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What prevents you from trading between Gabon and Laos in local currencies? Please provide evidence that would prove that they are forced to trade in dollars ? Smiley
And then let's discuss my PROPOSAL: “Maybe they themselves do not want to receive not very liquid local currencies of other countries for their products. Perhaps it is not convenient for them, because the seller of products from Gabon, having received the Lao kip, will not be able to buy something for it (Lao kip) in other countries” ?
And for one - why for example Lao kip cannot be a currency of international settlements like dollar - it will be very interesting to hear your opinion and reasoning ! Smiley

I'm at least of the belief that the entire world would be doing trades smoothly without using the debt-backed fiat currency of one country. I'm looking at it from a very elementary viewpoint. Whenever Japan imports tuna from my country, the price would be in USD. I don't see any reason why it has to be that way. They can pay us in our local fiat. They can pay us in yen. Either way, it's probably going to be smooth. The same way is true when China imports banana from us.
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I guess the most fundamental question is why should every free, independent, sovereign country in the whole wide world be dependent to a foreign currency for trades? Countries not just wished but actually decided and took steps to wean themselves off USD because they find no reason whatsoever. If John and Rose want to trade, why should they be using the currency of Max?

However, it seems China's growing global influence and desire to make the USD irrelevant is purely borne out of its selfish ambition to be the new hegemony. China doesn't want to set the world free from the US dollar. It simply wants to replace it with the renminbi.

In which case, we aren't in a better situation. Fortunately, however, at this point, we have a truly independent, neutral, decentralized, global option in Bitcoin.

What prevents you from trading between Gabon and Laos in local currencies? Please provide evidence that would prove that they are forced to trade in dollars ? Smiley
And then let's discuss my PROPOSAL: “Maybe they themselves do not want to receive not very liquid local currencies of other countries for their products. Perhaps it is not convenient for them, because the seller of products from Gabon, having received the Lao kip, will not be able to buy something for it (Lao kip) in other countries” ?
And for one - why for example Lao kip cannot be a currency of international settlements like dollar - it will be very interesting to hear your opinion and reasoning ! Smiley
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the only reason why the unlimited supply dollar looks stronger than those local fiats is that it is being used for international trades and when it's usage decreases dollar gets a lot weaker than the weakest fiat in existence Wink
That's true, one of the reason why dollar looks strong is that it's used in international trade and in the end, everything is valued in USD at first and then in other currency but I believe that it's still not like if its usage decreases, it's gonna be the weakest fiat because the US economy alone will be stronger than the economy of any country that has the weakest fiat. That's a little bit exaggeration.

It is simply put not true,
you need to have a better product. BRICS is now in its second decade. So far they have come up with out anything.
Rusia has now yuan and Rupees.  India won't take any of the African currencies.

The dollar is not grown stronger, the rest of currencies has grown weaker.
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The problem with getting off the US dollar is the alternative.  Reletively speaking a lot government financial instruments and fiat around the world is at risk of faultering at any given time.  So why leave something that is generally stable and move to an unknown at a large scale.  Thats why it will be difficult to get away from fiat all together.
That's a good question but US dollar has alternatives, for example, the second most widely held and used currency in international trades and finance is Euro. But the real problem is that US is not going to lose dominancy, it's doesn't train NATO and spend billions of dollars on it for no reason, it's the last resort. Is USD losing dominance? Start a war or war-like situation or I don't know. No Empire lasts forever but the US is very clever.

the only reason why the unlimited supply dollar looks stronger than those local fiats is that it is being used for international trades and when it's usage decreases dollar gets a lot weaker than the weakest fiat in existence Wink
That's true, one of the reason why dollar looks strong is that it's used in international trade and in the end, everything is valued in USD at first and then in other currency but I believe that it's still not like if its usage decreases, it's gonna be the weakest fiat because the US economy alone will be stronger than the economy of any country that has the weakest fiat. That's a little bit exaggeration.
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I guess the most fundamental question is why should every free, independent, sovereign country in the whole wide world be dependent to a foreign currency for trades? 

A currency which is widely accepted is the preference of most people.
Why don't you ask: Why no other country works on having a world reserve currency?
The Euro has shown that a block can do it. So could do other (Blocks?) 

Some countries know their place, some leaders believe to be chosen.
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However, it seems China's growing global influence and desire to make the USD irrelevant is purely borne out of its selfish ambition to be the new hegemony. China doesn't want to set the world free from the US dollar. It simply wants to replace it with the renminbi.



Our world will never be a better place if it is dominated by one nation, whether it is the United States or China. But our world would certainly be better and more just if we had a multipolar world with more choices rather than a world where power is concentrated in one power and used indiscriminately.

BRICS is aiming to reduce dependence on the USD and create a multipolar world where other countries have choices, have the opportunity to develop their economies instead of being restricted by thousands of bans and sanctions just because they do not comply or do not please someone. A unipolar world is nothing more than a monopoly, a dictatorship...and I don't think people like monopolies and dictatorships.
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It's not the interest rating of the US$ which makes the US Currency so popular. It's the falling currencies of the nations not living under Euro or Dollar domains.

You are kinda wrong about this.
The US dollar is a global currency, because it's convertible everywhere. Almost everywhere around the world, you could buy something with US dollars. Try buying something with rubles or yuan outside of Russia and China.
The USD being a global currency is what benefits the US economy, because the USA could afford to have big trade deficits and a giant national debt without any major problems(such problems might occur in the long term). Just because a certain country uses USD in it's foreign trade, that doesn't mean that this particular country is a US colony or something.
And yes, weaponizing the US dollar and the US financial system was major mistake by the Biden administration.
legendary
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I guess the most fundamental question is why should every free, independent, sovereign country in the whole wide world be dependent to a foreign currency for trades? Countries not just wished but actually decided and took steps to wean themselves off USD because they find no reason whatsoever. If John and Rose want to trade, why should they be using the currency of Max?

However, it seems China's growing global influence and desire to make the USD irrelevant is purely borne out of its selfish ambition to be the new hegemony. China doesn't want to set the world free from the US dollar. It simply wants to replace it with the renminbi.

In which case, we aren't in a better situation. Fortunately, however, at this point, we have a truly independent, neutral, decentralized, global option in Bitcoin.
legendary
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Finally at least one reasoned explanation of how the dollar can negatively affect other currencies and markets !
This is what, for some reason, no propagandist of the idea of dedollarization can explain !

But I have a couple of additional questions :
1. and after the dedollarization of these “dollar-suffering economies”, what will be officially considered the cause of all the troubles of the economies of these countries, where the real blame is not the dollar, but simply the stupidity of the authorities ?!!!
2. and how are they going to live in a world where most of the world economy will remain dollarized and they will essentially remain without dollars ?  Smiley

PS while the real “benefit” can be only for rogue countries and trans-criminals. But as the example of the rogue country and trans-criminal country Russia has shown, they got nothing but the status of raw material appendage of China, and this is the “success of Russia”. I understand ! Smiley
By the way, not so long ago, at BRICS 2024, putin himself (an international criminal) said that dedollarization is necessary not to avoid the alleged impact on the economies of countries, but only to avoid fair punishment.
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It is very strange that sometimes we see some outlets desperately try to invent reasons for something that is very simple like dedollarisation.

The main and possibly only reason for dedollarisation is to decrease the effect of a weapon the US regime has named the dollar.

Of course when you replace the dollar with something else like local currencies, it strengthens them because it gives them additional demand. What the author doesn't want people to know is that the only reason why the unlimited supply dollar looks stronger than those local fiats is that it is being used for international trades and when it's usage decreases dollar gets a lot weaker than the weakest fiat in existence Wink
In fact the reason why some of these article writers are desperate to provide a different reason for dedollarisation is because they are too scared of the day dollar dumps hard.
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The problem with getting off the US dollar is the alternative.  Reletively speaking a lot government financial instruments and fiat around the world is at risk of faultering at any given time.  So why leave something that is generally stable and move to an unknown at a large scale.  Thats why it will be difficult to get away from fiat all together.
Some countries are willing to take the risk of shifting to an alternative currency. The sanctions the US places on them is more effective because the dollar is the dominant currency. If they can get an alternative currency the US sanctions wouldn't be severe. BRICS nations are promoting the use of local currencies between member countries as a means of dedollarization.
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The problem with getting off the US dollar is the alternative.  Reletively speaking a lot government financial instruments and fiat around the world is at risk of faultering at any given time.  So why leave something that is generally stable and move to an unknown at a large scale.  Thats why it will be difficult to get away from fiat all together.
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America want to make dependent to every country of the World but every country want freedom and many countries got freedom
not only do countries want freedom from the usa but they want to be the strongest country and have other countries depend on them they want to replace the us basically usa has a very strong political and military power as we see they have a lot of military bases in pretty much almost every part of the world and this makes them really strong

their economy whilst might not be the best, is still good enough to make them lead ahead of other countries it also helps that the us dollar is the global reserve currency
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America want to make dependent to every country of the World but every country want freedom

Proof do you have some? Only that they are dominant does not automatically make the subdue other countries.
America depends om japan, over Treasury Bonds, America depends on China for consumer Goods, and on Arabian countries for Oil, not much but still.
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America want to make dependent to every country of the World but every country want freedom and many countries got freedom but America is now dominant on that countries because it applied the transactions in USD and everybody have to buy and sell things in USD and American economy is being strong but local currencies are losing their value . America want to hold on all countries and that is the reason they make Aly with the big countries and Japan is Aly of America and it will help America to make economy strong and English are also in support of dollar .There are many chances that USD will get more importance in the future and that is the reason many Investors are Investing money in dollar to get profit from that.
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Most people don't know the reasoning behind BRICS and the refusal to use the $
It's pretty simple, the US $ is not stronger but the local currencies are getting weaker.

https://archive.ph/9gh3E
Translated from the Original Site https://www.faz.net/pro/weltwirtschaft/finanzwelt/starker-dollar-stellt-schwellenlaender-vor-ein-dilemma-110228604.html

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The world is watching the interest rate decisions of the central banks with anticipation, especially the American Federal Reserve (Fed). Despite the interest rate cut in December, the Fed has adopted a cautious tone in its forward strategy. Fed Chairman Jerome Powell is waiting to see how the new Trump administration behaves in terms of trade and financial policy, speculated Marcello Estevão, chief economist of the Institute of International Finance (IIF). He and his team examined the latest measures of the most important central banks in the industrialized and emerging countries and analyzed the effects of a strengthening US dollar.

It's not the interest rating of the US$ which makes the US Currency so popular. It's the falling currencies of the nations not living under Euro or Dollar domains.

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Last year, central banks faced the challenge of balancing growth and inflation as the global economy was marked by uneven recoveries and geopolitical uncertainty. However, the Fed, the European Central Bank (ECB) and the Bank of Japan (BoJ) moved in different directions or at different paces. For Estevão, this is a sign that a fragmented global economy makes it difficult to "synchronize monetary policy strategies."

My vision of those directors being challenged is more like a meeting of fat cats. Just sipping their preferred liquor. What's yours? Wink

Now 2 things emerging countries fear is  1.st) the $ climbing even higher as debts from the world bank, IMF or even governmental bonds are issued in ..... yeah the $.

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Emerging markets have $8.3 trillion in debt
The strong dollar is causing problems for emerging markets. It shows the structural weaknesses associated with foreign debt and financial flows, writes Estevão in Global Macro Views: "The strengthening US dollar continues to put pressure on emerging markets, increasing the burden of US dollar-denominated debt and affecting capital flows, further complicating the monetary policy environment."

Now imagine the dollar drops to 50% vs the Euro. Nothing would change for a country without a meaningful reserve.
Their currency needs to rise in value  to make a difference. Only country trying to do that is South Korea. Turkey wasn't too successful. 

The 2nd fear is: Your president going against capital flight, your country's currency is failing.
Nowadays people with money go into Bitcoin for a reason. We are all grateful for that.
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Emerging markets will need to devise innovative policy strategies in 2025 to prevent capital flight, inflation shocks and fiscal constraints that a persistently strong dollar would bring.
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