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rpietila

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Quote from: rhinospray on April 13, 2013, 05:45:13 PM

I cashed out half of my earnings when it was clear that we were in bubble mode, at 20x my initial investment (after being bitten twice by bubbles I finally applied the two rules of sound investment: earn money and let others win the last dollar)

Now I have 10x my investment in EUR, that will go back to diversified value investment that, till now has been the best protection for my money.

I also had 10x in bitcoins, but then you know what happened this week. If bitcoin manages to transition from a binary commodity to a currency and a safe haven, I will be only half the millonaire I could have been. Otherwise it will collapse to 0 as people understand it has no other value. I will try to anticipate that and save the little left.

And if everything goes wrong, then I will dig up the two kilos of gold buried in the garden ten years ago, split it in small pieces, and try to survive with that.

I think the "cash out a part at 10x profit" is a viable strategy if you have the need for the money or have another investment to diversify to.

I, for example, don't need the money. I am making more than I need every day. Also I don't have other investments that could deliver even nearly the same returns as bitcoin. So I am prepared to invest more and more into bitcoin and never cash out. The number of my bitcoins will only ever grow. If the protocol is destroyed, but the world somehow is not, I have enough gold and silver. But I don't have the urge to cash out of bitcoins no matter how high it goes. If anything, I will divert a part of the daily earnings to something else than bitcoins, just for diversification's sake.

rhinospray

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Quote from: rpietila on April 13, 2013, 03:48:19 PM

Quote from: rhinospray on April 13, 2013, 03:44:21 PM

The only people that has earned something here are those that already have cashed out more than they cashed in.

The rest are Schrödinger's suckers. They will not know if they have earned money until they cash out

Yes, nobody can be sure whether he's made a good investment, before he has wasted the money.

Before that, you will never know.

You honestly think USD is some kind of end-all? I think that gold is. But we are both wrong.

Before that, you will never know.

I don't know so I have minimized my options to be wrong.

I cashed out half of my earnings when it was clear that we were in bubble mode, at 20x my initial investment (after being bitten twice by bubbles I finally applied the two rules of sound investment: earn money and let others win the last dollar)

Now I have 10x my investment in EUR, that will go back to diversified value investment that, till now has been the best protection for my money.

I also had 10x in bitcoins, but then you know what happened this week. If bitcoin manages to transition from a binary commodity to a currency and a safe haven, I will be only half the millonaire I could have been. Otherwise it will collapse to 0 as people understand it has no other value. I will try to anticipate that and save the little left.

And if everything goes wrong, then I will dig up the two kilos of gold buried in the garden ten years ago, split it in small pieces, and try to survive with that.

But then an asteroid could impact earth, or North Korea could start a nuclear war or whatever.

So yes, you will never know

rpietila

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Quote from: rhinospray on April 13, 2013, 03:44:21 PM

The only people that has earned something here are those that already have cashed out more than they cashed in.

The rest are Schrödinger's suckers. They will not know if they have earned money until they cash out

Yes, nobody can be sure whether he's made a good investment, before he has wasted the money.

Before that, you will never know.

You honestly think USD is some kind of end-all? I think that gold is. But we are both wrong.

Before that, you will never know.

ElectricMucus

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Quote from: rpietila on April 13, 2013, 02:44:09 PM

I think there are no REAL suckers in this forum.. By just reading it for 7 days as I have done, I have pretty much absorbed enough to never have a chance of losing money with this.

My gut says you will be among the top10 suckers. Be sure to buy now Grin

rhinospray

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The only people that has earned something here are those that already have cashed out more than they cashed in.

The rest are Schrödinger's suckers. They will not know if they have earned money until they cash out

rpietila

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I think there are no REAL suckers in this forum.. By just reading it for 7 days as I have done, I have pretty much absorbed enough to never have a chance of losing money with this.

sStC9

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I'm making money until the price drops down to single digit pretty much. I have expanded my 1850 bitcoins further and now possess some 2000. To do this I sold off during the all time high and then I bought back during the lows. Still have some speculation coin but I'm too damn confused about this now so they're just sitting there.

alexh

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Definitely made profit, but bitcoin-24 got a part of it now... sucks.

Qoheleth

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Spurn wild goose chases. Seek that which endures.

Quote from: MatTheCat on April 13, 2013, 12:58:45 AM

If Bitcoin could get near to $150 again, I would short sell it in a minute of their was anyway that I could.

Bitfinex supports shorts.

mmortal03

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Does broken even count as Lost money or Made money?

MatTheCat

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Quote from: regular on April 12, 2013, 12:41:18 AM

must be all smart money here. It seems like everyone on the forums here sold at 200+ and bought back in the double digits. Any tips on how to spot opportunities like this for someone who just sat on the sidelines holding?

That is what you might call a dead cat bounce.

A portion of the speculative investors, rush back in at what they believe are fire sale prices, which of course has the effect of pushing price back up beyond what it might otherwise be. In the long run however, fresh capital will not be attracted to an asset that has suffered an almighty crash with all the lame ass'd excuses from the likes of Gox just spreading yet more fear and distrust of the whole system. With the lack of new investors, and the miniscule real economic transactions conducted using Bitcoin, the near term turbo charge back to the previous highs doesn't quite materialise, resulting in more and more hoarders looking to rake in profits, which of course drives the price down.

If Bitcoin could get near to $150 again, I would short sell it in a minute of their was anyway that I could.

dooglus

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Quote from: NikolaTesla on April 12, 2013, 12:20:01 AM

Are you up or down overall?

Since when, and using which measurement?

Qoheleth

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Spurn wild goose chases. Seek that which endures.

Realized gains are about 3 grand in FRNs, plus a few BTC, compared to the last time we were at this pricepoint.

If you want to include unrealized gains, I'm up about 12 grand since I bought in during the long stable period at $5.

Nesetalis

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i should say... From fall 2012 I had only maybe 1000$ USD worth of bitcoins... and very little fiat...
Today I have a few thousand USD worth of bitcoins, and I also lent 3,000$ USD to a room mate, purchased a 225$ monitor, 180$ shoes, and am sitting on a few thousand USD Tongue

Though I didn't sell or buy at the peaks or dips... I did well.

ehoffman

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Made 8K~9K$

But could have made a lot more...

Bought when it was 13$, and more at 45$.
Played it on alt-coins bubble, made 50% more BTC, then lost a lot, to finally come to the same amount I started with!
I also sold a few at 107$. I then sold all at 150$, re-bought higher, and re-sold everything at 230$.

So I could have made more, maybe double what I made, but hey, it's still pretty good! Now I'll put 8K in RRSP (nontaxable funds for retirement plan in Canada) and as cash advance to buy a house, and maybe do a trip with the rest (or from the RRSP tax return), I don't know yet...

EuroTrash

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er.. depends what currency you define money in.

- bought coins for fiat at a much lower price than they are at now. But I sold some so over time my BTC count diminished. Hence I lost BTC to inflationary fiat.
- sold some coins for fiat. Ended up with more fiat than I put in. So made money in USD.

antimattercrusader

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Quote from: mgio on April 12, 2013, 01:03:47 AM

It's funny, it's all about perspective.

I invested 10k, when bitcoin was at 65 at that 10k was 50k, I was ecstatic. It was an amazing return and a good amount of money.

When that turned to 200k, I was even happier.

But now two days later, when it 75k (at 100), I somehow feels like a lost a ton.

So I'm up, quite a bit, but I feel way down.

I bought in at $5 and $7... but I know exactly how you feel lol

niko

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There is more to Bitcoin than bitcoins.

Quote from: Krabby on April 12, 2013, 12:21:16 AM

Overall does not mean anything when you lose 50% of potential profit overnight :c

"Potential profit" does not mean anything. You either exchange btc to/from fiat, or you don't.

Coincrazy

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Quote from: shmadz on April 12, 2013, 12:53:21 AM

Quote from: Krabby on April 12, 2013, 12:21:16 AM

Overall does not mean anything when you lose 50% of potential profit overnight :c

*disclaimer* I am a miner, though I do speculate (poorly) with the leftovers

anyways, I lost a ton of "potential" profit by selling at 20, 40, 100, 150, etc... all the way up to 200 at which point I was tapped out (I have a small hoard of coins that I am not putting up on the exchange, just in case)

I can't call the tops, or the bottoms, and I've quit trying.

I just sell enough to pay the rent, and if I have extra, I'll just hold on. When the price goes ballistic I might sell a little more and consider buying more mining equipment, but asics are kinda ruining it for me. (I don't like that I can't just go to the store and pick up some hardware, maybe someday)

lately I've tried to just keep half and sell half, but during the run up I couldn't hold back and sold nearly 3/4 of all my coins...

I cashed out and bought silver, and I kind of regret it, because I had no money left in the account to buy back in when it dropped, but I don't worry too much 'cuz I'm still hoarding some, and I still can make a few per week...

but still, moving forward I think I will try to keep at least some kind of minimum amount of both BTC and fiat in my account so I can take advantage of moves that go way beyond my expectations.

beautiful reply

I liked the place where you said I can't call tops or bottoms .... I'm like that but probably NOT as composed as you are

by the way, i'm a complete newbie

could you help me understand what a wallet is (As a file) in little MORE than layman's terms and how to secure it in a purely windows environment (I've tried linux and given up)

I have used PGP to send receive mail and can understand a key pair

But I am NOT a programmer or a BTC miner

TIA
regards

crazy_rabbit

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RUM AND CARROTS: A PIRATE LIFE FOR ME

Quote from: BitcoinAshley on April 12, 2013, 07:24:57 AM

Quote from: Nesetalis on April 12, 2013, 12:22:12 AM

I have more bitcoins than I did last week.
I have more USD than I did last month.
Win Win.

This ^

Yeah but we kinda want it to be those amount X1000. But your right, can't be greedy.

BitcoinAshley

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Quote from: Nesetalis on April 12, 2013, 12:22:12 AM

I have more bitcoins than I did last week.
I have more USD than I did last month.
Win Win.

This ^

Shermo

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I haven't and won't be selling for quite a while, assuming I do sell and don't just use them for buying. Right now I could still sell up and make a little profit, but if it drops much further I'll be losing.

I'm hoping it will eventually recover over the next year or so, which is how I initially decided on investing my money into BTC anyway. Although it would have been nice to sell at $260 and buy back in right now, but I'm not really into short scale buying/selling as its just too much stress/effort for my liking.

HappyBitCoinUser

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Teal Deer

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Made $5500 from $500.

Could have made $10,000 at the peak. Coulda' woulda' shoulda'.

ElectricMucus

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Quote from: Dangolbery on April 12, 2013, 04:38:26 AM

The real suckers are the ones that are buying now.

Hence why this poll is bias as for every winner there needs to be a loser.

this

make this poll after some weeks have passed.

ManBearPig

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"Don't go in the trollbox, trollbox, trollbox"

Quote from: SuperHakka on April 12, 2013, 03:59:32 AM

Quote from: ManBearPig on April 12, 2013, 03:08:22 AM

Haha no, please I can't stand the weight of expectation Tongue

But seriously, $84 today sits on the pre March 23rd upward trendline.

Which was a very pleasant and sustainable trendline indeed!

Dude, you do realise don't you that when a massive panic/correction/crash happens, the price action normally blows right through the previous trend line to the opposite side before coming back, don't you? If what you say is correct, we are going well under $84.

Yeeeesss, see my last few posts.

I've erm, traded a bit before ya know Wink

The trendline I speak of has hills and troughs all over it: it's 3 1/2 months long Tongue

I'd point to my daily chart but I haven't done one yet. Picture paints a thousand words etc.

b!z

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No profit

Dangolbery

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The real suckers are the ones that are buying now.

Hence why this poll is bias as for every winner there needs to be a loser.

V4Vendettas

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Sold all for £14.5k Total
Mining gear + power costs (have solar array/smug) -£1200

So profit and still mining away.

If I was smart or had a crystal ball and or time machine would have been £20k but I'm still happy.

Still I'm not up until Mt.Gox hand it over.

SuperHakka

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Quote from: ManBearPig on April 12, 2013, 03:08:22 AM

Haha no, please I can't stand the weight of expectation Tongue

But seriously, $84 today sits on the pre March 23rd upward trendline.

Which was a very pleasant and sustainable trendline indeed!

Dude, you do realise don't you that when a massive panic/correction/crash happens, the price action normally blows right through the previous trend line to the opposite side before coming back, don't you? If what you say is correct, we are going well under $84.

wopwop

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Quote from: NamelessOne on April 12, 2013, 03:15:14 AM

Quote from: ManBearPig on April 12, 2013, 03:08:22 AM

Haha no, please I can't stand the weight of expectation Tongue

But seriously, $84 today sits on the pre March 23rd upward trendline.

Which was a very pleasant and sustainable trendline indeed!

It was very pleasant wasn't it! hehe I've been enjoying that trendline for months! Grin

i've been enjoying trendlines too

NamelessOne

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Quote from: ManBearPig on April 12, 2013, 03:08:22 AM

Haha no, please I can't stand the weight of expectation Tongue

But seriously, $84 today sits on the pre March 23rd upward trendline.

Which was a very pleasant and sustainable trendline indeed!

It was very pleasant wasn't it! hehe I've been enjoying that trendline for months! Grin

ManBearPig

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"Don't go in the trollbox, trollbox, trollbox"

Haha no, please I can't stand the weight of expectation Tongue

But seriously, $84 today sits on the pre March 23rd upward trendline.

Which was a very pleasant and sustainable trendline indeed!

wopwop

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Quote from: ManBearPig on April 12, 2013, 03:02:45 AM

Quote from: regular on April 12, 2013, 12:41:18 AM

must be all smart money here. It seems like everyone on the forums here sold at 200+ and bought back in the double digits. Any tips on how to spot opportunities like this for someone who just sat on the sidelines holding?

23% daily growth was a MASSIVE hint! Wink

We were chugging along nicely at about 5-6% which was sustainable.

Get aboard for the next one

BUY BUYBUY Manbearpig is calling the bottom

ingrownpocket

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Quote from: Elwar on April 12, 2013, 12:31:14 AM

Stayed exactly the same.

+1

ManBearPig

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"Don't go in the trollbox, trollbox, trollbox"

Quote from: regular on April 12, 2013, 12:41:18 AM

must be all smart money here. It seems like everyone on the forums here sold at 200+ and bought back in the double digits. Any tips on how to spot opportunities like this for someone who just sat on the sidelines holding?

23% daily growth was a MASSIVE hint! Wink

We were chugging along nicely at about 5-6% which was sustainable.

Get aboard for the next one

ManBearPig

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"Don't go in the trollbox, trollbox, trollbox"

Well done to those being honest here.

As I have my original investment in cash on Gox and Bitcoins I'm up by precisely x Bitcoins.

I suspect not everyone who should select option B would be either: alive, logged in or bothered enough to actually answer though!

Kazu

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I would have made money...

Then, gox STOLE 8 of my coins as I was exchanging them to fiat...

Get your coins out of gox people.

Luno

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Not having money in hand is just another way of being long in Bitcoins!

mgio

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It's funny, it's all about perspective.

I invested 10k, when bitcoin was at 65 at that 10k was 50k, I was ecstatic. It was an amazing return and a good amount of money.

When that turned to 200k, I was even happier.

But now two days later, when it 75k (at 100), I somehow feels like a lost a ton.

So I'm up, quite a bit, but I feel way down.

Elwar

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Viva Ut Vivas

Quote from: Dangolbery on April 12, 2013, 12:47:14 AM

Quote from: SomeWhere on April 12, 2013, 12:43:29 AM

I haven't lost anything as long as I still hold, right?

I would still say you have, if you need the money tomorrow you cant get it because it doesn't exist.

Did you steal his wallet?

shmadz

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@theshmadz

Quote from: Krabby on April 12, 2013, 12:21:16 AM

Overall does not mean anything when you lose 50% of potential profit overnight :c

*disclaimer* I am a miner, though I do speculate (poorly) with the leftovers

anyways, I lost a ton of "potential" profit by selling at 20, 40, 100, 150, etc... all the way up to 200 at which point I was tapped out (I have a small hoard of coins that I am not putting up on the exchange, just in case)

I can't call the tops, or the bottoms, and I've quit trying.

I just sell enough to pay the rent, and if I have extra, I'll just hold on. When the price goes ballistic I might sell a little more and consider buying more mining equipment, but asics are kinda ruining it for me. (I don't like that I can't just go to the store and pick up some hardware, maybe someday)

lately I've tried to just keep half and sell half, but during the run up I couldn't hold back and sold nearly 3/4 of all my coins...

I cashed out and bought silver, and I kind of regret it, because I had no money left in the account to buy back in when it dropped, but I don't worry too much 'cuz I'm still hoarding some, and I still can make a few per week...

but still, moving forward I think I will try to keep at least some kind of minimum amount of both BTC and fiat in my account so I can take advantage of moves that go way beyond my expectations.

mp420

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Quote from: SomeWhere on April 12, 2013, 12:43:29 AM

I haven't lost anything as long as I still hold, right?

Depends on how you look at it. If you spent more than your BTC holdings are currently worth, you have lost the opportunity to do something else with the difference.

Dangolbery

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Quote from: SomeWhere on April 12, 2013, 12:43:29 AM

I haven't lost anything as long as I still hold, right?

I would still say you have, if you need the money tomorrow you cant get it because it doesn't exist.

SomeWhere

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I haven't lost anything as long as I still hold, right?

mp420

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If I bought back the same amount of bitcoins that I've ever sold just now, my total ROI in fiat would be about 1000%.

Dangolbery

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Made $1500 exactly.

From a $1900 investment.

In 8 days.

I'm pretty satisfied with my actions, i made the right decisions with the information that i had - can't do much more than that.

Of course if i could predict the future i could have made $3000 profit, but that was never going to happen.

My real fuck up was waiting for 2 weeks for mt.gox verification (that got rejected anyway) to buy coins. If i would have just bought using localbitcoins to start with than i would have made over $6000 profit.

regular

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must be all smart money here. It seems like everyone on the forums here sold at 200+ and bought back in the double digits. Any tips on how to spot opportunities like this for someone who just sat on the sidelines holding?

1Pakis

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Made more money than I invested and now I have bitcoins and litecoins to play with.
The forum was the biggest help for me.

Elwar

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Viva Ut Vivas

Stayed exactly the same.

NikolaTesla

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Looks like mostly profits here... so why such a negative atmosphere?

Nesetalis

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I have more bitcoins than I did last week.
I have more USD than I did last month.
Win Win.

Krabby

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https://primedao.eth.link/#/

Overall does not mean anything when you lose 50% of potential profit overnight :c

NikolaTesla

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Are you up or down overall?

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