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Quote from: amacar2 on November 30, 2015, 03:54:28 AM

I think it is similar to past tide where price rise slowly at the first and than after seeing that lots of people start buying till it reach 500 mark and again dump from the one who buys first. Within this week it may touch 600-700.

There is no tide recently. The price is quite steady, trading within a range. So I would call it as wave.

The price is not stable at all. It went down to $360 and went up to $420. That is very volatile recently.

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Quote from: amacar2 on November 30, 2015, 03:54:28 AM

I think it is similar to past tide where price rise slowly at the first and than after seeing that lots of people start buying till it reach 500 mark and again dump from the one who buys first. Within this week it may touch 600-700.

There is no tide recently. The price is quite steady, trading within a range. So I would call it as wave.

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I think it is similar to past tide where price rise slowly at the first and than after seeing that lots of people start buying till it reach 500 mark and again dump from the one who buys first. Within this week it may touch 600-700.

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Quote from: pattu1 on November 27, 2015, 05:37:28 AM

Quote from: Bameras on November 27, 2015, 02:07:47 AM

The price is still below $400. So the tide is not turning. I do not want the price to go too high. If the price is too volatile, it is not good for the usage of bitcoin.

These huge swings attract a lot of speculators and those with high risk appetite into Bitcoin.
At this stage, we need all kinds of users.

more users more demand and price going up
seem like we will hit 400 in day or two if this continue

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Quote from: pereira4 on November 27, 2015, 12:46:48 PM

Bitcoin XT is a goverment trojan horse, and even then, it failed. I don't think Gavin coming up with that has anything to do with the headliness on some news sites have an impact on price. The variables are way too many to calculate and reduce it all into a single one that would drive the price up, it makes no sense.

All I have to say about Gavin is that I don't trust him. He has met with both the CIA as well as the Council on Foreign Relations. I very much doubt that the CFR video conference with Gavin that we were shown was the only event that took place. He certainly was spoken to by leadership behind the scenes. A meeting must have taken place. And now we see that Gavin is endorsing a version of Bitcoin that "solves a problem" (Hegelian Dialect) yet seems to include trojan horse properties. Is anyone surprised?

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Quote from: pereira4 on November 27, 2015, 12:46:48 PM

Bitcoin XT is a goverment trojan horse, and even then, it failed. I don't think Gavin coming up with that has anything to do with the headliness on some news sites have an impact on price. The variables are way too many to calculate and reduce it all into a single one that would drive the price up, it makes no sense.

I wouldn't call it a Trojan Horse of government. XT was is just regulation - fair and square regulation which strips bitcoin of it 'free internet money for everyone' status and I hate it for that.
With that being said I think this is not the end of battle for bitcoin, in the future there will be even more attempts to bring down bitcoin functionality, the battle just started.

Attempts to bring down bitcoin functionality? All these debates are good.
What doesn't kill Bitcoin will only make it stronger.

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Quote from: pereira4 on November 27, 2015, 12:46:48 PM

Bitcoin XT is a goverment trojan horse, and even then, it failed. I don't think Gavin coming up with that has anything to do with the headliness on some news sites have an impact on price. The variables are way too many to calculate and reduce it all into a single one that would drive the price up, it makes no sense.

I wouldn't call it a Trojan Horse of government. XT was is just regulation - fair and square regulation which strips bitcoin of it 'free internet money for everyone' status and I hate it for that.
With that being said I think this is not the end of battle for bitcoin, in the future there will be even more attempts to bring down bitcoin functionality, the battle just started.

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Quote from: Pollak on November 26, 2015, 10:31:13 AM

I'm glad to see it turning a bit, even though it seems like it's not much it's still fun to see it all happen right now.

I'm hoping we can hit $400 this month we still got a couple of days to go.

Momentum is building up. Since a few days you can see the market is waiting for a turning point.

Either go up, or go down. This flirtation with the 350 barrier makes me a little bit excited to say the least.

Will we go to 400?

May be the black Friday sales a reason for this current trend. Bitstamp showed the day's high as $369 and the prices are getting stable around $350. This must be a good sign for upward momentum from market got struck around $320 levels. Now we can believe price may test $500 levels very soon.

I like the way has progressed. It hasn't jumped to far up to make people doubt in this wave. This is nominal activity for bitcoin to have, so it is nice to see it finally settling this way and not acting arradic.
Think it will be tested at $500 and that will be the first two weeks before the next big buying season coming up.

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Quote from: pattu1 on November 27, 2015, 05:37:28 AM

Quote from: Bameras on November 27, 2015, 02:07:47 AM

The price is still below $400. So the tide is not turning. I do not want the price to go too high. If the price is too volatile, it is not good for the usage of bitcoin.

These huge swings attract a lot of speculators and those with high risk appetite into Bitcoin.
At this stage, we need all kinds of users.

That is right. We need all kinds of people in this community as long as they can help the adoption of bitcoin.

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Bitcoin XT is a goverment trojan horse, and even then, it failed. I don't think Gavin coming up with that has anything to do with the headliness on some news sites have an impact on price. The variables are way too many to calculate and reduce it all into a single one that would drive the price up, it makes no sense.

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Quote from: Bameras on November 27, 2015, 02:07:47 AM

The price is still below $400. So the tide is not turning. I do not want the price to go too high. If the price is too volatile, it is not good for the usage of bitcoin.

These huge swings attract a lot of speculators and those with high risk appetite into Bitcoin.
At this stage, we need all kinds of users.

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tide will be stable on range 350-360$ for btc
unless something big happen over weekend for big but i dont expect some speculate that price may go up but i dont know i end of year yes but for 400 or 500 by end of this month
i dont think so

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Quote from: bitlancr on November 26, 2015, 06:06:51 PM

Quote from: Pollak on November 26, 2015, 10:31:13 AM

I'm glad to see it turning a bit, even though it seems like it's not much it's still fun to see it all happen right now.

I'm hoping we can hit $400 this month we still got a couple of days to go.

Momentum is building up. Since a few days you can see the market is waiting for a turning point.

Either go up, or go down. This flirtation with the 350 barrier makes me a little bit excited to say the least.

Will we go to 400?

May be the black Friday sales a reason for this current trend. Bitstamp showed the day's high as $369 and the prices are getting stable around $350. This must be a good sign for upward momentum from market got struck around $320 levels. Now we can believe price may test $500 levels very soon.

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The price is still below $400. So the tide is not turning. I do not want the price to go too high. If the price is too volatile, it is not good for the usage of bitcoin.

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Quote from: bitlancr on November 26, 2015, 06:06:51 PM

Quote from: Pollak on November 26, 2015, 10:31:13 AM

I'm glad to see it turning a bit, even though it seems like it's not much it's still fun to see it all happen right now.

I'm hoping we can hit $400 this month we still got a couple of days to go.

Momentum is building up. Since a few days you can see the market is waiting for a turning point.

Either go up, or go down. This flirtation with the 350 barrier makes me a little bit excited to say the least.

Will we go to 400?

Yes

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Quote from: Pollak on November 26, 2015, 10:31:13 AM

I'm glad to see it turning a bit, even though it seems like it's not much it's still fun to see it all happen right now.

I'm hoping we can hit $400 this month we still got a couple of days to go.

Momentum is building up. Since a few days you can see the market is waiting for a turning point.

Either go up, or go down. This flirtation with the 350 barrier makes me a little bit excited to say the least.

Will we go to 400?

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I agree that the tide is turning but not clear in what direction and for what period of time. Before that it is limited only to isolated bursts of graphics.

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I'm glad to see it turning a bit, even though it seems like it's not much it's still fun to see it all happen right now.

I'm hoping we can hit $400 this month we still got a couple of days to go.

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Quote from: dragonseer on November 26, 2015, 09:21:15 AM

Quote from: afbitcoins on November 26, 2015, 07:07:29 AM

But I'm still unclear about what happens to the bitcoins in your wallet in practical laymans terms. Say they get more than 70% of network and fork to XT. What does that actually mean? Does that mean you have to download an XT wallet to be able to use your bitcoins ? What happens to the ones on the old core wallet ?

The fork is structured so you don't have a say, it either happens to the network or it doesn't. The Bitcoins in the old core wallet have to be 'approved' by the new network. If XT goes ahead and you don't like it, you will have to abandon ship. Think of it like a validation layer, while the 'blocksize' stuff is just there to justify this takeover.

Edit: One possiblity is that if XT is about to go ahead, the Core developers may release an update, so if you want to stick with 'traditional' Bitcoin, then you will have two blockchains splitting off. You will have plenty of warning if that is the case.

Thanks dragonseer I think that clears up my understanding of it.

I have to say all of this just makes Dash even more appealing. Dash has built in governance, masternode operators will vote on any such changes. Additionally developers have a budget paid by the blockchain. Much more democratic much better position to grow from.

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Quote from: afbitcoins on November 26, 2015, 07:07:29 AM

But I'm still unclear about what happens to the bitcoins in your wallet in practical laymans terms. Say they get more than 70% of network and fork to XT. What does that actually mean? Does that mean you have to download an XT wallet to be able to use your bitcoins ? What happens to the ones on the old core wallet ?

The fork is structured so you don't have a say, it either happens to the network or it doesn't. The Bitcoins in the old core wallet have to be 'approved' by the new network. If XT goes ahead and you don't like it, you will have to abandon ship. Think of it like a validation layer, while the 'blocksize' stuff is just there to justify this takeover.

Edit: One possiblity is that if XT is about to go ahead, the Core developers may release an update, so if you want to stick with 'traditional' Bitcoin, then you will have two blockchains splitting off. You will have plenty of warning if that is the case.

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Quote from: dragonseer on November 26, 2015, 07:24:30 AM

Quote from: afbitcoins on November 26, 2015, 07:07:29 AM

Has XT not gone away yet?

So what happens if XT diverges from bitcoin, do you have the same number of bitcoins on two different blockchains suddenly. Sorry for noobish question but I don't really understaned the repercussions.

Most agree that it's not wanted or needed.. Similarly though, people didn't want to launch an invasion of Iraq either and that happened regardless.

Technically, I believe that if 70% of nodes are running XT, then the network has forked. So even if you don't update your client, the new network is in effect. This new network maintains a blacklist (connections are blocked if they come from a TOR network, however, this blacklist can be updated so your coins will be not be able to be transacted out of your wallet if the maintainers put you on their naughty list) and that is why it is such a horrible thing to do to Bitcoin, which is non-discriminatory in nature.

Thanks for the reply I agree XT doesn't appeal to me either. I didn't know that about blacklisting TOR connections though.

But I'm still unclear about what happens to the bitcoins in your wallet in practical laymans terms. Say they get more than 70% of network and fork to XT. What does that actually mean? Does that mean you have to download an XT wallet to be able to use your bitcoins ? What happens to the ones on the old core wallet ?

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Quote from: EternalWingsofGod on November 26, 2015, 06:02:41 AM

Quote from: Furio on November 26, 2015, 05:04:57 AM

It´s very strange, normally you would anticipate a price dropp just before black friday, I think a crash is still coming around christmas, or mostly the week before

No it would be the opposite in my opinion a Price rally as people stock up on Bitcoins before black friday, a price drop after the merchants convert the Bitcoins back after black friday sort of a double dip effect.

That's what happened during Black Friday week last year. There was a modest pump beforehand, and a dump afterwards. I had given up on a pump after watching the price decline until yesterday, and this pump caught me by surprise. Over £30 up in 24 hours is an extremely fast pump.

Then any merchants holding bitcoins after Black Friday would get singed. Not good for the bitcoin community, is it?

Most merchants don't hold the coins, only a minority does and they probably know the risk.

The merchants have signed fiat deals with the bitcoin accepting exchanges .There are exchanges which no matter what the market price they still buy them.Merchants are keen on only selling their products ,they will make their money either way maybe after 10 more days when the prices become stable again but their major concern is to sell their goods.

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Quote from: manis on November 26, 2015, 08:48:01 AM

Quote from: unent on November 26, 2015, 06:19:16 AM

Quote from: EternalWingsofGod on November 26, 2015, 06:02:41 AM

Quote from: Furio on November 26, 2015, 05:04:57 AM

It´s very strange, normally you would anticipate a price dropp just before black friday, I think a crash is still coming around christmas, or mostly the week before

No it would be the opposite in my opinion a Price rally as people stock up on Bitcoins before black friday, a price drop after the merchants convert the Bitcoins back after black friday sort of a double dip effect.

That's what happened during Black Friday week last year. There was a modest pump beforehand, and a dump afterwards. I had given up on a pump after watching the price decline until yesterday, and this pump caught me by surprise. Over £30 up in 24 hours is an extremely fast pump.

Then any merchants holding bitcoins after Black Friday would get singed. Not good for the bitcoin community, is it?

Most merchants don't hold the coins, only a minority does and they probably know the risk.

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Quote from: unent on November 26, 2015, 06:19:16 AM

Quote from: EternalWingsofGod on November 26, 2015, 06:02:41 AM

Quote from: Furio on November 26, 2015, 05:04:57 AM

It´s very strange, normally you would anticipate a price dropp just before black friday, I think a crash is still coming around christmas, or mostly the week before

No it would be the opposite in my opinion a Price rally as people stock up on Bitcoins before black friday, a price drop after the merchants convert the Bitcoins back after black friday sort of a double dip effect.

That's what happened during Black Friday week last year. There was a modest pump beforehand, and a dump afterwards. I had given up on a pump after watching the price decline until yesterday, and this pump caught me by surprise. Over £30 up in 24 hours is an extremely fast pump.

Then any merchants holding bitcoins after Black Friday would get singed. Not good for the bitcoin community, is it?

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Quote from: Furio on November 26, 2015, 05:04:57 AM

It´s very strange, normally you would anticipate a price dropp just before black friday, I think a crash is still coming around christmas, or mostly the week before

There has to be a pump first so there can be a crash. This thing today, a $30 raise, is nothing. It may look good on 15m charts but there's still no real peak to fall down from.

I wouldn't call a $30 price increase in less than a day nothing. The price is up 10% in a day, that's great! Bitfinex even reached $369.90 today. I think it's now time for some traders to secure profits before we can advance further. Let's see if this attempt can make it to $400 in the comming days.

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Quote from: Furio on November 26, 2015, 05:04:57 AM

It´s very strange, normally you would anticipate a price dropp just before black friday, I think a crash is still coming around christmas, or mostly the week before

There has to be a pump first so there can be a crash. This thing today, a $30 raise, is nothing. It may look good on 15m charts but there's still no real peak to fall down from.

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Quote from: afbitcoins on November 26, 2015, 07:07:29 AM

Has XT not gone away yet?

So what happens if XT diverges from bitcoin, do you have the same number of bitcoins on two different blockchains suddenly. Sorry for noobish question but I don't really understaned the repercussions.

Most agree that it's not wanted or needed.. Similarly though, people didn't want to launch an invasion of Iraq either and that happened regardless.

Technically, I believe that if 70% of nodes are running XT, then the network has forked. So even if you don't update your client, the new network is in effect. This new network maintains a blacklist (connections are blocked if they come from a TOR network, however, this blacklist can be updated so your coins will be not be able to be transacted out of your wallet if the maintainers put you on their naughty list) and that is why it is such a horrible thing to do to Bitcoin, which is non-discriminatory in nature.

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Quote from: azguard on November 26, 2015, 04:58:07 AM

yes tide is rising again not much but hope will die last
pass over 340 expect to see it over 350 by end of day

It already has and it is not the end of day for another 12 hours Roll Eyes

Set that reach to $400 now.

There is talk in other threads that the next target is 285, and probably 400 after that. During the pump to 500 it went up 100 dollars in about 8 hours, so it's possible for the price to sail through target after target in less than half a day. Reaching 400 before the end of today seems possible.

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Looks like we're hitting that rocket-high Black Friday rate soon!

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Has XT not gone away yet?

So what happens if XT diverges from bitcoin, do you have the same number of bitcoins on two different blockchains suddenly. Sorry for noobish question but I don't really understaned the repercussions.

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Quote from: azguard on November 26, 2015, 04:58:07 AM

yes tide is rising again not much but hope will die last
pass over 340 expect to see it over 350 by end of day

It already has and it is not the end of day for another 12 hours Roll Eyes

Set that reach to $400 now.

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The Tide is Turning you say..

Here is Gavin Andresen to the rescue, ready to pimp Bitcoin XT for another round with it's upgrade path and blacklists. The Coinbase CEO and Roger Ver will surely be behind it as well.

And Gold is going down! That's the thing that China and other BRICS countries have been buying.. While the US has largely depleted it's reserves on the sly.

No way Chinese mining farms will get behind Bitcoin XT, and neither should the community. Anyway, it will be easy to trade for the next while, now you know the price will be driven by how close the XT fork is to being implemented.

And if you want to feel like a superhero as you're 'sticking it to the bankers', just get a chip implanted for NFC payments!!

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Quote from: EternalWingsofGod on November 26, 2015, 06:02:41 AM

Quote from: Furio on November 26, 2015, 05:04:57 AM

It´s very strange, normally you would anticipate a price dropp just before black friday, I think a crash is still coming around christmas, or mostly the week before

No it would be the opposite in my opinion a Price rally as people stock up on Bitcoins before black friday, a price drop after the merchants convert the Bitcoins back after black friday sort of a double dip effect.

Yeah, this is what will probably happen, what goes up must come down and tomorrow is the day that will do something to the price anyway however short term it is.

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Quote from: unent on November 26, 2015, 06:19:16 AM

Quote from: EternalWingsofGod on November 26, 2015, 06:02:41 AM

Quote from: Furio on November 26, 2015, 05:04:57 AM

It´s very strange, normally you would anticipate a price dropp just before black friday, I think a crash is still coming around christmas, or mostly the week before

No it would be the opposite in my opinion a Price rally as people stock up on Bitcoins before black friday, a price drop after the merchants convert the Bitcoins back after black friday sort of a double dip effect.

That's what happened during Black Friday week last year. There was a modest pump beforehand, and a dump afterwards. I had given up on a pump after watching the price decline until yesterday, and this pump caught me by surprise. Over £30 up in 24 hours is an extremely fast pump.

What can I say people are lazy when it comes towards these type of things, I'm sure that there are a lot of individuals who are getting coins at the last minute just in case they want to get some goods, afterwards what people and merchants decide to do with their coins will depend.
Although since part of that volume is Chinese and it's not singles day maybe the Chinese are interested in some online Bitcoin deals ha-ha
Or MMM ponzi it continues lol.

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Quote from: unent on November 26, 2015, 06:19:16 AM

Quote from: EternalWingsofGod on November 26, 2015, 06:02:41 AM

Quote from: Furio on November 26, 2015, 05:04:57 AM

It´s very strange, normally you would anticipate a price dropp just before black friday, I think a crash is still coming around christmas, or mostly the week before

No it would be the opposite in my opinion a Price rally as people stock up on Bitcoins before black friday, a price drop after the merchants convert the Bitcoins back after black friday sort of a double dip effect.

That's what happened during Black Friday week last year. There was a modest pump beforehand, and a dump afterwards. I had given up on a pump after watching the price decline until yesterday, and this pump caught me by surprise. Over £30 up in 24 hours is an extremely fast pump.

It's a more than welcome increase. I as trader would like to see these kind of unexpected increases more often

When people expect a lot from Bitcoin, nothing is happening. When people aren't expecting anything, then the price is showing action. Let's not expect anything from the price, ok?

OK

I keep searching the news for another reason for the pump besides Black Friday but I can't find anything. Nobody really gave a convincing reason for the pump to 500, it just seemed to happen without any reason. I'm giving up expecting news to pump the price, it's like the news doesn't affect it.

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Quote from: unent on November 26, 2015, 06:19:16 AM

Quote from: EternalWingsofGod on November 26, 2015, 06:02:41 AM

Quote from: Furio on November 26, 2015, 05:04:57 AM

It´s very strange, normally you would anticipate a price dropp just before black friday, I think a crash is still coming around christmas, or mostly the week before

No it would be the opposite in my opinion a Price rally as people stock up on Bitcoins before black friday, a price drop after the merchants convert the Bitcoins back after black friday sort of a double dip effect.

That's what happened during Black Friday week last year. There was a modest pump beforehand, and a dump afterwards. I had given up on a pump after watching the price decline until yesterday, and this pump caught me by surprise. Over £30 up in 24 hours is an extremely fast pump.

It's a more than welcome increase. I as trader would like to see these kind of unexpected increases more often

When people expect a lot from Bitcoin, nothing is happening. When people aren't expecting anything, then the price is showing action. Let's not expect anything from the price, ok?

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Quote from: EternalWingsofGod on November 26, 2015, 06:02:41 AM

Quote from: Furio on November 26, 2015, 05:04:57 AM

It´s very strange, normally you would anticipate a price dropp just before black friday, I think a crash is still coming around christmas, or mostly the week before

No it would be the opposite in my opinion a Price rally as people stock up on Bitcoins before black friday, a price drop after the merchants convert the Bitcoins back after black friday sort of a double dip effect.

That's what happened during Black Friday week last year. There was a modest pump beforehand, and a dump afterwards. I had given up on a pump after watching the price decline until yesterday, and this pump caught me by surprise. Over £30 up in 24 hours is an extremely fast pump.

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Glad to see this happening.

We might hit $400 before black friday after all.

We'll just have to wait and see, really excited to wake up to this.

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Quote from: Furio on November 26, 2015, 05:04:57 AM

It´s very strange, normally you would anticipate a price dropp just before black friday, I think a crash is still coming around christmas, or mostly the week before

No it would be the opposite in my opinion a Price rally as people stock up on Bitcoins before black friday, a price drop after the merchants convert the Bitcoins back after black friday sort of a double dip effect.

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Quote from: azguard on November 26, 2015, 04:58:07 AM

yes tide is rising again not much but hope will die last
pass over 340 expect to see it over 350 by end of day

Not much? It is up almost 10% in a day. That is a huge rise by all standards..

This pace we might see 400 on black Friday, makes your purchases really cheap if you got bitcoins before yesterday.

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It´s very strange, normally you would anticipate a price dropp just before black friday, I think a crash is still coming around christmas, or mostly the week before

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yes tide is rising again not much but hope will die last
pass over 340 expect to see it over 350 by end of day

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https://bitco.in/forum/threads/gold-collapsing-bitcoin-up.16/page-124#post-4351
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3u9mnq/gavin_andresen_i_might_take_over_lead_of_bitcoin/cxd3tjc

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