Topic: the most powerful mining rig ever contrived (Read 13482 times)

ASIC design are in the pipeline, and Mosis will fab small quantities reasonably cheaply.

I really wish places like that would list their prices on the product page if those aren't too expensive that could actually make a decent dedicated rig.

1. Buy a few of these  http://www.ieiworld.com/product_groups/industrial/content.aspx?keyword=PCIE&gid=00001000010000000001&cid=08125380802604740685&id=08142309392984901650 and these http://www.ieiworld.com/product_groups/industrial/content.aspx?keyword=WSB&gid=00001000010000000001&cid=08144524965010094026&id=08142309488965809658
2. ...
3. Profit?

lol MOuse you got em.


I giggle everytime i see that picture. To me nvidia is garbage for everything. I have always used ati but to each their own

dude...

all that nvidia... For mining? Please tell me you run more f@h than bitcoin mining.

I think I got you beat:

Think my setup has some promise? : http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=29963.0

lol from the 1st pictures i just though "oh nice desktop size I buy 2", but then i scrolled down and there was someone standing next to it o.O

At this stage, with bitcoin "market cap" at around 100M$ investing 200-300 M$ into ASIC fabrication does not sound as such a good idea.

short answer no it isnt related. i would much rather use ASIC but I do not have the initial investment to have one designed and etc. Perhaps at some point.

Is this related? http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=29696.0? It talks about china, cheap manufacturing...Or is this all an elaborate scam?

lol

P.S. you can send me 100BTC as thanks. 

Phew,... managed to stop you just in time. 

daahhh. thank you for explaining this to me.. I was just about to wire them 100k£ ...

If you deal on Alibaba, there are two things to look out for:

1.) Gold Seller
2.) Escrow

If you have either of those, then you can certainly guarantee getting the goods. I've asked for some quotes from China, let's see how cheap they go for either the Black Edition or the Sapphire Toxic (Both 4GB DDR5) cards. Although I don't think the memory is that important, it's the number of cores (which is 3200) in those cards. I would NOT use western union or wire transfer as you will be had.

I am quite sure that there are companies based in Malaysia somewhere and offering their wares on alibaba. These companies claim to have thousands of 5970 cards in stock and ready to sell them for as little as 100$ a pop. Though, it's wire transfer or western union only.

I am sure that if you negotiate hard enough they can get more cards and they will sell it to you even at lower price. Surely at those kind of prices prices 1Thps rig may sound plausible. I hope you hear from them after money are sent.

I was shopping at Fry's for a mining rig.

the guy setting up my system noticed its similar to what some other guy was setting up.

he had spend $70k.

the guy at Fry's will hold 1 6990 for me when they arrive.  I'll be returning my 6950s

I just got a quote from the US. If I buy 50 5970's Black Editions it would cost 21,000 USD including shipping which comes to $420 per card. Not bad. If I order just 1 card as a sample it would cost $575 including shipping.

Next I'll get a quote from China and let's compare the difference. 

I guess you buy here? http://unitedbloom.en.made-in-china.com/product/xoinVEaHavcF/China-Video-Graphics-Card-HD5970-2GB-Best-Video-Card.html

Because their drivers are not open source. You're welcome to try to create OpenCL 1.1 drivers for nvidia if you think it's a matter of just "unlocking". Good luck 

that was the part i wanted sources on. if it's just a driver lock, why isn't everyone "unlocking" their drivers

Okay, let's step back and get a little perspective.

1. Jack of Diamonds claims that tesla is 30 times faster (!!). You don't think that's suspicious.
2. I claim that HD 5970 is capable of 5 Teraflops. You think this is suspicious...

Who is the fanboi.. Me or you?

Anyhow, I shall oblige. Here. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ati-radeon-hd-5970,9109.html



It's called market segmentation.
For workstation, BOTH, nvidia and amd does this. They both cripple openGL performance on their consumer desktop drivers.

That is why I'm saying openCL is a gamechanger. It allows full computing power for desktop cards and threatens to destroy the workstation market.
There is a reason why nvidia is hesitant to embrace OpenCL v1.1. They want to be able to control and cripple desktop cards and keep the high profit workstation market alive.
On the other fence, AMD sees OpenCL as an opportunity to outclass Intel. So they fully embrace OpenCL.
It's politics.  

proof needed, especially the part about nvidia crippling cards. Right now, it looks like FUD from a troll/fanboi

Okay, this post is full of errors. Their marketing has utterly managed to bullshit you.
The 4 Teraflops you refer to, is not from a single video card. It is a system of 4 video cards.

The S2050 1U rack = 4 TeraFlops
The M2050 card = 1 TeraFlops


The HD6990 card has 5 Teraflops.


You have this wrong in my opinion.
All nvidia does is make non-crippled drivers for workstation cards for workstation usage. And they add a little bit more ram. All of this supposedly justifies 20 000 $ per system...
A better way to look at it is to say that workstation performs normally, while regular consumer desktop graphics are phenomenally slow due to purposely crippled drivers.

But with the introduction of OpenCL, this is about to change. Consumer desktop cards are not crippled for OpenCL. And that is why you will see a single HD 5970 rape entire Tesla systems made of multiple tesla cards.

Maybe i might sell some cards at a little bit of a mar up at some point but that is down the road a ways.

omg, plz tell me where you got the parts...

I share some pics after everything arrives and i get it put together. Then i can officially retire my laptop from mining with its dismal 163 mh/s.

Sharing is caring! 

lol not using 6990's and as i mentions a few posts back yes i forgot a zero. So it would be 103608 mh/s but i could probably push it to 104,000 mh/s or so. And cards aren't out of stock everywhere you just have to know where to look 

Only to find it completely out of stock of 6990s

I think OP maybe needs to go back to his calculator and double check he did not add 1,2 or 3 too many zeros in his calculations...

There is no way you can achieve 1Thash from 15 systems. You do understand that a 6990 outputs about 830Mhash... x 10 is 8.3Ghash... x 10 83Ghash .'. 83/1000 x 100 = 8.3% of 1Thash...

100 x 6990's will give you 8.3% of a Terra-hash 

FireMV/FirePro is AMD's equivalent.

Nvidias workstation cards are superior to AMD cards in general distributed computing by an order of magnitude. Nvidia Tesla cards cost fortunes (up to $20,000 dollars) but have up to 9-30x better performance with up to 4100 gigaFLOPS (4 teraFLOPS) per card.

Compare to a radeon 6990 which has 5.2 gigaFLOPS of single precision compute power. They are 2 entirely different markets.

Workstation cards are phenomenally fast, they just happen to be bad for bitcoin mining.

I think he wants to import directly from the manufacturer -> 1000 cards for 75$ each = 75k US$.
Selling each card for about 750$ = 750k US$.
Profit = 750k - 75k = 675k US$.

step one, break into the ati distribution center...

Well, ... even if you could squeeze 2 Ghash/s out of one card and put 10 of them into one rig x 15 machines = 300 Ghash/s.

A so called machine must be a very big rack where you can put 70 cards in x 15 racks = 1050 cards = (estimated->) 1000 Mhash per card x 1050 = 1050 Ghash/s = 1.05 Thash/s.

for 70k USD? Really? You import them from China/Taiwan?

Well, let me consider the mainboards, cpus, psus ... , cooling solutions, rent, energy consumption, work, time, shipping costs, ...

Even from China/Taiwan you won't get 1050 cards for 70k US$. May be a cards overall import costs only 100$ x 1050 =>>>>>> 105k US$. And this investment still lacks the other equipment. Then you can have a look on your 1Thash investment, but it wouldn't compute you one single Bitmicro...

cul8er.

5970 black edition

So ati(amd) has no equivalent to nvidias quadro plex systems?

...removed...

A 5970 is slightly faster than a 6990. (in mining)
Anyway, it would'nt be enough.


Maybe he means vectorbased processing power?  ==>

The Earth Simulator with its vectorbased CPUs is still the fastest Supercomputer in the world measured per core performance and would even beat every GPU- or CPU-based Supercomputer if he had enough cores.

Here's an example:

1. RIKEN Advanced Institute for Computational Science (AICS)
Japan   K
SPARC64 VIIIfx 2.0GHz
Tofu interconnect / 2011 Fujitsu
548352 cores ->   8162.00 RMAX

2. National Supercomputing Center in Tianjin
China   Tianhe-1A
NUDT TH MPP, X5670 2.93Ghz 6C
NVIDIA GPU, FT-1000 8C / 2010 NUDT
Cores 186368 -> 2566.00 RMAX

...

68.  Japan Agency for Marine - Earth Science and Technology
Japan   Earth Simulator
SX-9/E/1280M160 / 2009 NEC
1280   cores -> 122.40 RMAX

May the Earth Simulator have 70 x 1280 cores = 89600 cores => 8568 RMAX

This fictionary example shows that one NEC SX-9/E vectorprocessor rig would outperform any CPU- or GPU-based rig.  

So, this would be the only solution for me in winning the race mining for Bitcoins.

But 15 Machines of this NEC SX-9/E may be more expensive than 70k USD i think.

So, tell us your solution!

He said that he's willing to learn mandarin? Hmm... There must be something going on in little China.


Edit: Even only one would be enough i think so... -> http://www.nidokidos.org/threads/20389-NEC-Vector-Supercomputer-SX-9-Worlds-Fastest-Supecomputer

Care to share how you're able to achieve this?

FirePro, Tesla and Quadro cards are horrible for mining.

A card faster than a 6990 doesn't exist.

the 5870x2 ARES and a custom 6970x2 are roughly as fast as a 6990

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess workstation cards may be involved.

lol nope a better card than the 6990. This thread is kind of fun

If your using gpu's the only possible way to do it in 15 machines would be through the 6990.

not 6990's btw

Quick! I'll give you half the profits in exchange for the plans!

This!  It never occurred to me to buy 6990s before they're branded and labeled.  Significant savings!

im working on it. I think I should take a few days to learn mandarin but i have time while waiting for funding

So do it!

I find your post entertaining! Too bad I just exchanged all my BTC

That's exactly why I said this

lol my laptop only puts out 162 mh/s and I can run any flavor of crysis.


and yep after looking over my specs again you are right I had it figured without an extra zero so 15 boxes would yield  103,608 mh/s

so for less that 1 mil i could build a system that put out 1th/s and it would pay for itself in 3 months taking into account difficulty and power costs

I think Vladmir is somewhere in that relative vicinity, and needs data centers with special power supply just to get enough power to his rigs.  That'd could easily eat your $70k right there.

[edit] To be fair, he didn't specify GPUs exactly, just machines.  Perhaps he's found the magical fountain of cheap FPGAs? 

So each machine has to output 66ghash/s.

Even if you fit 8x6990 in a MSI BB Marshall motherboard with extension cables for a total of 16 gpu's and somehow get it to work, that's only 6400mhash/s per rig, or 96ghash in total.

It would also cost over $90,000 dollars.
A denser setup isn't possible at the moment; You can't get more than a theoretical 96,000mhash/s out of 15 machines with modern GPU's.

...and it can almost run Crysis.

You would need 14.28 megahash per dollar. Unless you found some fancy alien technology I highly doubt it.

For a little less that 70k USD I have come up with a way to make a mining farm that has 15 machines and outputs a little over 1th/s. mmmmmmmmm godlike. Now all i need is money