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Topic: The Norwegian Govt. wants to know your cash business (Read 1158 times)

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Snylting på trygd og velferdsstaten provoserer folk (flest) langt meir enn myndighetenes ønske om kontroll. At det skal blir enklare for pakket å sende trygda heim til lollistan er isolert sett en negativ konsekvens av cryptocurrency.

Does this provoke you?

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Dette er en svært viktig sak som må få et etterspill. De fleste på vårt kontor fikk ikke logget seg på egen datamaskin før vi gikk hjem 15.30. Følgende regnestykke kan være realistisk: 19.000 ansatte, 5 timer nedetid og en kostpris per time på 450 kr. Det blir over 42,5 millioner kroner. Tallene er skremmende, men det jeg virkelig er opptatt av nå, er at "ingen" ser ut til å få vite dette, utenfor systemet.

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http://www.digi.no/926964/en-nav-ansatt-roper-ut
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Snylting på trygd og velferdsstaten provoserer folk (flest) langt meir enn myndighetenes ønske om kontroll. At det skal blir enklare for pakket å sende trygda heim til lollistan er isolert sett en negativ konsekvens av cryptocurrency.

The fundamental issue is the level of control that the government is pushing upon its citizens, or shall we say 'slaves'.

- Is it okay in the future to take DNA from all newborns? After all it would solve a lot of crimes.

- Is it okay to implant a chip in all citizens, so that they can constantly be monitored, wherever they go? This surely would solve a lot of crimes!

The fundamental problem is that the Govt. is eroding the rights of the citizens step by step. Norway is not the worst, but read about Indefinite detention, where a number of countries hold citizens in jail without a trial.

There are numerous incidents where law abiding citizens have gone through an absolute nightmare before being released.

At the core of the issue is that as long as we accept that control is tightened year by year, eventually we will have no freedom.

"They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

As for fraud in Norway in general, look at all the state projects that have spiraled out of total control with huge amounts of money wasted. Some people would claim this is a crime against the population.  Is this less worse than fraud conducted by persons exploiting the well-fare system?

Anyway, to again go to the core of the issue:

If I withdrew a certain amount of USD and kept them in a bag, because I wanted to go to somewhere in Africa and start a business, this would be absolutely nothing the Norwegian govt. should concern themselves with. What's at stake here is personal freedom, the money you own is yours. If the government suspect that you've evaded taxes, then that is a case for them to investigate. They should not put in a rule that affected all citizens freedom to attempt to combat a certain problem.

How would you like if you got stopped several times and checked at random intervals in every major city, because the Govt. wanted to make sure that you carried no firearm or knife on your person? They could easily use the excuse that this is to prevent robberies and rapes.

Or how would you like it if you a few times a year was visited by a government entity that demanded urine and blood samples to check whether you use any type of drugs. You would have no idea where that information went afterwards, and minor offences could in effect ruin your life, but it sure would solve a lot of crimes!

How far should we allow this to develop, that's the question?


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Snylting på trygd og velferdsstaten provoserer folk (flest) langt meir enn myndighetenes ønske om kontroll. At det skal blir enklare for pakket å sende trygda heim til lollistan er isolert sett en negativ konsekvens av cryptocurrency.
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And then we can ask ourselves, who are the terrorists? How many people have died in genuine terrorist attacks, and how many people have died for the hands of soldiers commanded by a government in wars and conflict zones around the world? And how many people have died in deadly retaliation for terrorist attacks?

you made several relevant points, but this 1 hit the home run . . .
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yeah we should definitely ban shoes & jackets. . . how about a poll?
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Social democracy in a nutshell - "Don't worry, it's for your own safety. "What? No, of course you don't have a say in it"

I grew up as a typical labor party kid. Then I grew up.

(I did not read the article, I'm just venting)
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http://www.nrk.no/norge/vil-ha-strengere-valuta-regler-1.11517300

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Toll- og avgiftsdirektoratet vil at personer som tar med større pengebeløp ut av Norge må oppgi hvor pengene kommer fra, hva de skal brukes til, hvem som eier dem og hvem som skal motta dem.

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Mistenker terrorfinansiering
I november i fjor sa Politiets sikkerhetstjeneste til NRK at de mistenker at penger som blir samlet inn i Norge, sendes til terrorgrupper i Syria. Det skal være snakk om store summer.

So, the solution to deal with terror financing is to inconvenience everyone that travels with larger sums of cash?

How about we ban jackets and shoes altogether? I'm pretty sure that terrorists and smugglers of money that fund terrorists uses jackets and shoes. If we banned this outright, we would probably have no terrorism!

Terrorism is the new pedophile, think of the children line, but the true reason is always that of control. How nice is it not to have a register of everyone and where they get the cash and where they spend it? I'm pretty sure if a man makes a few trips to Pakistan with considerable cash, that will be reported to the tax man. So it's not about catching terrorists, but about controlling the money flow and taxation.

And meanwhile the real terrorists will find ways to smuggle money anyway. The real big bad guys, just use the existing financial bank system anyway. [HSBC]

And then we can ask ourselves, who are the terrorists? How many people have died in genuine terrorist attacks, and how many people have died for the hands of soldiers commanded by a government in wars and conflict zones around the world? And how many people have died in deadly retaliation for terrorist attacks?

Guys, this is not about terrorism - it's about control and power.

And how's this relevant to bitcoin? Well, with bitcoin you can avoid these limitations that the govt. is suggesting to put on cash. That is not a call to use Bitcoin for illegal purposes, remember Bitcoins can be traced as well, but it is a call for freedom. Freedom is fundamental to man, and any person should have the right to spend and use his/her money privately as he or she sees fit without government intervention.
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