans because they have adequate income, have permanent jobs, have positions, and have a good track record in credit payments. But due to the greed of brokers and marketing to get bonuses or fees, then came financial innovations by creating sub-prime-mortgage loans that were given to those who did not have the capacity to pay, for example, laborers, temporary workers, and people who live from mediocre. This credit is known as "NINJA LOAN" or No Income, No Job, and No Asset with a very large risk of default.

The irony is that financial executives are willing to bet on this high risk by trading the sub-prime-mortgage debt on the stock market. The debt securities are secured so that risk can be transferred to other parties such as insurance companies, which in reality the guarantor itself does not have sufficient capital reserves, especially in the form of assets to guarantee it. Like gambling, many parties try to profit from the losses of others by creating financial products such as Credit Default Swaps (CDS). That is an economic activity that is not creating additional wealth, but rather the transfer of wealth from the losers to the winners in the race for the probability of redemption of debt with interest. Brokers on the stock exchange buy shares/debt securities at certain prices hoping for profits from uncertain debt interest in the future. Because the risk of default has been transferred, there is aggression in lending easily so that the volume of debt exceeds the amount or value of assets from the initial debt securities.

Bank interest, bank, and speculative actions are the root of the economic problem.
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June 26, 2020, 05:54:13 PM
#30
This is something a lot of people already knows, but they are being reluctant of taking any actions about it. 2008 was already enough to tell people that such a thing exists, and it can as well repeat itself.
Because we have too much confident with our government and we are not seeing the potential negative outcome in the future.

So, it’s up to them to do what they are supposed to do to keep themselves in a good position when it arrives. Since you know that, you should be focusing more on how you can be protecting your wealth, so that you wouldn’t be in a bad condition. Try to invest more in good assets that will help you grow your wealth, and Bitcoin is one of them for sure. There’s no way you will be able to tell the whole world about it. Do the little you can, and that’s it.
The thing is, it's the government who are controlling us, though their job is to be transparent but they won't show that to us, instead, they'll brainwash us to convince that the economy is still doing better and it would not collapse anytime, government creates law, so we believe in them but they can't keep this secret forever as time will come it will explode and everyone of us will have to pay the price. Good for those who have an alternative of investment, yes, bitcoin is quite good, it has proven in the current situation, so hopefully more people will realize that and prepare for this possible doom.
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June 26, 2020, 01:15:14 PM
#28
This is something a lot of people already knows, but they are being reluctant of taking any actions about it. 2008 was already enough to tell people that such a thing exists, and it can as well repeat itself.

So, it’s up to them to do what they are supposed to do to keep themselves in a good position when it arrives. Since you know that, you should be focusing more on how you can be protecting your wealth, so that you wouldn’t be in a bad condition. Try to invest more in good assets that will help you grow your wealth, and Bitcoin is one of them for sure. There’s no way you will be able to tell the whole world about it. Do the little you can, and that’s it.
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June 18, 2020, 01:03:36 PM
#27
We have technology for everything. And research is constant. In 10 years time we will know so much more that we know right now. Probably double or triple. I am totally not worried with that. All that will be needed is society will to do it.  And that will happen when some huge ecological catastrophes will happen in Europe or North america.
We have advanced technology but not for everything, the best example is covid 19, if human is capable of finding cure for everything then why the whole world is afraid of that tiny virus and locked down to save themselves from infection.But there is already a technology for this global warming which is move to another planet but that is only for billionaires not for everyone.
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June 17, 2020, 04:09:47 AM
#26
I do think the reason we are in a pinch right now is : We are using the Traditional methods without any upgradation to deal with current issues.

What we need to do is to upgrade the way the things are handled , Banking system is far too centralized and far too corrupted to not collapse in an impending disaster.

Corona Virus should be eye opener for them, where they do need to understand that they have to add , the updates , like Blockchain. Integrate them with the current system. Find new alternatives.
This depends on the people who have the money whether they will hold cash and entrust it to be deposited in a bank account or the owner of the money simultaneously and massively save their cash in a safety deposit box or kept at home or in other forms (gold or bitcoin)

Coronavirus provides an opportunity for individuals to test the resilience of banks in the face of crisis. And we as individuals are given the opportunity to save our money before the bank actually collapses due to fractional reserve.


People should try as much as they can to avoid debts. This is one thing I never want to get myself, if you’re stuck on debts, trust me, it will be difficult for you to achieve something. With the debts hanged on your neck, you will just keep on stumbling, especially at this time that things keeps getting difficult. We should teach our children to see debt as an enemy, because if they should grow up to see banks as their savior, they will end up in something else.

That’s why I just make sure that I avoid it. When I get money I’m always calculative and plan on how to spend and invest them. I don’t just keep my money in banks, I try as much as possible to invest them in several places as possible.
People should try as much as they can to avoid debts. This is one thing I never want to get myself, if you're stuck on debts, trust me, it will be difficult for you to achieve something. With the debts hanged on your neck, you will just keep on stumbling, especially at this time that things keep getting difficult. We should teach our children to see debt as an enemy because if they should grow up to see banks as their savior, they will end up in something else.

Debt is indeed something to be avoided, especially debt related to banks that have an interest. But what needs to be taught to children is not about the prohibition of debt because debt can be used as an instrument of assistance in human relations so that one person can help others in urgent conditions.

What we must teach our children is character education in order to avoid conditions that require a person to be in debt. As life is simple and not too ambitious so that it can eliminate the thought of debt as a solution to financial problems.
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June 16, 2020, 06:53:34 PM
#25
People should try as much as they can to avoid debts.
Debt is okay as long as it is used for productive activities/production, and not for consumption.
The problem nowadays, people are using debt for consumption, thus without higher income, their financial position will become weaker.

In some literature, people who are (strictly) avoid debt is considered financially illiterate LoL.
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June 16, 2020, 03:01:47 AM
#24
I think if we got through 2008 alive and intact we can get through this current crisis.  It's not even a crisis yet, IMO.

This sentiment brings two things to mind for me.

First, the 2007-2008 crisis took a year to unfold. We're only ~3 months in. It can take months and months for defaults to pile up into larger solvency and liquidity problems. We may not even be at the "Bear Stearns bailout" point in the crisis yet.

Second, why do you think 2008 is the worst that can happen? How about 1931? Or something we've never seen before?

I'm not saying the worst outcomes are guaranteed by any means, I'm just trying to keep an open mind about how things could unfold. Structurally, things look a lot scarier to me than 2008, especially with the possibility of further lockdowns hanging over us like a dark cloud. Everyone seems to be assuming the worst is behind us and the trajectory is unquestionably up from here and to be honest, that scares the shit out of me.
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June 16, 2020, 02:52:33 AM
#23
Not only Looming Bank, but when the pandemic is still under control, it is likely that more banks will die. because when the disease broke out for the second time, businesses were once again severely hurt and that would make them unable to pay their debts, after which the bank could not recover the money and As a result, many banks will collapse. I am really worried about the current US situation, things are very chaotic now. there is a high probability that the US will have an economic crisis this year.

It is inevitable to see a bank collapse or a huge company going bankrupt during 2021 as a result of coronavirus.
If something like that come from the US then we are going to live another huge economic crisis that will affect our lives the same as it happened in 2009. Hopefully, we are not going to see that as many families will not endure this crisis.
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June 15, 2020, 04:01:07 PM
#22
People should try as much as they can to avoid debts. This is one thing I never want to get myself, if you’re stuck on debts, trust me, it will be difficult for you to achieve something. With the debts hanged on your neck, you will just keep on stumbling, especially at this time that things keeps getting difficult. We should teach our children to see debt as an enemy, because if they should grow up to see banks as their savior, they will end up in something else.

That’s why I just make sure that I avoid it. When I get money I’m always calculative and plan on how to spend and invest them. I don’t just keep my money in banks, I try as much as possible to invest them in several places as possible.
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June 15, 2020, 02:52:47 AM
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Not only Looming Bank, but when the pandemic is still under control, it is likely that more banks will die. because when the disease broke out for the second time, businesses were once again severely hurt and that would make them unable to pay their debts, after which the bank could not recover the money and As a result, many banks will collapse. I am really worried about the current US situation, things are very chaotic now. there is a high probability that the US will have an economic crisis this year.
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June 15, 2020, 02:39:50 AM
#20
This has been predicted on a near weekly basis since the 1970s. Still waiting.
It's "near" and "looming" since 1970 then? Grin

Is it (bank collapse) going to happen? Maybe, but when it happens, most people won't be able to react. So better be prepared for any crisis:
- Diversify your assets;
- Store enough cash in your drawer;
- Use leverage with a proper risk analysis.
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June 15, 2020, 02:30:04 AM
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June 14, 2020, 05:22:49 PM
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Bank collapse? We are in a declining global warming, I doubt we will see until banks collapse, we will have sea levels rising to a level where humanity can't survive in most of the land and rest of the land will be dry for any agriculture. However, let's say banks will collapse, is it really that bad? I know for a while everyone's money will be gone and humanity will be at the blink of starvation and many people will die etc etc which is horrible.


We have technology to fight global warming and its effects, so as we have technology to fight bank collapse and hyperinflation of all mayor fiat currencies.  It will not be end of the world, but it will be a big change and struggle for most. Those that will realise it faster and start adapting faster will end up less harmed then the rest.
The real effect of global warming is not the sea level increase but season changes, we need food to survive no matter what and if there is no rain then we can't grow anything which will result into serious drought.Well banking collapse has pros and cons because most of the people run business with loan money so if there is no bank then only people who have assets can do business.The advantage will be we will have decentralized currencies so no inflation, no buying powerloss.

We have technology for everything. And research is constant. In 10 years time we will know so much more that we know right now. Probably double or triple. I am totally not worried with that. All that will be needed is society will to do it.  And that will happen when some huge ecological catastrophes will happen in Europe or North america.
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June 14, 2020, 03:30:15 PM
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Bank collapse? We are in a declining global warming, I doubt we will see until banks collapse, we will have sea levels rising to a level where humanity can't survive in most of the land and rest of the land will be dry for any agriculture. However, let's say banks will collapse, is it really that bad? I know for a while everyone's money will be gone and humanity will be at the blink of starvation and many people will die etc etc which is horrible.


We have technology to fight global warming and its effects, so as we have technology to fight bank collapse and hyperinflation of all mayor fiat currencies.  It will not be end of the world, but it will be a big change and struggle for most. Those that will realise it faster and start adapting faster will end up less harmed then the rest.
The real effect of global warming is not the sea level increase but season changes, we need food to survive no matter what and if there is no rain then we can't grow anything which will result into serious drought.Well banking collapse has pros and cons because most of the people run business with loan money so if there is no bank then only people who have assets can do business.The advantage will be we will have decentralized currencies so no inflation, no buying powerloss.
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June 14, 2020, 03:09:42 PM
#16
This has been predicted on a near weekly basis since the 1970s. Still waiting.

It reminds me of a website I used to visit in 2010 ish or before called housepricecrash. Most posters on there had sold their house and were waiting to 'buy back in'. Every time someone popped up and said 'should I buy my central London house from the local authority for £80,000?' they'd all answer 'forget it, son. The ponzi is ending.'

Of course said house is now worth £1 million.

Life is a big lesson lol.
Procrastination is of a truth the killer of dream, ambition, invention and investment.
Again delay is the cause of fear.
What makes rich to get richer is decision and what makes some poor to get into the cadre of richness too is the ability to take risk.
Taking risk itself is one factor peculiar to rich people

In all, I don't think bank is collapsing. Bank is an institution worldwide (by worldwide I mean bank is present in every country) and I'm yet to hear of an institution or agency present in different countries collapse. For example, police force, Army, immigration etc.
Bank has the ability to accommodate digital or cryptocurrency.
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June 14, 2020, 02:41:22 PM
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Bank collapse? We are in a declining global warming, I doubt we will see until banks collapse, we will have sea levels rising to a level where humanity can't survive in most of the land and rest of the land will be dry for any agriculture. However, let's say banks will collapse, is it really that bad? I know for a while everyone's money will be gone and humanity will be at the blink of starvation and many people will die etc etc which is horrible.


We have technology to fight global warming and its effects, so as we have technology to fight bank collapse and hyperinflation of all mayor fiat currencies.  It will not be end of the world, but it will be a big change and struggle for most. Those that will realise it faster and start adapting faster will end up less harmed then the rest.
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June 14, 2020, 11:30:54 AM
#14
The trouble is less than 0.01% of the population read articles like this one and it will be impossible to muster majority support for proposed measures to fix these issues.
That's not the trouble--even if every citizen read this and other articles like it, nothing would change unless our elected officials stop acting so goddamn recklessly with the money printing, spending, and a lot of other factors.  It isn't the populace that's kicking its own ass; it's the powers that be, and I'm afraid that voting for this one or that one makes very little difference--so we, the people, don't have a hell of a lot of control over this shit.

This has been predicted on a near weekly basis since the 1970s. Still waiting.
I'm sure it's been going on for much longer than that, and I think if we got through 2008 alive and intact we can get through this current crisis.  It's not even a crisis yet, IMO.
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June 14, 2020, 11:21:02 AM
#13
This has been predicted on a near weekly basis since the 1970s. Still waiting.

It reminds me of a website I used to visit in 2010 ish or before called housepricecrash. Most posters on there had sold their house and were waiting to 'buy back in'. Every time someone popped up and said 'should I buy my central London house from the local authority for £80,000?' they'd all answer 'forget it, son. The ponzi is ending.'

Of course said house is now worth £1 million.
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June 14, 2020, 05:42:57 AM
#12
Seen plenty of seemingly well-intended attempts or proposals of attempts to fix the banking system, usually from ECB or World Bank (not that they've not been culpable themselves for some of this mess). I actually thought the collapse of banks were imminent even in the 1990s, when I saw the number of banks in my country fall from over 100 to just a handful (mostly mergers or outright closure) but the system probably has a few good decades in it, especially when states continue to show a willingness to bail them out.

Be nice to be proven wrong though.
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#11
Okay, so junk corporate debt-backed CLOs are the new subprime mortgage-backed CDOs?

$880 billion is no joke, but what's to stop the Fed from taking all the toxic debt off banks' hands? They've already committed a few trillion USD at least and they've also said they will buy CLOs if necessary. In fact that's probably why banks are continuing to take on more exposure. They know the Fed will bail them out.

The ECB has similar plans in mind. There is talk of some "bad bank" scheme where the ECB would essentially "warehouse" portfolios of unpaid euro debt to prevent defaults among commercial banks. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ecb-badbank-exclus/exclusive-ecb-prepares-bad-bank-plan-for-wave-of-coronavirus-toxic-debt-idUSKBN23H0MV

Maybe the money printers can just keep printing. It seems to be working so far.....
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June 13, 2020, 01:44:14 PM
#10
Every year someone starts saying that the us banking system will get fucked up again and we will all die from the fact that the dollar will turn into a piece of paper....

Second! FTFY!

Yeah, only three things have died more times than BTC

1) The US dollar
2) The banks
3) Danny Trejo

Right now it's not anymore about economics, it's pure desperation from some that the things they hate continue to live on.
The $ is wrong, the banks are wrong, they must die because for some wannabe gods the system they envision is 101 dalmatians better than what we have now.

It's not about the crisis that we must avoid, it's about the crisis that we MUST have!
Banks must collapse, people have to go unemployed, a business must be bankrupt and destroyed because a new world must be born from the wasteland and it's going to be..better! Yeah right!

We need a new board, prophecies of doom, I think it would outrank even the bounties board.

Bank collapse? We are in a declining global warming, I doubt we will see until banks collapse, we will have sea levels rising to a level where humanity can't survive in most of the land and rest of the land will be dry for any agriculture.

I fail to see what banks and rise of sea levels have in common but we can and we will still produce enough food for a long long time.
Well past the point when the human population will actually start to decline.
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June 13, 2020, 01:27:29 PM
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Bank collapse? We are in a declining global warming, I doubt we will see until banks collapse, we will have sea levels rising to a level where humanity can't survive in most of the land and rest of the land will be dry for any agriculture. However, let's say banks will collapse, is it really that bad? I know for a while everyone's money will be gone and humanity will be at the blink of starvation and many people will die etc etc which is horrible.

However the humanity is not doing that well with the current system anyway, so if we somehow managed to get better would it really be that bad? I think you need to break some eggs to make an omelette and right now we have to take all the pain collapse will bring and get better on the other side with much better regulations.
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June 13, 2020, 01:16:21 PM
#8
The Looming Bank Collapse
The U.S. financial system could be on the cusp of calamity. This time, we might not be able to save it.

This would happen sooner or latter. Post covid-19 economic crisis will just makes it faster. Bank owners will stay without money. People having money in banks will stay without it. And money itself will lose value drastically.
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June 13, 2020, 09:07:15 AM
#7
US banks will be fine.The Federal Reserve System will do whatever it takes to save the banking system.
FED can print unlimited amounts of money(and yet,the value of the US dollar isn't collapsing,I wonder why) and provide unlimited financial support for the banks that are facing issues with liquidity and bad loans.
The global economy will start to recover after a working vaccine against the coronavirus has been created.
Until then,nothing is certain.
If you think that unlimited printing to try recovering banks when your country is already under a debt of dozens of thousands of billions of USD is something that'll lead to the banks being "fine" and the global recovery.. then you're unfortunately wrong - printing will only lead to harsher consequences in the end.

Banks have failed before. People have lost their money because of them every financial cycle, it's going to happen again. But compared to the previous decades of crises, this one will hit hard all of us. I wrote a thread back in Oct 2019 about the upcoming recession but now I'm expecting one worse than I imagined back then, unfortunately.
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June 13, 2020, 06:58:46 AM
#6
US banks will be fine.The Federal Reserve System will do whatever it takes to save the banking system.
FED can print unlimited amounts of money(and yet,the value of the US dollar isn't collapsing,I wonder why) and provide unlimited financial support for the banks that are facing issues with liquidity and bad loans.
The global economy will start to recover after a working vaccine against the coronavirus has been created.
Until then,nothing is certain.
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June 13, 2020, 06:27:28 AM
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Kids nowadays are taught already from school about banks and how amazing debts are instead of being taught not to become yet another bank's slave and how to live without debts at all. It's a fucked up system and we have to admit that. Hard to change a kid/teen's mind when these ideas have been sitting in their mind from a young age.

Agree, many people see the bank as a savior and some even teach that debt can be used as a motivational tool for the spirit of work. In fact, many government officials regard the provision of debt as a prestigious thing that a country's economy is trusted by other countries and world financial institutions. Good ratings from moody and S&P are considered medals and the prize is debt.

Along with the development of the Muslim population throughout the world is also followed by the development of Islamic banks, not only in countries where the majority Muslim population, but Islamic banks also
developing in countries with minority Muslims or even liberal countries. We all do not know whether the existence of this Islamic bank can bring changes to the world economy, but Islamic banking is seen as having two advantages over conventional banking. The first is the perception that Islamic banks are bound by higher moral standards. They will not take irresponsible risks or pay too much profit to their top bankers. The second is that income comes from identifiable assets, not unclear combinations of derivatives and securities. Because Islamic banks cannot make money through interest, they rely on bonds with tangible assets, such as real estate and equity, charging a rental fee rather than an interest system.
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June 12, 2020, 09:43:59 AM
#4
Every year someone starts saying that the us banking system will get fucked up again and we will all die from the fact that the dollar will turn into a piece of paper.... But wait. First , in addition to the dollar, there are other major currencies (the closest example is the Euro), so at this point the impact on the whole world will decrease.
Secondly, there is China that can do EVERYTHING and even more and all the production is there and all the labor force and much more. There not so much Large-scale global factories in America.
Third-fortunately, America is on a DIFFERENT CONTINENT and their problems are still most of their problems. In Europe, other concerns, other money, a different economy, and so on.
Conclusion-despite all of the above, America's problems are mostly still their problems. And the glory of God.
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Maybe for us ordinary people this is a plague and disaster, but for the group of bankers who control the banking industry throughout the world, the crisis is a way to accumulate more wealth and also make their wealth lasting.
Because we've been educated to have a job and spend money on crap you don't even really need while they've been taught how to act properly during an economical cycle. +75% of the people in the world probably don't even know how to properly organize their earnings in order to have the monthly necessities and savings too. In fact, a very significant number of people don't even have savings or investments at all and live on a day-by-day situation although they do have enough money to put some aside. But these Gucci clothes are too tempting of a trend not to purchase them, aren't they..

Kids nowadays are taught already from school about banks and how amazing debts are instead of being taught not to become yet another bank's slave and how to live without debts at all. It's a fucked up system and we have to admit that. Hard to change a kid/teen's mind when these ideas have been sitting in their mind from a young age.

Great depression should be a valuable lesson that greedy human nature can disrupt the economy.
It's only a lesson for a small percentage of the population and will stick with them for only 1-2 generations at most. Afterwards, the cycle repeats. As long as the young are taught the wrong stuff about economics, it's never going to become the norm.

Let's encourage banks to change from a margin oriented industry to a service-oriented industry. Minimize the use of facilities offered by banks, especially loans, because this is a source of greedy basic human fuel.
Well, good luck changing that. Banks love power and will always go for it under the false impression that "they're making our needs and goals easier to accomplish"..



Most of the people I know don't even care about the collapse of banks and see it in a more ironical way than I could've imagined - as if it was some movie or videogame, but when it turns to reality it'll hit them hard. The fact that people still trust their own governments & banks and play MSM's little games scares me because I know we're going to hit the wall & spill the economy everywhere sooner or later.

If I ask 10 people whether they trust a bank for holding their savings or not, at least 7 of them will say "yes". They don't even see the fact that the yearly inflation % overtakes the yearly percentage you get for holding your money in a bank and they surely don't believe a bank could ever collapse either. The wealthy are taught how to properly move their funds during a crisis in order to enlarge their portfolio while all the average Joe knows is that he should "spend less, save more" - or maybe not even that. Yeah, but when the fiat currency fails your plan goes to shit and guess who you'll have to go to ask for help and recovery.. the rich. The banks. The same system that taught you the wrong stuff about economy.
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June 12, 2020, 02:45:03 AM
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The media has predicted vague economic doom and gloom over the last 10+ years. Those undefined apocalyptic sounding predictions are now materializing into more specific content involving banks and less publicized hyperinflation scenarios. Unlike the 2008 bank crisis, we have advance warning and time to offset potential banking disasters. The trouble is less than 0.01% of the population read articles like this one and it will be impossible to muster majority support for proposed measures to fix these issues.

In my opinion, economic doom and gloom can be predicted because this system is made by design and is only a repetition by those who make the world economic system move. Maybe for us ordinary people this is a plague and disaster, but for the group of bankers who control the banking industry throughout the world, the crisis is a way to accumulate more wealth and also make their wealth lasting.

Great depression should be a valuable lesson that greedy human nature can disrupt the economy. Greedy producers, greedy consumers, and greedy bankers and the Government protecting oligarchs are quartet trouble makers. Manufacturers to raise income make offers that in fact do not see the real ability of consumers (luxury goods). Consumers for the sake of prestige and prestige in the community are looking for ways to own these luxury goods. The bank provides a way to credit. Credit makes human greed grow, speculation touches all sectors which also drives the stock market bubble because people buy something speculative by debt.

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Sheerly through circumstance, any future banking disaster will likely take 99.9% of the population by surprise. If consumers were forewarned they could inadvertently worsen bank sector liquidity by panic withdrawing funds from banks.
With the double shock economy in the demand and supply sectors and the final uncertainty of the pandemic. Investors are relatively attractive in investment and hold their cash until there is a certainty. Withdrawal of investment, there are no new investments, unemployment, production decreases, cash flow is disrupted, then savings will be used as the first buffer to survive and meet daily needs.

The Fractional Reserve System is also a speculative action taken by banks. On one hand, it guarantees that customers can take their funds whenever they need it. But they speculate customer funds with the consideration that it is impossible for customers to take all the funds simultaneously.

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How do we fix these types of issues. Where the majority would like to be informed and educated. Somehow circumstances being what they are, that never seems to happen.
Let's encourage banks to change from a margin oriented industry to a service-oriented industry. Minimize the use of facilities offered by banks, especially loans, because this is a source of greedy basic human fuel.

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June 11, 2020, 06:49:13 PM
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The U.S. financial system could be on the cusp of calamity. This time, we might not be able to save it.

After months of living with the coronavirus pandemic, American citizens are well aware of the toll it has taken on the economy: broken supply chains, record unemployment, failing small businesses. All of these factors are serious and could mire the United States in a deep, prolonged recession. But there’s another threat to the economy, too. It lurks on the balance sheets of the big banks, and it could be cataclysmic. Imagine if, in addition to all the uncertainty surrounding the pandemic, you woke up one morning to find that the financial sector had collapsed.

You may think that such a crisis is unlikely, with memories of the 2008 crash still so fresh. But banks learned few lessons from that calamity, and new laws intended to keep them from taking on too much risk have failed to do so. As a result, we could be on the precipice of another crash, one different from 2008 less in kind than in degree. This one could be worse.

The financial crisis of 2008 was about home mortgages. Hundreds of billions of dollars in loans to home buyers were repackaged into securities called collateralized debt obligations, known as CDOs. In theory, CDOs were intended to shift risk away from banks, which lend money to home buyers. In practice, the same banks that issued home loans also bet heavily on CDOs, often using complex techniques hidden from investors and regulators. When the housing market took a hit, these banks were doubly affected. In late 2007, banks began disclosing tens of billions of dollars of subprime-CDO losses. The next year, Lehman Brothers went under, taking the economy with it.

The federal government stepped in to rescue the other big banks and forestall a panic. The intervention worked—though its success did not seem assured at the time—and the system righted itself. Of course, many Americans suffered as a result of the crash, losing homes, jobs, and wealth. An already troubling gap between America’s haves and have-nots grew wider still. Yet by March 2009, the economy was on the upswing, and the longest bull market in history had begun.

To prevent the next crisis, Congress in 2010 passed the Dodd-Frank Act. Under the new rules, banks were supposed to borrow less, make fewer long-shot bets, and be more transparent about their holdings. The Federal Reserve began conducting “stress tests” to keep the banks in line. Congress also tried to reform the credit-rating agencies, which were widely blamed for enabling the meltdown by giving high marks to dubious CDOs, many of which were larded with subprime loans given to unqualified borrowers. Over the course of the crisis, more than 13,000 CDO investments that were rated AAA—the highest possible rating—defaulted.

The reforms were well intentioned, but, as we’ll see, they haven’t kept the banks from falling back into old, bad habits. After the housing crisis, subprime CDOs naturally fell out of favor. Demand shifted to a similar—and similarly risky—instrument, one that even has a similar name: the CLO, or collateralized loan obligation. A CLO walks and talks like a CDO, but in place of loans made to home buyers are loans made to businesses—specifically, troubled businesses. CLOs bundle together so-called leveraged loans, the subprime mortgages of the corporate world. These are loans made to companies that have maxed out their borrowing and can no longer sell bonds directly to investors or qualify for a traditional bank loan. There are more than $1 trillion worth of leveraged loans currently outstanding. The majority are held in CLOs.

I was part of the group that structured and sold CDOs and CLOs at Morgan Stanley in the 1990s. The two securities are remarkably alike. Like a CDO, a CLO has multiple layers, which are sold separately. The bottom layer is the riskiest, the top the safest. If just a few of the loans in a CLO default, the bottom layer will suffer a loss and the other layers will remain safe. If the defaults increase, the bottom layer will lose even more, and the pain will start to work its way up the layers. The top layer, however, remains protected: It loses money only after the lower layers have been wiped out.

Unless you work in finance, you probably haven’t heard of CLOs, but according to many estimates, the CLO market is bigger than the subprime-mortgage CDO market was in its heyday. The Bank for International Settlements, which helps central banks pursue financial stability, has estimated the overall size of the CDO market in 2007 at $640 billion; it estimated the overall size of the CLO market in 2018 at $750 billion. More than $130 billion worth of CLOs have been created since then, some even in recent months. Just as easy mortgages fueled economic growth in the 2000s, cheap corporate debt has done so in the past decade, and many companies have binged on it.

Despite their obvious resemblance to the villain of the last crash, CLOs have been praised by Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin for moving the risk of leveraged loans outside the banking system. Like former Fed Chair Alan Greenspan, who downplayed the risks posed by subprime mortgages, Powell and Mnuchin have downplayed any trouble CLOs could pose for banks, arguing that the risk is contained within the CLOs themselves.

These sanguine views are hard to square with reality. The Bank for International Settlements estimates that, across the globe, banks held at least $250 billion worth of CLOs at the end of 2018. Last July, one month after Powell declared in a press conference that “the risk isn’t in the banks,” two economists from the Federal Reserve reported that U.S. depository institutions and their holding companies owned more than $110 billion worth of CLOs issued out of the Cayman Islands alone. A more complete picture is hard to come by, in part because banks have been inconsistent about reporting their CLO holdings. The Financial Stability Board, which monitors the global financial system, warned in December that 14 percent of CLOs—more than $100 billion worth—are unaccounted for.

I have a checking account and a home mortgage with Wells Fargo; I decided to see how heavily invested my bank is in CLOs. I had to dig deep into the footnotes of the bank’s most recent annual report, all the way to page 144. Listed there are its “available for sale” accounts. These are investments a bank plans to sell at some point, though not necessarily right away. The list contains the categories of safe assets you might expect: U.S. Treasury bonds, municipal bonds, and so on. Nestled among them is an item called “collateralized loan and other obligations”—CLOs. I ran my finger across the page to see the total for these investments, investments that Powell and Mnuchin have asserted are “outside the banking system.”

The total is $29.7 billion. It is a massive number. And it is inside the bank.

Since 2008, banks have kept more capital on hand to protect against a downturn, and their balance sheets are less leveraged now than they were in 2007. And not every bank has loaded up on CLOs. But in December, the Financial Stability Board estimated that, for the 30 “global systemically important banks,” the average exposure to leveraged loans and CLOs was roughly 60 percent of capital on hand. Citigroup reported $20 billion worth of CLOs as of March 31; JPMorgan Chase reported $35 billion (along with an unrealized loss on CLOs of $2 billion). A couple of midsize banks—Banc of California, Stifel Financial—have CLOs totaling more than 100 percent of their capital. If the leveraged-loan market imploded, their liabilities could quickly become greater than their assets.

How can these banks justify gambling so much money on what looks like such a risky bet? Defenders of CLOs say they aren’t, in fact, a gamble—on the contrary, they are as sure a thing as you can hope for. That’s because the banks mostly own the least risky, top layer of CLOs. Since the mid-1990s, the highest annual default rate on leveraged loans was about 10 percent, during the previous financial crisis. If 10 percent of a CLO’s loans default, the bottom layers will suffer, but if you own the top layer, you might not even notice. Three times as many loans could default and you’d still be protected, because the lower layers would bear the loss. The securities are structured such that investors with a high tolerance for risk, like hedge funds and private-equity firms, buy the bottom layers hoping to win the lottery. The big banks settle for smaller returns and the security of the top layer. As of this writing, no AAA‑rated layer of a CLO has ever lost principal.

But that AAA rating is deceiving. The credit-rating agencies grade CLOs and their underlying debt separately. You might assume that a CLO must contain AAA debt if its top layer is rated AAA. Far from it. Remember: CLOs are made up of loans to businesses that are already in trouble.

So what sort of debt do you find in a CLO? Fitch Ratings has estimated that as of April, more than 67 percent of the 1,745 borrowers in its leveraged-loan database had a B rating. That might not sound bad, but B-rated debt is lousy debt. According to the rating agencies’ definitions, a B-rated borrower’s ability to repay a loan is likely to be impaired in adverse business or economic conditions. In other words, two-thirds of those leveraged loans are likely to lose money in economic conditions like the ones we’re presently experiencing. According to Fitch, 15 percent of companies with leveraged loans are rated lower still, at CCC or below. These borrowers are on the cusp of default.

So while the banks restrict their CLO investments mostly to AAA‑rated layers, what they really own is exposure to tens of billions of dollars of high-risk debt. In those highly rated CLOs, you won’t find a single loan rated AAA, AA, or even A.

How can the credit-rating agencies get away with this? The answer is “default correlation,” a measure of the likelihood of loans defaulting at the same time. The main reason CLOs have been so safe is the same reason CDOs seemed safe before 2008. Back then, the underlying loans were risky too, and everyone knew that some of them would default. But it seemed unlikely that many of them would default at the same time. The loans were spread across the entire country and among many lenders. Real-estate markets were thought to be local, not national, and the factors that typically lead people to default on their home loans—job loss, divorce, poor health—don’t all move in the same direction at the same time. Then housing prices fell 30 percent across the board and defaults skyrocketed.

For CLOs, the rating agencies determine the grades of the various layers by assessing both the risks of the leveraged loans and their default correlation. Even during a recession, different sectors of the economy, such as entertainment, health care, and retail, don’t necessarily move in lockstep. In theory, CLOs are constructed in such a way as to minimize the chances that all of the loans will be affected by a single event or chain of events. The rating agencies award high ratings to those layers that seem sufficiently diversified across industry and geography.

Banks do not publicly report which CLOs they hold, so we can’t know precisely which leveraged loans a given institution might be exposed to. But all you have to do is look at a list of leveraged borrowers to see the potential for trouble. Among the dozens of companies Fitch added to its list of “loans of concern” in April were AMC Entertainment, Bob’s Discount Furniture, California Pizza Kitchen, the Container Store, Lands’ End, Men’s Wearhouse, and Party City. These are all companies hard hit by the sort of belt-tightening that accompanies a conventional downturn.

We are not in the midst of a conventional downturn. The two companies with the largest amount of outstanding debt on Fitch’s April list were Envision Healthcare, a medical-staffing company that, among other things, helps hospitals administer emergency-room care, and Intelsat, which provides satellite broadband access. Also added to the list was Hoffmaster, which makes products used by restaurants to package food for takeout. Companies you might have expected to weather the present economic storm are among those suffering most acutely as consumers not only tighten their belts, but also redefine what they consider necessary.

Even before the pandemic struck, the credit-rating agencies may have been underestimating how vulnerable unrelated industries could be to the same economic forces. A 2017 article by John Griffin, of the University of Texas, and Jordan Nickerson, of Boston College, demonstrated that the default-correlation assumptions used to create a group of 136 CLOs should have been three to four times higher than they were, and the miscalculations resulted in much higher ratings than were warranted. “I’ve been concerned about AAA CLOs failing in the next crisis for several years,” Griffin told me in May. “This crisis is more horrifying than I anticipated.”

Under current conditions, the outlook for leveraged loans in a range of industries is truly grim. Companies such as AMC (nearly $2 billion of debt spread across 224 CLOs) and Party City ($719 million of debt in 183 CLOs) were in dire straits before social distancing. Now moviegoing and party-throwing are paused indefinitely—and may never come back to their pre-pandemic levels.

The prices of AAA-rated CLO layers tumbled in March, before the Federal Reserve announced that its additional $2.3 trillion of lending would include loans to CLOs. (The program is controversial: Is the Fed really willing to prop up CLOs when so many previously healthy small businesses are struggling to pay their debts? As of mid-May, no such loans had been made.) Far from scaring off the big banks, the tumble inspired several of them to buy low: Citigroup acquired $2 billion of AAA CLOs during the dip, which it flipped for a $100 million profit when prices bounced back. Other banks, including Bank of America, reportedly bought lower layers of CLOs in May for about 20 cents on the dollar.

Meanwhile, loan defaults are already happening. There were more in April than ever before. Several experts told me they expect more record-breaking months this summer. It will only get worse from there.

If leveraged-loan defaults continue, how badly could they damage the larger economy? What, precisely, is the worst-case scenario?

For the moment, the financial system seems relatively stable. Banks can still pay their debts and pass their regulatory capital tests. But recall that the previous crash took more than a year to unfold. The present is analogous not to the fall of 2008, when the U.S. was in full-blown crisis, but to the summer of 2007, when some securities were going underwater but no one yet knew what the upshot would be.

What I’m about to describe is necessarily speculative, but it is rooted in the experience of the previous crash and in what we know about current bank holdings. The purpose of laying out this worst-case scenario isn’t to say that it will necessarily come to pass. The purpose is to show that it could. That alone should scare us all—and inform the way we think about the next year and beyond.

Later this summer, leveraged-loan defaults will increase significantly as the economic effects of the pandemic fully register. Bankruptcy courts will very likely buckle under the weight of new filings. (During a two-week period in May, J.Crew, Neiman Marcus, and J. C. Penney all filed for bankruptcy.) We already know that a significant majority of the loans in CLOs have weak covenants that offer investors only minimal legal protection; in industry parlance, they are “cov lite.” The holders of leveraged loans will thus be fortunate to get pennies on the dollar as companies default—nothing close to the 70 cents that has been standard in the past.

As the banks begin to feel the pain of these defaults, the public will learn that they were hardly the only institutions to bet big on CLOs. The insurance giant AIG—which had massive investments in CDOs in 2008—is now exposed to more than $9 billion in CLOs. U.S. life-insurance companies as a group in 2018 had an estimated one-fifth of their capital tied up in these same instruments. Pension funds, mutual funds, and exchange-traded funds (popular among retail investors) are also heavily invested in leveraged loans and CLOs.

The banks themselves may reveal that their CLO investments are larger than was previously understood. In fact, we’re already seeing this happen. On May 5, Wells Fargo disclosed $7.7 billion worth of CLOs in a different corner of its balance sheet than the $29.7 billion I’d found in its annual report. As defaults pile up, the Mnuchin-Powell view that leveraged loans can’t harm the financial system will be exposed as wishful thinking.

Thus far, I’ve focused on CLOs because they are the most troubling assets held by the banks. But they are also emblematic of other complex and artificial products that banks have stashed on—and off—their balance sheets. Later this year, banks may very well report quarterly losses that are much worse than anticipated. The details will include a dizzying array of transactions that will recall not only the housing crisis, but the Enron scandal of the early 2000s. Remember all those subsidiaries Enron created (many of them infamously named after Star Wars characters) to keep risky bets off the energy firm’s financial statements? The big banks use similar structures, called “variable interest entities”—companies established largely to hold off-the-books positions. Wells Fargo has more than $1 trillion of VIE assets, about which we currently know very little, because reporting requirements are opaque. But one popular investment held in VIEs is securities backed by commercial mortgages, such as loans to shopping malls and office parks—two categories of borrowers experiencing severe strain as a result of the pandemic.

The early losses from CLOs will not on their own erase the capital reserves required by Dodd-Frank. And some of the most irresponsible gambles from the last crisis—the speculative derivatives and credit-default swaps you may remember reading about in 2008—are less common today, experts told me. But the losses from CLOs, combined with losses from other troubled assets like those commercial-mortgage-backed securities, will lead to serious deficiencies in capital. Meanwhile, the same economic forces buffeting CLOs will hit other parts of the banks’ balance sheets hard; as the recession drags on, their traditional sources of revenue will also dry up. For some, the erosion of capital could approach the levels Lehman Brothers and Citigroup suffered in 2008. Banks with insufficient cash reserves will be forced to sell assets into a dour market, and the proceeds will be dismal. The prices of leveraged loans, and by extension CLOs, will spiral downward.

You can perhaps guess much of the rest: At some point, rumors will circulate that one major bank is near collapse. Overnight lending, which keeps the American economy running, will seize up. The Federal Reserve will try to arrange a bank bailout. All of that happened last time, too.

But this time, the bailout proposal will likely face stiffer opposition, from both parties. Since 2008, populists on the left and the right in American politics have grown suspicious of handouts to the big banks. Already irate that banks were inadequately punished for their malfeasance leading up to the last crash, critics will be outraged to learn that they so egregiously flouted the spirit of the post-2008 reforms. Some members of Congress will question whether the Federal Reserve has the authority to buy risky investments to prop up the financial sector, as it did in 2008. (Dodd-Frank limited the Fed’s ability to target specific companies, and precluded loans to failing or insolvent institutions.) Government officials will hold frantic meetings, but to no avail. The faltering bank will fail, with others lined up behind it.

And then, sometime in the next year, we will all stare into the financial abyss. At that point, we will be well beyond the scope of the previous recession, and we will have either exhausted the remedies that spared the system last time or found that they won’t work this time around. What then?

Until recently, at least, the U.S. was rightly focused on finding ways to emerge from the coronavirus pandemic that prioritize the health of American citizens. And economic health cannot be restored until people feel safe going about their daily business. But health risks and economic risks must be considered together. In calculating the risks of reopening the economy, we must understand the true costs of remaining closed. At some point, they will become more than the country can bear.

The financial sector isn’t like other sectors. If it fails, fundamental aspects of modern life could fail with it. We could lose the ability to get loans to buy a house or a car, or to pay for college. Without reliable credit, many Americans might struggle to pay for their daily needs. This is why, in 2008, then–Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson went so far as to get down on one knee to beg Nancy Pelosi for her help sparing the system. He understood the alternative.

It is a distasteful fact that the present situation is so dire in part because the banks fell right back into bad behavior after the last crash—taking too many risks, hiding debt in complex instruments and off-balance-sheet entities, and generally exploiting loopholes in laws intended to rein in their greed. Sparing them for a second time this century will be that much harder.

If we muster the political will to do so—or if we avert the worst possible outcomes in this precarious time—it will be imperative for the U.S. government to impose reforms stringent enough to head off the next crisis. We’ve seen how banks respond to stern reprimands and modest reform. This time, regulators might need to dismantle the system as we know it. Banks should play a much simpler role in the new economy, making lending decisions themselves instead of farming them out to credit-rating agencies. They should steer clear of whatever newfangled security might replace the CLO. To prevent another crisis, we also need far more transparency, so we can see when banks give in to temptation. A bank shouldn’t be able to keep $1 trillion worth of assets off its books.

If we do manage to make it through the next year without waking up to a collapse, we must find ways to prevent the big banks from going all in on bets they can’t afford to lose. Their luck—and ours—will at some point run out.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/07/coronavirus-banks-collapse/612247/


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"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."  --Benjamin Franklin

The media has predicted vague economic doom and gloom over the last 10+ years. Those undefined apocalyptic sounding predictions are now materializing into more specific content involving banks and less publicized hyperinflation scenarios. Unlike the 2008 bank crisis, we have advance warning and time to offset potential banking disasters. The trouble is less than 0.01% of the population read articles like this one and it will be impossible to muster majority support for proposed measures to fix these issues.

Sheerly through circumstance, any future banking disaster will likely take 99.9% of the population by surprise. If consumers were forewarned they could inadvertently worsen bank sector liquidity by panic withdrawing funds from banks.

How do we fix these types of issues. Where the majority would like to be informed and educated. Somehow circumstances being what they are, that never seems to happen.

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