Topic: The slave does not dream of freedom, but of being the slave-master (Read 806 times)

True in our country a developing country . Our society is more comfortable being slaves. Every morning he went to work late into the night for something called money. From there they have no money or even financial freedom . All his time wasted just work and work. That's why entrepreneurs from China love to hire them than people in their own country. All back to their respective life choices. although there are also some who think of becoming a slave king.

That's why I don't want to work a 9 to 5 for company, because doing this for years to earn money is no different from slaves. In fact, many parents
make their children go to school and get degrees just to be able to work in companies, which end up being slaves. Many large factories in
developed countries prioritize employees from third world countries, so they can pay low salaries and work tight hours. So slavery is still
happening today, it's a very sad reality. Especially with the current pandemic situation, in my country I found some companies reduce their
employees salaries by 30%, while working hours are added. With the reason the company suffered a loss, so it was forced to reduce the salaries of
its employees. Some companies are taking advantage of the pandemic situation to generate large profits by minimizing expenses.
One of them is reducing the salaries of employees quite drastically, even though the company did not experience a loss.

The concept of "slavery" is perceived by many in a very diverse way, and is often mistaken ... Some consider those who are servants to be slaves, belongs to another person and carries out his orders. Someone thinks that slavery is work for a company .. Someone considers slaves of religious people - slaves of religions ... You can also consider a hereditary doctor a slave of family traditions ... But this is more a play on words, and some kind of manipulation of data, rather than real slavery. Slavery is a state of mind. This is when you consider someone your master, when you deny freedom, deny independence, deny the right to make a decision, because "the owner is smarter, let him decide how it will be." These manifestations speak of slavery. And these manifestations can be in the employee of the corporation, for whom his leader may be a tyrant who got to a managerial position by accident. And if an employee resignedly and silently fulfills everything, even the most idiotic orders, of this leader - he is a SLAVE! If your parents tell you "no, you will not be an engineer, you will be a doctor like our whole dynasty," and you silently abandon your idea and your goals for the sake of your parents' complexes - you are a SLAVE. The question is not in the position of a person in society and the world, but in his views, thoughts, self-respect, ... A person can be shackled, but not a slave, or he can walk in suits from Brioni, ride a Maybach, but be a SLAVE!
By the way, many regimes are trying to raise just slaves - people without their own opinion, without the right to vote, without the right to choose ... Such people do not need shackles and overseers, after 2-3 generations, each member of such a society becomes a "slave-overseer" for everyone around!

If we stick to what the country teach us and what the we were taught in school then we are doomed. Remember that the government won't teach things that will overthrow them, remember how they're not talking about school shootings and gun control in the US and how they always tell the stories where the US was supposed to win? The owners of this world don't want a critical thinking public, it's against their interest.

It is for this reason that the corruption of the system starts from the family and from the school, it is always about doing the following steps:

1.-Study and train.
2.-Try to follow the example of their relatives (Doctors, Doctors, Engineers) according to the trend.
3.-Be professional and work for companies.

The mere fact of thinking like that is already being a slave of the system, it will always be like that, when you think that way you cannot be a millionaire, to be rich you have to take other types of risks, or at least train with a tendency to the economy, to business to be an employer and not an employee, that's where the changes begin.

Slavery never ended. It was just renamed.

In the ancient Rome, if a slave behaved too well or paid the price, he could earn/buy his/her freedom.

It is still the same. If you work hard and please certain people (corporates) they give you enough money so you won't have to work (be a slave) anymore.

But if nobody works, who is going to produce stuff? So, as you see somebody has to make them nike shoes and work in the iphone factories.

When you gather enough money you become one of those slave-masters and the world keep making fresh stuff because there is a new slave born every second.

The faith and education of a country, a city, or a family play a key role.
For example, if most people in a family are teachers or doctors by profession, then most of the next generation of the family will also choose the same profession.
This is a product of education and cultural attributes.
They can't see a larger field of view, so their thoughts and choices are confined to a circle.

This phrase was something deep and made me think. In reality, almost all slaves or at the bottom of the ladder always want to be at the top.. at the top of the other. And someone at the top comes from being slave.
Or if you think it more deeply, it can reflect on anyone's life. A slave or poor people always want to have the chance, freedom, superiority, the opportunity and everything that a slave master has so their eyes are always in that, in their goal.

We are oppressed and we want to be free from it. Usually, there are two options: to separate from the world or to become a new ruling class.
It's like escaping from life to become a monk or become a company director.
An educated slave will think about spiritual practice, but an ordinary slave will only seek to enslave others to himself.

Point of correction Kiley33 bitcoin cannot be controlled or regulated by anyone, that's the freedom Bitcoin offers to the world. Satoshi nakamoto was a revolutionary and the creation of a decentralized currency was his gift to the cause of true freedom. Cbdc on the other hand are a different matter, cbdc are as bad as fiat

It's all about what you do with power that determines whether you are a master or a leader. Not everyone who was able to command a multitude of culture and people did so in hopes of enslaving them in the process. Sure the majority may do but there are still notable exceptions to this question. Nonetheless, as a considered "slave" since I haven't created my own cryptocurrency and have no plans in doing so in the future, yet I am relatively faring well and couldn't wish for more other than hoping the cryptocurrency industry flourishes more and touch more lives in the future. Responsibility and morals is what keeps everyone tethered from freedom. To rule, you are given the responsibility to take care of lives under your morals. This could also be seen in cryptocurrency when someone releases their own cryptocurrency and garners interest and purchase from people. In some way or form everyone is a slave in this world, so it's not like you can't really get away from it. What matters at least for me is the fact that through cryptocurrency, and the technology that is behind it we are given a promise and a hope that the future wouldn't be as awful as our present.

some say life without ambition is empty....The human heart is initially empty but is filled with pride, desire and also greed by the ages.  being ordinary means deciding to be a slave forever, if you are not ambitious then close your ears and do what you think is good for you even if it means you become a dive slave.

This is where irreverence comes in on the part of people who open their minds, I think the fact that there are so many slaves is because it was instilled in this way from training, I am in favor of believing in the philosophy of Robert Kiyosaki, which says that the greatest of all corrupt is the system in which we grew up, an educational system that was training us, making us professionals to be "Employees" of companies with 14-16 hours of work, but not to teach us about business, about investments, I think that to a large extent the BTC economy makes all this possible, at this moment due to the pandemic many people have woken up due to the need, I think it is a matter of time that many more people realize that the entire system It is corrupt.

If the educational system changed to teach us to be employers, to teach us to make money and to do business, everything would change if the system were more effective.

Although everyone thinks that cryptocurrency is freedom, everyone cannot control cryptocurrency.
Like everyone, everyone wants to be a ruler. .
Real freedom is not something you can get by being a slave owner, nor is it something you can easily get by being a ruler. .
But freedom is very simple, depending on how you understand your freedom,
I feel that life is very good now. Family and friends are all around. It's  to have dinner together and discuss the cryptocurrency market. This simple happiness is enough, so we can simply enjoy life.

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This image illustrates the power of Bitcoin, how it has and will liberate the masses from the slave masters. Last year businesses all over the world were forced to shut down, economies were disrupted by covid-19. We were made to believe this was for our safety and we bought it. That's how powerful these guys are

In an African home, when you are amazed by a statement, they tend to cut a kolanut for you. That's exactly what I feel like doing right now. Your statement is super.
Do you know that if at all, those holding bitcoin never had idea of what it was and they were raised by Centralised system of life without any form of decentralized exposure, they will never and wouldn't accept take bitcoin.
If CZ was raised to be a politician with an ambition to become a president of China, he will hardly think of bitcoin talkess of the market place.

That's right. Many are not aware of this. Even I also did not realize that I was enslaved by something I had created, namely emotions and desires. When I entered the crypto circle, I aim to get money, if you have got money I want to buy what I want. Unconsciously I was enslaved by my desire.

Everyone state themselves independent, but there is dependence. This dependence is the reason for the existence of different forms of opportunity. When our need increases, automatically we look for the better opportunity. In the modern society people are making themselves adoptive to situation to survive. Very few are passionate and following their dreams. Though we do the job that we don't like, at some point we'll be mastering it. With cryptocurrency we've got more masters, but people are in need. This is what makes path for existence of more cryptocurrency.

Almost everyone is a slave, even crypto holders are slaves. Humans are enslaved by the senses, desires, and emotions. Humans begin to get used to the situation that befell them. we start to compromise with the circumstances. Humans are still slaves. we are enslaved by pseudo ideologies. We are enslaved by outdated dogmas. We too are enslaved by outdated ideas and beliefs.

A slave is only a slave in his mind. The freedom of a slave begins when he stops to see himself as a slave. You could take the chains off him and set him free but he remains a slave because it has become his identity. He knows how to be nothing else. This is same for people who are stuck on traditional currencies, they don't want to open their mind to Bitcoin or any crypto currencies because they remain slaves to the old master.
Bitcoin offers freedom to the masses. We are modern slaves to the government and the banks. One spends years working one's back off to pay mortgage to the bank. I truly understood the power of money when I learned about bitcoin. During war, countries would first of all block the trading routes of their enemy in order to weaken their economy and starve them. Money can liberate and enslave

there are always philosophical quotes to encourage life and respond to how times are changing. all have the advice that every slave has no freedom in any of his activities. he must submit to the elders.
Therefore, the freedom of owning cryptocurrencies makes us masters of ourselves without needing to follow someone else's index finger. financial freedom, personal interests, transactions at will. release the shackles of slaves so that they are no longer breastfed at the behest of their master. let's get rid of the ancient paradigm that shackles in every neck of the slaves and free him to choose the future according to his own will.

If we say that people who currently reside and use fiat are considered slaves then I myself disagree.  Slaves are people who have no choice, haven't we all lived with the choices that exist and we also weigh all choices with the risks or rewards that result from those choices. Even in crypto projects, it's part of the choice.  There are many indicators that we can look at not to get caught up in a project that enslaves itself.  Is anyone forcing you to get involved in something?

I am not saying that the other side is clean, fiat world is definitely trying to turn us into slaves, and trying to make us be happy about the fact that we can barely survive, they are making life so hard that anyone who can find happiness just a bit are seen as winning the world.

Why wouldn't I be able to live in a good house? Not saying a mansion or a castle but not some dump, a "decent" house, a house like simpsons house, simple house, why wouldn't I be able to go see any place in the world, we have the travel means nowadays, planes make it very easy, it is literally just few hours from where I am to all of Europe, why can't I do that? Why can't I buy all the games I want, all the game consoles I want? Why? We have the means to produce 8 billion of those in a year or two, it is not that hard, why can't I eat meat as much as I want? It is easy to do it if we all agree to use the resources accordingly.

Long story short fiat world makes things that are simple into very hard things and that makes zero sense to me, and it is called free market to give it some jazz but it is purely just evil that keeps people as slaves. Yet that doesn't mean that places like XRP and TRX and BNB are not centralized and looking to be the same thing.

We have seen over time in history that this sentence or quote is actually true. Slaves don't dream of freedom, they dream to become slave masters. Infact, this has been the motivation for several people going up the success ladder. They strive, not to enjoy the freedom that comes with wealth but to be able to boss around and command other people.
With bitcoin, however, I believe there might have been some deviation from the original intention of its creation. Bitcoin was created to change the status quo of the financial system, return power to the masses and let people be in control of their finances. It was created to add value
This might not be the case now as several people only got involved with bitcoin because of the prospect of making money.

I am glad to read this post, and it reminds me of Martin Luther King--I have a dream. Of course, his dream is to eliminate racial discrimination and Achieve freedom and equality.

The dream of a slave is to become a slave owner, which also illustrates the weakness of human nature. This depends on the person’s childhood knowledge structure and original ecological family. We can’t blame him. Maybe it’s not his fault.

But in the world of Bitcoin, the original reason for believing in Bitcoin, people all over the world have formed a strong consensus to make Bitcoin sing its way, but what is terrible is that the speculation is getting stronger and stronger, and huge wealth has been obtained through various means , Has completely deviated from the original intention.

Considering the problem purely from the perspective of economics, here I want to express two concepts, one is a product and the other is a commodity.

The product reflects the value of the thing itself, and the commodity only has the price.

When people pay too much attention to the price, just like the current encryption market, a hundred flowers bloom, all kinds of flies and mosquitoes come out, there will be various scams, scams, and make people miserable.

Altcoins have created many dreams that make people rich overnight, but many are traps.which means that to be a slave, if his dream is to be a slave owner, it is also very sad.

Unfortunately there are both truth to yours and mine as well. I understand that if you want to find your freedom in crypto you can find it, if you want financial freedom you can find it, if you want political freedom (to keep your finances away from politicians and governments) you can find it, those are all the great parts about crypto and you can do all of those things without a problem and that is what I like about crypto.

However what I am right about and what this topic is probably about that there are people who create tokens that basically just ignores all the investors and only care about having a lot of a token that they created and others should increase the price of, they create it for free to themselves and then promote it so that the price goes 100x and they could become super wealthy and all thanks to other people who are trying to get that freedom from crypto.

So, in return we can call them "slave masters" in a way that they are trying to find their freedom over others crushed dream of freedom.

Everyone wants to attain greater heights despite been under the shadows of people, brothers, friends, bosses,so as not to go through whatever they are on at the time, despite challenges from different angles a lot elove, struggle, fight,and find there way to the top,only those with the best mentality.For example lets take a look at Lionel Messi and Neymar Jr, despite doing well under the shadows of Messi,he wanted to be the king of he's and then moved to Psg.

People are seeking for betterment maybe because they truly wanted to lift up their lives from being a slave to becoming a master of their own and to maintain such position to be able not to experience the same slavery they have become before and went through those challenges they have surpassed. The change from being a slave to become a master of slave or just barely a master depends on the person if he will intend to do so becoming on of those because ever since old ages, the strongest remains on the top like survival of the fittest that those capable can stand out among the other people. Such mentality or philosophy still applies in the modern age meaning, to be able to survive you must improve yourself to become better if you came from worst and further grow up to become the best.

In my opinion, in the past, the word slavery was due to the time when kings had the power to exploit people without property to seek food, they used power and violence to exploit, most of the people without property were usually safe fate and have no distant dreams for themselves.

We have to trust ourselves and never give up because the time will come and all your hard work will be worth it. Don't be a slave of money, just enjoy life, enjoy the volatility of this market while you are working to achieve your dreams, and of course treat people well because we are all equal in the eyes of the Lord, so be generous and don't judge people easily. We are working for our personal goals, time may come that we may employ people but hopefully you don't see them as your slave, always remember where you came from.

It really depends on someone's perspective in life. Being a 'slave' is often used figuratively speaking describing the status, rank, or work nature of a person in a society. During this modern times, being a slave is usually comparable to being a laborer that is underpaid by his employer. And typically, these people don't really desire to be the new master of the new slaves because they have experienced what is it like to be the lowest of low and do the hardest of hard to even dream of passing the burden and hardship they have felt to other people.

IMO, the so-called slaves are usually contented and the thing that they want is to earn enough to sustain their necessities in life; not to pass the difficulties. They aspire to have a comfortable life like any other, but does not really dream high to the point they would like to be in the position of the higher ups that manage workers. These people are okay with what they have as long as it brings food onto their table and making the ends meet at the very least. The usual people who have always dreamt to be on top and become a master of the slaves were often the rich and wealthy ones.

Maybe there are some 'slaves' that want to climb to the top. But I think their usual goal is to become a 'leader' and not just a 'master'. A leader that can be depended and look upon and is inspirational to achieve oneself's goal.

Bitcoin can never create a new Master of the Slaves, because no Master can control a decentralized network. We can become the Masters of our own destiny, because our wealth are not controlled by any Masters, if we use Bitcoin correctly.

People will only see that they are slaves of something, if they know what their Master was and Bitcoin is making that clear to them by offering them the alternative to what they were used to. (They were used to a centralized currency that are being manipulated by governments)

Take the "red" Pill Neo.... and go down the Rabbit hole. 

A little bit wrong ... I will try to give the essence of this phrase in a broader way, using a real example.
A classic individual with a slavish concept in his head will never look for ways to CHANGE the environment and the system. The maximum that he will be strong is to replace the one who beats him with a stick today, like a disobedient pet ... But there are countries, peoples, societies where such restrictions are unacceptable! People want to live AS PEOPLE and not on orders from the "owner", as it was in the USSR. This is where the slaves were and the slave ideology that still manifests itself today! People born and raised by the infernal USSR still preach the slavish concept hammered into their heads - no need to live well and richly, do not think - the party will think for you, do not wish - the party will say what you need, do not discuss and do not condemn - party leaders and the party is always right, the enemy is the one to whom the leaders of the party and the party will point out, friends - also wait for instructions. And never think or defend your point of view. this is a crime against the leaders of the party and the party as a whole!

A very popular scenario in every country especially here in our country where most people are waking up early just to go to a company where they are working for 8 hours just to be paid minimum. Sometimes their wages aren't enough for the whole family which is quite unfortunate.

People are working under their managers just to have money to be used in their daily lives. People are working under their master and hoping that they will climb up and will be the master of the incoming slaves in the future. The cycle keeps going on and on and on and on. People doesn't want to be a slave but in order for them to live, they have no choice but to work under their master just to have money to be used. What's worse is I've seen people working for a decade already and even more and yet they aren't being promoted and still being paid minimum wage. Their wage isn't changing but the prices of necessities are changing yearly.

As for me, I've work under a government for under a year only. I have this mentality that I don't want to be a slave to others. I don't want to be a master of others too that is why I find a job to earn money in other way. I've found some jobs which is I love to do and I found other sources of income. Now I don't need to wake up and work for 8 hours straight. I can wake up anytime I want too.

No you are not because you are rather fighting for the freedom of all. Slavery is what fiat is doing but cryptocurrency is giving total control of your money to and you can decide to spend it the way you like without a third party or the bank to know your balance or how much you spent.



Those who have climbed on the the ladder who are crypto enthusiasts are not of those terms, they understand what being free is.


We are in this together trying to liberate ourselves to better educate those who don't know what is happening. They are many people out there that doesn't know what cryptocurrency or bitcoin is , so we are gaining this experience to better educate our people more.

Slaves all have a dream to become slave owners, rather than overthrow slavery. In the crypto market, one can gain freedom and become a slave owner. Everything in the crypto market is relatively free. You can get rid of the power and control of our finances by the banker. When people have funds that are not controlled by the government and no one can take it away, people will find freedom, so as to take control of own life.

Let's say I am misunderstood at this point. If that is so, maybe people want to have more money, and by having so many coins on the crypto, especially potential coins, they will have a chance to achieve their goals. Once they can achieve, they will feel become a master for their life.

We created our cryptocurrency to become a master for our currency because if we can use our crypto, we are not dependent on the other third party such as the government, which always wants to control many things. But unfortunately, the government still involved in this matter, so the crypto needs them to approve crypto.

We still become slaves because we can not use crypto to buy a product, service, or others without approval from the government.

By the way, after doing a little research, I got a few pages about that quote:

https://forums.macresource.com/read.php?1,2261692,2261741

The quote is:

But there are more quotes from the other members. You can read it one by one.

https://www.quora.com/Who-saidSlaves-dream-not-of-freedom-but-of-becoming-masters-The-quote-was-used-in-a-recent-episode-of-The-Bridge-the-Hulu-mystery-series-set-on-the-US-Mexico-border-Possibly-Thomas-Pynchon-from-Mason-and-Dixon

While in Quora:

I honestly don't want to be a slave to life. You can understand it the way you think, everyone will have different opinions and arguments, but personally I find being in charge of myself contented with the life I have and trying to make things good. Such a life for me is meaningful, and there is no need to try to chase goals beyond my ability.

We all know what the word slave means. If someone works in someone's order, I call it a slave. Like if we work for a company, we are caught as slaves to that company. There are many people who try to own a slave. Those who have ideas will be able to own slaves. It is thought of less people in the society.

No one wants to be a slave, but the way most people get rid of slavery is to become a slave owner. You say you want freedom, but when you really break free, you hold more people's unfreedom in your hands, but I think in the field of cryptocurrency, you can get rid of the slavery of others, and you can enjoy your own wealth. No one can control you. It is open source, transparent and open. The emergence of cryptocurrency allows us to realize the freedom of wealth and gain autonomy, so that we will not become enslaved people.

It reminds me of two situations
one, for cryptoworld, some people grew tired of following the herd then lose money, so they rose to be the manipulator and launch their own shitcoin, stealing others' wealth and ran away. that's a process of transforming from a slave to slave-master (though that metaphor is not very accurate in that buying others' coins are not actually being a salve, please forgive me, but I really feel like I'm a slave of these manipulators)
second, for family. my father is rather short-tempered and he yells at me occasionally. Sometimes he fights with my mom and I hate him for that. Now I have a relationship and found similar character in me! I tend to lose my temper and shout at my boyfriend when our opinions diverge and from time to time, I hit him slightly to vent my dissatisfaction. I know that's wrong but I just cannot help it when anger comes to me. So to some extent, I go from the victim of my father to the perpetrator of my boyfriend.
the conclusion is, people are vulnerable to the effect from someone they hate

Its a kind of thought provoking question that can make you think deeply and ask yourself on why are you walking on that path of your life, what you really want to achieve to satisfy yourself and be contented. For me i'm doing my best to change what I used to (as someone who came from poor family), thus im striving hard to improve the way we live our lives. We all once experience to have nothing, hence it would be better to stay humble and give back by sharing your experience on how you achieve your goal and not someone who think highly of themselves just because they are fortunate than us.

It's similar to those who promised to destroy the system, but ended part of it.

That is what always happens to most humans, because they are easily corrupted by power and all the ephemeral benefits it proportionates. At first moment, when they are slaves they say it's not going to happen to them, because they have never been in a better position, however once they reach to a better status everything changes, because they finally taste the sweet honey for the first time and never want to stop anymore. It's most easily spotted on the political world. You see how people start their careers on this field and after some years they completely change their personalities and values without any shame.

But I believe there are a minor part of the population who aren't like this because they are loyal to the principles in their heart and have a very strong will. Unfortunatelly these people are put away from the mainstream societies and groups.

I think you misunderstood the question or maybe I misunderstood. I think the point made in OP was that, we see so many cryptocurrencies right now because people want to feel like the owner of the coin than the user of it. There are so many coins and nearly all of them serve the same purpose so why do we have them? I think one reason might be as discussed in OP that people want more power but the other basic reason is that people want more money and it's not possible to make the biggest amounts with other coins so everyone creates their own coin.

People love bitcoin for the same reason, they feel like the rightful owner when they have a decentralized currency. The same feeling cannot be achieved from a centralized dollar or any fiat for that matter.

Fascinating quote and it made me think twice as well.

Most of the employees have that tendency too, I mean if you do an anonymous survey where all the employees are asked what they think about their boss, I am sure the majority of them will say "We want to displace the boss, as soon as we can" and that shows everyone thrives for power. Although there are only a few who understand that with power comes responsibility and not everyone is capable of handling things as responsibly.

This mentality might be more severe in individuals who are for some reason and at some point of their life were forced to do certain things. A kid always beaten by his father will always want to become someone who wants to dominate others because his childhood went under pressure and now he wants to dominate others weaker than him.

I think the sentence/saying is quite true and these types of quotes make me think for a few days, even when I have tons of work to do.

I think that crypto currency is the freedom that human kind seek for. The government fights it because of that and they see that they are losing the battle and bring up CBNC


Yes it must be a quote from famous philosophers. I was researching on it and some said Hegel and other prominent philosophers mentioned but I'm not sure.

I searched below some information (but not very happy searching on slavery because Africa is one of the continent badly hit by slave trade and still under neo slavery, just for the sake of knowledge  )



https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/slavery (1279 slavery quotes)
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/slave (203 slavery quotes)

Maybe we could search those links and the real owner of the quote may be there.

We use cryptocurrency means, we have full control for our crypto and we will decide when we should sell or buy or hold or whatever we want. We become our own masters because we can manage it for our life. But unfortunately, right now, we can not do that because that will depend on the government regulations and they will not easily accept crypto because they can not fully control the crypto. But we have the power to control our crypto and as long as we can send our crypto to other people, we still are our own masters.

it depends on the creator of the crypto if he is creating a pump and dump coin then he is wants to be a master and is looking for slaves or investors that will buy his coin in order for him to profit but other creators of crypto do only wants the best for the people .
they dont want to be treated as a master but they cant avoid being called as a master because it was a form of respect for someone that helped you .

With the increasing influence of Bitcoin in the world economic and financial landscape, more and more participants are beginning to embrace Bitcoin and invest in cryptocurrencies. So why do most of these people want to invest in Bitcoin? Is it because of belief in Bitcoin? Or is it the equality and freedom that Bitcoin can give him? I don't think so. They want to rely on Bitcoin to earn more wealth. This is what it is now expressing that what slaves dream of is not freedom but becoming a slave owner. Believe that earning wealth is the main purpose of most cryptocurrency participants.

However, compared to the traditional investment field, Bitcoin gives everyone the right to participate on an equal footing. Bitcoin gives everyone unlimited possibilities. As more and more people learn about Bitcoin, they have learned more knowledge. Bitcoin not only can bring wealth to everyone, but it can also bring us real freedom.

There is an even more popular proverb that says: "Give a man power, and you will know who he is."
Our society today is like that. Some create and dreams of the freedom of cryptocurrencies, while others only want their enrichment. Satoshi's idea was far from manage someone, but today we see a lot of scams that hide completely vile motives under noble ideas, such as stealing money from investors, cheating, and everything else related to fraud.
And usually, the former slaves, who were humiliated, deceived before, become very cruel bosses.
Therefore, I can offer an even more beautiful proverb: "When you go forward, do not forget about those who are below. Because when you go down, you will meet them."

Topic name reminds me of a Russian army. It is a duty of every men to server. There is a brutal hazing in Russian army. High ranked soldiers always mock newcomers. Then they demobilize, newcomers become high ranked soldiers and instead of tearing this lifecycle, mock newcomers.

Same parallels can be drawn for crypto scam. I'm quite sure, that people who got scammed, try to figure out how to return their losses with easiest and quickest way - scamming someone other.

I am quit from my company to continue my study because I don't want to be an employee forever. Although I am still a student  but I already run several pilot project, I learn many things from it. I think work in a company isn't like being a slave but it is about a team work, so I don't think that all companies have a culture like that slave culture. Working in a company isn't a bad thing although maybe it's not the best thing as well. Working in a company is depend on our skill and relationship. All manager in any level must have good human relationship skill. That's my opinion. Anyway I feel like I don't have a freedom when I work as an employee because my company keep give a big pressure to me.

I wouldn’t agree that we can talk about some absolute freedom when it comes to finances and Bitcoin compared to fiat - because even though there are thousands of places where many things and services can be paid for with BTC, kings still sit in central banks and run our lives. Bitcoin has provided people with hope and an alternative, but from 2009 to date, by all estimates, less than 5% of all people in the world have touched that alternative at all.

A system that has been built and consolidated for centuries has made people slaves, it will not change as quickly as some hope - decades will pass until some more serious difference is seen.

You're right about this whole altcoins industry, their owners just want to make a profit and give people false hope with their projects - unfortunately, many accept the game in hopes of buying something cheap and selling it expensive even though most of those projects make no sense.

To conclude, there are few slave owners, and very many who have become their slaves - just look at all those bounty campaigns that take advantage of human misery and the desire for quick profits to end up giving them nothing or maybe just plain crumbs.

I am not sure if the same thing could be said in the crypto world, we are basically free people here compared to the fiat world (and compared to your example). I am not saying that there aren't coin creators who want to be master of a coin and just see their project go super high and they want to be rich, look at all the centralized currencies and you will see that owners want to be kings of it.

XRP has whole company dedicated to it, they want to benefit from XRP success and profit from it, Justin Sun is another example, CZ is another example for BNB. However aside from that, in the decentralized part of the crypto world, we are the king, like when BTC went with the Segwit decision? It was all of us that decided it, we decided to use that blockchain, we moved to that, if we didn't then nobody could force us and that is the freedom we have right now.

I think this is a figuratively expressed reality in real life. In my country, a worker is highly dependent on a job that does not give him freedom with consecrated status with wages ranging from $30-$100 per month which sometime goes unpaid for months for various reasons. They want freedom while not many other jobs can accommodate them with better pay. I agree with most of your assumption.

Here, I quite often see young scholars competing and paying certain people just to be slaves with filial status. I have seen many friend spend most of their time and age just to earn a salary of $30-$100 per month in offices, schools, hospitals and others under the auspices of the government. But on bitcoin it seems that thing are not the same. We can determine our own destiny by taking responsibility for what we have, do, and get from it.

     This type of mentality has always been hardwired to our brains ever since the dawn of time and only a handful of people can go over this type of mentality which is the true freedom. Sad thing is the reality that being different always means stupid, funny, or ugly. Which is why lots of people end up being trapped in a system in which they cannot free themselves and pass their chains on the next generation instead of encouraging them to be different and stand out among the crowds. Social standards and public view has become more important than the love for freedom and individuality that most people bully and cast these people out. Truly saddening. And as for this industry, I cannot see any difference.

Knowing the real meaning of the initial quote is difficult cause it relate to a lot of aspects of life. Seeing it from the view of being a boss is also part of the perspective we can relate it to. Although looking at time from the general view can means a lot but one can still have a good perception about it.
The liberty of being superior is always there but opportunity would trigger more of this influence with time.

Only if you think yourself as a slave, I know am not regardless of my financial status,   am guessing it is just part of the script although it does translate to our reality as humans, people strive in life to be independent, have self sustainance and not entirely depend on others, people become slaves if they are deprived of the opportunity to fend for themselves or if they willingly give that right up, you can be your own master  by getting your own sustainance that does not mean you are seeking to be the new master of new slaves.

I don't think there's slavery in the Crypto world since we're all benefiting from it through trading and investing. There's no such thing as slavery since we all have the freedom to choose where to invest and the freedom to create our own cryptocurrency so I don't see any relevance from the given phrase to cryptocurrency.

No matter what anyone thought of the creator of Bitcoin, I firmly believe that he had no idea that someone would be the new master of some new slaves in any sense. Besides, why would a cryptocurrency that is decentralized in nature be the basis for any kind of slavery? - if we compare it to the current financial system, which in a way makes people slaves to the system.

I despise every form of slavery and I would severely punish people who still practice it today - and maybe cryptocurrencies will be a way out for someone not to fall into the jaws of slavery - because desperate people are an ideal target for those who capture and exploit them.

Slaves only dream of freedom - if you don't believe that, I suggest you take a look at the following link -> 'Such brutality': tricked into slavery in the Thai fishing industry

I think the term slave is an incorrect and overly emotive term in this context, exactly to get a rise out of people. It's actually an insult to people who were enslaved in torturous conditions and had no real choice to leave. There are many people out there who work a 9-5 job doing things that they enjoy and in some cases they also need managers who can direct their workload as required. Some people will be unhappy with their jobs or have financial commitments that make it extremely difficult to move elsewhere, but at least in more developed countries there are options out there such as retraining with new skillsets in your spare time. The internet has become a savior to many people and opened up all sorts of possibilities to learning from your very own home. I can see why the phrase is popular, but so are many other quotes that sometimes get misinterpreted or thrown around for social media karma.

I understand the meaning of this saying, and it perfectly reflects what life is going on. We are all born with the instinct to always try to understand everything around us, depending on our thoughts, we will be satisfied with ourselves with life, or better yet, master ourselves myself.

That's the sad thing about this quote, we don't dream of being at the least free from anything but what we want is to be another generation of so called slave owners. I guess the emotions that you mentioned, if they were to be removed from human behavior, we might be able to achieve freedom or somewhat freedom because I think that we aren't truly free.

Yeah, people in the business sector don't want to make it look like that but if the people who works for you and you working doesn't have any time to do other things besides making money, you, me and the people you work with are technically slaves because we work our asses off over something that limits our self discovery.

The original phrase sounds like this: "A slave dreams not of his freedom, but of his slaves." Author: Mark Tullius Cicero.
The meaning of the phrase about understanding freedom, and the fact that slave ideology does not even imply the achievement of freedom or the struggle for it, but only a primitive desire to take the place of the employer in order to realize their complexes, resentment and anger.

looking at the crytocurrency market we can see that there is freedom, because from the moment a person can keep their bitcoins in a wallet where there is no bank or government to control these coins, then the person has freedom, this freedom is something that should be celebrated . however we have to be aware that to have these bitcoins you have to buy or earn from somewhere else, which leads us to have to work for other people or have to do business, at the end of the day we are not 100% free. free people are those who are bosses of themselves who work for no one

Unfortunately crypto is not the freedom for many many people. Many are looking at it as something that they can make a quick buck, "buy at x price sell at 100x price and be super rich and never work again" unfortunately that is not going to happen to 99.9999999% of humanity. What you have to do is realize the potential of crypto and do become your own boss. I did that years ago, I quit my job and became a full time crypto person earning all my income from crypto.

However one thing is for sure, you have to still work hard, maybe it is for your own business or maybe it is freelance work for someone else, maybe it is still being employee of someone but getting paid in crypto, it doesn't matter how you are doing it, you have to end up working really hard on it and have to be taking it seriously, the moment you do it with a relax attitude you are going to end up being bad.

Some just wants to be masters of their own, following their own rules, on their own terms, on their own times. Freedom is something that is hardly earned and rarely given, especially in the financial sense. Before, if you are just starting with almost nothing on the bank and on your pocket, you will be a corporate slave for years until your retirement. Nowadays, there are different avenues and paths you can take to skip the hard parts and be free on your own. Crypto is one of those, and while I think it gives freedom to people, it also enables those who want to be slave masters achieve their own goal. It's a double-edged sword, but there are still a lot of people who just wants to get financial freedom and not stepping on others while being able to do so.

Really beautiful sentence Paxmao, I love it!



I was thinking the same while reading this thread. In my case, I think that I have lived that situation to some extent, where you are a "slave" and, after some high education, master's degree, etc. you are given the chance to become a "slave master". In fact, I think that this environment (expensive college, business studies...) linked to some personality traits are an explosive mix which big companies do know well and foster.

Until you live the situation and are confronted with cognitive dissonance, until you don't make an existential decision, I believe that no one knows if they are slaves or free men in their core. In fact, if you read the sentence properly it means that slave-masters are just some higher degree slaves because they were slaves in their core so they don't dream of freedom.

For me, plan BTC means not having to be a slave or slave master, not a victim nor an executioner; it means you can play for once with your own rules, think out of the box, don't follow any path but create your own; it means that you can choose what makes you happy, and dedicate your time and effort to it even if it doesn't give you enough money to live. Unfortunately, for others it means  more power than some countries (Craig Wright?), lambos and other stupid stuff (OG's and crypto influencers)... so in my opinion they keep being slaves forever, even if in their ignorance they feel the masters of the world.

Not all slaves dreams about becoming the slave master, most of them want their freedom. No matter what kind of offer you give to them they are always going to tell you that they need their freedom, that’s just all they want. There’s nothing like having freedom, it gives you peace of mind and it makes you realize that you can just anything you want to do, without someone punishing and stuffs like that. The money you get, you don’t have to account for anyone, it just goes straight into your pocket and no worries at all. So freedom is the main goal for the most people.

Although there are still some who wants to remain slave, that’s their choice, everyone can’t be the same. Some of us loves the value of Bitcoin, while there are also others who are looking for profit. I wouldn’t blame Satoshi Nakamoto because there wouldn’t be a way to make bitcoin stable then, if he wanted to. I can’t even imagine that.

I believe that "freedom" is not something we can dream these days because we all have that so called freedom in a manner of speaking. The difference between today and 100 years ago and before is the fact that we are not owned by anyone, sure you may feel like a slave at work but then you are free to quit any time you want. Yes if you quit and can't find a job that is horrible and you will be bankrupted and maybe even homeless which is the reason why everyone fears of quitting their job and because they hate their job yet feel they must continue also feels like a slave.

However even the ability to have that freedom to quit anytime you want means you are not slaves anymore, slaves didn't have a chance to quit a master and go work for another master. There are still place in the world where slavery does exist, but it is a lot rare and not as common as it used to be. Even though I am my own master and not a slave to anyone so to speak, I still think that being a manager at a company is not equal to salve-master at all.

I don't remember such quotes but literally that is what everyone is trying to do, everyone in this world trying to become rich so they can get what they wanted for that they are hiring the people to work for them and pay them as well in the name of salary but what we are actually doing is stealing their time and skills to make money for us which is what I call as the master.

This is a good thinking and I think it works well in most of the ways in life. As you start dreaming as a child, you start thinking how you can achieve it, if you will make it right away or you'll need to surpass lots of troubles first. As you grow older, you start learning that it's either you make way on how you can build your own dream or you help other's build their dreams. Instead of focusing and staying stagnant on being a slave, start thinking already on how you can escape it and start becoming a slave master. In crypto, if you've had enough experience start dreaming of making your own coin if you have the capability to do so.

cryptocurrency has become a business field. It is very obvious that centralized cryptocurrencies were only created to enrich developers
it is very different from decentralized cryptocurrencies

Regarding slaves, I think that sentence is no longer relevant, law in various countries have made the sentence "slave" unfit to be used anymore because slaves mean not being paid, not being fed, and not being freed.

Wow, that's a question worth pondering upon our inner selves. The sad thing about this though is that we don't know exactly the answer to this until we ask ourselves because we grew up in a dog eat dog world, you have to step on some people to get through the top not knowing that it's the same thing that our ancestors did but with bitcoin, I think we will have different answer to that question.

I know that sentence from a few years ago,but I don't remember who said that sentence.
I wouldn't compare the corporate ladder with "owning slaves".The people,who are climbing the corporate ladder simply want to have power and privileges.There's nothing wrong with being ambitious.
There's truth in that sentence.Some people,who were oppressed by someone,have a desire to become oppressors,because this is the environment in which they have spent their life and they don't know anything better.
Being truly free means that you have to respect the freedom or all other people.
A slave owner is dependent of his slaves,which means that a slave owner cannot be truly independent.

before you become a slave master you must have freedom already.
that means after a person got his freedom, he wasn't contented with it so he wanted more and become a slave-master. i'm not sure what to think but there are some who almost got their freedom but still prefer to be a slave like the ones with Stockholm syndrome. the mind works differently.

we're not creating a cryptocurrency to be a master because ultimately there will be a lot of rich people who have more crypto assets which just like the old ways, are they all gonna be our masters? there's still going to be a big gap between the rich and the poor.

Most cryptocurrencies aim to make their developers rich and therefore it is true that they are trying to make you pay part of your time and abilities to get free profits.
The real cryptocurrency is decentralized and no one can profit from it for free. The amount of profit is the amount of the effort expended, and the developer cannot impose it on him. Whoever wants to change it must pay the price of buying devices and owning half of the network.

The phrase is quite true, and there are historical examples of it. Not everyone is like that, though, and I don't conceive of my life that way. I don't invest in bitcoin to be a slave master. I think the world today is pretty free, although it's not perfect and abuses do occur, but with my money I expect to hire people who will willingly work for me freely rather than exploit them.

I think i can relate on this mate .

When i was in Secondary school there was this advance training as Junior military for all of us as mandatory .

i never dream of the training to get over even that i experience too much pressure and pain but what i dream of? is to become a Officer so once i become one then i will be the next to train newbies and let them experience what we had before.

For me, there's much truth in it. Such is the reason why I always think the cycle is perpetual. The powerful of today was the powerless of yesterday, and the powerless of today would seek to dislodge the powerful and eventually become the powerful himself, who would then become the target of the powerless, and so on. All else are products of power struggle.


I looked for it online and I have read the names of the German philosopher Hegel and US President Lincoln, although not exactly the same words but somehow to that effect.

The term "slave" is broad and often used figuratively. Think about it, slave don't have ownership (assets), and they don't have freedom (to choose). Nowadays most of us (well, except people from CCP country) have the freedom to choose our career, to work or become unemployed, to pursue our happiness. That's nowhere near the true medieval slave.

I don't think we strive to be a slave master in its literal sense. We don't own people, but simply pay them for their work. They are free to come and go. Just like Bitcoin, where the relationship between nodes isn't slave-master, thus every node can come and go, and only get paid from its proof-of-work.

Unfortunately, this phrase certainly applies to the majority of people in modern society. Most people find jobs simply to maintain life, though not fully being conscious of the fact that they spend most of their life on that job they don't like, I believe that makes them slaves.

Most people are ok with doing the same job in the same position for 20 years, they don't even bother thinking of something bigger, they're settled, they have money to provide for their family, and have no other need. A lesser % tries to achieve something bigger in a particular field, climb the career ladder, get better positions with higher salaries and better recognition, and that is exactly the concept you described - trying to be better slaves.

Only a very small % of people actually think of existential problems, have bigger aims and realize that there's much more to this life than just going to your job, these people try to create something of their own. implement new ideas and have a thrive to learn and develop.

It could be referencing a famous quotation from Aristotle who said: "some men are only fit to be slaves". That quote has been making its rounds on social media and the internet of late.

As someone who used to follow the news very closely. Yes. There have been cases of journalists and reporters sneaking into meetings and parties of CEO's and ruling elites who commented on their culture developing into one where they generally view the public with disdain.

AFAIK the original goal of bitcoin and crypto wasn't to get rich. It was simply to build a better mousetrap. In the hope that humanity would benefit. Over time that may have changed a little. New personalities got involved who only cared about money. But I think there are still many in crypto who prioritize values over profits.

This is a sentence I recently heard on a TV series I was watching that made me think of my own stance in life. Am I striving to become the master of slaves?  Perhaps those who climb the corporate ladder think in those terms? Are we creating our own cryptocurrency just to be our own masters or are we actually seeking to become the new masters of the new slaves? BTW I am very interested in knowing if this is a quote from anyone famous or just part of the script.