Topic: The merit system is it a new strategy (Read 666 times)

As much as merit system wants to established controls over quality posts, the fact that many user of this forum are working for campaigns and are obliged to complete their post requirement is still one reason why non quality post will still be present. But the best part of this merit system is the idea that whether you make thousands of post, if none of them earn merit you will not rank up which I think is a best way to control position.

I like also the rule, It challenges me to improve how I can construct my posts and what approach you will do to earn merit from others.
I hope there will be a page soon wherein the post is not counted their and people may post all their questions, and questions that had been ask before. (Just a suggestion, please don't bother to bash me)

And if the mods are too busy, then DT will tag them.   Copy/pasting is pathetic.  Please point out users you see doing this.

Those people will soon realize the huge mistake they are making. Posting copied content here results in permanent ban without warning. This means all their efforts for ranking up will go in vain.

Yes I think it's a very good initiative for Bitcoin talk organization. Bitcoin is becoming a good crypto currency day by day. To know all about this Bitcoin or any other kind of crypto currency this website that is Bitcoin talk organization is the best one. Also people used to visit this website for gathering knowledge about this. So if they gets misleading by a post of a newbie or Jr member then it will be a bad one. I'm not saying that newbie or Jr member has a bad quality posting, I am trying to say newbie and Jr member are new here. They only gathering knowledge. So by the help of this merit system, they have to post good content. As a result, the percentage of bad quality posting is reducing. Above all it's helping the forum to go forward by the help of good posts.

The merit system started by the forum is just to determine the quality of the posts which are being posted in the thread.Now a days many posts are being observed which are irrelevant to the topic or which are not up to the point.The merit system reduces the spammers whose only motive is to increase rank and participate in signature campaign to earn more money.

i release neutral trust at the moment
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=828064
need more investigating, probably alt-account

They will be tagged/ spotted by users and be punished harshly by admin/ mods by naive plagiarism. They will be banned sooner or later by spamming activities.
For example, this one, 50 merits for shitty post.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28897101

Meritocracy is a form of social order in a given hierarchical community.
According to Plato it can be a bless if conducted by a highly educated class of Philosophers only, not otherwise.
Interesting 45 minute tv-show that deals with the case when it becomes implemented on a mass scale (contrary to Plato) is linked below:

http://orville.wikia.com/wiki/Majority_Rule

If you are a fan of Sci-Fi, surely you will enjoy this show, please share your impressions and if you see any similarity with how we implemented merit strategy here.

Will make few more points related to the philosophy of Bitcoin (food for thought as claims may be perceived as contradictory on a surface).

Decentralization implies horizontal community order.
Centralization implies hierarchy - pyramid of ranks.

Decentralization of authority denies existence of authority.
Centralization of authority denies possibility of an effective authority in a complex system where capacities of center of authority are not unlimited.

Not having large scale low quality posts proliferating is not guaranteed unless true authority corresponds to meriting capacity of forum members.
Can it ever actually be the case ? Or did we actually subscribed to a psychology of masses instead ?

I've recently witnessed explosion of low quality very short posts just giving praises to newly incorporated merit system (like 10 words max in a typical kissa** style) that were subsequently merited muuultiple times (thus increasing meriting capacity of a low quality poster) and this even occurred in 4 different language sub-forums that I'm following being poly-lingual.

Let's constantly valuate and reevaluate B.talkIP-s.

I agree with your opinion if the future merit can remove spammers in bitcointalk but if I think if at the beginning of the merit weighing merit that is nearing the next rank as I live looking for merit to be able to ride a full member even looking for a merit can eat time 2 new daily we can get merit

This type of condescending behavior shouldn't be propagated here, regardless of account level. You may feel entitled to write things like this because of your level, but you really need to check yourself.

People are posting stupidly long posts that try to appear intelligent, but they are really just spam.  You have people copy and pasting huge ass paragraphs from other sources.  Then the actual good posts don't even receive merit.

Yeah! Pretty agree, this new merit system are meant to build control over users of bitcointalk. It is also a fair assessment for me to rank up properly and reasonably. This is much better rather than letting users to rank up then as a snap of a finger they will lose their accounts due to negative trust given for making less quality posts.

I've seen a lot of posts about this merit system,they always say that its so good oh just amazing,after this they are doing everything to achieve their rewards -'merits',I like it too but we need right implementation of this system.We see a lot of Jr.members with 2000 posts,all of them are trying to post as many as they can with the hope that one day they will get a lot of  merits,by this I just want to say that In addition, it is necessary to introduce other new regulations which will not be harmful to those who are really trying to help someone.

Its the same old song and dance (Aerosmith)  

Copy/paste

https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@tighilt/bitcoin-2018-forecast-here-are-the-predictions-prepared-by-7-experts-on-the-price-of-digital-currency

yes, i want add this new variable to my investigations
because some users dont think with mind, think with a$$

is pretty easy with "merit" discover and confirm alts total agree

i <3 merits system

You are doing the right thing by pointing the people trying to misuse merits. But it should be reported correctly. Here is the correct place to report it: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-users-that-are-abusing-merit-system-2823221

Actually i suspected this merit system. Imagine merit comes from a single thread to a multiple times topic everywhere in the forum. I guees only theymos who knows the clear whole scope of merit. I do believed that merit given by him is quite creepy to all unanimous members.

And I suppose it's just a coincidence that these users share your unique writing style, right down to your idiosyncratic word choices and grammar errors?

Yes i said that it was weired even for me and if i was the responsable of it i would never post in meta.
I deleted the posts because they were low quality and do not deserve merit points.

I agree with you that the idea of merit is thought out very good. The system already is running on the forum. It was a severe decision to the current situation. And yes, now we all need to do the best in order to get a next rank.

I also see this new merit system will have a positive effect to bitcoin forum. It will challenge users to post useful comments and prevent from posting useless replies. I just hope that hard wotker and user with real good quality post will gain proper credits/merits.

Good catch!

lamjed, care to share which deleted posts of yours earned you 2 times 4 Merit points from two different users (both shitposters who don't post anything else than signature applications when they're not in a campaign) within 4 minutes apart? I guess 4 sMerit was all they had.

Merit turns out to be a great way to confirm alt-accounts!

Op is clearly now trying to put some effort into his posts but he also clearly can't speak English very well and as such his post is mostly useless, but I think this thread is just him trying to post something constructive to try get merit, which probably wont work. People like this should probably just stick to seeking out merit by posting quality posts in their own language because it's almost certainly going to be a waste of time trying to do it in English. It would be akin to me trying to make constructive posts in Filipino. It's just not going to work.


I wouldn't have an issue with anyone making posting their 'job' as employment isn't always that easy to find even with qualifications, and for developing countries it will be ten times worse and the jobs are paid ten times worse even when you can get them, but if you are going to earn money here then you need to put in the 'work' and the minimum you should be required to do is put effort into your posting. People have certainly taken signature campaigns for granted and because people could get away with posting any old rubbish people got used to getting paid a lot of money for next to nothing and that's where the entitlement comes from. The forum should have cracked down on this long ago, but the root cause of the issue is still lazy campaigns as they will continue to pay for shitposts once people have the required merit so nothing is going to change but rather just get delayed until punishments are given to those paying for the mess.

Having such merit points in a short time is really embarrassing even for me. I do not even know how it happened. If i was behind it i would never make a post in Meta.

You are making a great effort. you can do a perfect job and I'm sure the forum will be better structured and rewarding.

It has been started after years of shitposting by account farmers trying to make money - which was observed quite long back but was not attacked with iron fists till now.

If they cant rank up they wont make money. Forget about trying to spam the forum to rank up. You need quality content and stuff that other people in the forum find "engaging" in order to gain merit. Slow and steady growth of the accounts.

Dont really get you - you mean to say that the merit system is causing the people to stop posting? Well for shitposters thats true but for quality posters its false.

merit system is a new rule or strategy for bitcointalk account users to raise a higher ranking. I think this is very good for users y because they are not just a post, but must be qualified and really beguna for others.
so I think this is very appropriate with the merit
if you think how, share for opinion

People are actually aswering the OP with true words... the pajeet effect

This is a solution that can make the forum situation better and each post will also be more qualified. I have seen these days that there has been a significant increase, especially in reducing spammers. But still there are posts that I think is not so good. Perhaps one of them is they impose using English, but not everyone understands the language. There must be a new learning and understanding, oh yes maybe local boards can be a consideration. Because a quality post can also exist in the local section. But in some circumstances it has happened that someone who seing a post on a local boards will get a red trust, this is a pretty complicated subject matter, there must be a regulation that can control all those circumstances.

so what is your idea to create this thread?

Merit is a good new system, hence it would not be easy for newbies like me. While ICOs and this forum would still need some fresh blood.

I personally wouldn't give merit to OP for what he wrote.  As you said, the grasp of English just isn't there to make what he wrote interesting, even if he has a point.  I'm making an attempt to give out merit points to noobs who write good posts, but I don't see all that many in the threads I'm reading.  I shall keep searching and making that effort.

As far as the money from campaigns goes, if you're living in a 3rd world country and could actually be accepted into a campaign like Chipmixer, you could be living like a pimp.  In style and comfort.  Hell, I could live off of that kind of money and I don't live in such a country.  Not that I'd quit my job to do that.  I don't look at campaigns as a way to support ones' self at all.  To me it's just gravy--getting paid to do something I'd be doing anyway is a nice reward and something I'm extremely grateful for. 

For someone in the Philippines it'd be phenomenal, but unfortunately most posters from there and other countries in Asia have a hard time writing posts in English of good enough quality not to be considered shitposts.  You can call that racist, but it's an observation of mine.  Yes, there are some great posters from Asia, but they're few and far between. 

People want to live off of signature campaigns, and I find this to be a ridiculous proposition.  Having a real job, in one of the helping professions, is part of who I am.  Being in a sig campaign, by comparison, means very little to me.

This thread can be posted on the original merit post or to some threads who's asking for opinions, we don't need another one. Please consider reading before posting.

Hey Pajeet - You are going to have to find a new way of income, you aren't going to make the cut here anymore, son, sorry.

Your post history is shit. You can barely type English, and honestly, that merit shadiness you got going on ain't gonna help ya either.

Not sure what country you live in, but you can probably make more $ getting a real job.

Good luck!

Someone will be tagged soon
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1206468

We are going to have content-less threads no matter what system is implemented. We've had several members making nonsense threads in hope that someone will give them merit. But, at least this prevents hundreds of account farmers from making free accounts and eventually earning money on signature campaigns just by spamming.

I personally think that the system of merit points that the forum started to work with is launched after a precise study.
A lot of users are making stupid posts with no useful content just to ameliorate their ranks and earn much more money.
The forum becomes full with empty content posts. So i do believe in this new technic which represents a control system that fixes the upgrade criteria.