Topic: The productive capacities of an individual to the society. (Read 395 times)

I couldn't agree more on the importance of self-reliance. Focusing on personal growth and developing our independence is crucial, ultimately making us responsible for our own lives. However, this shouldn't equate to complete individualism. As social creatures, many things are simply impossible to achieve alone. Certain matters, like those requiring governmental intervention or collaborative effort, necessitate reaching out for support and working together. Recognizing our interconnectedness strengthens our communities and allows us to accomplish far more than we could individually.

Both the government and the governed should complement each other. While the masses are trying so hard to improve on themselves by acquiring the basic skills and knowledge needed for self development, the government should also create a conducive environment for the people so they can carryout out their businesses or plans effectively. We know that when the people are given the necessary incentives needed, the country as a whole will be advancing .

A person might have productive capabilities and still not be productive if the environment he is living in is not encouraging his efforts. A person who wants to set up an enterprise might have to deal with the issue of poor road network to the site which he intends to set up the enterprise, including other forms of barriers. This is why many will choose to relocate to other countries where their skills, talents and efforts will be appreciated.

this is why escaping from poverty require so much effort but frankly speaking the government has given so many ways to escape poverty from scholarship, micro business loan and so on, there's ways for us but sometime people are just don't want to take advantage of it, wanna study in college, just follow free online college then we can get degree build our way from scratch, easier to say than be done, but definitely can be done.
this is why government favour anyone that are productive to the society, though yes they impose taxes to them a little bit higher than usual if compared to the normal people but government will always give some facilities like big capital for loan for them to grow business ands o on.
agreed 100% withn this statement, productive doesn't necessarily means inventing something that could change the world, by just working we are already productive, we are getting things done and as a result we got paid, then we contribute to the government through taxes as you stated.
as long as we get the job done, we are productive enough.

All the governments wanted to provide better facilities and create new opportunities for their people or at least that is what they claim publicly, but in many countries this doesn't happen. Anyone think about why people have such low moral values in some countries? A persons moral value needs to be created from his childhood and all these people who are always vocal about a country's corruption don't talk about why their youths are getting drug addicted and why the government failed miserably to solve this issue. If we can create a generation that has high moral values, half the job is already done. They are the ones that will create the foundation that will serve the nation for the next few generations.

That's right, your success actually depends on your own abilities, not because of the goodness of your government, it's just that the role of government is also very important for a person's success, access to education and good health can make a person's chances of success greater, besides that, infrastructure will also boost economic growth. which makes a person's chances of success in running a business greater.
The conclusion in my opinion is that a person's ability and also the role of the government have a fairly balanced portion in boosting a person's success and the role of parents is also important.

Well then life is already sorted. Because what you explaining is nothing but the corporate life for us. You have a corporate job, that is stable 9-5 clock work mode, you chill out with your family on werkends and try to manage financials on monthly basis. Depending on how things are working out in terms of investment one individual end up paying high taxes while the other one would just pay nothing because they adopted various government schemes.

If an individual is within the government then they would be enjoying foremost benefits easily. They get lot of exemptions and their contribution is nothing but the government duty itself. Basically we all are automatically in a loop system where our actions are contributing to the society indirectly or directly.

Many people cannot think like you because they are totally dependent on the government.  Due to extreme poverty or lack of education, many people lead their lives under the regime.  But the government cannot fully support them and that is normal because the government cannot fulfill the complete needs of a person.  But we all should be self-reliant from our own place.  One should manage one's life properly and develop oneself as a social asset.  When you yourself are financially stable, you can invest in social activities.

Every human being certainly has advantages in their respective fields and it is not possible for everyone to be the same. It is indeed an obligation for the government to be able to empower every human being who does not yet have skills so that they can have skills that they can work on to be able to have an income that can meet their needs and If the government cannot do this then we are obliged to look for skills that we really like and learn them, because if we don't have any skills it will be very difficult to work productively.

If someone does not have skills and is also lazy in developing themselves, they will become parasites on other humans and can only take advantage of other people because they are lazy in developing themselves to be productive.

All humans have their own strengths and sometimes they are weak in one item and strong in another item. Well, this is where sometimes training is also needed to increase capacity which was previously only limited to the basics. In this way, there are additional things that can be done and this is where technical guidance is needed to maximize its implementation in the future in investment efforts.

The government's helping hand is also quite helpful and should not be ruled out because permits and other things are also in the hands of the government if one day it needs a place in implementation when it starts to develop.

Individuals are responsible for themselves, but people are not equally gifted, capable, and so on. Where there are gaps, the government fills. This is the main purpose of the government. There are people in the society that need to be empowered, equipped, assisted in one way or another. Sometimes, the government has to intervene because these people can't just be left on their own. But it's going to be a meeting somewhere. People can't be parasites.

In fact, the government of a country has the responsibility to improve the welfare of its people (depending on the country) but not all governments are able to cover it all so there must be self-awareness to improve quality or self-development in various aspects, having skills, one of which is an example.
In this way, when society has sufficient capacity, it can create its own prosperity without depending on anyone, including the government, and even many people around it are helped.
Of course this is quite important in life.

Self development is important,the governments is not responsible for that,only you can improve your living to achieve your goals.The government only enacts the rules and regulations governing the country and leaves you unprepared or unguarded.It's now up to you to examine yourself to adapt to them.The self awareness you create for youself will guarantee your chances of manifesting your goals pertaining to your desired lifestyle.
 Self-control is important because it helps you resist temptation in many social situations and enable you make better decisions.Most times the government wants you to live an independent life,but they won't create it.But Just so you don't want to end up as a juvenile delinquents,you need to regulate your thought,emotions to live a desirable life.

Well, a lot of individuals has stressed of their illegibilities  to adhere and  accept that the contexts of this thread was clearly understood as my instincts was inspired. So however, there is no necessity of me arguing since majority has stressed pertaining the structures of the thread being irrelatable but @Fortify, I got no bond of any of the electronic machines as you may have accused or should I said falsefully said?
Cool. I submit to my  inability of unfindable statements and unconstructive threads to be understood by others.
However, I would have to edith and make it briefly understood. This is not that the thread was meaningless but only that my "6" seems "9" to the ones opposite me and so of course their "6" would seems to be me "9".

While we agrees that life is understanding, please let me have the chance to edit better for everyone's understanding so we could all flow and have this an interesting worth topic for discussion.
Thank you @fortify and much thanks to all!

Yes, independency is a product of the mindset, and nothing more, because in life, not everything a person needs that will be provided by the government of his/her state, hence your ability to have a criteria mindset of not relying on government, but been industrious is one thing that will save many from the issue of blame factor many always do when the government fail to provide basic amenities, because for me, with my many years of experience, I have come to realize that wealth creation, is the ability of one to be able to offer solution to problem, and not while waiting for government, of which the only way to offer a solution to problem is when you have a skill, (i.e either physical or digital).

There is one thing I do believe as a good citizen of my country and that if anyone could do that it would be more beneficial to them, which is putting all efforts to the government has really redicled most people in their country waiting for whitescholar job or even wanting for the government to care appropriate care of their social which includes our wellbeings. At the moment you as a citizen fails your obligation as a human the next is to apportioned blames on government for not keeping up a standard you've never sets for yourself so why not at first develop yourself and think of what to do to make your country a better place to inhabits.

I'm having difficulties in deciphering your post, but I think it has to do with individual economic sustainability and that of government.
However you must understand that there is some responsibility given to the individual and there are some responsibility also giving to government. government are the ones in charge of our revenue, they are the storekeepers of our wealth, so even if that we have some responsibility assigns to us as individuals, the much responsibility is on the side of the government to make life easy for everybody in a society.

The government is responsible to create an enabling environment for businesses to strive, for agriculture to strive and also build infrastructure for the well-being of the citizenry. So as an individual whatever business you want to go into, the government have already made it easy for you to grow and sustain your business and for you to support the economy by paying tax back to the government. so in all everybody has its own responsibility in a given society.

I am just using some words as reference to just guess the possibilities of what you mean here OP because to be honest I am confused here.
Maybe you are trying to say here is that an individual must have this skill, abilities, knowledge, energy, perseverance and responsibility to achieve it's goal and may help the society and the economic growth of a particular country. Well for me, this may not be a mandatory thing but as an individual that has willingness to help other people in the society, it is like you are helping the whole country's economy.



*I am a bit confused with what you mean here OP please next time make it clear so we can understand what you really are trying to say. If you can rephrase it OP then please do it right now. I am not a native English speaker as well but I am trying to use simple words here to make it more comprehensible.

OP, you need to check your text. My eyes pop out when I read so many abstruse words. It's harmful, and not just for the eyes . Try using the error correction, at least on this site. https://app.grammarly.com/
But as far as the topic is concerned, naturally, a normal, developing society requires literate people who are fully interested not only in their personal goals but also in how their skills and education will benefit society. Everything should work together; you shouldn’t expect some kind of privilege only from the state; everyone needs to be a worthy member of society with the right moral qualities.

the main question is what is the purpose of a government.
then whats the purposes of the taxes
then what is the purpose of the individuals

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the answers can come in 2 combinations

a. government exists to optimise production, subsidising businesses.
where individuals need to push passed their own health tolerances to contribute to fund the taxes that pay the businesses
meaning citizens need to be productive and not subsidised if they are not contributing

b. government exists to backstop/insure hardships, subsidising those in need when times are hard.
where businesses and those able pay a % of income to fund the taxes that pay those in need
meaning businesses need to be productive and not subsidised so that funds can be used to insure those in real need

its a question of do you believe in trickle down or trickle up economics.
should we be helping citizens in need or big business in greed

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imagine you had a local neighbourhood that contributed towards a neighbourhood for all/anything you could think of
the neighbourhood includes some employing offices, retail, factories aswell as residents of all demographs
demographs from too young to work, too old to work, and those of working age that can and cant work

who/how/what way would you want the neighbourhood to contribute to the neighbourhood fund and how would you then use
the funds

That's a mouthful with a lot of flowery words, but all you're trying to say is that an individual must have 'something' to offer to the society in order for them to be considered as productive. Most are just getting jobs, paying taxes, and live without offering anything valuable to the society and they're still considered 'productive' through their task. You don't have to offer something special, really. Just work, pay taxes, pay bills, buy your needs/wants, and you are deemed productive.

I will think you are talking about self reliance and having a personal mindset. Yes I totally agree that being independent and believing in your ability can lead someone into greatness but to have a personal mindset might not be all for me because we also need to hear and listen to someone else on what they have to say or contribute to what we are set to do even if we still want to go ahead with what we believe to do. Like they say, there is sense in every nonsense and perhaps listening to such nonsense might help make better and informed decision.

Wow, good job using a bunch of ridiculously long and unnecessary words that look like they were churned out by an AI program. Ironically a discussion about how people should be focused and driven to achieve by their own internal desires, looks like it was artificially generated by someone without a brain and too lazy to come up with the content of a thread themselves. What exactly is your question here, because I don't see a single question mark? Are you simply stating that a person can be successful if only they have a government who has built the infrastructure of the country out to such an extend, that they support education and a legal system which is imperative for a stable economy? Because that is not a question, but an obvious statement..

Like a few other people, I want to say I'm not sure what the op's main point is. I understand all the words, but I find it hard to grasp how they come together.
The way I understand it, the post is about how much a person should rely on oneself vs how much should be expected from the government/society, and the op's position is that people should rely on themselves.
To that, I'd say that it's good to rely on oneself in general, but I believe it depends on the kind of economy a person lives in. If it's a country with very centralized economy and restrictions, then relying on oneself can put a person in a very difficult position, perhaps lead to imprisonment. If it's a social welfare kind of country, I think it's okay to rely on the country for some support and services when they are needed, and if it's a more traditional capitalist country, it's okay to be upset about how much is in the hands of corporations. So different behaviour is appropriate in different countries, and different economies offer different opportunities.

Though, I agree with you to an extent, you said something about people not relying on anyone for survival, but I want to tell that this is natural everyone was not meant to hustle without the help of anyone, I don't know if I will say that it luck that plays sometimes because there are people who never suffered for a day but they are doing great, some people got their job on first application but some has applied many places but to no avail, to me this is not about individuality, but I think there is something to this which I can't tell.

In developed nations government don't provide job, but they create enabling and conducive environment to attract or bring in investor and this investors will be given a quota of the citizens to be employed on the side of the government or the community, government of many countries has failed but individuals has to buckle up.

The economy of a country would be strong if it has a equally strong and robust private sector that is thriving successfully. The private sector would help reduce the burden the government would otherwise have to carry. The private sector helps reduce the unemployment rate and that in turn help builds the economy.

Obviously, we should not have to wait on the government to make good out of yourself but the government has to put in place policies that would help the private sector grow. Aside policies, an enabling environment would go a long way to enable small business start up and thrive. Without a suitable environment as well as helpful policies enforced by the government, there’s little an average individual can do to be productive for himself and the society.

There are some fault of citizens but government also don't provide opportunities of job to its citizens so if they have completed their degrees but have no job then they regret for their hardworks because they haven't yet get rewards for their hardwork. If there was enough job in country then no one will desire for a job in abroad because no one wants to live a life without family.

On the other hand if we think about the increasing population then government can provide more resources as a result of which employ should be more in number and will work better to carry out all necessary works to give benefit to all citizens of a country. We should also not put whole burden on government because we will take some steps to achieve our dreams otherwise government alone will be unable to give all necessary resources to all humans across the country.

I don't know about the Government attending to their responsibilities assigned to them by the constitution.

Because in my experience, what's all matter to them is how to collect taxes from their citizens as much as possible. They don't even have a solid plan regarding about how to make their citizens be productive and have a much better wage regardless of whatever job they have to bring out their capabilities as an individual in the society.

Nowadays, most of the government are just a joke. It's just a way for them to steal a lot of money without being punished by the law because you have the power to bend the rules.

Individual production is important, but don't put all your eggs in one basket. Governments don't only regulate; they unleash potential. Their stage lets individual talents flourish. As people, we must be proactive, but supportive policies and economic systems fuel this fire.

Personally, I admire self-reliance and goal-setting, but let's complicate. Not only going solo; recognizing how our activities are intertwined. Your success can inspire others, and your financial savvy can teach your neighbor. So, while focusing on our aims, let's keep an eye on the wider picture - a society where individual victories add to a communal success story, a tapestry woven from various yet connected strands.

Being financially strong and boosting society's well-being isn't just the government's job but that doesnt mean the government shouldnt be that way too. They should be better. Individuals need to step up too, especially if theres nothing to rely on. Personally, I think it's important to be self-disciplined and staying focused on your goals

I think I understand what you mean, sure everyone has a role to play in national building, the government should not be given sole responsibility of everything, individuals should thinking of what to offer the society in other to maintain balanced society in terms growth, infrastructural development and human capital development, but for all this to be achievable the government has a major role to play, those roles are discovering talents and making those talents to see the light of the day.

The government should think about investing in humans through a direct or indirect system, direct system is by establishing a career building organisation or working with private firms to actualize this within a short period of time, everyone has something to offer but most people wasting those talent untapped because of either lack of sponsorship or negligence, any economy that wants growth will do everything possible to bring in best thinkers and productive minds to hit the ground running.

There is a macro and micro economy in which the government is responsible for the macro economy, which includes stability of the exchange rate, the provision of basic services such as electricity and transportation at affordable prices, a good tax rate, and the possibility of providing social support and care, but it cannot make everyone rich, but rather it can improve the living situation of the poor class and will be a strong middle class.
While the well-being of individuals is the responsibility of the microeconomy, which is affected by the ideas and capabilities of individuals and the amount of assets they have compared to expenditures.

When someone is hoping and butting all his survival to be dependent on others what they will always end up getting is disappointment lot of people in some society today and unemployed and they also don’t have any tangible thing doing which is as a result of them believing it’s the right and duty of the government to always make provision for them in all some also put the blame on there rich relatives for not helping and all of that when their issue started the moment they start feeling everyone owes them something, productivity start from one’s own mind, you think first bring those ideas into life and after that you can then look for opportunities to put those ideas into practice.

An Individual can try hard as much as he/she can and can succeed too but the conversion rate of middle-class people to successful entrepreneurs depends only in the hands of policymakers. If the country doesn't support start-ups and subsidizes the need for capital and other legal procedures then not much can pass through the complicated system so even with all efforts only few can succeed.

I understand from the perspective you are taking the discussion and I will agree with you that self-reliance is much needed in one's life to achieve success in an ever-changing and competitive environment. In an environment were virtually everyone is fending for themselves and looking for an end's meet. However, I feel like there's limitations to how far we can go, financially and human resource wise when we work alone.

In the event that we need to achieve bigger tasks, working in group is always better than to work in isolation, it is always great to have a few team of people that you come together with to achieve certain goals. Sometimes, only you cannot pull out the financial wherewithal to achieve some tasks until you collaborate with other partners who can also pull out resources to achieve such projects.

This is why and where administration came into existence. The need for administration came as a result of plans to accomplish bigger tasks. And the advent of administration has seriously brought about massive development that we witness today as a people, states and countries. Administration starts from a family and then grows up to a community, provinces, states and country, and of recent, the global community.

 From the little I was able to grab from the Op' s conflicting post is that he's trying to say an individual is supposed to be financially stable and independent, not relying on the government to provide even though they ought to. Well you won't blame those who are reliant on the government to provide these necessities because most times,when they are campaigning, they make sure to add that there'd be mass job creation to help the unemployed and as such, there's hope that jobs will be created and if such doesn't happen, you find that these citizens lose hope in them.
 It is necessary to arm your self with a skill or two especially if you find yourself in a country like mine where good paying jobs are hard to come by if you don't have one or two connections since the system is corrupt. It's so bad that there is little to no difference between a graduate and someone who isnt when it comes to getting jobs because as there are no white collar jobs easily gotten for them, they have to settle with anyone they find(that's if they don't really have a skill).


PS: Op, it's not mandatory that you speak big grammar, just do what the average reader can understand instead of jumbling your words simply because you want to come off learned.

I think so, I thought of same thing too, but honestly the OP's point in his post is a bit vague. Or maybe I am the one who don't understand

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Even though it is true that every individual is responsible for their own success, but government policy significantly affect how much opportunity we can get. For example if government put an extremely strict rule for business investment there would be less opportunity for the people because rich people would hesitant to put their money into business which make less job available.

Am I correct to assume that OP is talking about the ability of someone's independence (or being able to not rely on the government for example) equals capability? They have their responsibilities though OP. To describe it I guess the government provides a foundation of sorts for the basic needs as well as the general development of the area they govern in. That doesn't mean that an individual relies solely on the government though, it's more of a mutual relationship(in a perfect world) since an individual also has responsibilities for the government such as taxes and whatnot.

Honestly, if you were to have the belief that relying on someone or something, especially in times of need to build a foundation of yourself, I can only say you're making it harder for yourself.

A quality write up does not mean you jam your sentences with incorrect and unnecessary vocabulary@OP. By doing so, you confuse some readers and make your point more difficult to grasp and reduce engagement.

 I get what you are trying to ask, but it was possible for you to express this in a simpler manner for readers to easily understand you.

I also do agree with the OP's statement but remember that not all individuals has the same situation or status in life sad reality no matter what you said about individuality there are masses of people that relying on government these individuals are those who doesn't have the ability to study that's why they can't have a proper job to get a source of income, but also we can't blame government into this or that ots government's responsibility, but practically yes they responsible of helping those in need but not to the extent that those people will rely all their needs to government no, even if you don't have the capability to have a proper job its your responsibility as an individual to find your way to have an income and not rely only to the government or other people, we should be independent, so that we will not rely on other because if they are not around then what will happen to us right?.

I do agree with this sentiment but an individual can only do so much on their own at some point the government also needs to provide a better system a lot of people in my country even after gaining a degree still do not have enough job opportunities in the country that is why they opt to leave the country resulting in brain drain and the rest that were left can not study because of their livelihoods

The government and the governed have separate responsibilities assigned to them by the Constitution. To have a prosperous society both entities must perform their roles.  The government must protect lives and properties and also ensure basic amenities are available for the citizens to enjoy. The citizens must also live peacefully, pay taxes, and ensure that these amenities are not misused, vote during elections, etc. But in my location both the government and citizens have failed to carry out their roles this is why the nation is underdeveloped. The government and the citizens have embraced corruption and this is why the nation is stagnated.

But as individuals should strive to contribute our quota to national development by being economically productive and politically sensitive. Regardless of the problems we are facing, we should work hard to ensure that we live a financially stable life. And also help advance our nation in any good way we can.

NB: I am finding it difficult to understand your post and will advise that you write using simple words to state your points. Using conflicting words makes your post hard to comprehend. I am also confused by the word "masses", I think the meaning should be the people and not the government.

Financial and economical capacity that is potentialed to enhance the society or regional welfares of the masses is primarily weighed by the individual capacities with the proportionalities dependencies of the individuals and the governments awareness, concerns and contributions to   possibly achieved a stable and reliable productive economy prides.

It is true that the regulatory and economy optimization is the responsibility of the government but a fascinating economic infrastructures is more sufficient if individuals is inspired with the credibilities of what to the for the masses (government) and not relentedly relying on what the masses (government) would do for them.
This is also a call security being responsibilities of everyone individuals and not giving it all up to the governments.

Personally, I am inspired with an utmost believe that the ability to accumulate the energy and knowledges to achieve a goal is aspired by when an individual is independently reliable to itself without the reliances of hoping on someone else even though there is a reputable. The essence is that you stays mindedly and focus with the agilities to reach out to your goals and targets.