Topic: The Revolution in France & Europe (Read 979 times)

Its Confirmed The Police Military Complex is in Place .



The movie " They Live " 1988 .

Is a documentary.

not everything is played on the media so to tell you the great truth people are really getting fed up
I don't know what to say about it all but Government has to find a way to build trust

here we are again : a firefighter shot by Flash-Ball by the cops : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIUrWjkk_oU

what cops said in real time : https://twitter.com/SolidairesNord/status/1085240400204517377

This would be ironic since the banks are actually helping people face issues with low interest loans that are sometimes even lower than inflation.
Going against them would make sense of you seek anarchy, which could be the GJ hidden purpose after all, given they there is 0 consensus among them.

Yes of course, there are only 84k or 100k on the streets but this is growing and not everyone is on the streets. if those 80k have the support of at least 1 additional family member/friend = that is another 80k and more.

Imagine a Proof of Keys event in France now. Where people fed up with their government, the control and life in general went and demanded all their money from the banks?! Banks would have no way to cope with that. Chaos.  

Ok I was a bit reductive. They were 84k yesterday.
That's still very far from 70% x 66Millions.
And somehow I believe they are not the ones having the most money in the bank.

Last time I checked they was 110000 +

And that was in December.

The yellow vests are merely 10 000. It's kinda far away from 70%.

Obviously it is not possible to withdraw all a money from a bank, since they make money when according loans.

The issue they would be facing is a liquidity issue.

I wonder if the banks even have the money in their reserves somewhere.


Source: https://twitter.com/suprabo_/status/1082645942334046208?s=21&fbclid=IwAR1oXMG2Urq46HqSG8iH8w8rP7RX6GqbDavZKo-BwmyuUOajRFoxKNxn9kY

We can not. or with TOR only. Cause our government ask ip. I have vpn of course.. not enough. thks to theymos to  have explain me.

Just to say, video you saw, right now is 100 x more. I will open a fake account I guess. But now I said it.. you know

sorry guys, we fight hard.

Thanks for sharing the video. I know that most of Europe is pretty socialist. Does that include Macron? How about the people rioting?

I have to delete cause my country ask it.. sorry. Revolution on the way. Check your own sources, french one's are fake.

without naming any countries, this image has the wrongest information for 2018, now that the year is over , i will give the award for the silliest least accurate image on the internet.

there's an hide puzzle for 1k for that one who find it.

also the btc address is on the qr code, on the right.

help us.

I understand it takes an intelligent mind to understand the point here.

Here is a quote from the serious discussion rules.

A Little birdie told me that France and alot of Western Europe


Does Not Flouridate the Water.



Alot of people believe this is the main cause of the uprising in France and not all over the world.

It was the first weekend (act #1), since the cops showed who was the strongest. Saturday will be act #6 (week 6), it will be something like this again : https://www.facebook.com/Redfishstream/videos/1654480577986089/?type=2&theater

Liberation is just using eurostat data. they should be unbiased between germany and france.

Also you will find the same information between different newspapers or institutions. I just took the first I found.

Also I have lived the beginning of the refugee "crisis" in germany, trust me when I tell you this is nothing like we are experiencing in France.

some say it's a war against Globalism .

Others say its controlled Opposition !


What do you guys think ?

There are many mini macrons . but I think we need more revolutionaries 

PS I found an interesting video on facebook. I think we all can learn some lessons from it. https://www.facebook.com/EuropeSaysOXI/videos/vb.1681857028701440/1171537659660241/?type=2&theater

source liberation.fr in the same time..

Anyway. We are maybe the beginning of something in western Europe. Maybe...

Well I rounded up.

Germany gross 320 000, France around 40k. So only 8 times.

If you take in consideration population, Germany is 0.39/100 inhabitants, and France is 0.06.



Source

10 times less than Germany ?

damn...

(are you sure ?)

This part sounds a lot like US these days.

Regarding the rest of your post, I guess you might like the work of Houellebecq.
European countries accepting war refugees is hardly this kind of power play. But who knows, everyone can be wrong.

Also a lot of people in France (and now in Germany too) is actually protesting against this immigration. However France's refugee headcount is about 10 times less than germanys. Talking about equal effort between European countries. The "Fraternity" part of our devise is far away sometimes.

Good question! Let me explain..

Lets say we have a population of people that value western culture, they believe in personal liberty, national sovereignty, democracy and are productive enough to make it in the economy.

Now lets say you are a power hungry wannabe communist dictator of the country, or even higher, someone that want's to rule over this country and many others.

The citizens of this country believe in democracy but it's going to be extremely hard to get these people to vote away their rights and freedoms. They make it on their own in the economy so they don't value "free" stuff from the government..

Now what do you do? You propagandize them into letting in horde upon horde of immigrants and to give the immigrants free shit, or you are RACIST!

You get tons of them in so now you have a shit ton of voters that don't give much a fuck about France (or whatever country), they like their free shit and will vote for more free shit at every chance. They will vote away the rights of the people, the prosperity of the economy, and whatever other western morals for more free shit every time.

Congradulations! If you get enough of them now you have a big enough voting block to vote in anything you want as long as it comes with just a little more free shit for them!

But this hurts the economy... Good!
The poorer you can make the people the more likely you can get them to vote for free shit and the weaker they are the easier it is to take them over..

It is happening all across Europe with the immigrants and in the USA with the mexicans.
More votes for the left.

Climate change & CO2?
They are just trying to gt you to spend unnecessary money and make you poorer/weaker. Take your money and give it to others outside your country in the name of the CO2 myth.
Make you USE less energy - makes you poorer and less productive, weaker.

You can also propagandize degeneracy like transsexualism and all sorts of degenerate sexual shit - Why?
Because you are weakening the morals of the people!
Every bit of morality you can get them to throw away the easier it gets to get them to throw more away and take them over.

Once you get the population poor and week, you destroy their morals and culture, you can get them to agree to almost anything with the promise of free shit and TAKE THEM OVER.
Divide and conquer!

The entire western world IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW BEFORE YOUR EYES!! PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER AND CONNECT THE DOTS!
Soon they will own all of you if you don't wake up and fight it!


How then? Who is paying for it?
Someone is paying for it.. Out of your taxes or in debt in your name, someone is paying for it. Their is no magic free anything..




You definately are not to blame and shouldn't have to foot the bill either, but you are missing a critical part of the equation..

"we are all equal" - No you are not..
Everyone is not equally intelligent. Many people are just incapable of accomplishing the same education and understanding as others.
You need to take the IQ red pill..



They try to make you think that it is just a matter of opportunity and if you bring all these people in they will be doctors if they could just get access to education. NOPE
Much of them will NEVER have the intelligence it takes to compete and provide for themselves in your economy, will be more prone to violence, and vote for free stuff every chance they get for generations.

It is not their fault or your fault, but the truth.
You are lowering the IQ of your country hurting your future prosperity, but it's very good for everyone wanting to take you over..


No, what do you mean?


Yeah I can understand not counting them..

Don't understand why it would be in anyone's interest to aid immigration of unemployable people in some country?

To increase debt of that country?

You should read your post again and realize you are the one being childish.
Your post contains exactly 0 valid arguments and is basically just a personal attack.

You try to diminish the outreach of my post by attacking me with things that have exactly 0 relevance. I won't let you drag me in that mud.

As of my age, you'd be surprised, and you wouldn't be the first one.
People who disagree with you aren't just clueless kids, you have to admit it. Maybe some of the guys having other views than you do are actually smarter than you, bummer!

And if I came here, it is actually because JohnUser invited me to. I wasn't aware of this particular thread before posting in the one in Political discussion.

Have fun posting nonsense like this that actually deserves your own credibility.

Edit: So humiliation is your thing. Please enjoy your powertrip.

How about you start by being quiet ?
You just came here because you saw it as an opportunity to get a few merits. You noticed cestmoi got a few so you thought you could do the same.
You're just an arrogant kid with zero real life experience. All you know is what you read on the internet and you believe that makes you smart.
Newsflash : you are not !

So I'm not gonna bother reading you and even less answering you. I don't like you and I don't think anybody does in the French Community.
You're a mini-Macron actually.

/thread for me.

Les brouettes, on discute pas avec, on les pousse.

P.S : I humiliated this punk a few days ago in a French thread. He has done well by staying away from me until now. But I guess he just grew some balls knowing he got merits from the boss. Don't talk to me aschounet, don't talk to me. I'll do you a favor and do the same (trust me, it's a favor).

Wow. I don't know where to start.

1- The raise in taxes is just the echo of the bill voted in 2015 to introduce carbon emissions in the TICPE
2- The government doesn't care about decreasing debt. Debt isn't even a bad thing in our actual economy
3- The maires make their own team vote on their salary. This is hardly coming from above. Every city/community is deciding for themselves. The increase of the salary of the ministers is a bad idea, yes. However it doens't change a thing in the big picture. Neither does the 1 or 2 millions you were talking in another post.
4- The ISF was unfair and stupid. The ISI is too. The idea was to push for investing in equities to drive the economy. Generating higher returns for state through a boomerang effect. It is actually a smart move, and could also help slower the increase of the prices in housing which is way too high.
5- I am 100% for more direct democracy.
6- the purchasing power of medium households is steadily increasing for the past 25 years.
7- Calming people down that are causing 2 digits losses in the 2018 GDP and bringing the french economy to the edge of collapse is the way to go. A lot of small companies are hemoraging cash because no parts are coming in. This is bad for every employee in France, and for everyone getting any benefit from France's social system. I am 100% for the right to demonstrate. But not by taking the rest of the population hostage. This is just driving investments away.

Also I am against any form of violence, be it the destruction of private or public property by some of the demonstrants, vs the police, or police violence vs demonstrants that is abusive.

I do not blame the people of France for the fact that they go out and defend their interests - on the contrary I will say that they are great.
In our country, only doing show demonstrations, uprisings in other countries say how bad it is!
But when the meetings are held all over the country, we have no TV channel that doesn't want to show, and maybe afraid. This shows the weakness of the government, the cowardice and helplessness, because if the masses of people know about the meetings they too will begin to emerge. So I urge television to always tell the truth.
People are dissatisfied, people leave-so the government deserved it and you shouldn't hide it before the people. This is just a normal adequate democracy.

I have already read it and replied, then posted it in local French... which redirected me here because the discussion is more serious.

Nothing is official in these claims. Thus no political party can take it on its own.

Only the RIC is unanimous (and the purchasing power).

Look what they're doing to us, 1mn video :



Edit : @kenzawak already have summary it :

referendum is one of the very few demands that I read that does not increases government control. Just read a few more here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5086257.0;topicseen

No, we don't want that the government solve our problems, neither give them more power, it's the opposite.

I see that yellow vests are demanding an increase in minimum wage, social justice, more rights, wealth tax...

They want that the State increases the control over the economy and the society. That the government solve their problems.. that's understandable, as government fucked up... But giving more power to the government is not the way.

Real changes are achieved only by long term proposals. raising minimum wage overnight is not solving anything for example. Wage is determined by how much wealth an employer can produce, if it raises and the employer do not become more productive, he will not be hired.

France is already one of the most repressed economies in Europe according to heritage foundation.
https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

@legaulois (ça faisait longtemps mec ;)

How do you know the number of arrests much better than everyone?

I would really like to have your source... especially since I have seen so many and so many.... Not to mention all the preventive arrests (thanks to facebook). Saturday it was almost impossible to enter into Paris.

You're talking about arrest only people "who want to burn the street", is that a joke?

I think you saw many video.. here there's no censorship: https://t.me/lesgiletsjaunes

@eddie13

Funny you say this because the president increased the minimum wage up to 100€ with no cost for companies, so yes it is possible.
And btw, the companies you're talking are already gone is other countries AFTER receiving millions of euros from the government. Our money Yep

We can't be blamed for people with a low education level. We go to the same free school, have the same teacher and same pen to write so we are all equal if somebody decides to fuck up his education nothing we can do. if they prefer to smoke joints on the city benches, there's nothing we can do about it.

Immigrants jobs don't exist, immigrants can't work in France, and nobody is really interested to hire someone not speaking the local language and  who lives in huts similar to garbage cans

@eddie13
See, Not only he increased the minim wage up to 100€ but people won't pay more taxes, in fact, people will pay less (perhaps 5% 10%)

Just for fun, I would like to point out we are the only country in the world to have a tax of taxes. Does it make sense?

@eddie13

That's exactly what I was talking to, the numbers are never accurate and overestimated in the country and I can tell you why: it's always like this with stats about riots, you need to check (what we call t) the 'trade union' stats and not others

From the previous protests the arrests were so marginal, and people who were arrested are people who are not interested to protest, they are just interested to burn the street, destroy the shop to steal inside, and so on, they are not considered as a part of the protest. I have even seen some yellow vests helping to arrest them lol. But of course, people like your great MSNs is not aware, or is aware but like to repeat like a parrot what media are saying.
Yes arrests in the small town are included and the Overseas territories of France too.

State channels in Russia also show unrest in France. The opposition in Russia gives us the French as an example. The French are wonderful people! Vivat

President Putin scares the people of Russia. In France, the revolution. He asks people: what do you want? Do you want like in France?

Many people in Russia dream of living in France. Therefore, the words of the president sound like sarcasm for them.

There is also an opinion that the real reason for the protests lies deeper than popular discontent. Behind the protests are big forces. Such a force could be the United States. US wants to create a single European army. But Macron is against. He wants national strong French army.

At the moment no government is trying to reduce private, national or corporate debt. Debt is slavery, and the deep states uses it to further enslave nations and populations. Taxation is used to fund deep state projects - regime changes, national asset stripping, supporting the immigration of the unemployable and those aiming to destroy national cultures.

Macron is a deep state banker, so obviously his policies are going to be bad for France and the French people.

I'm not sure..
Even though they stand to increase their income it also increases their POWER.
I think it directly has to do with the good old communist takeover, one world government, ultimate authoritarian, NWO type of thing. Weaken the west so you can more easily take it over. No joke.

If they were so concerned about reducing the debt they would spend/waste less money virtue signaling with net negative immigrants and "clean" energy.
Reducing energy consumption weakens you, making it more expensive, taxing you more in the name of it weakens you. Install a divided population weakens you.
Weakens your collective power to will forward the freedom that made the west great and sovereignty in favor of free shit and a safety net in exchange for control.

Let's get a few things straight :

- French government doesn't give a fuck about the environment. They tried to use climate change as an excuse to raise taxes on diesel oil(supposedly worse than regular gas or batteries). Only a small % of those taxes are meant to go into the environment budget. Even our former Minister in charge of Ecology gave up and resigned because he felt helpless.
-Those taxes are raising in order to reduce the state debt, nothing else.
-While the government is asking the poor to pay, it has raised the ministers salaries 20% last year. Same for some of the biggest cities mayors (+40%). Parliament members also have immunity even though many of them have had legal issues in the past (mostly tax fraud). French people are tired of all politicians, whatever their side is, they're fed up with the whole system.
-France is a country of privileges... for politicians but also for the most powerful people. Macron has canceled ISF which was a tax the richest people had to pay. To sum it up, now more than ever, the poor get poorer and the rich get richer.
-The yellow vests are of course asking for more money but also for the right to interfere in the big decisions made by the State. They want what we call the RIC (if you get a petition signed by more than 700 000 people, a referendum has to be held). They also want Macron to resign but that will never happen.
-Macron made a speech this week saying he would raise household purchasing powers but those measures are bullshit (all economists say so), completely fake and only here to try to calm people down and divide them.

One last thing, do not believe everything you hear in the French media. Most of them are controlled by "supporters" of Macron.

The MSM is just pinning it on the gas tax so they have an excuse and don't have to mention the real reasons for the protests. It is much more convienent for them to say it is about the fuel tax than to have to say it is about them being sick of paying so much taxes in general to support oodles of immigrants and the nonsense virtue signaling war against CO2 while they can barely get by themselves.


You think raising the minimum wage is the answer?
Maybe one day France will wake up and realize that LESS government is the answer, not more.

If you raise the minimum wage you will just drive more companies/investments out of your country and it will be harder for your immigrants to find ANY job to pull some of their own weight, and it will be harder for all of you to find any job because it will be harder to companies to afford to hire any of you.

You take in so many people that are illiterate in their native languages, much less in French, with little to no education at all.
How high of wages are they worthy of? How much do you want to force any company to pay them for what value they can bring?

If companies DON'T hire them then they will be "racist", so they will, and they will get little value from them while being forced to pay them a high wage..
No one is going to invest in that and these companies are going to flee for regulatory arbitrage.

Go ahead and raise the minimum wage. You do realize that if taxes are for example 50% then your "raise" you will only get 50% of whatever the raise is, and just pay MORE taxes.

Do you want your raise so you can pay more in taxes or are you sick of the high taxes and all the frivolous crap they spend your tax money on?


https://www.france24.com/en/20181209-over-1700-arrested-latest-yellow-vest-protests-france

A few of these say 1,700 a week ago "More than 1,700 people were arrested across France during the latest "yellow vest" protests"..
What about arrests that were from previous "not the latest" yellow vests protests?
Do you think they are accounting for all the arrests in all of the small towns and other cities across the nation?
Do you think it is in the MSMs best interest to state the highest number they can count?

Even just your numbers are over 1,000, which is a lot still....
But the entire thing is "Fake" and you completely discredit one of the greatest philosophers of our time over a slight difference in statistics?
Why does the exact number matter so much and how would you propose to come to an official exact number anyway?

Nah..
Close enough.. A lot is a lot..

I just watched one of the videos for a few minutes and got enough. The guy hasn't the right data to talk.
It's fake, not +1900 persons have been arrested. 150 last Saturday, 900 2 weeks ago, we are far from the 2000 he is talking about.

Also, he didn't understand correctly what's going on in France, it's not only about Oil taxes...

It's about the daily life of people, they are tired to work full time since years and are not able to save $20 at the end of the month. Prices are outrageous but minimum wage doesn't follow, Frenches are just asking to get a decent life, especially since they have a job, having enough food and go to holidays once a year.

About the migrant topics the guys maybe didn't know that the migrants were hired by France not to immigrate but to either fight during the war or re-build the country after the world war, the country was full of jobs and not enough workers. Then as a thanks for the nation offered them to stay in the country

France is a part of Europe. It is even in the European Union unlike Russia.

The revolution is world wide, andit isn't confined to Europe, Trump is fighting the bankster thefts of savings and assets. China is trying to replace the central banks control of the Petro dollar. Britain is fighting to stop the morphed British Empire keeping it in the asset suction cleaner that it owns ( the mis-named Eurpoean Union ).

I treat such people with respect, they are fighting for their own benefit, which is not true of my third world country, all people endure here, they are torn by what is happening in the country and they don’t try to change anything.

"Now representatives from the French Communist Party, the Socialist Party and the far-left populist movement France Unbowed (La France Insoumise) have come together to table the motion against Macron’s government."
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/12/macron-government-to-face-no-confidence-vote-following-french-protests.html

They are trying to swing this like the solution is to move FURTHER left, but the left has been the problem the entire time.

The high taxes they are rioting about is from the increasing leftism. The immigration that is sucking tax money and destroying the culture is the push for leftism to dilute western values of the voting population.

The entire thing is a setup for communist takeover, and now the communists are going to try to step in and "save the day" while all of this has been their plan ALL ALONG to TAKE OVER THE WEST!

Don't let the commies win!

France! Please shake the cobwebs out of your heads from the brainwash fog that has been pressed upon you before it is too late and you are all in gulags!

Their is a MASSIVE international scheme to confuse and weaken the west so THEY can take over and achieve ULTIMATE POWER!
This is a war for control of the free world and you don't even know it! All of the pushed degeneracy, white guilt, immigration, and every step further left is one step closer to their ultimate goal.
Wake up!

Every time a leftist proposes ANYTHING - THINK - How does this proposition advance their ultimate goal agenda of authoritarian one world government domination?
It ALWAYS does! Inch by inch they are winning.

Lol France is really fuked up. Worse than I thought. Looks like a third world country history .
We live this kind of policies in Brazil for years too..

It's not a rumor unless you are under some sort of censorship blackout where you are. I've heard a lot of videos/channels on youtube aren't viewable from france and their is a MSM media blackout on the subject ofcorse.

This is quite informative on the subject.
https://youtu.be/TNyVcP0e5hw

If it won't let you watch it hop on TOR.

WeAreChange has a lot of good videos on it too..
https://www.youtube.com/user/wearechange/videos

But Stefan (first link) really gets to the root cause.

I am not from Europe, but I read in some newspaper that Macron wants to change France's energetic matrix radically. France relies heavily on nuclear power plants and few eolic energy. He also wants to reduce co2 emissions.

All that change comea with a cost, which must be paid with higher taxes , which increases the price of everything in the country (especially electricity, which is going to be more expensive in this new scenario).

Political correctness and climate change  expensive policies. Do the people really want to pay that price?

It is not only about gas, it is about the constant small and bigger price increases in food, electricity, healtcare etc.
As one pensioner from France said in an interview a few days ago:
I am here protesting against the government because after paying my bills, there is hardly anything left. I cant afford any luxuries because the money that is left can only be used for food and clothing.

There are these rumors on the internets.......


People taking to the streets demanding change of government and corrupt media and banking system.


A war is happening and its being censored by mainstream media.


They will tell you it's because of Gas but the people are saying they are fed up.!