The reason that Merit is working....

darmawan_lasuara

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Quote from: athanz88 on February 13, 2018, 02:26:37 AM

Quote from: TMAN on February 12, 2018, 01:22:52 AM

Right this isnt 100% Meta, but as this is where the most bitching is done about the system I am posting here..

ill assume that most people here are aware of user nullius - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nullius-976210

But for those who do not, please take 20 minutes to read his posts. Everything this user posts is a pleasure to read, he is Eloquent with an amazing vocabulary, almost everything he posts has a certain level of humor.. and all this from a newbie? some people refuse to believe he isnt an Alt account, but personally I think the bloke is borderline genius.

Anyway - enough of me loving on him - I just wanted to point out that the merit system does work, and if you are struggling for a reason to spend merit I believe we should help level this bloke up to the Legendary range and I myself will donate 20 Merits a month to this cause, I do hope other sources will be willing to contribute as well

Please use this as a reference for any more bitching and moaning, tell people to step up the game to be more like nullius...

Nullius is a great person, i already read his posts and i am encouraged by the way he posts and gain merits.
Me too at first, struggling to get merits and rather than whining, i got some fresh idea which you trashed at first @TMAN ,but thanks god you finally realize my post and thread and gave me merits.
I already learn about nullius' posts, but since each person has its own style, i guess i cant do his style and i will continue my style to post, and i have some great idea for my next thread, hope i can finish it soon and hope you guys will be there

I agree with you, because indirectly we are required to better understand the problem problem in the world of criptocurrency and in bitcointalk itself. Also about Nullius, we have a lot to learn about it, but it's good if we have our own writing style. Wishing the best for all of us.

Zonero12

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Nullius is a smart person in thinking, it's amazing he can so many merit prizes,
threads and posts so qualified to get rewards.
Can I be like Nullius ..?

Thirio

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Quote from: theStupidFish on February 24, 2018, 10:18:07 AM

So.you guys really wanted 99% of the fishes in this forum would learn how to climb a tree?
There are two types of posters in this forum and I don't waste my time to explain what are those.
The Monkeys and the Fishes. And you know who you are Grin

Your username suits you.

Quote from: tranquynhtien on February 24, 2018, 06:17:56 PM

Agree. Merit system has shown greater impacts on lower-ranked users because they have to stop spamming with one-word, one-line posts or even long plagiarised/ shitty posts in order to catch merit points. They have to improve their posts quality somehow. Overtime, they will form new good habit, which allow them to write high or at least good quality posts naturally.

Ability to naturally write good quality, constructive threads is important, which help to build up the forum.

medium to high rank users are more affected in the current system if the basis would be the initial number of merits one needs in order to rank up, why? Because the huge loads of merits they need to earn. Newbs and jr, can easily get 10 merits, but members need 90 and full members need 150, and so on. The only difference would be newbs and jr nowadays only seeks money in this forum thus, increasing the difficulty of making a helpful post.

The Sceptical Chymist

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Quote from: Aneuk cabang on February 24, 2018, 09:43:20 AM

why i am got less merit

Though I can barely make out what you're trying to say, I think you're wondering why it is you haven't earned any merit. The answer, to me, is as plain as day. You are trying to write posts in a language that you don't know, and the only reason you're doing it is to get paid. Because you don't have a good grasp of English, everything you write here is going to sound simple-brained and uninteresting.

Look at this post:

Quote from: ?? on ??

I really agree with your topic that is so good and I have done it to my friend and finally my friend has earned income through this forum.

This is a generic, 3rd world shitpost written by someone who is only incentivized to post in English because he's paid to spam. The post is sloppy and in broken English and not worth reading (or writing). You and your ilk need to stop doing shit like this--that's what the merit system is for. The idiots just haven't caught on that they won't be advancing in rank yet.

Taki

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Is he your friend or he pays you for the promotion? Grin

cause of it really looks like some commercial - "send merit to this guy!" Maybe it's just my envy, cause of my style of posting is not even close, I admit. Hope one day I will break my laziness and come a bit closer to his level Cheesy

sri11

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nullius is a remarkable phenomenon
with member ratings already get 495 merit. I want to be like him by studying posts that instantly get merit from friends

tranquynhtien

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Quote from: DooMAD on February 24, 2018, 10:47:18 AM

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Instead, I'd make the opposite argument, which is that those who were previously making terrible posts are at least making an effort to improve and enhance their knowledge and understanding because of merit. If they don't, merit prevents them from ranking up. And those who have no intention of improving are understandably upset. That's the reason merit is working.

Agree. Merit system has shown greater impacts on lower-ranked users because they have to stop spamming with one-word, one-line posts or even long plagiarised/ shitty posts in order to catch merit points. They have to improve their posts quality somehow. Overtime, they will form new good habit, which allow them to write high or at least good quality posts naturally.

Ability to naturally write good quality, constructive threads is important, which help to build up the forum.

rajatjain

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Quote from: DooMAD on February 24, 2018, 10:47:18 AM

While I support the general sentiment of the thread, I don't believe there's a direct correlation between the two. I'm certain that Nullius would be making exemplary posts whether or not merit was a thing. By all means, use Nullius as an example to aspire to, but it's not correct to say that those posts are evidence that merit is working. I suspect all the people who were making quality posts before merit was implemented will continue to do so. Instead, I'd make the opposite argument, which is that those who were previously making terrible posts are at least making an effort to improve and enhance their knowledge and understanding because of merit. If they don't, merit prevents them from ranking up. And those who have no intention of improving are understandably upset. That's the reason merit is working.

Yeah in a perfect world maybe! We have already started seeing people selling merits on bitcointalk. Bitcointalk still can be controlled and flagged but what about such deals happening on facebook, reddit and other platforms? We also have started seeing a lot of plagiarism since it doesn't take a genius to figure if they can't present opinions, it is better to steal opinions from facebook and reddit where some more seasoned players present their views!
Despite all this, i feel merit did made some change in the average mentality of the people to contribute in a more positive and engaging manner! Rest i feel only the time will tell!

DooMAD

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While I support the general sentiment of the thread, I don't believe there's a direct correlation between the two. I'm certain that Nullius would be making exemplary posts whether or not merit was a thing. By all means, use Nullius as an example to aspire to, but it's not correct to say that those posts are evidence that merit is working. I suspect all the people who were making quality posts before merit was implemented will continue to do so. Instead, I'd make the opposite argument, which is that those who were previously making terrible posts are at least making an effort to improve and enhance their knowledge and understanding because of merit. If they don't, merit prevents them from ranking up. And those who have no intention of improving are understandably upset. That's the reason merit is working.

theStupidFish

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So.you guys really wanted 99% of the fishes in this forum would learn how to climb a tree?
There are two types of posters in this forum and I don't waste my time to explain what are those.
The Monkeys and the Fishes. And you know who you are Grin

Aneuk cabang

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Quote from: TMAN on February 12, 2018, 01:22:52 AM

Right this isnt 100% Meta, but as this is where the most bitching is done about the system I am posting here..

ill assume that most people here are aware of user nullius - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nullius-976210

But for those who do not, please take 20 minutes to read his posts. Everything this user posts is a pleasure to read, he is Eloquent with an amazing vocabulary, almost everything he posts has a certain level of humor.. and all this from a newbie? some people refuse to believe he isnt an Alt account, but personally I think the bloke is borderline genius.

Anyway - enough of me loving on him - I just wanted to point out that the merit system does work, and if you are struggling for a reason to spend merit I believe we should help level this bloke up to the Legendary range and I myself will donate 20 Merits a month to this cause, I do hope other sources will be willing to contribute as well

Please use this as a reference for any more bitching and moaning, tell people to step up the game to be more like nullius...

yeah, i just read about the person, his post and feedback. i guess what he said was true, throw away the negative feedback. i just realized it, why i am got less merit, maybe because some of my post or comment contain the negative feedback. i will try to get some trust again from the forum, with that maybe i will get some merit.

malikusama

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Quote from: drngocct on February 23, 2018, 09:36:53 AM

Quote from: malikusama on February 23, 2018, 04:50:24 AM

Quote from: digaran on February 23, 2018, 12:24:12 AM

Vod raised a valid question, it may cause huge conflict if members would get ban because of their post rating.
Merit system is working perfectly, you need to wait more to clearly see the outcomes.

Secondly nobody can impose their own rules on others, I think Forum staff and moderators knows better what to implement.

This system has performed very well about more than one month after launched by Theymos. There are several new users ranked up with many merits receceived like nullius (who might be specific example of merit system in objective to motivate users contribute more to the forum).

WTH are you doing man? you have changed my post while quoting it in your post.
Needs to modify, always be careful while quoting others in your post.

drngocct

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Quote from: malikusama on February 23, 2018, 04:50:24 AM

Quote from: digaran on February 23, 2018, 12:24:12 AM

Vod raised a valid question, it may cause huge conflict if members would get ban because of their post rating.
Merit system is working perfectly, you need to wait more to clearly see the outcomes.

Secondly nobody can impose their own rules on others, I think Forum staff and moderators knows better what to implement.

This system has performed very well about more than one month after launched by Theymos. There are several new users ranked up with many merits receceived like nullius (who might be specific example of merit system in objective to motivate users contribute more to the forum).

malikusama

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Quote from: digaran on February 23, 2018, 12:24:12 AM

Quote from: Vod on February 22, 2018, 10:54:36 PM

Quote from: digaran on February 22, 2018, 10:50:21 PM

if you want merit to work, ban shitposters, 10 consecutive garbage posts should result to a ban of account for a month. refer to the last received merits of mine, ranked up or not, they are still here.

Who decides what is a garbage post? Centralized (multiple account abuse) or decentralized (overwork and possibly biased)?

Who decides a post is merit worthy? we are just meriting high quality posts, if you could earn money posting garbage, you don't need any merits.
We have the rules, people are violating the rules, we are meriting those who are not violating the rules.

I have a few rules regarding my source merit giveaway, one of them: you must have 50 more posts than your activity to receive 3 merits after providing me with the information I have asked for. who decides to give them 3 merits other than me?

Vod raised a valid question, it may cause huge conflict if members would get ban because of their post rating.
Merit system is working perfectly, you need to wait more to clearly see the outcomes.

Secondly nobody can impose their own rules on others, I think Forum staff and moderators knows better what to implement.

digaran

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Quote from: Vod on February 22, 2018, 10:54:36 PM

Quote from: digaran on February 22, 2018, 10:50:21 PM

if you want merit to work, ban shitposters, 10 consecutive garbage posts should result to a ban of account for a month. refer to the last received merits of mine, ranked up or not, they are still here.

Who decides what is a garbage post? Centralized (multiple account abuse) or decentralized (overwork and possibly biased)?

Who decides a post is merit worthy? we are just meriting high quality posts, if you could earn money posting garbage, you don't need any merits.
We have the rules, people are violating the rules, we are meriting those who are not violating the rules.

I have a few rules regarding my source merit giveaway, one of them: you must have 50 more posts than your activity to receive 3 merits after providing me with the information I have asked for. who decides to give them 3 merits other than me?

Vod

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Quote from: digaran on February 22, 2018, 10:50:21 PM

if you want merit to work, ban shitposters, 10 consecutive garbage posts should result to a ban of account for a month. refer to the last received merits of mine, ranked up or not, they are still here.

Who decides what is a garbage post? Centralized (multiple account abuse) or decentralized (overwork and possibly biased)?

digaran

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🖤😏

It is not working, nothing would work other than taking money from anybody with a signature, if you want merit to work, ban shitposters, 10 consecutive garbage posts should result to a ban of account for a month. refer to the last received merits of mine, ranked up or not, they are still here.

I registered on bountyhive.io thinking that I would join a new forum, their bounties link to their Bitcointalk thread, you wont post your application here, but you are going to put a signature and post here.

bobq

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Quote from: Mind Control on February 16, 2018, 01:51:39 PM

Quote from: minifrij on February 12, 2018, 06:22:56 AM

Quote from: bobq on February 12, 2018, 05:13:22 AM

ie that the merit system can work only for a few exceptional members and not for the thousands of average ones.

...Why should users be rewarded for being average?

Being average nor exceptional is not the basis of giving merits. Just adding valuable insights about a discussion is enough regardless if the knowledge is new or not. If we are to hunt DannyHamilton like posts then we might end up hoarding sMerit than giving them to the average ones.

The point is, should we reward average? Yes, why not. As long as he/she/it contributes something. That's enough basis for me.

"Average" is a dangerous two-faced concept, because also the mass-shitposters are definining an average - which we could call a "lower average". They are too many not to form a sort of average. Then you would obviously have a higher average, and finally all the cases which you clearly perceive as average but you can't assign to either the high or the low average, are probably the most boring average, the middle one. I believe that even though to different degrees and in different quantities Merits should be available to get for both the middle-average and the higher-average. If we would reward with Merit only the exceptional quality we could abolish the whole ranking system at once and substitute it with three ranks only: Shitposter, Average and Nullius.

Mind Control

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Quote from: minifrij on February 12, 2018, 06:22:56 AM

Quote from: bobq on February 12, 2018, 05:13:22 AM

ie that the merit system can work only for a few exceptional members and not for the thousands of average ones.

...Why should users be rewarded for being average?

Being average nor exceptional is not the basis of giving merits. Just adding valuable insights about a discussion is enough regardless if the knowledge is new or not. If we are to hunt DannyHamilton like posts then we might end up hoarding sMerit than giving them to the average ones.

The point is, should we reward average? Yes, why not. As long as he/she/it contributes something. That's enough basis for me.

TMAN

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Quote from: bobq on February 16, 2018, 10:00:46 AM

I totally agree that Nullius can be shown and taken as an example to follow, even though 99% of the people have neither his culture nor his intelligence nor his perfect knowledge of the English language to be actually able to properly or even remotely follow his example. However, he can be still shown as an "idealistic model" to get inspiration from, like people would get inspired by Nietzsche or Ambrose Bierce without of course being able to write Jenseits von Gut und Böse or The Parenticide Club themselves.
But what I wanted to really say is that you can't take him as an example for proving that the merit system is working, since he is a quite unique case. I believe the merit system would work fine if only there would be many more sMerits in circulations. Now it's more or less just a "liquidity problem."

No.. He is an astonishingly good poster and gets 50x the merits of others. now over the next 12 months, the shitposters will fuck off. There will be less members joining every day and the merits will not need to be spread among so many people.. personally I think its a great system

bobq

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Quote from: hilariousetc on February 12, 2018, 06:12:44 AM

Quote from: bobq on February 12, 2018, 05:13:22 AM

Nullius is a phenomenon, you can behold his quality and take him as an example as an intelligent human being, but you can't take him as an example for proving that the merit system is working. Since Nullius is exceptional, and probably THE ONLY ONE in the whole bitcointalk forum who has taken so many merits in such a little time, you would end up proving the exact contrary than intended, ie that the merit system can work only for a few exceptional members and not for the thousands of average ones. You can't tell people: come on, start to write books, everyone can, look at what Shackespeare could write, without even having a computer and a wordprocessor at hand!

Why not use him as an example? If you make intelligent posts you will get rewarded appropriately. You probably don't even have to make posts half as good as him to get merit, but the system works in that if you put in the effort you will be recognised for such and those users who are just here to write "I like bitcoin because it gives me profit and profit is good because it helps me with my daily needs" are going to get nowhere as they should. Exceptional users will fly through the ranks, good ones will get there pretty quickly, average users will take quite some time and shitposters will hopefully never get there. If the progress follows like this then the system will work as intended.

I totally agree that Nullius can be shown and taken as an example to follow, even though 99% of the people have neither his culture nor his intelligence nor his perfect knowledge of the English language to be actually able to properly or even remotely follow his example. However, he can be still shown as an "idealistic model" to get inspiration from, like people would get inspired by Nietzsche or Ambrose Bierce without of course being able to write Jenseits von Gut und Böse or The Parenticide Club themselves.
But what I wanted to really say is that you can't take him as an example for proving that the merit system is working, since he is a quite unique case. I believe the merit system would work fine if only there would be many more sMerits in circulations. Now it's more or less just a "liquidity problem."

Bessta

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Credit must be given to those who really excel. The merit system is a development in bitcointalk.org to help campaigners to improve not only with their communications skills but also in-depth learning in cryptocurrencies or digital currencies. The merit system will help us to post informative and sensible ideas about cryptocurrencies.

TMAN

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Quote from: rajatjain on February 13, 2018, 05:20:05 AM

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Hi,

I just put my thoughts into it based on what i see everyday and yes i do love altcoins! A discussion doesn't have to be one sided and i am just trying to engage in a healthy discussion where i can learn and contribute to the community. I posted my views as to why there needs to be more pairings with litecoin and other altcoins along with fiat pairs to ensure that a healthy system be maintained for the people to invest. If bitcoin goes to 30,000 dollars, at no point i want the people who are trading in small quantities like 100 dollars or 500 dollars to be paying a 30 dollar fee to it.
At no point i am saying that i am only correct and all others running after bitcoin are wrong. i posted this on bitcointalk to engage in discussion only.

Again, just my 2 cents on this issue. Bitcoin won't die even if i say so and i have no control over it but i just wanted to engage as to how can bitcoin sustain a 20,000 dollar or even above price tag with so much time delay.

Peace and cheers!

you obviously are not versed in Segregated witness or the Lightning network. making such strong statements on a bitcoin forum wont get you many merits fella

rajatjain

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Quote from: Lauda on February 13, 2018, 05:55:34 AM

Quote from: HashFace on February 12, 2018, 02:27:18 PM

For a counter point, I offer this guy. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1178404;sa=showPosts
-snip-

Invalid counter point. That guy is posting in threads about shitcoins. Don't expect rewards when almost all you do is delve in the garbage bin.

Quote from: rajatjain on February 13, 2018, 05:20:05 AM

I just put my thoughts into it based on what i see everyday and yes i do love altcoins!

99.9% of them are scams in one way or another.

Quote from: rajatjain on February 13, 2018, 05:20:05 AM

If bitcoin goes to 30,000 dollars, at no point i want the people who are trading in small quantities like 100 dollars or 500 dollars to be paying a 30 dollar fee to it.

The fee that has to be paid has nothing to do with the USD price whatsoever. Obviously, as expected, a fundamental misunderstanding of cryptocurrencies and no understanding of fee-reduction methods.

Quote from: rajatjain on February 13, 2018, 05:20:05 AM

Bitcoin won't die even if i say so and i have no control over it but i just wanted to engage as to how can bitcoin sustain a 20,000 dollar or even above price tag with so much time delay.

I don't even... just go away.

Can you please tell me about the fee-reduction methods? I will love to update myself with some more knowledge on the subject.
As for 99.9 percent of altcoins, being scams, i have invested in vibehub , genesis vision and a couple of others in which i have talked to the team members, read whitepapers, and did whatever analysis i can come up with to invest in them. If you find any reasons as to why those projects are scams, i would love to hear it and try to change my analysis for the next projects that might come up!
Till october, my country's exchanges had only bitcoin and to trade in others, i had to send bitcoin every single time from local exchange to bittrex or binance which always costed me money and it was just not feasible for me anymore to convert my money and send it across other global exchanges.

Thanks

Lauda

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Quote from: HashFace on February 12, 2018, 02:27:18 PM

For a counter point, I offer this guy. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1178404;sa=showPosts
-snip-

Invalid counter point. That guy is posting in threads about shitcoins. Don't expect rewards when almost all you do is delve in the garbage bin.

Quote from: rajatjain on February 13, 2018, 05:20:05 AM

I just put my thoughts into it based on what i see everyday and yes i do love altcoins!

99.9% of them are scams in one way or another.

Quote from: rajatjain on February 13, 2018, 05:20:05 AM

If bitcoin goes to 30,000 dollars, at no point i want the people who are trading in small quantities like 100 dollars or 500 dollars to be paying a 30 dollar fee to it.

The fee that has to be paid has nothing to do with the USD price whatsoever. Obviously, as expected, a fundamental misunderstanding of cryptocurrencies and no understanding of fee-reduction methods.

Quote from: rajatjain on February 13, 2018, 05:20:05 AM

Bitcoin won't die even if i say so and i have no control over it but i just wanted to engage as to how can bitcoin sustain a 20,000 dollar or even above price tag with so much time delay.

I don't even... just go away.

rajatjain

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drngocct

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Quote from: bobq on February 12, 2018, 05:13:22 AM

Nullius is a phenomenon, you can behold his quality and take him as an example as an intelligent human being, but you can't take him as an example for proving that the merit system is working. Since Nullius is exceptional, and probably THE ONLY ONE in the whole bitcointalk forum who has taken so many merits in such a little time, you would end up proving the exact contrary than intended, ie that the merit system can work only for a few exceptional members and not for the thousands of average ones. You can't tell people: come on, start to write books, everyone can, look at what Shackespeare could write, without even having a computer and a wordprocessor at hand!

He might be a genius, actually. His posts are very constructive, polished, informative. And of course, this guy deserves to so many merit points he received.

TMAN

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Quote from: TMAN on February 12, 2018, 01:22:52 AM

Right this isnt 100% Meta, but as this is where the most bitching is done about the system I am posting here..

ill assume that most people here are aware of user nullius - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nullius-976210

But for those who do not, please take 20 minutes to read his posts. Everything this user posts is a pleasure to read, he is Eloquent with an amazing vocabulary, almost everything he posts has a certain level of humor.. and all this from a newbie? some people refuse to believe he isnt an Alt account, but personally I think the bloke is borderline genius.

Anyway - enough of me loving on him - I just wanted to point out that the merit system does work, and if you are struggling for a reason to spend merit I believe we should help level this bloke up to the Legendary range and I myself will donate 20 Merits a month to this cause, I do hope other sources will be willing to contribute as well

Please use this as a reference for any more bitching and moaning, tell people to step up the game to be more like nullius...

Nullius is a great person, i already read his posts and i am encouraged by the way he posts and gain merits.
Me too at first, struggling to get merits and rather than whining, i got some fresh idea which you trashed at first @TMAN ,but thanks god you finally realize my post and thread and gave me merits.
I already learn about nullius' posts, but since each person has its own style, i guess i cant do his style and i will continue my style to post, and i have some great idea for my next thread, hope i can finish it soon and hope you guys will be there

eddie13

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I have discovered this person's posts a while ago and read many of them.. If you read them you will likely find my name near to some..

This guy is an OG deepweb anon from what I gather and is far from a newbie..

Alt account? I see no reason to believe he would not have more accounts and why not?
This guy is a model example of why alt accounts are allowed and should not always be discouraged..

Wheelige

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IMO there is room for awarding of merit to people that do not possess the quality and entertainment that Nullius. If the merit system is seen only to rise the amazing to legendary status then that is all that will happen, and there will be floods of people that post tsunamis of threads complaining about the merit system. This goes against the shitposting purpose doesnt it? On the other hand if the merit system is used to bring people to an 'appropriate level' corresponding to their helpfulness, insightfulness and entertainment value that would achieve what my understanding of the merit system is. Give 1 merit to a helpful post, this levels up accounts slowly as it takes time to accumulate one a single merit basis. Give Nullius-esque posts 10 merit if they achieve the requisite level of brilliant posting, thus ensuring that deserving members gain higher ranks. This is my view of the intention behind the merit system, apologies is my noob-glasses are tinting my vision, and i think this would limit the waves of threads complaining about merit, which limits shit posts, thus completing BCTs true vision.

HashFace

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For a counter point, I offer this guy. https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rajatjain-1178404

I threw him a merit today for answering a question I had ... until then, he had zero merit above the 10 he was given as a member.

I went back and looked at a couple pages of his post history, and found him knowledgeable, intelligent, helpful to others, and communicated well in English although he lists India as his home country....

He’s also a few activity points short of full member ... But will be months away from ranking up at this pace... He’s not what I would consider a one-line shit poster, but will likely be left behind when it’s time to rank up ...

Cobalt9317

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I also see this user post in certain thread can't exactly remember where.

But there's one thing exceptional in that thread the single post of nullius have a lot of merit in it, and the only post that have a merit not to mention the thread.

I really doubt that nullius is not a former member or an alt account of anyone but evidence is showing itself that this user is a new and genuine one.
and extra ordinarily highly intelligent. The way he/she constructs those statement is like this user is the savior of shitposter.

minifrij

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Quote from: bobq on February 12, 2018, 05:13:22 AM

ie that the merit system can work only for a few exceptional members and not for the thousands of average ones.

So the merit system is working perfectly. Why should users be rewarded for being average?

hilariousetc

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Quote from: bobq on February 12, 2018, 05:13:22 AM

Nullius is a phenomenon, you can behold his quality and take him as an example as an intelligent human being, but you can't take him as an example for proving that the merit system is working. Since Nullius is exceptional, and probably THE ONLY ONE in the whole bitcointalk forum who has taken so many merits in such a little time, you would end up proving the exact contrary than intended, ie that the merit system can work only for a few exceptional members and not for the thousands of average ones. You can't tell people: come on, start to write books, everyone can, look at what Shackespeare could write, without even having a computer and a wordprocessor at hand!

Why not use him as an example? If you make intelligent posts you will get rewarded appropriately. You probably don't even have to make posts half as good as him to get merit, but the system works in that if you put in the effort you will be recognised for such and those users who are just here to write "I like bitcoin because it gives me profit and profit is good because it helps me with my daily needs" are going to get nowhere as they should. Exceptional users will fly through the ranks, good ones will get there pretty quickly, average users will take quite some time and shitposters will hopefully never get there. If the progress follows like this then the system will work as intended.

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Quote from: bobq on February 12, 2018, 05:13:22 AM

Nullius is a phenomenon, you can behold his quality and take him as an example as an intelligent human being, but you can't take him as an example for proving that the merit system is working. Since Nullius is exceptional, and probably THE ONLY ONE in the whole bitcointalk forum who has taken so many merits in such a little time, you would end up proving the exact contrary than intended, ie that the merit system can work only for a few exceptional members and not for the thousands of average ones. You can't tell people: come on, start to write books, everyone can, look at what Shackespeare could write, without even having a computer and a wordprocessor at hand!

But but.. how many merits did you get mr average?

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Nullius is a phenomenon, you can behold his quality and take him as an example as an intelligent human being, but you can't take him as an example for proving that the merit system is working. Since Nullius is exceptional, and probably THE ONLY ONE in the whole bitcointalk forum who has taken so many merits in such a little time, you would end up proving the exact contrary than intended, ie that the merit system can work only for a few exceptional members and not for the thousands of average ones. You can't tell people: come on, start to write books, everyone can, look at what Shackespeare could write, without even having a computer and a wordprocessor at hand!

TMAN

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on February 12, 2018, 01:40:17 AM

Oh I'd say not only is he a rarity, he's unique. Several orders of magnitude above posters his rank. It would be wildly unfair to use him as a standard, because even the above-average user won't be able to rise to nullius' s level of effort and talent.

Happy to give this dude merit, because he deserves it.

Exactly this - why reward mediocrity when excellence is shining through.. might as well just hand out participant medals.

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There are various other things to consider here as well. I am sure that the member you mentioned, must be making quality posts. But, if you analyze the complete forum, you will find very less number of members with such good writing skills. It does not necessarily mean that they are less knowledgeable.

Another thing I a see here is once a member gets merit from a member. Chances of getting merits from other members from same post also increases. This makes it more difficult for others.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on February 12, 2018, 01:31:49 AM

The merit system will work as intended for users like him so there's no need to give him extra merit just because, but I'm guessing he isn't an illiterate teenager from South East Asia only here to claim from signature campaigns so he doesn't have anything to worry about. It's those who can't speak English very well and couldn't hope to articulate themselves as well as he can that know they're in trouble hence all the whining. However, he is proof that if you are willing to contribute something worthwhile you will quickly get enough merit to rise through the ranks. Users like him will sadly be a rarity though.

Oh I'd say not only is he a rarity, he's unique. Several orders of magnitude above posters his rank. It would be wildly unfair to use him as a standard, because even the above-average user won't be able to rise to nullius' s level of effort and talent. I do find it hard to believe he's really a noob, but I've seen stranger things in life and I've been deceived many times before. Thus I'll take his existence and quality of posting at face value until someone shows otherwise.

Happy to give this dude merit, because he deserves it.

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The merit system will work as intended for users like him so there's no need to give him extra merit just because, but I'm guessing he isn't an illiterate teenager from South East Asia only here to claim from signature campaigns so he doesn't have anything to worry about. It's those who can't speak English very well and couldn't hope to articulate themselves as well as he can that know they're in trouble hence all the whining. However, he is proof that if you are willing to contribute something worthwhile you will quickly get enough merit to rise through the ranks. Users like him will sadly be a rarity though.

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Right this isnt 100% Meta, but as this is where the most bitching is done about the system I am posting here..

ill assume that most people here are aware of user nullius - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nullius-976210

But for those who do not, please take 20 minutes to read his posts. Everything this user posts is a pleasure to read, he is Eloquent with an amazing vocabulary, almost everything he posts has a certain level of humor.. and all this from a newbie? some people refuse to believe he isnt an Alt account, but personally I think the bloke is borderline genius.

Anyway - enough of me loving on him - I just wanted to point out that the merit system does work, and if you are struggling for a reason to spend merit I believe we should help level this bloke up to the Legendary range and I myself will donate 20 Merits a month to this cause, I do hope other sources will be willing to contribute as well

Please use this as a reference for any more bitching and moaning, tell people to step up the game to be more like nullius...

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