Topic: The root of newbies problem (Read 363 times)

That's the reason why they are here in the forum, they want to learn more or they want to start leaning about cryptocurrency, the sad part of it is that after a few months or even days of reading, their attention is shifting to earning.


You can't expect it that way when everyone just want to earn, most of the time they will share something not because they want to spread knowledge here but because there is an incentive on each post they make.

I agree with you. Newbies should learn about Cryptocurrency and bitcoins before they make posts on this forum. They should also try to share what they learn with other members on the forum.

If you really want to reach higher ranks and do high-quality posts then do not post on the spam topics. Always avoid the off the topic board and what's on the topics which really help someone and I'm not been found by Google searches. This forum is supposed to help those who cannot find answers to the questions anywhere else on the internet. If you provide unique and valuable replies to a topic and also suggest them some additional information which can help them in future then those posts are considered as valuable posts and hence you will get merits on those post.

I also agree with the statements of the creator of this topic. I was also a Newbie, who was not, but i sometimes have the impression that the topic names are often repeated and the same questions are being created. There is a clear need to learn about the crypto-world and the basics of it, there is very much about it on the Internet. If I remember my beginnings, i learned from various forums and very helpful to me was Mr. Google. Also, this forum has a broad dimension, so where to acquire new knowledge.

I agree with your opinion, the author. This is a problem for beginners. Many people do not want to know about the internal charms of crypto currency, blockchain and they just need to earn

when  you are  a  newbie  you  are prone to  doing many  things  in  the  wrong  manner. i  dont  think we  are  the  only  ones  who  are  spamming  the   entire platform some  of  the  people  with  high  ranks  are  also  doing  so.  and i  dont  thnk  spamming  is  the right  term  to  use  when  it  comes  to newbies.  we  are  just  trying  to  explore the different  discussions  taking place.  the  excitement of  being  part  of  this  community  also take  a  better parts  of  us thus  we  lose track in  the  process.

i honestly dont see a issue here,
everyone was a newbie at one point!
everyone has their own reason for being here and doing whatever they do
 who are we to judge the next person? "as long as it dosent into our own personal bubble"
click that is one more post for me and closer to getting out of the newbie rank!
soon a jr member ... so even i can talk shit about newbies... LOLOLOL

Your post is conceptually off-topic, but it does illustrate to a large extent a newbies mind: get free BTC/Tokens with little to no effort. Now a newbie is not necessarily a young naïve person by definition. I was a newbie six months ago, and by no means a newbie in the real world, nor has my track here been so I believe.

What one must understand by now is that the “money doesn't grow on trees” saying can be applied here as “free crypto is not being thrown around on Bitcointalk as if you were a pole-dancer wearing a g-string” (rather sexist I know, but you get it right?). Nor in Facebook nor Telegram channels. Well, to some extent it is, but working the other way round: People often fall for very basic hoaxes performed by professional scammers that pry with no scruples on the innocence and ignorance on crypto of others.  

Having said that, one needs to grow a wary radar to everything that is announced as free with no collateral. So answering your question, the answer is a simple "No": Do not trust such announcements as they will likely reverse back on you and, without knowing how it happened, you’ll end up giving them what little crypto you may have acquired at this point in life (by facilitating your private keys, transferring crypto that they said will be returned greater in size, pump and dumps, etc.). You name it, they’ve thought of it; just don’t fall in their trap.

I'm Newbie and I have join some crypto fb group. I receive a lot of messages sound like this

"You have bitcoin wallet??
You can earn up to 0.2btc in less than 3days in your wallet.
No wallet and password
No investment
Comment info"

Can I believe on this? Please advice.. thanks.

I think mainly the problem is most posts aren't really aimed at helping people but are mainly just farming merit, and in a very lowbrow kind of way.

There seem to be groups of people kind of all talking at one another and most have different agendas which make it kind of weird.

You have :

1) People just posting nonsense, raising post count to get to basic ranks so they can participate in whatever bounty.
2) You have people all competing to give the most politically correct and thoughtful answer, which is fine I guess but the responses become very ridiculous when you have 709 responses answering the questions with varying levels of political correctness, sucking up, and just unnecessary responses that are really no different for the most part... plus you end up with 50 page threads where everyone's just responding to the original post and no one's talking amongst each other.
3) Everyone else in the minority.. either trying to have an actual conversation and not succeeding or higher level members who actually are of the select few who aren't afraid to speak their mind.

The forum even if more helpful and nice lately, almost has a very android type feel to it, where everyone is just saying robotic answers and there's no actual communication going on.. feels very forced and inorganic very often.

Indeed, we wanted to rank so that we posted even in off topic.. is it wrong? I guess everyone here was wanted ranking and also "earn money"... I believed it is the reason why we are all here. -just saying

Well I think this is part of learning and gaining activity. But some of the newbies are only interested in gaining post count and post nonsense posts. I would suggest read the thread well and know about the crypto before you post. Also be aware of the scam coins and don't scam others.

i believe that all learning process es become interesting only when you benefit from it.as i went through some of the messages i felt same that we get all information from various sources but only when you post a reasonable one will our ranks are increased

Exactly right! A lot of the newbies are just repeating the same questions over and over again, because they are too lazy to

use Google or the Search function on this forum. Most of the posting is not done because they want to ask genuine questions,

but rather to bump their post count. This will not help them at all, because none of these questions will get sMerit and they

will stay "newbies". 

The root of most of their problem is lack of proper introduction into the system. Basic foundation, a newbie ought to have is fundamental knowledge of blockchain, crytocurrency;  how whole system works.

I honestly don't see what is so difficult for newbies here. Fair enough if your English isn't great i can maybe understand. But for everyone that joins here with all intents and purposes of actually joining in the conversation, there really shouldn't be a "problem".

This isn't rocket science, its a forum about an interest or a hobby.

Unfortunately a lot of people think that this place owes them a living for whatever reason, and their sole purpose for being here is only money and ZERO participation in anything else. Does it really hurt to offer some insight (whether someone agrees with your opinion or not) say hello and be a COMMUNITY member?

Seriously, if people can't even be bothered to contribute, they are in the wrong place.

I think for a newbie their posts will definitely be a little less refined than those of experienced members or traders because they lack that kind of knowledge. Moreover as mlgblockchain said these forums provide newbies a platform to get and share ideas and experiences by interacting with experienced traders. That said, I believe it is more important to stress on the essentials of learning about cryptocurrency trading. Once you have gained sufficient knowledge in this respect you’ll be better armed to forge into the crypto trading battlefield as you will understand the price movements and market dynamics in a better way and thus will be able to make more money while minimizing your losses.

I don't think it is their fault in the first place. From all I know Newbies here who are trying to earn in the forum have been wrongly introduced to Bitcointalk. You will see a lot of social media posts, online articles and Youtube videos on how they earned money from the forum also they even have their friends to teach them how to participate in the campaign hence they think that this forum's sole purpose is to make them earn cryptocurrency. And without any proper introduction they will literally get lost in the forum and will soon do threads of their own which is also on the wrong section just to find the answer they are looking for (and those thread are commonly related to on how they will earn in the forum).

I second you, there isn't any rule to check weather a post is of quality or not, that is why I still maintain that the merit system is not favorable to all. Besides the roots of newbies problem isnt money because each one of us here either in bounty or not is seeking knowledge to make money from crypto.

Here’s the thing guys, if you’re just here to learn and engage with people not because you’re rushing to get a lot of money, you’ll be struggling, big time. But for knowledge investment to be much more comfortable with our world, that’s when you will be successful.

If you want to rank up and make your posts count, avoid P&S and of topic. These boards don't count. Try posting in meta or beginners and help if you know you can help someone in need.

It seems like this now. I think it should be more inclusive.
If they have the ability to share the basics, then they can do something about it.
Have good airdrops & bounty activities, or market dynamics, they can also share.
They should not be limited. Those who want to learn will use the search to find the information they need.

The reason is not far fetched , most bounties do not accept newbies ,they inturn spam different threads to have 29 activity for junior member rank

I have taken this into consideration I it is helping me. Thanks for the information.

Why? Couldn't you continue to study if people ignore your posts? But yea, like Jet Cash said, your posts are quite generic. Pretty much bitcoin-related information that probably almost everyone knows.

Also, I suggest that you don't do your research on bitcointalk alone. Look for some outside sources too. If you haven't read these yet, I suggest that you do so: https://www.coindesk.com/information/

One point also that is wrong is that people from the forum invited new people to join in using the word "to ear extra money" without explaining the basic of all things, like how's things work and all... Sometime take a wrong grasp of the situation and created their own account looking forward for their first reward which is wrong.

My quick impression of your posts is that they are basic and general. This means the the topics have been covered many times in the past. One great help for me was to run a full node, and to experiment with it.  It was easier then though, and the blockchain was under 60Gb if I remember correctly. I have been toying with the idea of offering a shared blockchain for new members to use to start a pruned node, but my hosting provider only uses SSDs, and it would be too expensive for me to offer as a freeby. Maybe a trusted member could offer blockchains on SD cards to help people to start a node.

I'm newbie, I studied a lot on bitcointalk then boldly post suggestions, but everyone is not interested and also not comment on my useful posts. So how can I study more?

The root of the newbie's problem lies in the fact that there aren't many newbies. We have a massive invasion of economic migrants attempting to leech off the forum, and they don't want to learn much beyond how to cut and paste.

I concur. The main reason for that is because one or some of their friends introduced this forum in a different way. They thought that joining in the forum would make them a living in just a blink of an eye. There's no such thing as shortcuts in learning and earning in this forum. I myself spent hours everyday accumulating as much knowledge as I can since its free information. I'm making most of my time valuable in this forum by learning about the technology and some other new innovations being introduced in here.


What I can suggest is for you to read, read, and read posts of different members in here that has lots of merits. By reading to lots of quality posts, sooner or later you will be adopting to their posting strategy and habit. I did make a thread on how to make a quality post. Hope this can help you out. I was able to record every links of the threads that I read from this forum and compiled it for newbies' benefit to rank up. I know that we all need merits to rank up but all we need is time and patience for us to blossom and grow with knowledge together with our rank without neglecting the main purpose of this forum to learn and contribute at the same time. Earning from this forum shouldn't be the first priority as a newbie in cryptospace. There's still so much that we can learn and possibly we could earn in the future if we just accumulate knowledge in here that is for FREE.

Here is the link of the thread I made about how to make a constructive post. Hope this will help you out.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.41257656

tiurminator is right. Just watching and reading and learning is not really that much exciting. You need to participate with the community to take your learning one step ahead. But you are right about "making money" policies. Newbies should learn about Blockchain technology first. Although the goal is to make more money but newbie should invest their time and effort to learn in order to earn money efficiently.

It doesn't matter where someone posts, the whole forum is full with spam and you can't only point out that spams are on the boards/topic you mentioned. Btw, I have to point out that it isn't only the newbies who's spamming the forum, there are several high rank users who does.

I agree on this but this doesn't make a user who is learning these stuff a user who is not spamming.
You can see several post which is asking about these stuffs you mentioned and they are still consdered as spam to some users:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/what-is-peer-to-peer-transaction-4470484
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-bitcoin-legal-2770323
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/top-3-things-you-wish-you-knew-when-you-first-started-4556338

You can also see several spam thread in the bitcoin discussion board:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=1.0

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The key is to try not so hard and be as useful as you can. It does not matter how long the posts you are making. If you are posting on threads that already have tons of pages with the same repeated replies then it's a spam.
Posting in offtopics and nonsense threads also doesn't help you to gain a rank. You are only making your post history bad. You need to participate in threads that actually can help someone.

Btw, tho everything is already in google some people can always ask here about clarifications. Those who help clarify these to them makes them helpful thus their posts are considerd constructive.

So how do you suppose a newbie like me make a quality post?  I need to rank up too while learning, so I post on off-topic and political/society board.  As a matter of fact, everything is already there on this forum or google.  I mean I can learn everything without asking or posting on the forum, but my rank will be forever newbie, right?

I have observed on this forum that almost all newbies are interested in only making money and hence ask questions related to only trading, and bounty campaigns. They also seek to increase their post counts and therefore post low quality posts all over the different boards.

I think newbies should first of all learn about Btc, cryptocurrency, and the blockchain technology as a whole and understand the dynamics in the crypto world before they venture into making money.

Newbies should use this forum basically for learning before any other thing else.
What do you also think about this??