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Topic: The reality in Investment security. (Read 170 times)

legendary
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January 31, 2018, 01:59:31 AM
#7
I have been in online investment for quite sometime now and one thing that I have find out is how risky this can be. My questions are these:
1. How do you secure your online investment and what type of securities have you put in place.
2. Have you ever invest in a ponzi scheme and benefits from it?
3. I have seeing some people investing in cloud mining and I what to find out how risky you have view it to be.


1. I keep my self updated on news regarding the companies/body related to my investments. For crypto-related, I've always make sure to increase the security to the highest by turning on 2fa & mobile auth and taking good care of confidential informations like priv keys on a safe place.
2. Yes I do but I certainly didn't know in the first place that it is a ponzi scheme.
3. I have been a fool in the past when I took the bait of investing to scrypt.cc (same story , I didn't know it's ponzi). Now, I see clearly that cloud mining = not profitable/scam.
hero member
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January 30, 2018, 08:46:35 AM
#6
I have been in online investment for quite sometime now and one thing that I have find out is how risky this can be. My questions are these:
1. How do you secure your online investment and what type of securities have you put in place.
2. Have you ever invest in a ponzi scheme and benefits from it?
3. I have seeing some people investing in cloud mining and I what to find out how risky you have view it to be.

1. I don't put too much on money online but the thing I do make investment is on doing trading. Its consider as an investment and securing them will be always your responsibility.
2. When I was still a newbie I did commit such mistake.I didn't make any benefits on it but only being scammed.
3. On legit cloud mining sites there are really investor but I don't see its really worth to invest because profitability would really be hard.
legendary
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January 29, 2018, 11:49:22 AM
#5
In my experience, no amount of due diligence will protect you if the service does decide to exit and abscond with your funds.

Then you are not investing, you are gambling, which is completely different. If you give an ico here money, you are gambling, it is that simple, because nobody would invest in something like that. You invest in equity behind real businesses and people, you gamble in coins, icos and stuff since you own nothing but a fake token. Legally, I have never seen a white paper where one of the coins even has to pay what they agreed to because of how they are written or because they were illegal to begin with and would be thrown out in court if you tried to sue. With equity you own part of the business and if something happens you are able to take control over it, and you would not invest in something where the business backing the money had no value so there is pretty much no risk there, just a little bit of time in court to force a company takeover or receivership. This all boils back to what I said though, that people here do not invest, and we can see this because of all the claims of scams. If they actually invested there would be no way to claim this because they would have everything backed legally and there is no way someone that invests would risk being countered for something like libel because you can be sued for calling people scammers until they have been criminally convicted.

It is really hard to find real investments here because people are so easily scammed that businesses will not follow proper procedure since they know stupid people will still keep giving them money blindly. It is why I hope governments start to regulate things more. I do not care if someone stupid gets scammed but as an investor it is mostly a waste of time to try and find things here since they are almost all scams and those who are not scams still have no legal requirement to pay your portion of what they agreed to so you are just gambling in the hope that some stranger will do what they said...

We can argue semantics but I actually agree with you in the sense that every investment, after all, is a gamble. There is never a guarantee of profit - every solid, sound investment prospective in conventional finance explicitly says so in so many fine print words.

I'm not even talking about ICOs or any example you've given - the investments I've made don't involve owning anything, no tokens, no equity. Except for the work I do with start ups (which by your definition also means I'm gambling, and yes, in case you missed the point, you take gambles with start ups, since nothing is guaranteed).

By your definition, are all the people who claimed scams to the national bank of Greece, or Enron, or any other sound, protected, insured, investment tool in fact gamblers who didn't really invest? Did Greeks gamble their life savings by entrusting it to their government and hoping it would do what it promised to (guarantee their deposits)?

Like I said, as "real" as your investment can become, as solid as your due diligence can get, nothing can prevent things from folding if they do.
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January 29, 2018, 09:08:35 AM
#4
In my experience, no amount of due diligence will protect you if the service does decide to exit and abscond with your funds.

Then you are not investing, you are gambling, which is completely different. If you give an ico here money, you are gambling, it is that simple, because nobody would invest in something like that. You invest in equity behind real businesses and people, you gamble in coins, icos and stuff since you own nothing but a fake token. Legally, I have never seen a white paper where one of the coins even has to pay what they agreed to because of how they are written or because they were illegal to begin with and would be thrown out in court if you tried to sue. With equity you own part of the business and if something happens you are able to take control over it, and you would not invest in something where the business backing the money had no value so there is pretty much no risk there, just a little bit of time in court to force a company takeover or receivership. This all boils back to what I said though, that people here do not invest, and we can see this because of all the claims of scams. If they actually invested there would be no way to claim this because they would have everything backed legally and there is no way someone that invests would risk being countered for something like libel because you can be sued for calling people scammers until they have been criminally convicted.

It is really hard to find real investments here because people are so easily scammed that businesses will not follow proper procedure since they know stupid people will still keep giving them money blindly. It is why I hope governments start to regulate things more. I do not care if someone stupid gets scammed but as an investor it is mostly a waste of time to try and find things here since they are almost all scams and those who are not scams still have no legal requirement to pay your portion of what they agreed to so you are just gambling in the hope that some stranger will do what they said...
legendary
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January 29, 2018, 08:00:13 AM
#3
I'm in a sharing mood.

1. Unfortunately, the investments I've chosen to make online are all crypto-related and require me to entrust my funds entirely with the service. I know someone above has mentioned due diligence, signed contracts, etc. and this is the way to go if you're seriously investing a lot of money. In my experience, no amount of due diligence will protect you if the service does decide to exit and abscond with your funds. For those who were transparent (giving real names, addresses, etc.) and the business didn't do well, once cordial relationships tend to descend into drawn-out accusations and name-calling, without any actual resolution or even legal ramification.

I've come to terms that I will only invest with people I trust, yet understand that trust means little if things go tits up. After about a year (I've only been in crypto for 2 years but online much longer) of these kinds of investments, though, I now am moving towards investment of time and resource into working directly with start ups. The trust built there is more personal, and because I also have a say in how things work, the shared responsibility towards mutual success seems more secure to me. We all have money invested, and we all need to put effort into it. We're still pretty much "anonymous" in that regard - we don't know each other's identities and aren't bound by contracts but we are intimate with our individual abilities and history of working together.

2. Absolutely not, that's not investing. The closest I've ever come to doing that is when I gamble on lotteries.

3. I view cloud mining to be extremely risky.
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January 29, 2018, 04:53:19 AM
#2
I have been in online investment for quite sometime now and one thing that I have find out is how risky this can be. My questions are these:
1. How do you secure your online investment and what type of securities have you put in place.
2. Have you ever invest in a ponzi scheme and benefits from it?
3. I have seeing some people investing in cloud mining and I what to find out how risky you have view it to be.


My answers as an investor are

1, I require id and do due diligence into the parties behind companies and their past, where they live, other stuff. I also require signed and notarized contracts if it is a bigger deal because if something happens I need plenty of proof for court about the agreement. Too many people here just give random people money and that is stupid, it is not how you make money...

2, no, and no respectable investor would because that is a federal crime so you risk everything by doing it. Yes, it is a federal crime to even invest or pay into one, not just to run it...

3, no cloud mining is profitable and if you do the math you will see that fast. But this goes back to rule 1 where most people here do not know anything about what they are doing and just give random people money hoping they get more back...

If you are a real investor and actually know how to do these things, your chances of losing money are almost zero. Only invest in people you can trust, people you can hunt down legally, and in businesses you know or are able to learn, otherwise you will just be throwing away money even if you get lucky a time or two first...
sr. member
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January 26, 2018, 01:31:09 PM
#1
I have been in online investment for quite sometime now and one thing that I have find out is how risky this can be. My questions are these:
1. How do you secure your online investment and what type of securities have you put in place.
2. Have you ever invest in a ponzi scheme and benefits from it?
3. I have seeing some people investing in cloud mining and I what to find out how risky you have view it to be.
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