Topic: The quality of this forum has gone down significantly (Read 695 times)

Your one line is not exactly enriching the discourse here either.

People have stated that the merit system has drained the blatant piss takers of their ammo and I agree with them. Also cryptotalk has lured many of the most dire posters too. It's still not great but it is better than it was.

Yeah Satoshi Nakamoto would be surely proud.

Don't go so harsh on OP; he's gone into hiding since 18th March and will only emerge after the pandemic.

Or, better yet, start paying bonuses, or just in general, for merited posts.

You'd see the quality of posts go drastically higher if merit had to be won in order for these campaigns to pay.

I feel like he just came to forum back again and started reading the stuff all over. May be he ended up on the another planet after reading rubbish which is actually logical talk over the time and as per the on going activities around us.

Oops! May be he forgot to catch up millions of things.

Go deeper in the forum and read! You cant just judge with single reading

Its better you comment what improvement you want rather than suggesting the forum quality is dropping.

Start the change from yourself man, then we will follow if you think its scrap everywhere and will improve.

Merit system is a proof that the quality of this forum have improved, how? I am not sure but as I have observed, topics are multiplying faster than before because users are wanting merit from other users in this forum, everytime a "subject matter" is having potential to be discussed in this forum, topics would immediately rain down, and IN MY OPINION, this makes this forum, more interactive. Also, when it comes to the moderators, they are more active on deleting and moving irrelevant topics, then properly segregating them to their 'proper' places in this forum.

I wonder one thing... has OP visited any other crypto forum in his life?
If you think this one is bad, you probably compared it to some other that is better.
I would like to found out more about that secret cryptoEldorado forum heaven  

Thus you also have to admit that the meir system that has been implemented for the past 2 years has changed the forum for the better and to be honest that I feel the same way. Theymos has worked wonderfully to make this forum a good and quality place to discuss about bitcoin and other matters related to this, the merit system is a great effort to reduce shitposting made by forum users.

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I think most forum users already know what the report to moderator button function and the OP need not bother to state that "now it's full of rubbish threads by "legendaries" whored accounts that discuss rubbish" because you can use the button to report one or two posts that you consider trash made by Legendary members. I know that there may be Legendary members who behave as you have mentioned, but I will oppose you if you say that all currently active Legendary members behave the same.

Not everything is the same and you have to call it as a certain person because not all of them and in my opinion this is a discriminatory statement against Legendary members who have contributed a lot in the forum.

Do you really think that the participants of the CM Signature Campaign are the biggest problem in this forum, especially in terms of the quality of their posts? Of the total 56 members who have CM signature, in last 3 weeks there is only 10 of them or less who post 50 or more post which entered the quota of paid posts.

I am not objective as a participant to talk about the quality of posts in CM signature campaign, but I think most members on this forum will agree that we are not shitposters who are only hunt our max weekly post quota. After all, all information is publicly available in our spreadsheet.

The fact that the OP laid this turd of post in meta, then skedaddled makes it look more like someone's troll account that anything else.  Maybe the OP has been around since 2010?  If so, why not post from your real account if you're concerned about the quality of posts on the forum?

If increasing the quality of the forum is the objective, explain what's so bad about it, make some practical suggestions, contribute in a way that will inspire people to follow your lead.

The pharmacist say while spamming bitmixer and foxpops avatar. Milking the forum for every cent it can squeezes out of it
Previously he was caught sneaking under a sock puppet to spam other sigs and got caught because he was attempting to move out of a campaign with that puppet account for one that had slightly higher payout.

When he was challenged to present his biggest achievement here in the last 5 years. He said it was getting on to the chipmixer sig campaign.
Lol at the problem with those just wanting to earn from sigs.
What a slimeball.
The OP is entirely correct. The "legends" that remain are a disgrace to their elders and betters.
The forum has suffered a huge brain drain. The standard of general debate and reason has plunge to a level where any average person can arrive and immediately recognised they are surrounded by imbeciles.

The alt market diluted itself to destruction for the majority of projects. So all those earning meager returns from gaming the board and bounties have paused. The next bull will see them return.

The technical board's will retain a certain level since they key contributors and enthusiasts are largely untouched by the other board's.
A ton of bots and spammers that you could avoid to a large degree have left for now. A huge number of excellent contributors and sharp minds are long gone. Before 2013 and certainly before 2016 the was always numerous interesting debates and discussions where you would learn something useful. Now most of the boards are regurgitated "opinions" that ate poorly considered.  Not that it matters because it's usually an opinion on something entirely moronic.

This is the problem when most are here to make up their chipmixer max quota.
It is still a valuable resource for information but not meta board.

This is really a great suggestion, but I doubt campaign managers will agree, they need more exposure for the campaign. But imagine without the pressure of achieving the minimum post required, or having lower mimimum post requirement, they can be relaxed in understanding and researching the topic before posting something just because they needed to. They can have more time of research especially when the topic is a little bit difficult to comprehend. This way, the forum will have more constructive post.

True words my friend, true words

Don't we all? For those who say "for the tech" or non-monetary profit, I call BS.

Yes, that's one of the reasons, that the signature changes a person's quality when targeted to have to complete 60 posts a week.
Especially when the yobit signature makes old accounts come back to life and fills the forum with lots of junk posts.

But for accounts that do contribute a lot to the forum, the posts they make remain in control and not out of topic, the quality of the post remains priority..

You still don't. You care about potential money it can bring you

Many joined during the boom. Even I myself discovered this forum when the interest spiked up. Before that, I didn't even give two shits about crypto

I joined in aug 2017, and tbh quality wise this forum is at far better place than before.

I think this is true in the digital goods market place. I remember when I joined it wasn't so bad, but now it just seems to be hacked accounts and such without actual solid things for sale.

isn't it already full of rubbish discussion even before? but the thing is since the forum grew so much this forum is now more than just about the talks about bitcoin and it is inevitable to have a rubbish discussion. and
to be honest, the forum is a lot better than before.

I expected OP to have been registered in 2010 or something. Instead it's 2017. It is really saying that quality here is lower than it was then when it was heaving with ICO garbage and bounty zombies?

Perhaps they're thinking of somewhere else.

Yup.
As i already stated, in the thread you linked, even 1000 satoshis can add up if it's coming from dozens or hundreds of sources daily

This comes from a person which claims that 99% of people on this forum only shitposting in order to make some money, and what is even greater irony from person who claim to make 1.125 B per month, but in the same time is shitposting for how much, 1000 satoshi per post?

I'm not going to completely disagree with you there, but what if the reason why these "legends" are actually earning merit on their threads is actually because their threads are actually constructive and helpful? Think about it.

I have no idea about forum quality in it's early days, but I started  occasionally checking forum in the late 2017 during that craze, and I don't remember being in any better state than it is now. Might be wrong though as I was just lurking, and couldn't even bother to register.
People tend to look at the past through rose tinted glasses, blocking the bad stuff and focusing on the positive. Might be the case here as well.

I think that you just answered yourself 

Welcome back, and I look forward to joining your quality discussions.

Doubt that theymos will add some scripts to forum engine. So far I know that CryptopreneurBrainboss translated people posts (by Chromes autotranslate) and reads them by diagonal to see if persons writes crap or not. Also I've read that yahoo62278 doesn't allow to posts be made quicker than 1 post per 30min. He believes that it is impossible to write 2-5 eligible posts per half an hour and that kind of posting as "burst-posting".

How about a new system that will rate users' posting quality. Something in machine learning, that would analyze previous posts made and give a mark which would be shown under Activity and Merit on the users' profile every time they post. But it's not easy to write a program that would be able to mark posts properly because sometimes a post consisted of two words can be way more informative than an article.

May I answer instead of him?

I suppose these low quality posts are made by people who wear signatures, that pays for each post. And participants prefer quantity over quality.  These campaign need bounty managers like yahoo or CryptopreneurBrainboss. They not only just count number of posts per week, but also give warnings if the quality is low, drop from campaign or put on a blacklist from participating in their campaigns.

The worst period of the forum is in late of 2017 that triggered the very serious action of theymos. From that we have, restricted boards and the merit system - that was also improved to derank old-era Junior members to newbies if they did not earn a single merit.

All of them, especially the merit system help the forum to become better and there are less rubbish posts than before.

Bitcoin's rises and falls are correlated with posting in the forum. It is especially right if we look at rubbish posters. ICOs and IEOs die out and their income from posting decreases to nearly zero, so they stop posting rubbish.

you forgot two major changes:
1. slow death of ICOs (aka scams) which practically put an end to a huge number of spammers trying to get some tokens for the "work" they were doing.
2. end of 2 major Yobit spam campaigns which didn't have any cap for number of users and led to a lot of alt account wake ups and mass spam.

You joined Bitcointalk in late 2017, and you think the current state is worse? Bruh. If you think threads right now are rubbish, what more in late 2017? I'd say Bitcointalk's current state is great compared to the past as a lot of people stopped due to the merit system and a lot of people capitulated due to bitcoin's drop in price.

Can't agree more, but what can be done? It's all about the campaign exposures in the end.

If you dislike those members, just add them to your Ignore list.

I'm curious about your criteria to judge a rubbish thread or not.
Can you give examples (links) and a bit of explanation why you think they are rubbish?
Anyway, if you know some rubbish threads, you can use "report to moderator" feature. Have you done it?  

WOW, it seems you have an ideal crypto/Bitcoin forum. Can you tell us what forum it is? AFAIK, bitcointalk is still the best forum I've ever known. CMIIW

Check this: https://coindiligent.com/5-best-cryptocurrency-forums-to-start-using-today

Sig campaigns + shitposting + low membership value go hand in hand.

Like The Pharmacist mentioned, there are quite a few Legendary/Hero members who actually take the forum seriously, and while they do participate in signature campaigns, they do in-fact post quality posts.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to produce extra money on the side, as long as the posts have merit. It is a tad bit annoying to see how many people shit-talk signature campaign members (and even create mass ignore lists against them) when they know that it's mostly just the newbie members causing the problems, not the actual senior members.

Your post history indicates your break was after July 30, 2018. I don't know what you mean exactly because your OP isn't going into any detail, maybe you've visited Altcoin Discussion?

During your break many good posts were created, you only need to know where to search them. Of course you'll find some crap everywhere but it's easy to skip it, my impression is rather before you had your break, the forum was spammy.
Here are some interesting posts: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-it-needed-a-history-education-board-5232037

And there is much more, the list contains only a tiny part.

I was just exaggerating numbers for the purpose of making a point.
But i do agree, sig campaigns and shitposting goes hand in hand. Maybe not in the early 2012 so much, but definately around 2015-2016.

Any Legendary member (which OP referred to specifically) can make way more than $20/week, and I don't see them as being the problem with shitposts--maybe the drama threads, but members who've been around a few years tend to make interesting posts, if not always substantial ones.  It's usually the people who come here for the sole purpose of earning money through bounties that are the problem.

But anyway, I haven't seen any major decline in bitcointalk in the past few years.  It seemed to be waaay worse before the merit system was implemented, and that was over two years ago.  I'm also pretty sure the real decline started when signature campaigns took off, but that was around 2012 or so if I'm not mistaken.  It was certainly already bad when I registered in 2015.

How long was your break?

I mean, creating this thread doesn't really do much to improve quality.

Realistically, creating threads/posts that produce value, whether it be through the use of guides/tutorials/helpful information is what will work towards producing quality.

Hate to admit but all this thread is going to do is give people a place to increase post count.

Actually, the forum is improving in my opinion. Many people had quit since it became hard to gain easy profit but still, there is a lot of spamming and scamming going on especially in the altcoin section.

To extend on what btcltcdigger said, people tend to spam when they can't get the post requirement even though they may be seniors members with good posts history, you can't expect them to constructively post all the time. Just browse some topic in the beginner section, you will see people answering the same question many times. Though, we can avoid this if bounty managers lower the post requirement or for example cancel the minimum post requirement and impose a maximum so that members don't get forced to complete the requirement. This way, their payment will be proportional to their posts and they don't risk not getting paid.

Oh, the shame!  CobraJ says our forum is "full of rubbish!"  What ever should we do to appeal to his enlightened sense of value?  How can we ever repair our damaged self esteem?
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Well, after spending a little time going through your post history, I can say this with the utmost sincerity; you should have stayed on break.

And how does your statement contribute to an improvement?
I would be happy if you will write many good posts in the future to make the forum a better place.

Signature campaigns...
When you have to make 60 posts a week to make $20, people tend to shitpost all over the place.
Don't even look at the off-topic subforum, you'll find discussion ranging from mastrubation all the way to IMF

P.S: Yes, i understand the irony, me being in a sig campaign as well...

Whats your suggestion to improve the quality of the space? I want to understand you have been here before the last bullrun and your were active as then, you solve several problems as well. what do qualify a spam thread? There are fewer problems solve with threads in the forum unlike before, we need to make the space more attractive to real blockchain developers, investors and traders.

Hmm. Maybe you are looking at the wrong places. There are still lots of valuable discussions going in the forum.
Maybe you should check - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=6.0 & https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=4.0

Just wanted to share this. Came back from a break, now it's full of rubbish threads by "legendaries" whored accounts that discuss rubbish, looks like one of the fake forum on forumwarz. WTF.