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legendary
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here in the UK
buying just a apartment in the mid city of london can be £1m+
yet 1 hour train commute someone can get a house of bigger liiving space for £200k

the price of the commute if done 5 days a week for 20 years is way way way way less than £200k combined. meaning a saving for £600k

yep all-in you can have a nice size countryside house with good views and quiet living and commute to work in london knowing your only 1 hour away. all for $400k on a 20year mortgage.. or pay 1 million and still be 20 minutes from workplace

You are loosing time and time = money

not really

imagine you had to work 12 hours a day in london to get £1m a year salary just to pay london property

buy a house 50mins from london by train and 10 minuts from train to house (like i said an hour commute)

buy a house for $200k with a £10k rail season ticket per year
meaning £400k all in, over a 20 year mortgage

and here is the thing

instead of working 12 hours (with a 2x 10 commute from london apartment)
meaning leaving home at 7:50am and returning home at 8:10pm
for £1m that just PAYS THE MORTGAGE in city living

rural home:
leave at 8am. (gotta admit everyone loves them extra 10mins in bed)
get to work by 9am. (work 8 hours for £666k)
leave work at 5pm get home by 6pm(instead of 8pm)

and earn £666k where £400k goes on your home mortgage and commute
and you get to then spend £266k spare income in the extra two hours per evening you get at home to play with the wife and kids longer

..
personally
i would not want to city-live just for the sake of telling people "i earn £1m before bills" but have no physical spare cash after paying the mortgage and being tired and depressed with no family time

i would prefer the same pay per hour. but have less hours so less tired. les stressed. get to have a calm commute to work and enjoy the hour travel there and back to cool down from work. and get to have 2 hours extra with family(happy&calm) AND have an extra £266k to spend AFTER BILLS

oh and instead of having a small single persons apartment.. in smog city.
i have a nice rural bigger house in clear air country

(where i live now. it snowed during the night. if it snows again, we can walk to the field behind the house and the kids can sled down the field.. something that cant be done in a london apartment)
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here in the UK
buying just a apartment in the mid city of london can be £1m+
yet 1 hour train commute someone can get a house of bigger liiving space for £200k

the price of the commute if done 5 days a week for 20 years is way way way way less than £200k combined. meaning a saving for £600k

yep all-in you can have a nice size countryside house with good views and quiet living and commute to work in london knowing your only 1 hour away. all for $400k on a 20year mortgage.. or pay 1 million and still be 20 minutes from workplace

You are loosing time and time = money
5 days a week x 48 weeks a year (52 weeks - vacation and holidays) = 240 days
240 days x 2 hours a day = 480 hours a year
480 hours x 20 years = 9600 hours there is a cost to that.

I am not figuring in the time it takes you to get from your house to the train station. Since from one side of a city to another also takes time.

At least here in the US living in a place like NYC also means you don't need a car for the most part. And with things like zipcar if you do need to go somewhere one is available. So you save on cost of owning a car and insurance and such.

Some people like the city, others like the country, but in the end you have to do what works for you.



... And as you said, people effectively being locked out of big cities like San Francisco and NYC isn't a new thing at all.  It's been that way since before I was born and I seriously doubt it's going to change....                                                    

Yup, I remember back in the mid 70s how people were saying that NYC is too expensive for people to live there and it's crime filled and everyone is leaving and it's going to go bankrupt and so on.

I put it into the category of when people say "It's to crowded, nobody goes there"



Fixed it- The U.S. Needs More Affordable Housing Than Almost Anyone Can Imagine.  It's more of an affordability issue than a inventory issue, esp in cities and suburbs.  The situation is so dire that folks are working 40+ hours/week and more than one job and still cannot afford.

It's also a matter of generating headlines.
Within an hour train ride of NYC housing is still expensive. Bump that up to a 90 minute train ride it really starts to drop. A lot. Like a whole lot.
But as I posted above time = money that is an extra 200+ hours a year on the train. (30 minutes extra each way = 5 hours a week = 225+ hours a year) and the longer the train ride the more expensive it is. But saying you can still be a short(ish) train ride away and have a nice place as franky1 said, does not generate the clicks on the headlines.

On the other hand salaries in NYC are way above what other places pay and finding work is easier. Case in point I have a friend of a friend who just got fired from twitter. Single no ties to be here. Got a job offer from another big tech company, could stay here in NYC and make about 5% more then he was getting at Twitter OR move to SF and make about 10% more OR move to Texas and take a 20% pay cut.

Yeah, he is staying here. With 20% cut in TX he would probably be in about the same financially possibly a bit better BUT and this is a big BUT said other tech company is the ONLY major employer for about a two hour drive. So if it does not work out he is screwed. The new job implodes here in NY there are enough other places to work. Someplace (and I really did forget the name of the town) on the TX / OK border for tech the options are a lot more limited.

-Dave



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I do not know, but the solution in such cases may be to have service real estate with small areas that are owned by funds managed by the state. These real estate aims for housing directly and away from speculation, while the rest of the real estate belongs to economic activities in terms of speculation and achieving a return from it.
Singapore almost succeeded in solving this problem, I had read somewhere the details of their plan.
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Due to the exorbitant cost, alternative options like living in a tiny house or inside a vehicle like camper or van are becoming more popular mainstream options. Perhaps that is the segment of the market to invest in as it could very well be the fastest growing.

I noticed the growing number of videos on youtube over the last 12-18 months, of people living in boats, vans and tiny of grid cabins. There is a growing number of people who try to break the cycle of ever rising real estate prices,

what i notice. is people see a house for $100k
take out a $130k mortgage
get the house + a 'nomad' mobile home

and then rent out their home for a premium above mortgage. so that they get their mortgage paid(by someone else(the renter)) and get some passive income from the premium

but hey if other people wanna sell their home and buy a van and then spend all that house sell income vacationing. thats on them
if i was them they should have done the smart plan. use the real estate game to get gains

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Due to the exorbitant cost, alternative options like living in a tiny house or inside a vehicle like camper or van are becoming more popular mainstream options. Perhaps that is the segment of the market to invest in as it could very well be the fastest growing.

I noticed the growing number of videos on youtube over the last 12-18 months, of people living in boats, vans and tiny of grid cabins. There is a growing number of people who try to break the cycle of ever rising real estate prices, and there is also a huge demand of ordinary people to find out about these topics. These videos have millions of views from people all around the world. I think most of the western countries face the same problem like in the USA. More housing is needed because more people are singles and live alone, or in smaller families. And the housing is concentrating on a few large cities which offer the best employment option. People are not willing to commute long distances anymore and rather pay higher rent prices to live in trendy new area. The main issue I see in my country is that old houses and office buildings needs to be converted in apartments, also large apartments will be split into two smaller apartments as they can get more money for them. And this process takes many years, the whole housing situation can't be fixed within 2-3 years.
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In my opinion, the best way to prevent a real estate crash is to provide incentives for more affordable housing in the US. This could be done through tax breaks for development, or lowering the cost of land by lowering property taxes while increasing infrastructure funding. There are also other ways, such as increasing density in large cities to create more housing units. But at the same time it's not just about building new houses and apartments, of course you also need to pay attention to the quality of these houses and apartments.
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Not only in the United States, but anywhere in the world when your salary does not match your local prices, you have no ability to buy a house. You may choose to take out a loan, then it will be your stress for decades to come. Some people choose to rent a house for life, while others choose to put pressure on themselves. There is no way, this is your own choice. It is possible to have a side hustle outside of your regular job. Otherwise, the rich will become richer and richer, and the money of the poor will flow to the rich.
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people are not paying a premium for city living due to lack of housing

there are many apartment blocks with vacant apartments.
they pay a premium to not have to commute for an hour in the morning and an hour in the evening

yes they can save themselves alot of money living outside the city. but its time thats a premium

imagine your a city worker. earning $500k a year
where of your 12 hours of awake life 2 hours of it is spent/wasted in commuting (16%)
if you can bring that down to just 30 mins (1/4th) wouldnt that be worth maybe 10% of your income
so $50k on a 20 year mortgage is $1m

broadly speaking paying ~$1m on a city home over 20 years means you get 90 minutes of spare time to relax and enjoy life

time is money and money is time

no point earning $500k if you got no spare time to enjoy it. might aswell keep $450k and enjoy 90minutes of freetime to enjoy your homelife each day
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If the US the country that we all consider as the superpower needs more housing what about the other country, just saying.

I am not from the US but I am recently browsing about housing prices that for me and everybody else is insane is a million dollars to purchase a small apartment in New York City and there is some youtube show how much the price for monthly rent the $500 is for couple of meters damnnnn

Tell me - but besides New York, there are no other cities in the USA that are acceptable for life? You still look at the center of Tokyo, or Paris, or Berlin ... Or ROME .. Or Monaco? Or the Vatican... Or Zurich? You will be surprised - but there, too, real estate prices are not 10.000 dollars / euros for a cozy apartment!....
Why ? Well, because the capitals / financial centers, and it is always expensive there. But I'll tell you a secret - just don't tell anyone you can live in other cities, yeah! Smiley
Why doesn't Warsaw or Prague suit you? Beautiful European cities! Or like Helsinki? Or like Covilhã in Portugal? Or the lovely Italian cities of southern Italy? And this is just a drop in the bucket of thousands of other beautiful cities!!! And if you want to live in Manhattan in New York - save money Smiley
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I have to say it is not even all about "building" a house but more about how real estate became an investment for way too many people.

its more like a select amount of people own more then a dozen properties each, all vacant and used just for investment

there is enough housing but its just that the prices went up too fast in previous years meaning they either have to correct back down fast. or stagnate for years until real value catches up
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I have to say it is not even all about "building" a house but more about how real estate became an investment for way too many people. The reality is that you could pay 20% of a house, and get the 80% with a loan and that loan will be a paid back by the renters on your home.

There are many examples where you buy a house, pay 800 per month and you rent it out for 1000 dollars per month so you make even a small profit, which means if you put it aside, that is another payment every 4 months, if one person stays for about 5 years, they pay 6-7 years of loans basically, and that's great for home owners. This resulted with people having multiple houses, and it is not about scarcity in general, it is scarcity in the market, all the house on sale gets sold very quickly for this profitable reason.
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If the US the country that we all consider as the superpower needs more housing what about the other country, just saying.

I am not from the US but I am recently browsing about housing prices that for me and everybody else is insane is a million dollars to purchase a small apartment in New York City and there is some youtube show how much the price for monthly rent the $500 is for couple of meter damnnnn
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plot rent control against against locations with the most homeless against locations where freezing to death isn't going to happen.


Canada also has some homeless problems. 

But, go talk to those homeless in Canada.  Engage..   99% of them are all drug addicts(of one sort or another) and or people with mental health conditions.   

In my opinion this is a sign of our failing healthcare system over lack of housing.
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When considering a country like the USA, where the population is growing due to reasons like international migration, it is clear that the availability of housing must be improved. In addition, while many homes are offered, their costs do not benefit the average person. Despite the fact that houses don't fall out of the sky  Grin Grin Grin, the enormous demand for property is making prices absurdly high. Housing is a necessity that we cannot live without, and I believe that the government should implement more plans for constructing more cheap homes. For example, in my nation, homes are expensive since 85% of them are owned by the private sector.
legendary
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here in the UK
buying just a apartment in the mid city of london can be £1m+
yet 1 hour train commute someone can get a house of bigger liiving space for £200k

the price of the commute if done 5 days a week for 20 years is way way way way less than £200k combined. meaning a saving for £600k

yep all-in you can have a nice size countryside house with good views and quiet living and commute to work in london knowing your only 1 hour away. all for $400k on a 20year mortgage.. or pay 1 million and still be 20 minutes from workplace
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Not for nothing, but those are fantastic options for people who are willing to live that way (and I would if I could afford to travel the country in a van).  And as you said, people effectively being locked out of big cities like San Francisco and NYC isn't a new thing at all.  It's been that way since before I was born and I seriously doubt it's going to change.                                              

I am not from the USA, but I have seen some memes which basically mock people (specially young adults) which are worried/upset about the price of living (renting) in big cities, while at the same time they think living in small towns (in the same state) where there is more affordable housing is not an option.

I wonder whether those memes are an exaggeration or not in the current state of housing there and the mentality of young adults.
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Due to the exorbitant cost, alternative options like living in a tiny house or inside a vehicle like camper or van are becoming more popular mainstream options. Perhaps that is the segment of the market to invest in as it could very well be the fastest growing.
Not for nothing, but those are fantastic options for people who are willing to live that way (and I would if I could afford to travel the country in a van).  And as you said, people effectively being locked out of big cities like San Francisco and NYC isn't a new thing at all.  It's been that way since before I was born and I seriously doubt it's going to change.
                 
I also don't quite understand the argument that it's unfair that people who can't afford to live somewhere....can't live there.  That sounds like the kind of whiny "capitalism is evil" crap that left-wingers like to spew on about.  Life isn't fair and this world owes neither you nor I nothing.                                                           
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The United states is a country where a lot of people want to move to, both legal and illegal immigration (I assume) contributes to the demand for housing. It is opposite what happened here in Venezuela, people left and now you can get a big house for 30k$.

I have seen videos which suggest that in many places (even in democrat states) landowners do not feel comfortable with the building of high density housing, so they vote to keep it low density, which does not help either to supply the demand for housing.

1. It was very rightly noted that real estate is not always a good investment vehicle. There are many such examples. It is human nature to look for a place where it is more comfortable, more convenient, safer, more profitable, so migration will always affect the demand and price of real estate. Migration leads to both an increase and a fall in prices.

2. Dense urban development - a disease of large cities where there is no proper planning. Although, with a large and active population growth - multi-storey residential complexes - this is the only way to satisfy the demand for real estate.
On the example of my hometown of Kyiv (Ukraine) - 35 years ago, there were only a few skyscrapers of 20+ floors. Now most of the buildings are 18-25 floors. In the suburbs, as long as the territory allows, 4-5-storey complexes are being built, they are more comfortable. Although in Kyiv there are residential mini-complexes located in the park / forest area, which gives a more comfortable stay.

What is good - after the boom and bubble in the real estate market in 2009-2010, prices have become more adequate, and the terms of sale are more comfortable in terms of financial burden.
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I don't know how it occurs to you to post such fascist propaganda on this forum. USA doesn't need more houses, it needs the ones that are already there to be better distributed, it needs some laws to prohibit people from owning more than two houses and put more taxes on their ownership, blah, blah blah blah.

Now seriously, why do you think California has such high RE prices? Because of junk regulations and high taxes. Solving the housing problem both supply and price is as easy as removing regulations and lowering taxes. Add to that cutting government spending and states like California would go back to being net receivers of people instead of having an exodus of people fleeing. That is what needs to be done and not
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there is enough housing being built. however there needs to be enough of those houses/apartments that are already being built put into the bottom tier of affordability that meets the 30% of minimum wage rent amount

i know that those on minimum wage dont like living in apartments in locations that remind them of "urban projects/social housing" but the price of materials and labour means they wont get a mansion for minimum wage

towns and cities just have to make sure there is housing for the populations of different economic tiers affordability.

EG if 60% of a city are minimum wage. 60% of housing has to be minimum wage tier housing.
its not about "more housing" than already planned development.  its about housing that fits the economic populous

this can be achieved easily
states know how much citizens earn via tax filings so they can easily plot out the populous into lists of populous per tier and doing the same with house valuations and work out which housing needs more built in which tier group to meet the need.

not build excess housing just to crash the entire market. but just plan the standard housing expansion to meet the tier group that needs it most at the time

EG if standard early planned production was 100k housing
if more millions move to the area where expensive housing has more demand then use the 100k planned in standard expansion to be X% higher tier. and if more min wage families have people reaching "nest leaver age" then Y% of them 100k housing to be built at the bottom tier price.

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if a city has 10m homes. with a 1% population growth. they know thats 100k homes.
they then calculate that say 10% are top tier income earners 30% mid tier and 60% bottom tier earners.

so they only offer development permits to make 10k mansion level market, where developers can sell at top market rate.
30k permits for mid market rate. and 60k apartments that cannot sell/rent to market above tier rate of min wage

where it then plans out the development better without crashing the whole market with silly idea's of "just build 300k homes and crash the whole market"
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Fixed it- The U.S. Needs More Affordable Housing Than Almost Anyone Can Imagine.  It's more of an affordability issue than a inventory issue, esp in cities and suburbs.  The situation is so dire that folks are working 40+ hours/week and more than one job and still cannot afford.
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I believe that it's a world-wide issue, and it's not limited to house purchases but also to renting. Due to Airbnb or other similar applications, a lot of houses and apartments have been withdrawn from the housing business. I'm not entirely sure about the U.S., but European cities, and especially touristy ones, have suffered a lot. On top of that, the new trend of digital nomads is also driving rent prices up due to their ability to afford higher rents. There were even protests in Lisbon, Portugal, a while ago for this very reason. The younger generation is also unable to even purchase a small apartment due to the combination of expensive housing and low wages.
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Another problem i recently heard is that not only the buying a house is difficult in the states, renting a house in major cities is an equally challenge task, they ask that you should earn atleast 20-30 times of your Rental amount to be able to just rent the flat. Also the rental norms are so rigid that if you parents become your surety he'll have to earn double of what is the requirements for you. Which means not only buying a house but renting a house in the states is equally challenging.

not quite
its more like if a estate agent wants to charge say 30% of a income for rent. by a person bringing relatives into the "total income"  it then means the "income" reaches the threshold

EG imagine basic rent was $150 a week for a not so poverty level suburb house(min wage/poverty level being $120 rent in this example)

but a min wage person earned 400 a week
thats more then the 30% income
a min wage person at 30% should get rent at $120, not $150

but the min wage person refuses to live in the "poor" suburb, so includes  parents. that mean income is over $1.2k so they can lock in a assured income of rentable properties upto $360 based on family combined income.. so its then deemed viable to give the deal of $150 a week rent
because now its assured income, where parents (should) bail out the offspring if rent isnt paid in full

however the parents dont then hand the offspring their share to keep up with the rent($30 a week extra), they let the offspring find their own way of covering the extra $30 beyond their means
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Another problem i recently heard is that not only the buying a house is difficult in the states, renting a house in major cities is an equally challenge task, they ask that you should earn atleast 20-30 times of your Rental amount to be able to just rent the flat. Also the rental norms are so rigid that if you parents become your surety he'll have to earn double of what is the requirements for you. Which means not only buying a house but renting a house in the states is equally challenging.
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its not about house builds. its about house prices.

there is enough homes being built per year
2021 seen 1.6m home built[1]

if you look at the population growth rate of 2002-2003[2]
2003    291,109,820
2002    288,350,252

=2,759,568.. but remember its usually people growing up over 18 years then getting their own place once they found a partner..
so for every 2 births becomes a need of 1 home 18-20 years later

so population /2 = 1,379,784
(you see the homes in 2020 was 1,379,600[1])
[1] house builds
[2] population growth


so the math calculates correctly of supply/demand..

however its the market rate of inflation and crisis and mortgage interest that pushs the price.. not supply/demand

the solution is not more houses. because people will still set their prices according to their position in the costs of inflation and interest that means their break even rate.

supply/demand is usually how much "bubble" premium ontop of underlying costs.. which push prices too far if in a bubble

however underlying costs of having a home still keeps house prices above a certain amount

so the solution (repeating my self for emphasis) is not to build your way to discount.

instead its to tier-up the market to protect the housing market above a certain level from dropping whilst freeing up price bands at the bottom for starter homes/low income housing

in short the whole housing market does not need to crash to get cheap homes



its the same argument as the bitcoin tx fee
instead of everyone paying more in congestion.. charge the spammers that have utxo's of under 7 confirms pay more sat/byte. while offering lower price for those that move coins less often..
using a tiered fee mechanism
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True. They should start expanding the businesses on wide territory so that people can also move out from the densed cities. For example nobody wants to leave New York or mechanics burg in Pennsylvania because they find it appealing at the Center. The reason: employment, part or full time, you can at least survive a week and pay the rents by working extra. However if we start to move middle of nowhere then travelling would be added cost and time would be ticking like last breath.

However if the businesses and public transports start to develop more and more outside such concentrated areas then people can move out and buy cheaper houses inside land.

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Location...location...location.

That is the issue, there are a lot of places with a lot of available housing here in the US, to the point that the local governments are seizing empty properties though eminent domain and demolishing them. But, there is reason they are empty, usually due to the local economy imploding or just years of it slowly dwindling away. It's easy to point to a place like Detroit but there are plenty of small towns across the US that are just about empty. But, if you move there, there are no jobs, facilities are poor and so on.

You can put people there, and then what?

-Dave
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The United states is a country where a lot of people wants to move to, both legal and illegal immigration (I assume) contributes to the demand for housing. It is opposite what happened here in Venezuela, people left and now you can get a big house for 30k$.

I have seen videos which suggest that in many places (even in democrat states) landowners do not feel comfortable with the building of high density housing, so they vote to keep it low density, which does not help either to supply the demand for housing.
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you dont need to build millions of houses to crank the entire market rate of housing down.

instead you start a system of tier's
where certain locations be tiered at different $x/sqr m

where by as market rate of 'comps' rise. their 'tier' rises. and then that reciprocates down. to the base tier housing which moves up. and so it free's the bottom tier to then make new housing at the low level cost

EG prime real estate in the top echelons of elitism are tier rated as AAA which base value is $20k/m2

social housing as ZZZ
if someone buys their social housing they become ZZY or better straight away
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"That strikes me as a problem. No one can say just what it would take to make Brooklyn affordable for workers who don't have a college degree, render San Francisco accessible to families with kids and elderly couples on fixed incomes, or allow extended -family members in Boston to buy apartments within a few blocks of one another. That means we have no policy vision of how to make our biggest, most productive places affordable for all, and no plan to get there."

Of course, I understand your humane impulses, and the desire that all people have their own housing, but ... There is a market, there are social programs, there are opportunities for people. Unfortunately, not everyone can afford housing, as well as even more cannot afford a good car, good food, quality medicine, quality things, a good education. Unfortunately, absolutely a society where everyone has everything is a UTOPIA. All attempts to build something similar, such as communism, ended in totalitarian power, mass poverty, and repression. Such regimes, which positioned themselves as bringing only well-being and satisfaction of all the needs of the population, already at the start, limited those very opportunities, freedoms, and the right to choose. The second side of the problem is that even adequate systems cannot provide all social groups with everything they need, since the state cannot simply print money and produce free food, clothes, apartments, .... A normal state GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY to earn all this. But not everyone, as surprising as it sounds, wants to work hard to achieve their goals. Yes, there is still a layer of people who have limited opportunities, limited health ...
In a word, the housing market is also regulated by demand, the market, and consumer opportunities.
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It’s not only in the states it’s also in many developed countries like Canada. In some Canadian cities you can be a doctor or lawyer and you cannot afford to buy a house because that’s how expensive they are.

Many of this has to do with immigration and lots to do with development regulation and grants. There is a lot of land out there to build houses and many workers but developers are on purpose slowing down building to keep costs high and in the end many will leave these cities for ones with lower costs of living.
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How many homes must the United States’ expensive coastal cities build to become affordable for middle-class and working-poor families again? Over the past few weeks, I asked a number of housing experts that question. I expected a straightforward response: If you build X units, you reduce rents by Y percent—which means that Washington, D.C., needs to build Z units to become broadly affordable again.

I did not get such a simple answer. “That’s a difficult question with a lot of moving parts,” Jenny Schuetz of the Brookings Institution told me. “Are we assuming that all of these homes drop out of the sky today?” asked David Garcia, the policy director at the Terner Center for Housing Innovation at UC Berkeley. Chris Herbert, the managing director of the Harvard Joint Center for Housing Studies, gave me a long response involving land prices, rental affordability, household formation, and building trends.

Still, all agreed that whatever the number is, it’s enormous. “All the numbers we have that address this question are huge. They’re massive,” Garcia said. “And they’re all a massive undercount.”

That strikes me as a problem. No one can say just what it would take to make Brooklyn affordable for workers who don’t have a college degree, render San Francisco accessible to families with kids and elderly couples on fixed incomes, or allow extended-family members in Boston to buy apartments within a few blocks of one another. That means we have no policy vision of how to make our biggest, most productive places affordable for all, and no plan to get there.

This is not just unfair to Americans who want to move to these places. High rents and sale prices in major cities are a policy choice, one that puts gates around many of our most wonderful places and taxes the folks lucky enough to live there. And it is unfair to all of us. A United States with more abundant housing in its big cities would have a more productive, vibrant, and dynamic economy too.

The best evidence for how much housing we need to build lies in the prices that people pay today. Nationwide, the share of renters who are considered “burdened”—spending more than 30 percent of their income on rent and utilities—has climbed to 47 percent; one in four renters—about 11 million—spend more than half their income on shelter. Renters today spend about 10 more percentage points of their earnings more on housing than they did in the 1970s. Meanwhile, rising prices have also forced millions of younger Americans to delay homeownership, making it impossible for many to buy their way onto the property ladder, particularly in California and New York.

People make painful choices: To keep their housing costs in line with their income, millions of families do not live where they want to or in the kinds of homes they want to or with the people they want to. When the mortgage on a townhouse is too costly, families keep renting their run-down apartment. When a third bedroom costs too much, parents give up on having a third kid. This is a public-policy catastrophe too.

The problem is largely, if not exclusively, the result of the country not permitting enough homes where people want them. Although some communities in the interior of the country, especially in the South, have allowed housing construction to keep up with rapid population growth, the superstar metro areas of the Northeast and West Coast have not. “The reason California has the affordability problems we have now is because we did not build,” said Garcia, of the Terner Center. “In the 1960s, 1970s, even into the 1980s, we built between 200,000 and 300,000 homes per year. In our most recent economic boom, we were building 100,000 a year.” He added: “That is the start and the end of the story when it comes to California.”

And elsewhere. New York City issued fewer new housing permits in the 2010s than it did in the 2000s or in the 1960s; it has, year after year, created more jobs than homes. Nationally, “household growth and new construction have been essentially coincident for the last seven or eight years,” said Herbert, of Harvard. “Typically, housing construction exceeds household formation by about 20 percent, because we’re always removing housing that has outlived its useful life. We haven’t been doing that for a long time. Just by that very simple measure, we’re not building enough.”

The answer is to build more. A lot more. Rough estimates of what economists call the “housing gap”—how much the United States would have to build to bring it back in line with historical trends—aren’t difficult to come by:

  • Looking at the number of American households and the number of vacant housing units, Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored purchaser of mortgage-backed securities, estimates a current supply shortage of 3.8 million units, driven by a 40-year collapse in the construction of homes smaller than 1,400 square feet.
  • The group Up for Growth also arrived at an estimate of 3.8 million, using data on the total demand for housing and the overall supply of habitable, available units.
  • The National Association of Realtors compared the issuance of housing permits with the number of jobs created in 174 different metro areas. It found that only 38 metro regions are permitting enough new homes to keep up with job growth; in more than a dozen areas, including New York, the Bay Area, Boston, Los Angeles, Honolulu, Miami, and Chicago, just one new home is getting built for every 20-plus jobs created. The NAR estimates an “underbuilding gap” of as many as 7 million units.

These numbers draw on data such as vacancy rates, household-formation trends, and building trends. But none of the estimates capture what I’ve come to think of as the affordability gap: the difference between the housing we have and the housing we would need in order to ensure that working-class people could once again live in our big coastal cities for a reasonable cost. Freddie Mac does not purport that building 3.8 million units would make New York accessible to big middle-class families and end homelessess in San Francisco. The National Association of Realtors is not contemplating whether janitors can walk to work in Boston.

Would filling the housing gap as measured by Freddie Mac or the NAR make a dent in costs? Absolutely, housing experts said. Studies show that when builders construct units in a given place, it reduces rents and sale prices in nearby blocks, as well as in nearby neighborhoods; conversely, restricting construction drives prices up. But such calculations do not scale up readily: Knowing that a 10 percent increase in the housing stock in a given place depresses rents by 1 percent within 500 feet does not mean that San Francisco’s increasing its housing stock by 500 percent would force rents down by 50 percent.  

As a general point, “it’s really hard to imagine the most expensive cities becoming significantly cheaper,” Schuetz told me. For one thing, creating new units would cause an increase in household formation: Young workers could opt for studios rather than shared apartments; multigenerational households could break apart. For another thing, high-income, high-cost cities have so much pent-up demand that any one city would have trouble becoming much more affordable on its own. If San Francisco built thousands of units, new parents would stay in the city rather than decamp for the East Bay. Newcomers would move in from around the region and across the world.

The rate at which a city adds new units would matter too, Garcia pointed out. Conjuring 10,000 housing units into existence overnight in Boston, which currently has about 300,000 of them, would cause prices to plummet. Building them over a decade might slow the arc of rent prices without ever causing them to fall. The kind of housing getting built matters as well. If New York were to approve the construction of thousands of single-room-occupancy units—dorms, pretty much—that would depress prices for single people and childless families without immediately affecting prices for parents.

Experts also noted that building more market-rate units would help wealthy families before it would help middle-class and poor families. “Saturating the market with more supply would naturally take the pressure off of landlords who keep raising rents,” says Stephanie Klasky-Gamer, the president of LA Family Housing, a homelessness-prevention nonprofit in Los Angeles. “But we’ll never target our most vulnerable renters if we only build 500,000 market-rate units.”

In one recent survey, just 30 to 40 percent of American adults said they believed that increasing the housing stock would slash prices and rents; that belief—often described as “supply skepticism”—in turn dampened their enthusiasm for new construction. Such mistrust is rooted in a confluence of events that countless city dwellers have seen with their own eyes: The laundromat closes. The soulless five-over-one condo building goes up. Black families leave and white couples flood in. And all the while, rents surge, making real-estate development look like an engine of gentrification rather than an engine of affordability.

But that displacement happens only because building dense housing is illegal in many rich neighborhoods, and because cities build so little of it overall. “If you want to build enough to really help low-income people, you’re talking about doing a lot of building,” Rick Jacobus, an expert on inclusionary housing and the principal of Street Level Urban Impact Advisors, told me.

As it turns out, two economists had, in a way, answered my question. Enrico Moretti of UC Berkeley and Chang-Tai Hsieh of the University of Chicago wanted to know how much GDP and productivity the United States gives up by throttling the housing supply in its biggest cities. In a blockbuster 2019 paper, they found that if New York, San Jose, and San Francisco—just those three cities—had the permitting standards of Atlanta or Chicago over the previous several decades, the U.S. economy would have been roughly $2 trillion bigger in 2009. American households would have earned an average of $3,685 more a year.

To come up with that estimate, the two economists built a complicated model that assumed Americans could move wherever their wages allowed and the housing supply would adjust as it would in a place with typical permitting standards. In such a world, they estimated in some associated work, 53 percent of Americans would not live where they are currently living. San Francisco would have an employed population 510 percent bigger than it does today—implying an overall population of something like 4 million, rather than 815,000, with 2 million housing units instead of 400,000. The Bay Area as a whole would be five times its current size, the economists estimated. The average city would lose 80 percent of its population. And New York would be a startling eight times bigger. Some back-of-the-envelope math (mine, not theirs) suggests that the United States would have—deep breath here—perhaps 75 million more housing units in its productive cities than it currently has.

I asked Moretti about the sheer size of the effects found in his and Hsieh’s work. “It’s not so implausible to me,” he said. “The differences in earnings and labor productivity between the areas that we’re looking at and the rest of the country are so big that if you expand those local economies, you get these big aggregate benefits.” In the real world, we miss those big aggregate benefits. We have less productivity and lower incomes, sure, but also less togetherness, less creativity, fewer babies, fewer vacations, fewer families living together, fewer people living how they want.

Moretti, a longtime San Francisco resident, is horrified by the city’s land-use policies and home prices. “This is something that is not just intellectual for me but very, very real, very present,” he said. He described walking by an empty lot in his neighborhood and being bothered over and over again that it never became an apartment building or even a single-family home. “It is inexcusable, not building on an empty lot. There is no way that having an empty lot in a place like San Francisco makes any sense.”


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It appears that real estate in the united states is becoming a deflationary asset when compared to population growth. This has been a consistent trend for many years. Which has allowed real estate to accumulate in terms of scarcity. On the opposite end of the spectrum, we have wages for low to middle class earners flatlining over the same time period. Making real estate an affordable luxury for an increasing number of residents. These two opposite trends have battled against each other for many years. With the government and banks reducing home loan qualification standards and offering state loans to low income demographics who could not normally afford them.

The eventual outcome remains to be seen. Many are predicting a crash in housing prices as consumers generally cannot afford them. If however a large enough proportion of real estate is held by banks. They might be able to stave off property tax payments for a far longer period than a private holder would be able to. Which could allow real estate prices to remain virtually stable even if the market was being underbought and rental demand significantly declined.

Due to the exorbitant cost, alternative options like living in a tiny house or inside a vehicle like camper or van are becoming more popular mainstream options. Perhaps that is the segment of the market to invest in as it could very well be the fastest growing.
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