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July 01, 2018, 12:21:51 PM
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The United States Withdraws from the World





The United States has decided to no longer participate in the United Nations 47-member Human Rights Council (UNHRC). The number one reason cited by U.S. Ambassador Nikki Haley was that the council is unfairly critically focused on Israel. The United States had already left the U.N.'s cultural organization UNESCO last October, the last straw reportedly being when the organization named the city of Hebron on the West Bank a Palestinian World Heritage site, which Israel declared to be unacceptable. At that time, the number one reason cited by Haley for the withdrawal was that the organization was too critical of Israel.

Haley has also made a number of other comments relating to the United Nations and Israel. Immediately upon taking office she complained that "nowhere has the U.N.'s failure been more consistent and more outrageous than in its bias against our close ally Israel" and vowed that the "days of Israel bashing are over." In February 2017, she blocked the appointment of former Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad to a diplomatic position at the United Nations because he is a Palestinian. In a congressional hearing she was asked about the decision: "Is it this administration's position that support for Israel and support for the appointment of a well-qualified individual of Palestinian nationality to an appointment at the U.N. are mutually exclusive?" Haley responded yes, that the administration is "supporting Israel" by blocking every Palestinian.

There is clearly a disinclination on the part of the Trump Administration to support multinational bodies, evident in the rejection of climate, trade and non-proliferation agreements. Complete withdrawal from the United Nations is not unthinkable in the current climate, though the Democrats and some moderate Republicans would no doubt strongly resist such a move. In my opinion, the United Nations is a dystopian mess but it is better to have it than not as it provides a forum where nations that otherwise cannot meet are able too do so and discuss transnational issues. And it should be conceded that the U.N.'s inability to actually function is largely both structural and bureaucratic due to the veto power given to the Security Council's five permanent members, a function that Nikki Haley has repeatedly used to stop resolutions that might be offensive to the United States or Israel.

Beyond that, Haley's constant citation of concern for Israel gives strength to the suggestion that there is something unnatural about its bilateral "special" relationship with the United States. In the Middle East in particular, Israel would seem to be driving U.S. policy, particularly vis-à-vis Syria, Lebanon and Iran. Israel is intent on continuing political chaos in Syria lest there be a threat to its continued occupation of the Golan Heights and has warned about possible preemptive action in Lebanon to punish Hezbollah. It also wants the United States to deal decisively with Iran. By all accounts, those agendas are proceeding very well as Washington has been regularly threatening Iran and last week vowed to take military action if Damascus seeks to recover territory in the Syrian southwest that until recently was held by terrorists.


Read more at https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/06/phil-giraldi/the-united-states-withdraws-from-the-world/.


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if we don't kill those who tried to enslave us worldwide first, it is a dangerous position that will lead them to an edge. as such war first, then withdrawns.
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If the United States feels that its national interest are not being championed by the UN body, I think they have every right to withdraw.
legendary
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Israel's human rights violations are egregious; they're an apartheid state. Nikki Haley - my former governor - doesn't have a clue what's actually going on there and how the Palestinians are treated. Time to wake up.

What I have realized from the whole Israeli and Palestinian conflict is that it's mostly the Palestinians who seem to initiate the attacks against the Israelis and when the respond, people seem to label them as the bad guys in all of this which is really unfair.


Ya, just like the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto kept 'initiating the attacks' on those poor poor Nazis who just wanted peace and tranquility and justice for all.

What I have realized is that "The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you".  Actually, I didn't realize it.  Have run across it time and time again on the internets.  Supposedly it's an old Polish proverb, but man-o-man does it fit.

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Israel's human rights violations are egregious; they're an apartheid state. Nikki Haley - my former governor - doesn't have a clue what's actually going on there and how the Palestinians are treated. Time to wake up.
What I have realized from the whole Israeli and Palestinian conflict is that it's mostly the Palestinians who seem to initiate the attacks against the Israelis and when the respond, people seem to label them as the bad guys in all of this which is really unfair.
legendary
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Israel was set in place in 1948. The U.S. and other countries made it happen. It was done so that there would be strength to fight the joining of the Islamic nations in the Middle East.

Lawrence of Arabia showed the world what the Islamic nations might do if combined. Lawrence, himself, died in a motorcycle accident. More than likely he was shot by an assassin on a "grassy knoll" rather than being in a simple motorcycle accident, and the truth of his death was covered up by the military leaders at the time.

Three things about Israel:
1. It is not the Israel of the former days, the one that was destroyed with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD;
2. Israel of today has always been a puppet of Jews and others outside of Israel, itself;
3. Simple people who happened to be descendants of ancient Israel, welcome the new Israel, but don't understand the political roll they have been shoved into.

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'Burnt offerings 2.0'(tm)?

Here is a unique perspective which I will relate although it is simply in the 'interesting hypothesis' category for me until much further information comes in:

The so-called 'Jews' were supposed to have been 'banished' to Babylon as a punishment in way-back times, but some of them took a liking to it and to the customs of the locals.  In the end, more of the current dogma of modern-day Judaism developed in that part of the world than in Judea, and indeed, there have been long-running power and philosophical struggles between the Jews from Babylon and those of Judea (Israel area.)

The Jews today have almost universally adopted the 'Babylonian Talmud.'  Why?  I suggest flexibility.

The Judea-ish Talmud was boring (in the Christian model.)  It was of the style 'Don't rape your daughter.  Period.'

The Babylonian Talmud was more of the style 'What would happen if one raped his daughter???'  Then there was a ton of discussion about the pros and cons of raping your daughter.  Different 'rabbinical scholars' can pick and choose which arguments make sense to them, and a practitioner of Judaism can pick and choose his Rabbi and/or interpretation of the assorted texts.  Handy for a guy like Woody Allen to would like to rape his daughter so much that he did so.  Or a guy who just entertains the thought as Trump hinted at.

When the Khazars of Central Asia decided to adopt Judaism as the state religion, the Babylonian variant was the most accessible.  So, from the start, the Judea variant was a distant fork which were at best a source of lingering hassles.  These people were to become the Ashkenazi who formed the State of Israel in the wake of WW-II and dominate it's politics.  The 'Sephardi' are considered stupid quasi-goyim and second-class citizens.  Mostly useful for blaming problems on.

Is it possible that the Likudnics view Judea as just a stepping stone back to Babylon?  Could that be why Iran, and it's destruction, is such a source of interest to them and why they had their vassal state of the U.S. do Iraq first?  Would the 'biblical' destruction of Palestine yet again kill two birds with one stone for these folks?

legendary
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A basic thesis that I am working on is that there are two basic power groups of critical importance over the last half century.  They are related in certain core philosophical under-pinnings which inform some of their behaviors.  Some of these are esoteric and could be called 'Luciferian', but that confuses the issue more than it helps.

Group-1 would be variously known as 'communists' in short-hand, though Marxism is just a marketing term for totalitarian monetary system control which is not necessarily based on usury as long as more effective and fined grained control is practicable.  This group is most visibly represented by the United Nations these days.

Group-2 would be Zionists and included the Nazi regime when there was a battle against the commies for the soul of post WW-! Germany.  These people are more fixated on usury as the foundation of their power and favor monetary systems built upon it.  This group is most visibly represented by the Rothschild banking cabal these days.

These two basic groups are more friends than enemies and scratch one-another's backs more than they duke it out.  For example, Group-1 is happy to supply wars which are the source of immense profits for group-2,...though of course group-1 takes a healthy cut of the proceeds.

Group-1 has been one winning streak due in part to the inherent failure modes which are profitable to group-2 such as the great depression.  Plus, the communist marketing material is a good seller in most 'natural' distribution-of-wealth states.

The struggles between group-1 and group-2 are likely to get more serious as we reach the end of the USD monetary system and need a re-set of some sort.

With Trump, group-2 has the reigns.

A favorable outcome for the U.S. would be to use the Trump period to cause real damage to our relationship with group-1.  To this end, any real damage to the United Nations and NATO would be a great thing as long as it isn't just a stage show.  It is key, though, that Americans develop an understanding of what the United Nations is all about and don't 'spring back' when Trump is gone.

Part-B of a favorable move would be the American people also gaining and understanding of Group-2.  One cannot help but be shocked and disgusted by what this group stands for which makes me consider them a weaker enemy.

I'd like to see a more walled off United States which focuses on our own problems and creating a good society for our people.  One where we serve a useful purpose as a model that others may try to emulate if they wish, and we 'help' others outside of our country only when asked and only in a genuine way not driven by a goal of exploitation.

Of all of the monetary system choices, I like the 'usurous debt-backed' system the best in spite of it's multitude of problems BUT one with 'extreme transparency' and with the profits accruing to a (much smaller) state rather than to a handful of private banking interests.  With such a thing, and without massive military expenditures to try to rule over an empire and 'support' our supposed 'friends' in the promised land, we may well find that taxes and/or deficit spending are not even necessary in order to support a healthy and pleasant society.


edit: minor correction in group specifiers.
legendary
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Israel was set in place in 1948. The U.S. and other countries made it happen. It was done so that there would be strength to fight the joining of the Islamic nations in the Middle East.

Lawrence of Arabia showed the world what the Islamic nations might do if combined. Lawrence, himself, died in a motorcycle accident. More than likely he was shot by an assassin on a "grassy knoll" rather than being in a simple motorcycle accident, and the truth of his death was covered up by the military leaders at the time.

Three things about Israel:
1. It is not the Israel of the former days, the one that was destroyed with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD;
2. Israel of today has always been a puppet of Jews and others outside of Israel, itself;
3. Simple people who happened to be descendants of ancient Israel, welcome the new Israel, but don't understand the political roll they have been shoved into.

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Israel's human rights violations are egregious; they're an apartheid state. Nikki Haley - my former governor - doesn't have a clue what's actually going on there and how the Palestinians are treated. Time to wake up.
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Now if countries close their borders, they will be self sufficient. Internet will keep worldwide people connected.

China has 819 billionaires and they have the technology to make large planes.

USA has the resources and land to support 500 million people.

Countries like Pakistan have 130 nuclear weapons and Pakistan has manufactured 150 JF-15 fighters.

Technology transfer worldwide makes countries undependable on other countries.
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i think This is a sign of weakness rather than strength
legendary
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The United States Withdraws from the World





The United States has decided to no longer participate in the United Nations 47-member Human Rights Council (UNHRC). The number one reason cited by U.S. Ambassador Nikki Haley was that the council is unfairly critically focused on Israel. The United States had already left the U.N.'s cultural organization UNESCO last October, the last straw reportedly being when the organization named the city of Hebron on the West Bank a Palestinian World Heritage site, which Israel declared to be unacceptable. At that time, the number one reason cited by Haley for the withdrawal was that the organization was too critical of Israel.

Haley has also made a number of other comments relating to the United Nations and Israel. Immediately upon taking office she complained that "nowhere has the U.N.'s failure been more consistent and more outrageous than in its bias against our close ally Israel" and vowed that the "days of Israel bashing are over." In February 2017, she blocked the appointment of former Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad to a diplomatic position at the United Nations because he is a Palestinian. In a congressional hearing she was asked about the decision: "Is it this administration's position that support for Israel and support for the appointment of a well-qualified individual of Palestinian nationality to an appointment at the U.N. are mutually exclusive?" Haley responded yes, that the administration is "supporting Israel" by blocking every Palestinian.

There is clearly a disinclination on the part of the Trump Administration to support multinational bodies, evident in the rejection of climate, trade and non-proliferation agreements. Complete withdrawal from the United Nations is not unthinkable in the current climate, though the Democrats and some moderate Republicans would no doubt strongly resist such a move. In my opinion, the United Nations is a dystopian mess but it is better to have it than not as it provides a forum where nations that otherwise cannot meet are able too do so and discuss transnational issues. And it should be conceded that the U.N.'s inability to actually function is largely both structural and bureaucratic due to the veto power given to the Security Council's five permanent members, a function that Nikki Haley has repeatedly used to stop resolutions that might be offensive to the United States or Israel.

Beyond that, Haley's constant citation of concern for Israel gives strength to the suggestion that there is something unnatural about its bilateral "special" relationship with the United States. In the Middle East in particular, Israel would seem to be driving U.S. policy, particularly vis-à-vis Syria, Lebanon and Iran. Israel is intent on continuing political chaos in Syria lest there be a threat to its continued occupation of the Golan Heights and has warned about possible preemptive action in Lebanon to punish Hezbollah. It also wants the United States to deal decisively with Iran. By all accounts, those agendas are proceeding very well as Washington has been regularly threatening Iran and last week vowed to take military action if Damascus seeks to recover territory in the Syrian southwest that until recently was held by terrorists.


Read more at https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/06/phil-giraldi/the-united-states-withdraws-from-the-world/.


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