Topic: The Rap genre is the last bastion of misogyny that no one talks about. (Read 329 times)

I agree.

It's interesting because Darwin was right. It's the fittest that survive. Fitness is the ability to thrive in the environment to pass on the genes. Previously, strength for men, and the childbearing ability for women. Fitness has changed a lot even in my generation. Our society is evolving way faster than our biology. (Come on scientist, let's get CRISPR to full gear).


I agree. The very nature of free speech is being challenged. There's a campaign to ban offensive speech.

Perhaps a bit too hard, I was generalising, which normally means ignoring many exceptions and the many differences among regions and countries.

You are right, there where the law of the strongest prevails, women are treated as property and need some protection. On plus, the "strongest" is not necessarily the strongest properly said, is more about cunning, lacks of morals, ability to push others and threaten, etc. That is, a bit more like the attributes of a gang leader. It is just the type of behaviour that you need to discourage in a healthy society.

I believe that some of the most lawful countries like Chile and perhaps Argentina do have some protests when serious crimes are committed. In others that would not matter, as the women status is just an extension of failed states and cartel based societies (I am thinking of Honduras and perhaps Guatemala).


The violence towards the weak and the need to look for protection, by becoming a de-facto slave or a "sicario", apply to both men and women.

As for the topic, R.A.P. is just art and it is very pure in the way it transmits something that is there. So people who are politically correct or too weak to learn this people´s truth and lives, just should stay away from it.

Those are some hard words, but this is a fucking nature state where the most strong wins, not the smartest. When a girl in Latin America get a boy is to get some kind of protection from other boys and from harassment, because that's a sad truth, the harassment to girls is an enormous problem we have in Latin America an people gives zero fucks about it, I mean no one is doing something to fight against that.

Actually, this is a fact of Democratic behavior seen over and over.

Just a couple of examples.

The "Willie Horton add."

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/12/08/a-look-back-at-the-willie-horton-ad/

The add was RACIST when and only when it reflected poorly on Demos.

And another...

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1071842715610968064

It's all about who you let get away with anything, and who you pick at for every bit of the smallest stuff.

lo, that was funny. That caught me off guard. lol

1) Because, SHUT UP.

2) Because, SHUT UP.

That's the liberal answer. Any questions?

I support feminism. But I think rap is just music. Misogyy exists, no doubt about it, a lot of rap songs have misogynyst lyrics, but rap is not causing further harm here. It is lashing out maybe, but people who don't think that way won't be converted to misogyny.

My general perception is that women in many latin american countries are more machist than the men themselves. A men who is not dominant, somewhat violent and stupidly pasional in his acts is deemed as "not a macho". The men as well grow in a culture that diminishes them as stupid fucksticks with no brains that have to show their manhood by drinking like animals and behaving as such.

Machism as much a "feminazism" ridiculise and diminish both men an women. Trying to determine an indivudial, telling them how to behave or branding them as the evil or the enemy for reason of their gender is just an attack on human freedom.

If you think Rap music is the last bastion of misogyny, let me introduce you to Reggaeton, the music gender where the woman isn't anything else than a piece of meat. Choose a random Reggaeton song and translate it, and you will understand how rap is an educated gender who respect women.

Fun fact, Latin America girls love Reggaeton, they don't agree with the lyrics but is nice music to dance.

Women love going to night clubs and the music there is mostly a combination of hip-hop and rap. Next time you are in a night club pay attention when a song like Gold Digger starts - all the women will go crazy and start dancing. The problem is not in the lyrics and rap as they will also sing the lyrics that objectifies them. 

Any form of art must be as free as posible. Being politically correct is an undesirable quality in art, it must break our standards, our assumptions and, in the case of R.A.P. it describes a reality that is there even if you don´t like it.

So as far as I am concern and regarding arts, f**k correctness and hypocrisy.

Regarding the #metoo , I would say that all these persons that are now accusing are the same ones that by not reporting it when they should have, because they were afraid of the consequences, allowed the predators to go on unstopped for many years. Like most "social movements" is just a mixture of half truths, the trendy thing, the need for TV air time and overall makes little difference in the lives of those who don´t have the means to go public or are afraid to face the consequences.

While I support fully the need for awareness and I think that abusers, as far as I am concerned, should be treated with extreme severity, I can nothing but hold the victims responsible for allowing the same thing to happen to others by not speaking up when they should have. Many of them built their careers using any mean they had available and took their own decision of not reporting and not doing anything when they were (allegedly) abused, and now they are trying to pose as defenders of their gender.

A movement built on half truths and a self-assigned moral superiority of people that have nothing to loose by making public accusations is not raising the right kind of awareness, yet weakening the cause.

Today it occurred to me that there are two glaring political / media hypocracies that no one is talking about. This kind of demonstrates how the media ignores certain demographics on purpose.
Here they are:
(1) Rap music. Don't get me wrong. I love rap music. I always have. Eminem, T, Snoop, Luda, Drake, Lil Wayne, and countless others. The question I have, is why doesn't the media harp on them? After all, they go after everyone in the public who steps out of line. Morgan Freeman, James Franco, chef Mario Batali, Nick Carter, Louis C.K, Aziz Ansari, Dustin Hoffman, Richard Dreyfuss, George Takei, and the list goes on. Most of these 15-20-year-old allegations with no criminal charges or any evidence. Maybe they are true, maybe not. Due process with law enforcement should have been done before public accusations. Too sad really.

Ok, so back to rap. If women's rights and safety were paramount (which I do think is important), then why aren't rap artists being called out for the promotion of all and every form of misogyny? Personally, I have no problem with the content of rap. I think it's fun and allows me to cathartically unwind. It's fun. Even my wife thinks it fun, some of the time, lol.

Check out this video. It's about changing rap. It's made by SNL. Very funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAL0wZu4JUg

"Equal rights for that booty"

(2) Bill Clinton

In the #metoo movement, there is a legitimate increase in public awareness of sexual abuse, and it's many forms. I do agree that there does need to be  more awareness and consequences of abuse. I do think that where the movement went wrong was the public outcry of public figures without due process. the public tends to take the alleged victums side. As a father of two sons, this is concerning. Even Neil Degrasse has had unsubstantiated claims that have recently hurt his career.

Why hasn't Bill Clinton been called out for the Monica Lewinsky abuse? He was the most powerful political figure at the time. He wanted a BJ from an intern. By today's standards that is not true consent right?