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These sales really convey a lack of confidence in the company.

A company that does not have marketed products made a great profit on nothing but a skillful announcement at the right moment whereby some individuals (of course those at the top of the pyramid) became rich literally overnight. For those who won't read the article, here's what it looks like :

Lorence Kim, Moderna's chief financial officer, exercised 241,000 options for $3 million on Monday, filings show. He then immediately sold them for $19.8 million, creating a profit of $16.8 million. The next day, Tal Zaks, Moderna's chief medical officer, spent $1.5 million to exercise options. He immediately sold the shares for $9.77 million, triggering a profit of $8.2 million.

Of course, everything is seemingly legal because it is done according to existing laws, which are often made to order - in the sense that business people finance political campaigns, and politicians then pay them back through law-making mechanisms. But this is just another proof of how easy it is to convince people to invest money in a company that doesn't even have the product in question. I think it's always good to remember situations like this when someone starts talking about Bitcoin being a scam, and realistically it's a lot fairer and more transparent than most stocks.
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Update: Moderna unveiled encouraging coronavirus vaccine results. Then top execs dumped nearly $30 million of stock

The sales were probably legal, but the fact that executives dumped their stocks into this week's rally lends some credence to the idea that the interim results and press release were over hyped. These sales really convey a lack of confidence in the company.
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I thought that the process of creating,testing and licensing a working vaccine against COVID-19 would take at least one year.I guess that some profit hungry pharmaceutical companies are rushing the entire process,which seems kinda illegal to me.Creating a vaccine that has side effects would be devastating.

Rushing the process might be okay, as long as the FDA and its global counterparts continue to enforce safety and efficacy standards. It probably just means most vaccine candidates will fail:

The need of a vaccine against the coronavirus might be exaggerated.After one year,most of the people around the world might create a group immunity against the virus,which is better than a vaccine.

Yes but the problem is the high hospitalization rate. If hospitals are overrun by the corona virus, other emergency medical problems (in addition to corona virus patients) will be neglected and death rates will rise. Antibody studies are mostly showing 5-10% population exposure at most, which means left unaddressed, outbreaks will get much worse (in terms of hospitalizations, and deaths) than what we have already seen.

I wouldn't be surprised if all this is fake news,created to pump the stocks of this Moderna company.

Yep, Moderna's press release reads like an altcoin pump-and-dump scheme. They tried to hype the fact that all 45 subjects developed binding antibodies. What really matters is that 8 of those 45 subjects developed neutralizing antibodies. At what levels? We don't know. What of the other 37 participants? We don't know. There's a total lack of data and context offered which makes me suspicious their results are truly not very promising.

They are just interim Phase 1 results too. For some perspective: 37% of vaccines fail in Phase 1. 69% of the remaining candidates fail in Phase 2. 42% of the remaining candidates fail in Phase 3. 15% fail at the final approval stage.

Just another example of how stock prices and fundamentals are completely disconnected from one another. Stock prices are being driven by emotional hope and optimism for recovery, and also by Fed liquidity injections, not realistic earnings (or even potential earnings) value.
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I thought that the process of creating,testing and licensing a working vaccine against COVID-19 would take at least one year.I guess that some profit hungry pharmaceutical companies are rushing the entire process,which seems kinda illegal to me.Creating a vaccine that has side effects would be devastating.
The need of a vaccine against the coronavirus might be exaggerated.After one year,most of the people around the world might create a group immunity against the virus,which is better than a vaccine.
I wouldn't be surprised if all this is fake news,created to pump the stocks of this Moderna company.
 
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Is it ethical to let people die because they don't have the $$$? To treat people in rich countries instead those in poor countries? This crisis is shining a bright light on some of the questionable ethical standards that underpin the modern world.
I do not think that pharmaceutical companies will benefit from the development of the vaccine because there will be chaos that will surely ensue when that happens, this will be distributed like polio, measles, flu vaccines. The best case scenario that can happen is the vaccine is distributed to all people as I hope so, the worst case is government will use it for political leverage to make them good in the picture. In the case of pharmaceutical companies growing in the stock market, they will benefit from the virus but not financially, when all of this is over then that is when people realize the importance of health and this companies will develop new medicines and treatments that will engage consumers to buy.
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DEVELOPING: Moderna Vaccine Whiplash Demands Better Disclosure

Quote from: Bloomberg.com
Interpreting drug trial data releases is difficult in the best of circumstances. And usually, it's just a problem for the subset of investors who focus on the sector. In the middle of a pandemic, a whole world is throwing money around on press releases, and it's making a mess of expectations and the market.

U.S. stocks soared Monday on the publication of early human vaccine data from Moderna Inc., only to reverse course Tuesday after an article from the excellent health news publication Stat highlighted its limits and the long and highly uncertain path ahead. It’s similar to what happened in late April, when markets reacted and retrenched after a limited rollout of results from a trial of Gilead Science's Inc.'s virus treatment remdesivir. It was enough to get the drug approved on a limited basis, but doctors and investors alike are still waiting for something more than a basic analysis weeks later.

This boom-confusion-bust cycle doesn't benefit anybody, except for companies such as Moderna that raise money at hyped-up valuations. Unsophisticated  investors aren't going to understand the nuances of drug development overnight. All this suggests that when it comes to a race for a vaccine with unprecedented scientific, public health, and policy implications, there ought to be a higher standard on disclosure.

Pharmaceutical companies routinely release so-called "topline" data, an initially limited snapshot of results in a press release, and then follow up with more detailed information at a later date. It's also not at all uncommon to report interim results from incomplete ongoing studies. Even by that standard, Moderna's release has issues. The company's phase one trial was primarily intended as a first look at the vaccine's safety rather than a hard test of whether it works. While the safety disclosures didn't produce big red flags, they also weren't flawless or especially detailed, especially considering that the company's technology has never produced a widely used human vaccine.

Though it wasn't the focus of the trial, efficacy data got the highest billing in the company's press release and the most attention as the world grasps for hope about a quicker route back to normalcy. One of the principal sources of excitement — the claim that the vaccine created neutralizing antibodies equivalent to those in recovered individuals in a subset of patients — came from a group of just eight people. Even though scientists are still in the earliest stages of figuring out the immune response to this virus, Moderna provided no hard data on the level of antibodies produced or the yardstick it was measuring against. The world will have to wait for an indeterminate period for that information, and to see whether it translates to a protective effect in the real world.

It's possible that Moderna had a predetermined plan to release results and followed it. Companies have to disclose material information, and there are more gray areas with this sort of early open-label trial. However, to the extent that there was latitude, investors and the world would arguably have been better served had the company waited a few weeks to get more followup data and released far more detail. The company created the conditions for a narrative to run ahead of the data, and other vaccine developers should avoid its example.

None of this is to say that the results are bad; they're enough to proceed to and help inform larger trials. They're just shaky justification for a huge rally in Moderna’s already elevated stock given the more difficult trials ahead for the vaccine, its uncertain commercial prospects, and the many other candidates in development, let alone for a broader surge. The release confirms that this vaccine is a viable candidate in a long race, not that one is coming dramatically sooner.

The enormous import of the ongoing work from Moderna and other companies and the public funds flowing in their direction should come with extra responsibility.

Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-05-20/moderna-vaccine-whiplash-demands-better-data-disclosure

It's good that investors and laymen alike aren't putting their whole trust and confidence on the findings of Moderna's vaccine. As ThePharmacist has pointed out, biotech firms aren't really known for holding value on their stocks for far too long, and here we see Moderna Inc. tanking down from $80 a share to $71 in just a day. Through the 'incomplete' and 'poorly-detailed' results released by the firm, many started to raise questions on the safety and efficacy of the vaccine, and with those questions come the investors confidence. Most probably didn't sell because they don't believe in Moderna, but any sane man/investor seeing his money grow almost double overnight would really go and take the profits rather than risk something on a rather shaky claim.

This is where things would get tricky for Moderna, as they are the first who boldly claim that their vaccines 'work' without highlighting what side-effects the test subjects experienced. The whole world is watching their every move since they stimulated hope in the minds of those who wish this pandemic ends sooner, including the minds of the money-maker not only looking for normalcy but also looking at the next piggy bank which they can take some cash from.
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That's great that a successful vaccine might be on the horizon relatively soon, but as far as the stocks of companies that make vaccines (even ones that get widely used, like for seasonal flu), I don't think Moderna or any other biotech company is going to be able to hold onto gains like 39% over the long term. 

I remember the biotech boom of the late 90s, though for the life of me I can't remember what sparked that, and that turned out to be a bubble just like any other one.  A biotech company or big pharma firm might make a bockbuster drug, but it takes a lot of money up front to do so, plus they only have the patent on the drug for about 14 years. 

But we'll see.  I'm not sure if coronavirus is going to turn out to be a fast-mutating virus, where a new vaccine is going to have to be developed every year, or if a vaccine will impart lifelong immunity.  If the latter is the case, a COVID-19 vaccine might not be the big moneymaker people think it's going to be.

There are so many strains of COVID alone, so I don't know if they can develop a vaccine that can generally address those different types of strains. And you have a point on that, they are mutating and so the vaccine developed today might not be effective in the long run. Also, most pharma companies are funded by government like Moderna. So they really do not have problem with initial funding for their testings.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-16/moderna-snares-483-million-u-s-funding-for-covid-vaccine-tests
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Right now, the vast majority of companies involved in the development of a vaccine against coronavirus are very, very strong when compared with other stock-exchange stocks. Against cryptocurrencies, growth is, of course, not so impressive.
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That's great that a successful vaccine might be on the horizon relatively soon, but as far as the stocks of companies that make vaccines (even ones that get widely used, like for seasonal flu), I don't think Moderna or any other biotech company is going to be able to hold onto gains like 39% over the long term. 

I remember the biotech boom of the late 90s, though for the life of me I can't remember what sparked that, and that turned out to be a bubble just like any other one.  A biotech company or big pharma firm might make a bockbuster drug, but it takes a lot of money up front to do so, plus they only have the patent on the drug for about 14 years. 

That's what I am seeing as well. For now, people are seeing the use of biotech and pharma companies since they are the ones capable of producing vaccines that can potentially eradicate this virus. But once the threat of COVID-19 has already been erased, and normalcy is returned to its original state, I don't think the money would be sitting quite idly on these same firms and we might see the biggest crashes in the pharma/biotech space.

But we'll see.  I'm not sure if coronavirus is going to turn out to be a fast-mutating virus, where a new vaccine is going to have to be developed every year, or if a vaccine will impart lifelong immunity.  If the latter is the case, a COVID-19 vaccine might not be the big moneymaker people think it's going to be.

The mutation of the virus on several key proteins is rated @ 10% faster compared to other key proteins/sequences, enough to make vaccine makers somewhat scratch their heads on what to do next. However on a general note, this vaccine would still potentially negate SARS-CoV-2 in its entirety until it is produced since the whole virus itself isn't really mutating at an alarmingly fast rate. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity to whomever gets the right formula for the vaccine so they must finish it quick.
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That's great that a successful vaccine might be on the horizon relatively soon, but as far as the stocks of companies that make vaccines (even ones that get widely used, like for seasonal flu), I don't think Moderna or any other biotech company is going to be able to hold onto gains like 39% over the long term. 

I remember the biotech boom of the late 90s, though for the life of me I can't remember what sparked that, and that turned out to be a bubble just like any other one.  A biotech company or big pharma firm might make a bockbuster drug, but it takes a lot of money up front to do so, plus they only have the patent on the drug for about 14 years. 

But we'll see.  I'm not sure if coronavirus is going to turn out to be a fast-mutating virus, where a new vaccine is going to have to be developed every year, or if a vaccine will impart lifelong immunity.  If the latter is the case, a COVID-19 vaccine might not be the big moneymaker people think it's going to be.
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These companies are the only hope to mankind now. Covid-19 shook the entire world and we are now standing on the verge of an economic collapse. Millions have lost their lives and other millions are fighting with it. Currently, the world is simple unsure about which direction it would go.

There is no need to exaggerate things and present false data on millions of deaths, if something more than 320000 deaths have been confirmed so far. Furthermore, the world was already on the brink of economic collapse or a new recession long before the virus appeared, as many countries were already in a technical recession. Instead of blaming incompetent and corrupt politicians for a bad life, they now have a good excuse to sell us the story for years of how the virus destroyed the economy and how they defeated that same virus so we all have to sacrifice ourselves to get through the crisis.

At the same time, they will get rich because they have invested in companies that produce protective equipment or vaccines against viruses. And while most think the virus vaccine will solve the whole problem, one may wonder why people still get the common flu, and various vaccines have been around for years?

Seasonal flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people worldwide each year, according to a new estimate that's higher than the previous one of 250,000 to 500,000 deaths a year.
The new figures from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other groups were published Dec. 13 in The Lancet medical journal.
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There are still some rooms for failure for Moderna's vaccine, but for the mean time, people are waking up and trying to put some money on an industry that has long been neglected by the wealthy elite and the average Joe's alike. Perhaps in 2020 we will see a trend wherein biotech firms outdo other companies in terms of stock performance, or as long as there is the threat of COVID-19 lingering around every corner.

These companies are the only hope to mankind now. Covid-19 shook the entire world and we are now standing on the verge of an economic collapse. Millions have lost their lives and other millions are fighting with it. Currently, the world is simple unsure about which direction it would go.

So the surge of 39% is not surprising. If the company become successful in their 2nd trial as well, the share price will go up by another notch. Opportunists will always find ways to make money but the world is waiting for a vaccine of COVID-19 badly!
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I saw that. It is certainly encouraging news in the progress towards a vaccine.

The issue of chemical/biotech firms profiting out of this is an interesting one. This pandemic has thrown into stark focus how different countries around the world measure value, it has set economic wellbeing against human lives. Some countries such as the UK are easing lockdown too early in an attempt to mitigate economic damage, at the expense of a rising death toll. Most countries put money before people by failing to implement initial lockdowns in time, and ended up paying a heavier economic price than would have been the case had they acted sooner.

And now we come again to money vs people, this time from a vaccines perspective. The UK and US have been arguing against patent pooling for anti-CV19 drugs and vaccines.

Is it ethical to let people die because they don't have the $$$? To treat people in rich countries instead those in poor countries? This crisis is shining a bright light on some of the questionable ethical standards that underpin the modern world.
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Moderna skyrockets 39% after its early trial of a coronavirus vaccine produced antibodies in all 45 patients (MRNA)

  • Moderna announced on Monday that all 45 patients in an early trial of its coronavirus vaccine candidate produced antibodies that could help protect them against COVID-19.
  • Shares of the company surged 39%.
  • The company is aiming to have a vaccine ready for emergency use in the fall.

Moderna soared on Monday after announcing that an early trial of its coronavirus vaccine candidate produced positive results.
Shares of the pharmaceutical company surged as much as 39% in premarket trading in New York after it said that all 45 volunteers in the trial produced antibodies that may help protect them against COVID-19.
The phase-one trial was conducted by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, part of the National Institutes of Health.

Moderna is aiming to have a vaccine ready for emergency use in the fall — a timeline that has never been seen for vaccine development. The company hopes to soon start a mid-stage study of the vaccine candidate after the phase-one trial and move to a late-stage trial in July.
Moderna is one of a handful of pharmaceutical companies whose shares have skyrocketed during the coronavirus crisis as they race to develop drugs and vaccines to prevent or treat COVID-19. The pharmaceutical company had gained 241% this year through Friday's close.

Source: https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/moderna-stock-price-positive-vaccine-trial-results-antibodies-coronavirus-covid19-2020-5-1029210803

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While other companies focused on other ventures continue to tank, stocks of pharma and biotech firms continue to rise as people see the immediate need for a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2. While some firms are busy concocting the drug against COVID-19 such as Gilead Inc's remdesivir, others are focused solely on getting the formula right for a vaccine such as Moderna Inc. On Monday, the biotech firm announced its positive interim phase 1 data for its mRNA vaccine (mRNA-1273) which ultimately boosted investor confidence on the company releasing the vaccine before the year end. If the second phase of human trials shows yet another positive results, we probably have the vaccine made and ready, with Moderna reaping the benefits of its success.

There are still some rooms for failure for Moderna's vaccine, but for the mean time, people are waking up and trying to put some money on an industry that has long been neglected by the wealthy elite and the average Joe's alike. Perhaps in 2020 we will see a trend wherein biotech firms outdo other companies in terms of stock performance, or as long as there is the threat of COVID-19 lingering around every corner.
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