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legendary
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February 03, 2022, 09:06:13 AM
#13
I think for movements like anti work to have a chance of success, society must revert back to independent farming communities.
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Those who are self sufficient and grow their own food, have reduced reliance upon work for survival.

So let's go back to the stone age because poeple don't want to work.
Problem is that when we're back at stone age levels those who don't work are either expelled from the tribe or chopped into food.
So why destroy our entire civilization when we can take the required steps now, of course not chopping for food part.

And btw, and trust me, as this comes from a guy whose entire family did nothing else than farming, a so-called self-sufficient life that is based entirely on farming the land on individual small plots is a nightmare, something that would really make me think of either running to another country or even simply ending it all rather than regressing back to it. I'm almost sure that 99% of the people who think this might be a good idea have played more FarmVille than actually cutting their lawn.

I think that moving towards a world where people work because they want to, not because they need it to survive, is the future. It can be achieved by introducing the universal basic income, and this is something that he can move toward by replacing many jobs currently done by people with machines.

So this basic income means basically that others are going to pay for some poeple who don't want to work. Why?
Let's make a poll here, how many of the poeple owning bitcoin would like to see a 5% fee on each transaction that would be used to give bitcoins for free to the ones that don't have any?  Pretty easy to say let's give money away when it is not your money that gets thrown away.

Nothing is going to come out of this movement, it's extremely disorganized, the recent Fox News interview fiasco proves it. In a few years there will be some new hot topic among the reddit's leftists.

The leftist media is fuming
https://www.theguardian.com/global/2022/jan/31/fox-news-jesse-watters-antiwork-subreddit-interview
But seriously, that interview showed what you can expect from the guys wanting to reform the economy, not really a dogwalk in the park.
legendary
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February 03, 2022, 08:36:29 AM
#12
I think that moving towards a world where people work because they want to, not because they need it to survive, is the future. It can be achieved by introducing the universal basic income, and this is something that he can move toward by replacing many jobs currently done by people with machines. Maintaining equipment is less expensive than paying salaries, and the leftover money can be spent on universal basic income. Some experiments with universal basic income were already conducted, and another trend is reducing work time from a 40-hour week to, say, a 30-hour week.
It's reasonable that people are protesting against unfair working conditions, but also, more radically, against the whole idea that you have to work to ensure your survival. And it is true that we're living in the world of overproduction, so producing less and thus working less is also perfectly reasonable.
legendary
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February 03, 2022, 04:47:54 AM
#11
Capitalism always finds a way to protect their money and therefore the working hours will increase and then the feeling of inequality and the desire to increase the wage and reduce the working hours will begin.
Education is the key to getting out of the crisis, which is for workers to stop spending all the money they have and start thinking about new ways to invest in real assets away from more homes and new cars.
Overall, the growth of the protest movement is good, but the numbers seem shy compared to the numbers of workers around the world.
hero member
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February 03, 2022, 03:11:04 AM
#10
People quitting their jobs finding excuses but in reality they get stimulus package so they dont need to work anymore.
Well, for those that have received the stimulus pack and invested it to assets like bitcoin have increased their money. But to say that they don't need to work anymore, I doubt it that it's due to the stimulus package. It's not really a huge amount for them and it's just a sort of fund for just a few weeks to months of survival. There's really a crisis in some states about people no longer want to work and you see those companies are even giving high signing bonus since only a few signs up for work.
legendary
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February 03, 2022, 02:33:56 AM
#9
I think for movements like anti work to have a chance of success, society must revert back to independent farming communities. Those who are self sufficient and grow their own food, have reduced reliance upon work for survival. Granting them greater bargaining power and leverage in negotiations relating to wages, working conditions and all that applies. Depending too much upon the private sector for work has shifted the scales in their favor. Causing a state of imbalance.

There is no doubt levels of employee dissatisfaction are trending upwards sharply. People are unhappy. The stability and robustness of economies is in question. I don't think anyone would disagree with basic points like these. The real question is what path should be taken, which policies or ideology should be pursued in an effort to improve circumtances for the better. That aspect appears to be what the anti work movement is missing at the moment.

That's great for theory but not practical! The entire education system is formed to create workers, not thinkers! Now this COVID has given a great time to a lot of people to re-think the purpose of their life and the result is - The great resignation! But majority of these people are finding new jobs with better pay and possibly better work culture. A very minor percentage are looking for alternative employment like farming etc. So I don't think the Anti-work movement has a chance to survive. Because there is one universal truth - Money! Without money, you can't even start farming! So in reality, Anti-work movement doesn't exist. The way of life of a very insignificant percentage of the population doesn't matter!

But what would happen is that the corporate culture will be re-shaped for better. Companies will understand the need of a non-toxic work culture. Managers will have to change their way of dealing to retain the talents. The overall work culture will improve. Anti-work wouldn't happen in reality!


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February 03, 2022, 01:12:04 AM
#8
It's natural to have movements like this pop up when the purchasing power of your salary keeps getting lower and lower every year, and you're expected to do more and more for the same salary.

Society in many countries seems to be designed so that the vast majority of people spend most of their time working at a job and getting paid enough to almost survive, paycheck to paycheck. Rich people need working class people to serve them basically. They need people to clean their homes, build their homes, make their cars, serve them at the bar, cook them a meal at a restaurant, etc. Rich people are only able to enjoy a rich life when there's working class people around them. If you are the only person in an island, it doesn't matter how much money you have.

This is all relatively fine until the working class people is fed up, which is what's starting to happen. Working class people are starting to realize they will never get enough money to buy a home in some parts of the world. We're now living in a world in which the super rich are buying multi-million apartments and keeping them empty, similar to just buying fine art for example while a lot of people are becoming homeless. This is Manhattan's Billionaires' Row, which started around a decade ago. And the rich people pay less taxes in those units than normal apartments. It's the same in London's Billionaires' row. It's happening everywhere.

If the wealth inequality grows too much, we'll see social unrest in that place, and also movements like anti-work and protest would start to appear. Here you can see how the inequality in the US is large compared to other countries, and this data is from 2019, pre-covid. Now things are considerably worse:

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February 03, 2022, 12:47:44 AM
#7
A little history on the antiwork movement. It gained attention as a more serious concept and a philosophical view in the late 1800s with Marxism and Paul Lafargue and then spilled over to the post-IIWW Europe with the Situationist International and manny anarchist philosophers of the time. The name doesn't do it justice as it's more about the right to choose employment, refuse forced labor (that was a thing back then), different types of workplace structure, and the philosophical idea that a human being is at its most creative (and that is important for the development of society) when he is idle.  So, contrary to what people nowadays think, the movement is not about the right to sit at home and watch daytime TV, and it has some valid points and concepts.

So, with crypto giving rise to new possibilities, maybe it's time to revisit those concepts and make a step away from capitalist labor practices.
legendary
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February 02, 2022, 11:11:36 PM
#6
I think a lot of the anti-work has a certain point. However to not actually work at all is not wise because unless you live with your parents you need an income to survive.

The purpose of it is to realize you are being under paid and mistreated and to quit and find a job where your employer will respect you. It will eventually work if enough people do it. There have been report of certain Mcdonalds location who had to up their pay or else the location would have to close.

Big companies like McDonald’s can afford to pay a fair living wage and not make a burger cost $10. But that’s not their main goal, their main goal is for the corporation to make the most net profit and keep shareholders happy.
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February 02, 2022, 09:07:37 PM
#5
The interview that one of the Reddit mods did on Fox was just completely hilarious.

I think that a lot of the sentiment in the anti-work movement is simply a reflection of peoples' dissatisfaction with their current state instead of an ideological battle.

If given the chance to work in a high-performance, high-pay job, most of these people would jump at it still.
legendary
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February 02, 2022, 06:44:26 PM
#4
The anti-work movement doesn't know what they want. There's a wide range of opinions among them, from simply wanting better work conditions to some outlandish utopian ideas. This movement is just a product of reddit's left-wing echo chamber that boosts the dominant opinion and silences any criticism. During the both of the US presidential elections reddit's front page was filled with pro-Sanders propaganda, more recently it was filled with anti-Trump posts, now that Trump is gone a new topic has risen in the left-wing echo chamber.

Nothing is going to come out of this movement, it's extremely disorganized, the recent Fox News interview fiasco proves it. In a few years there will be some new hot topic among the reddit's leftists.
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February 01, 2022, 11:25:43 AM
#3
People quitting their jobs finding excuses but in reality they get stimulus package so they dont need to work anymore.

Truckers quit because they were mandated to get vaccinated. There are just so many people needing the job because of the pandemic. People that are not given opportunity like the Latinos take those jobs, people complain they stole their jobs.
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February 01, 2022, 11:10:45 AM
#2
Fact : I looked for 10 jobs and still am earning more from the campaign perse! Those jobs were not part time they were 9-5 full time jobs. Employee dissatisfaction is not a joke, in some countries it's over the top what these companies expect people to do. Therefore I didn't join any and now am entirely dependent on job from here. Plus when I tell it to the people from India, how much you get paid usually, it sends them a sense of awe because they been working as a teacher for 5000 inr per month! That's not even a 100$! Due to pandemic, the conditions have worsened and people understand that. No health care on jobs have made it worse for countries like US. Some people are forced to take jobs illegally because in their home countries things are getting way worse. I do understand that there are many negative effects of people not wanting to do jobs but it's essential to have the big companies treat them right. At the end of the day, if people are not able to get what they deserve because I know that they would even settle for 80% of what should be fair they need to hold onto it and find where they are valued for real or start a home based business.
legendary
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February 01, 2022, 10:51:37 AM
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Many employees are frustrated with the nature of employment. But some fed-up workers are asking a bigger question: what’s the purpose of work?

Chris, a US-based IT professional, says he’s experienced terrible working conditions in his recent roles. He says two separate employers, one offering no sick pay and the other only a week’s worth of paid time off, forced him back to work despite illness. At other labour-intensive jobs, he says he’s ended up having to treat his own wounds.

But it was a role in customer support that pushed him too far. His job, which paid less than $13 (£9.40) an hour, involved verifying whether peoples’ dependents qualified for health-care insurance. He says he would have been fired if he had given callers certain helpful information he was not authorised to disclose, like how much time they had to submit their paperwork.

“There were people literally begging for their lives on the phone, and I couldn’t do anything about it,” he says. “That broke me to a point where I realised that absolutely nothing in this system is working… It’s the lack of empathy and human kindness. I’m not sure how that went missing.”

Two years into the pandemic, employees across the globe are tired. Poor mental health and burnout are common, particularly among low-wage and essential workers. This prolonged period of uncertainty has made many re-examine the role their employers play in making matters worse; record numbers of workers are leaving jobs in search of better options.

But some people are going further, wondering aloud if there’s purpose to their work – or the economic system itself. These people are part of the ‘anti-work’ movement, which seeks to do away with the economic order that underpins the modern workplace. Anti-work, which has roots in anarchist and socialist economic critique, argues that the bulk of today’s jobs aren’t necessary; instead, they enforce wage slavery and deprive workers of the full value of their output.

That doesn’t mean there would be no work, however. Supporters of the anti-work movement believe people should self-organise and labour only as much as needed, rather than working longer hours to create excess capital or goods.

A few years ago, anti-work was a radical, fringe idea, but the pandemic incarnation of this movement has grown faster and become more well known outside these political circles. It’s centred on the r/antiwork subreddit, a community still rooted in direct action, but whose focus has both softened and broadened into a wider dialogue on working conditions as its popularity has grown. Today, it contains a mix of personal narratives about quitting, creating change in hostile workplaces, advocacy for ongoing labour strikes, labour organising and ways people can try to advocate for themselves.

The community has grown rapidly. At a time when worker dissatisfaction and labour rights are under intense scrutiny, how significant is the growing interest in this movement – and could it help play a part in effecting change?

'Visceral rejection of work'?

Chris helps moderate the r/antiwork subreddit, which currently has 1.7 million subscribers as of this writing (up from 100,000 before March 2020). “We have a steady growing membership of between 20,000 and 60,000 followers a week. We have a ton of growth and a tonne of engaged members. We get hundreds of posts and thousands of comments every single day,” adds Doreen Ford, another moderator.

The subreddit’s name and philosophy draw from multiple sources. Ford says one is Bob Black, an anarchist philosopher, whose 1985 essay The Abolition of Work built upon preceding thoughts on labour – a history Black asserts goes back to ancient Greek philosophers Plato and Xenophon. “Many workers are fed up with work … There may be some movement toward a conscious and not just visceral rejection of work,” writes Black, suggesting people do only necessary work and devote the rest of their time to family and personal passions.

Believers in anti-work are not necessarily against all forms of labour. Rather, the overarching sentiment is hostility towards “jobs as they are structured under capitalism and the state”, according to the subreddit’s FAQ. “The point of r/antiwork is to start a conversation, to problematise work as we know it today,” it continues.

Today, while these ideals remain central to the movement, the subreddit’s focus has widened to encompass more general labour rights. Users share stories of employer abuse, ask for advice on how to negotiate better pay, contribute memes or post news updates about ongoing labour strikes. Participants also offer tips on how users can support strike efforts. In December 2021, members of the subreddit helped efforts to flood Kellogg’s job application portal when the company broke off negotiations with striking unionised workers and said it would hire new, non-union workers. Although it's unclear how much r/antiwork's members directly influenced the company's actions, later that month, Kellogg’s and the union reached a deal.

The community also provides links to literature and podcasts about the anti-work movement beyond Reddit. The majority of posts come from US workers across all genders and occupations, although there is a global presence as well.

‘An interruption of work as we knew it’

Although the anti-work movement itself isn’t novel, it has garnered newfound attention.

“With Covid there was an interruption of work as we knew it,” says Tom Juravitch, a professor of labour studies at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, US. “In moments like this, people have time to reflect. Working has been degraded for so many people. The authority structures that we’re in have gotten more draconian and more controlling than ever. People really felt that in a new way.”

For blue-collar workers, Covid-19 brutally exposed deep inequalities; low wages, a lack of paid sick leave, requirements to be in customer-facing environments with inadequate workplace safety measures that left people vulnerable to contracting Covid on the job. Workers at all income levels, meanwhile, have struggled to juggle work pressures with family responsibilities caused by shuttered schools, leading to increased burnout, mental health issues – and, for some, existential questioning.

Yet Kate Bronfenbrenner, director of labour education research and a senior lecturer at Cornell University, US, notes that while Covid-19 has been a major propellant, the current anti-work movement has deeper roots that predate the last two years. “Workers have had an amazing threshold for tolerating the abuse that employers have put on them,” says Bronfenbrenner. “But when that abuse went so far as to risk their lives, that crossed the line; in the context of Covid, where employers were asking them to work harder than ever and employers were making huge profits.”

Of course, not every disillusioned worker will embrace anti-work. It’s clear swaths of workers are seeking out new roles aimed at securing better conditions. Others are quitting or choosing to work for themselves. But some are trying to advocate for change. “People aren’t all quitting,” says Bronfenbrenner. “Some are saying they’re going to fix it by organising, striking or standing up.”

‘It feels like a big moment for us’

It’s still too early to tell whether this online community might have measurable impacts on labour rights, whether through louder, more impassioned conversations or other disruptions.

Fundamentally changing work overnight is unlikely, but we are experiencing an unprecedented shake-up in terms of how workers do their jobs and the kinds of conditions they are expecting from employers in return. It’s clear many workers are at their breaking points – and there are already signs that employers who fear widescale employee attrition are starting to respond with incremental improvements. If anti-work and its ideological cousins continue to gain numbers, this may give employers – and perhaps even politicians – further pause for thought.

At the same time, it’s important to look at how the anti-work movement has played out in the past. One parallel is the “long seventies”, a period of inflation and economic recession in the US, which compelled many labour leaders – and in many cases, wildcat strikers – to walk off the job and ask for more than just pay rises from employers. Their demands also included better working conditions from bosses as well as changes in union leadership. 

However, this movement didn’t gain widespread traction. An energy shortage and worsening unemployment took the steam out of efforts to radically alter the state of work, particularly as employers asked unions for deeper concessions to contend with lost profits amid a dramatic recession. The power of labour petered out as “the fear of loss of security at work” undermined the movement of the time, says Leon Fink, professor of history at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

Fink adds economic shifts and the decline of the boom economy ultimately eroded the increased leverage workers had to sustain longer-lasting change. Similarly, future economic conditions as well as how power evolves in the workplace will affect the direction of today’s anti-work movement.

Still, past labour movements suggest moments of opportunity can lead to some change, even if that change may be short-lived or incremental. “I think that there’s a real possibility for some traction” with the current anti-work movement, says Juravitch. He points towards the implications of the Occupy Wall Street movement, which “continue to reverberate through all other kinds of grassroots movements”.

Ford is optimistic. “It’s starting a lot of conversations. It feels like a big moment for us.”

Chris looks at the anti-work movement as a small part of what he hopes will be a bigger effort to dismantle the state of work entirely – even if he doesn’t see this happening in his lifetime. “Hopefully I can make it easier for the people who come after me.”

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220126-the-rise-of-the-anti-work-movement


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I think for movements like anti work to have a chance of success, society must revert back to independent farming communities. Those who are self sufficient and grow their own food, have reduced reliance upon work for survival. Granting them greater bargaining power and leverage in negotiations relating to wages, working conditions and all that applies. Depending too much upon the private sector for work has shifted the scales in their favor. Causing a state of imbalance.

There is no doubt levels of employee dissatisfaction are trending upwards sharply. People are unhappy. The stability and robustness of economies is in question. I don't think anyone would disagree with basic points like these. The real question is what path should be taken, which policies or ideology should be pursued in an effort to improve circumtances for the better. That aspect appears to be what the anti work movement is missing at the moment.

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