Topic: The moral side of the grain deal (Read 319 times)

All stated here in this contest is of reality about war and it's consequences, war is the most dangerous engagement to occur in the means of human existence as it effects never tells good but only destroying the human struggle and their achievement.

Allot has to be corrected and restrictions need made in certain area of life during with a clearly defined terms and conditions, what is happening today all over the world where nation are deprived to export or import grain and other items is as result of unclear terms during war. Another necessity is taking sanction on defaulter of the laws without taking sight of fear against any who violated it. This issue is not only between Ukraine and Russia but also in the case of isreal and Hamas the supply of grain and others items has become a problem as those acclaimed to have power over the others uses it as weapon of war to course starvation and losses in their opponent.

What? Don't you even realize that Ukrainians eat some of their own poison grain?

You make a valid argument concerning the human cost of war. Beyond the immediate loss of life, war may have a catastrophic effect on a country's economy and infrastructure, resulting in long-term issues such as poverty and instability. And, as you indicated, the consequences of conflict can extend well beyond the borders of the countries involved. The blockade of Ukrainian ports has not only resulted in food and other supply shortages in Ukraine, but it has also pushed worldwide prices up, putting millions of people at danger of food poverty. So, if these demands are not addressed, it might result in a prolonged period of instability, with far-reaching ramifications for this entire area as well as the rest of the world.

You're right! For Russia, Ukrainian grain is like the bite of a cobra, because it paralyzes the process of Russia selling its grain.

If the only choice you had was to be bitten by a rattle snake or a cobra, which would you choose? Cobra venom kills in as little as 30 minutes. But a rattle snake bite might not even inject any venom.

Take your pick. The deadly grain of Ukraine, which has been treated by Monsanto. Or the slightly poisonous grain of Russia.

In every case of war or calamity, it is necessary to help in the proper management of grain contracts or supplies, and if any State obstructs the other in this way, all States should take action against them.Because Russia blocked Ukraine from exporting war grain, Russia really shouldn't because Ukraine is known as a grain storehouse, and they are known worldwide for their grain storehouses.They could not export their crops and the whole world trade is going through a food crisis, so there is a need to make arrangements for marketing of these national products such as grain or foodstuff or fuel in any situation.Otherwise, a war would have consequences for the entire world system, so I personally think that any country or group that obstructs the export of these cautions should be dealt with harshly and Considering the aspect of ethics, not to prevent the export or not to prevent the import because the fighters will fight the enemy and the other side, so not to use the common people as tools of war.After this war, Turkey first helped the two countries to use the port to export grain, which was a good thing, but Russia did not want to take it easily at first or give it, and then forced it.As we can see Russia is trying to take over Ukraine, but actually USA is currently occupying Ukraine, and they are fighting Russia but not winning the war.My last point is that the morality of war should be maintained on food or necessaries so that they can go to or bring any state and the state that prevents it must prevent the state as a whole So that they cannot stop The grain agreement should be made renewable. In my opinion, what is the grain agreement? In fact, in case of war, these agreements should not be kept, and some basic things should be specified in advance by the people of the world so that there is a war. Do not hesitate to export goods if necessary.Many of us talk about Putin's morality, but we should remember that the Western world is trying to prolong the war with Ukraine if they fall into this deal We can't talk about them. Their morals are in waiting. They are also indirectly creating bad examples of morals Responsibility I'm not talking about Russia, I'm talking about the whole.

Does not make much sense to me, or at least I do not understand the point of his post.
Is this an implication of Russian grain and other products being completely organic and free of chemical products?

I may be wrong, because as far as I understand such a huge country with a big population would not be able to feed their people without using fertilizers and pesticides, and considering Ukraine is not the only country which uses such products then we should have expected to see negative consequences of them in other places like China...which certainly uses them

Russian folk tale in a modern version.

Russia simply realized, finally, that Ukrainian grain was so full of poisonous pesticides and herbicides that letting it go through would cause more damage to Russian enemies that fighting the actual war in Ukraine. Probably the reason why Ukraine is failing is, Ukrainians have been eating their own grain products for a long time now, and are being poisoned off by their own products.

Several ships with Ukrainian grain have already passed unhindered to the Bosphorus. The Russians are probably afraid to attack transports, since Great Britain intends to send warships into the Black Sea for escort.

Egyptian President Abdul-Fattax Al-Sisi, who arrived in St. Petersburg for the Russia-Africa summit along with the leaders of other countries on this continent, called on Vladimir Putin to extend grain deal with Ukraine, which makes it clear that exactly in Russia they see a problem with the grain.

Putin chuckles as he challenges Nato to stop him in Ukraine.

NATO countries let Putin know that he would be in big trouble if even one transport ship was sunk.

We all knew you are sorry. We didn't need you to tell us.

I don't know the future any better than anybody else does. But you have reacted to what I have written in the forum. Some of it is your post that I am quoting right here. Will you react to my writings again? I don't know the future.

Sorry, but I'm sorry for the time to respond to your childish stupidity. I just get by to ignore you. Do you really think that I will react that you write here on the forum about poisoned grain. Good luck.

You forgot to read what you quoted. As usual, you forgot about the countries that wouldn't accept the poisoned grain from Ukraine. Russia was just spanking the Ukraine child, and the spanking is running over onto the US and Nato.

Better a child than density.

  Our forum child gave the following horror story: Ukraine sells poisonous grain to poison someone. It seems that Russian children read fairy tales about Ukrainian robbers and pirates in their children.

Russia is doing this to gently warn Ukraine that much worse things could happen if they keep fighting against Russia's police action. At the same time, though Russia may not realize it, they are saving a bunch of people from Ukraine's poison grain, while enhancing their own grain sales.

  You are right, Russians do what they think is best for them. But why are they bombing the ports of Ukraine and violating Ukraine's trade operations with other countries. If, for example, you are selling your house, can I forbid the sale of your house, because I have nothing to do with this sale. Russia has grain, even if it sells this grain, but what does Ukraine have to do with it. Even if we assume that someone prefers to buy Ukrainian grain, and not Russian, then again, what does Ukraine have to do with it?

I’m not totally educated on the grain deal situation, but isn’t it possible that Putin wants to make sure his own country has enough grain to feed his people without needing to import genetically modified food grown by the West and their allies? I’m not sure everything Russia does is evil and think they’re just trying to do what is best for them.

  If you sell your product to a second party, the third party requires that their product be also bought, otherwise they will start a fight, then this requirement is legal?

The fact of the name is what changes. This change is a fact.

It's how many companies get out of paying a court-ordered debt to somebody. They simply change the name of their company, so there is nobody to collect from.

I also won't prove anything to you.
But does this make any difference?
Do facts change by changing names?

what was agreed as far as i know was that they are to be allowed to export Ukraine and Russian grains. but the rest of EU blocks it because they only want Ukraine grains. but this is not what they were trying to deal with so the deal is off as they primarily agreed to allow Russian's grain as well.

i bet that information was not reported as well in the media. but says Russia wants the rest of the world to go hungry

I think that you are denying your own existence, simply by saying something like...

I'm not even going to ask you to prove that you are not an Alik Bahshi pseudonym.

You have completely denied my existence.
With all due respect, but I only know Alik Bahshi through the forum.
If our opinions are similar on some issues but I am not a pseudonym for Alik Bahshi.
I am only biased towards the human side, far from siding with a particular political side.

That's the point. It doesn't matter about you. You have sold yourself to your agenda, and no amount of proof that you are wrong will ever sway you from your direction.

But maybe yhiaali3 wants to look at the rest of the story... except, of course, if yhiaali3 is a pseudonym of yours.

And why should I?

Try these two sites...

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Ukrainian grain poison Ok, who sprayed it with Monsanto poisons? Give me a source

The US is usurping Ukraine. Get the US out of there. Make it too unprofitable for the US to be there.

Sell Russian grain around the world.

Ukrainian grain is poison. It has been sprayed with Monsanto poisons. Those countries that lose Ukraine grain will find food elsewhere. And that will be good for them.

Russia is saving the world from corrupt Ukraine. In this instance, good for Russia.

All wars must have a minimum level of morality that allows the warring parties to import or export foodstuffs or medical supplies necessary for the continuation of life at a minimum.

Preventing Ukraine from exporting grain not only causes suffering to the Ukrainian people, but also causes a crisis in many countries that need these grains.

Not only grain, there are many other necessary materials. Here in my country, for example, we suffer a lot from the high prices of some materials such as oil, iron, and others that were imported from Ukraine.

That is absolutely right.It was the last option Russia had to use as leverage against the West as they call it.This though is a completely wrong move from Putin regime as this put the definitive blow to Putin regime as most countries won't see this as a great move which is causing havoc right now in the grain markets.While I think they will stabilize the fact is that this move puts Russia in complete isolation and just for this Stoltenberg called personally Zelensky to tell him that Ukraine is closer than ever to NATO and this means game over for Russia even in the super remote case that Ukraine make concessions to Russia (it will never happen but just considering).

Another thing Zelensky said Crimean bridge is a military target,the favorite place of Putin,I am waiting to see this bridge completely destroyed.

Alik Bakhshi

The moral side of the grain deal


            In the expression "grain deal" there is a subtext of something not entirely legal and secret. On the other hand, the word "deal" can be replaced by the more correct word "agreement", which in this case carries the same semantic load. However, I still think it is not without reason that the word “deal” is used in the agreement on the export of Ukrainian grain, concluded between Russia, Turkey and the UN. The fact is that there is an element of blackmail here. So, Ukraine sells its grain to countries interested in buying it, that is, a normal international trade operation, but Russia, which has nothing to do with this, puts forward a condition, and not to Ukraine, but to the West, which must lift anti-Russian sanctions, otherwise Russia does not guarantee the safety of ships entering the ports of Ukraine. There is the most gangster blackmail that Russia has already used, if we recall the “gas blackmail” against the EU. However, what can be expected from the St. Petersburg bandit Putin, for whom "roofing", and this is exactly what Russia's demand in the concluded grain deal looks like, adequate to the usual gangster protection. Putin does not care that his African friends will be left without much-needed grain. By the way, Ukrainian grain is also supplied to China, Russia's strategic ally.

        I must say, in this case, the threat is quite real, given that Russia is at war with Ukraine. It is necessary to pay attention to some very important nuances in legal terms. Russia does not recognize that it is at war with Ukraine. So why on earth are Ukraine being targeted with rocket attacks on its grain warehouses and port facilities if Ukraine is not a party to this deal. Moreover, if there is no officially recognized war on the part of Russia, then its missile strikes on the entire territory of Ukraine are interpreted only as terrorist. No wonder Russia is recognized as a sponsor of terrorism. Along with strikes against Ukraine and its territorial waters, Russia also intends to sink merchant ships in the neutral waters of the Black Sea, which is a violation of international shipping standards. In principle, ships with grain may not use neutral waters, but use the territorial waters of Romania, Bulgaria and Turkey, following the coasts of these countries, which are also NATO members. It is unlikely that Russia will dare to sink ships in the Black Sea waters of NATO countries. The only vulnerable place for transport ships is actually Ukrainian ports and territorial waters of Ukraine.

        It is very interesting what will be the reaction of Turkey as the most active party to this grain deal. What will Erdogan do if Russia still starts sinking ships with grain. Erdogan has several options here. Turkey, which has a powerful navy that surpasses Russia's, can take over the security of shipping instead of Russia, which was the guarantor of security for the duration of the grain deal. It should be taken into account that Türkiye will not violate any international norms in this case. Its ships will not be located in the territorial waters of Russia, including the occupied Crimea. It is unlikely that a Russian ship or plane will dare to fire a shot towards the Turkish fleet, which does not violate the boundaries of the territorial waters of Russia, no doubt, it will suffer the fate of a Russian plane that somehow flew into Turkey. The second option is that Turkey will abandon all economic projects with Russia, which will make the latter lose a lot. And the third - Turkey will close the Black Sea straits for Russian ships, with all the ensuing catastrophic consequences for Russia.

       The Russian Fuhrer, with his insane revanchism, put Russia in the position of a pariah in front of the entire world community, and Russia's behavior in the grain deal well demonstrates the moral inferiority of Putin's Russia.

      07/21/2023