Topic: The volatility volumes of Bitcoin is not the Will of man (Read 400 times)

Buy then hold and yes this is the right time because the Halving Moment is about to arrive.
But Whales always manipulate to benefit themselves.
Sometimes they make a FUD that the price of Bitcoin will go down and can buy it cheaply and then make good news to pump it slowly.

The Bull run market is about to arrive, and we must prepare to welcome it.
Buying gradually and selling it when the ATH is reached, it is a perfect strategy, but it needs a backup strategy to overcome things that are out of plan.a.

I like what you said here, dude. There is truth in what you said, and I support this thing you mentioned. If an investment is used in a trading business, the timing and strategy are included in what you said.

Especially now that the halving and bull run are coming, this is not the right time to sell Bitcoin; rather, this is the time for investors who believe in Bitcoin to save. And this is what the majority of investors do here in the cryptocurrency business.

Just because we had bad periods doesn't mean that the next year will be one, and yes I agree that it would have been smarter to invest then, but it's still smart to invest now because we are going to have a halving and most likely than not we are going to see another increase.

We are doing fine right now, it is not too little but we are going to see some serious growth, definitely over 100k at the easiest level, probably even more and that's just the bitcoin price, we are going to have even crazier stuff at altcoins because the yare not even all that high yet, we are going to see them double or even triple the ATH prices they had, because alt seasons are even wilder than the bitcoin increases. So we better ready for it next year.

Investment is about timing and strategy, bitcoin is not different from that. Business is about demand and supply that is what grows volatility and it is not controlled by just the will of one single man but by market forces and sentiment. For instance in real world scenario if a product was to be scarce because of a season, naturally the price would go higher because of demand which is part of market forces. So it is not just a man made arrangements and that is what happens with commodities market, currency and crypto which includes bitcoin like you have rightly analysed in your post. Like the season for bull is approaching because of halving and investors are buying and hodling, that is expected to push the price more higher next year.

They can still invest though, but the best time could be when we are in a bear market last year, prices goes down hard due to FTX collapse to $15,500. But then again, we don't know what the future holds for us, and so there are investors who doesn't want to invest because they are afraid of the market conditions.

Volatility is beyond our control, no one can just used his hands to make the price go in either direction. The market is open for everyone so there's no manipulation here. Although there could be big whales that can own billions worth of bitcoin, but they too, can't control the market. So volatile can be our friend in the long run, as long as we know how to used it properly to our side.

Volatility is integral part of cryptocurrency market and has both benefits and harmful effects as it dispense opportune time to buy your wishes coins and on the other hand when the market blow up then investor can also get the power to increase their money. Beginners are scared due to volatile market but when they get informed with the superiority of Fluctuations then they understand well that how to take profit and how to manage losses.

Now the market is not more volatile because it is going towards positive direction as news about halving and ETF approval are derived so there is a great possibility that coming year will be high yielding year for all crypto fans.

I believe after this market present condition and we begin to experience much better price movement in Bitcoin many will regret why they never made haste while the sun shines. Some are predicting the price to go below before they now invest that is based on their speculation and thinking of it, if it doesn't go that way, that has become a very big missed opportunity as their might not be any correction again.

Bitcoin volatility not being controlled by the will of man is accurately the best system it is operating as many would have twisted and as much try to make huge and consistent profits, without considering the pre-investors who are willing to invest their funds.But Bitcoin being associated with the supply and demand is a better option as new investors should get better entering price.

It wouldn't be an investment if it was controlled by men, would it? Even if it would be an investment, it won't be an advisable one to have.
Investments are controlled by the forces of demand and supply. It's the same thing with Bitcoin. It can be manipulated (even though it will only have a short-term effect) but it's still demand and supply.
When so many people are buying Bitcoin the price goes up, when so many people are selling, the price drops. All factors that affect the buying and the selling all leads to demand and supply.

OP sounded like a typical African pastor with "the will of man" thing. It's their stock in trade to throw in that jingle whenever they want to hoodwink their gullible congregation. But of course, whatever happens with Bitcoin and its pricing is subject to the dynamics of the market, not a mere wish, desire or will. It's a battle of demand and supply. If we've to evaluate today's market volatility of Bitcoin vis-a-vis what it used to be before 2018, everyone would agree that there's less volatility now. It's boring this day not to have that volatility with which Bitcoin was known for.

Now that improvement has been achieved, there is no need to wait for the end of the year for Bitcoin to reach the price of $40k++,
now Bitcoin is able to break through the price of $40k easily and the current highest price is $42k.

Of course, this is an extraordinary moment because Bitcoin can break through $40k after a long time.
We will see $50k as the next possible price target in late 2024.

But for now Bitcoin seems to need a little correction first before continuing its journey

Not all traders around the world will act as one all at the same time, but we could definitely see them act together daily. I mean when the price goes up like this, does it mean that we end up with people acting differently?

Majority of the market is buying right now and that's why it is going up, which is an awesome thing and should be considered a great profit to all of us. Doesn't mean that we are not going to end up with anything that will be at the same minute, but it's daily, and it's the same movement. And of course there are sellers, because in order for someone to buy, there needs to be a seller and in every scenario there is someone selling out there but as long as the movement is good, I can say it's the buyers that make it go up together.

though that is the problem , because this is impossible to happen mate , all the traders around the world will act as one? common man , you know that this is not happening even what happened right?

then if that is the case, why not also imagine that all Traders worldwide will invest together in bitcoin? buying all the existing bitcoin now? will the price increase or bull  right?

Yeah. Just like to said that the volatility of Bitcoin is of a double edge whereas it is flexible to depreciations and appreciation and on whatever side it is, it is profefered to offer favour to its investors considering who are accumulating, who are halving who is selling out including those at the range of a short-term and the long-terms Investors.
So deliberately, it is encouraging of an investor ignoring the self-centered about the Bitcoins volatility because an expectation is come dependent on the markets flexibilities without considering investors expectations.

  Because that depends on the situation that traders around the world who conduct trading activity here in the Bitcoin or crypto space want to happen. Try to imagine: if all traders around the world in bitcoin trading were to unite at this time to sell bitcoin, what do you think would happen?

  For sure, there will be a massive dump in the market, and most of the others who will not believe will feel worried and afraid of this situation. But of course this won't happen because time is different all over the world and not everyone is waking up and sleeping in different places.

The traders that you're talking about are probably the people that have done great in futures trading, that's the only way I think that someone is able to make a massive amount of money trading since you can make a lot of money in the futures as my friends have said but those comes with a really great risk so treading lightly in futures trading is an absolute must for many people.

I do disagree with the title though, that volatility comes from a high volume of traders doing trades every second and those movements are what's causing the volatility that many people are so afraid of so in a way, bitcoin's volatility is the will of the men because whatever we feel like it, bitcoin moves to that direction although we don't know it and have no control over it.

This is actually why this thread was created buttressing that the price of Bitcoin that is to attract or excites its investors is not determined by the investors will bit all termed to the wills of the day Bitcoins volatility. Just to and accumulate my dear because the current rates against your awaiting expectations might been worsen whereas the price of the coin is increasingly appreciated.
I guess you might end up regretting with some mathematical analogies that.... If I knew Bitcoin would be of higher price as today, I would had invested and accumulated when the price was high while I was waiting for a low price.
The volatility of Bitcoin is just certainly undermined and that is why even the experts are liable to fail on the Coins predictions.

Even though it is not really affected by investors, investors also really like good volatility in the market because those who have been investing for a long time are definitely also expecting good things in the market so that their enthusiasm to continue investing will increase even more. except for investors who have not invested in anything so they will not at all respond to any volatility that occurs in the market. Because investors who have invested will also gain profits when the volatility becomes better even though the level of profit is not what they want.

I think in terms of investing there is no need to set a stop-loss to avoid anything that could happen in the market or in other words to avoid losses. Because investors are not trading, setting a stop-loss is not that important for them because it is only useful for traders who are looking to make a profit by setting a stop-loss to avoid experiencing losses.

When the market is volatile, investors, in my opinion, benefit greatly. Bitcoin has higher volatility than forex and stocks; if you invest in Bitcoin, your profit potential is quite high, whereas investing in stocks takes a long time. However, there is a disadvantage when volatility is strong because the price might drastically move in the opposite way, perhaps causing you to lose if you set a stop-loss and got hit.

It seems to me that volatility has no effect on investors. Investors feel normal when the market is bullish and bad when the market is bearish. Only traders can profit because of volatility in the market. But often volatility is a sign of the beginning of a trend.

Bitcoin price volatility since Bitcoin was first created is purely due to market demand, not due to manipulation by the creator of Bitcoin or a company that makes Bitcoin, Bitcoin is not a centralized asset, unlike altcoins which can be pumped and dumped at will by the creator of the token.  Soon the halving will happen and if we look at the history of Bitcoin prices every 4 years, we will see that Bitcoin prices will definitely strengthen at that time and that is something that cannot be avoided.  Ordinary people definitely think that the price of bitcoin is manipulated by a company, the price of bitcoin is purely market sentiment, traders must also understand that.

Experienced investors will never ignore anything in the market and prices, especially Bitcoin price volatility. So they will always prioritize things like that even though it seems as if they don't think about it because they are already very used to the market and also in terms of investment. So they no longer see this as a problem because they have seen how price volatility in Bitcoin can be created very well at certain moments.

Your advice is quite logical and makes sense, but it only needs to be understood by those who are still beginners and have little experience in the field of crypto and Bitcoin investment. Because experienced investors will definitely know this very completely and thoroughly when they invest in Bitcoin. Investing in Bitcoin does not need to be seen as complicated or quite difficult because everyone can do it as long as they have enough capital and experience and knowledge about Bitcoin in more detail.

You can avoid volatility by hedging your asset such as DCA to have an average price that is not too close to the peak price. I’m not sure how volatility is part of life but I agree that it’s really part of crypto due to the liquidity issue. I believe the approval of spot ETF will make this volatility stop that will bring both good news and bad news with different perspectives.


Determining the level of risk is very hard to do on a volatile market since you really don’t have a choice. I think the best you can do is to properly manage your capital to diversify it on different assets that will makes you avoid a heavy volatile asset on your whole margin.

I do not talk in guaranteed stuff in bitcoin, I mean do I believe that it will be 50k? I do not, but can I say it will not? I won't be able to say that neither. I mean if bitcoin goes to 50k before the year ends, I would not be super shocked, it's quite possible for bitcoin to do something like that, it has done crazy stuff like that before and this would be another one. I understand the need and the request for it, but that's just not what I really expect to happen.

I hope that people would realize that it can be done easily, and we should be considering the situation to be a bit different. I think we need to handle it in a different way. Just assume that anything is possible when you are making calculations about it.

The market has held up very well despite the recent news and I think it has consolidated its position. Even CZ's resignation did not affect Bitcoin. This shows that Bitcoin is a structure independent of people and can survive negative situations. This is a good situation for Bitcoin. It also shows that those who own Bitcoin do not sell their Bitcoins and continue to carry them despite the negative news in the market.

I don't know if the 40k target will come by the end of the year, but what I'm wondering is when the fix will come. It's almost time for us to enter the bull season and I think the biggest thing we need to keep an eye on from now on is correction times.

Volatility is a part of life, and it is also a part of the cryptocurrency market. Bitcoin price volatility can be a double-edged sword, but it also offers profit opportunities for experienced investors.

If you are considering investing in Bitcoin, it is important to understand what volatility is and how it can affect your investment. You also need to determine the level of risk you are willing to accept.

Yes, some of us love volatility because this is how we make money, specially for day traders or traders in general. So as far as investing money, there are really whales that can simply invest $1 million and let it sleep and forget about it.

And then there are us, average joe, who are the majority here. We also invest but not that much, and we embrace volatility because we look at the long term effect of it. In the future or in the next bull run, if we have invested at least last year when we hit lowest low, we are already in the profits, more than 100%. And yet, we are not going to sell as we are going to wait for the bull run to maximized our profits, rinse and repeat.

For everybody or not for everyone has been discussed time without number. And there is no need to take a side on this argument again because you are also bringning this again base on your point of view on the matter. In other threads, different reasons have been given why bitcoin is for everyone and why bitcoin is not for everyone. And Op you have to know one thing that bitcoin is not a natural resource and it was invented by man and volatility was inserted my the creator therefore it is under the control of man. So the will of man is still there. The volatility is from man and not from nature. But the volatility is the interesting part of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies in the ecosystem.

I love the volatility. I want to see more volatility. The reason is volatility over a long period of time leads to a good return. In contrast to other assets, Bitcoin enables investors to deploy capital into which they can invest millions of dollars and which will yield a symmetrical return at any time. Additionally, it has increased by more than 10% annually. It was the case for more than ten years. Individuals are holding and adding to their bitcoin stacks. The ETFs are going to be approved, the halving will come next year and Bitcoin is going to get to the moon almost at least 80- 100k. 2021 is going to happen again.

Volatility refers to how much the price of Bitcoin fluctuates, it all depends on Investor interest, demand and supply which determine which direction the market will move. This factor can be considered a good thing because it gives investors the opportunity to make a profit by buying at low prices and selling at high prices. Volatility may seem intimidating to some investors new to Bitcoin, but not to most investors who have been in the crypto space for a long time. You can get big profits from Bitcoin's volatility if you have the right strategy, so it's never too late to invest in Bitcoin because its movements will always depend on how much the price fluctuates.

Each stage of development has different changes, and as I understand it, there will be a time when it will no longer follow the way people speculate about the fluctuation cycle. But preparing to launch with the upcoming price increase in 2025, I think people being too strict about the time to buy sometimes only increases skepticism because of the volatility that I think is acceptable at this stage.

This period is the accumulation from when Bitcoin fell below $20k to the present, or even exceeding the ATH.

Since I don't like shortterm exposure to large portfolios like bitcoin, speculating on a new ATH status also gives me the hope of hitting my target with my investment plan.

Bitcoin is an investment that rewards those with a long time preference. In addition, traders also like to harness the short term volatility to make money. I personally think the only ones who win when it comes to traders are the exchanges that take fees from them, but I’m sure there are stories of the few who traded their way to massive riches.

There's no way that we're gonna control bitcoin to how it gonna moves in the market and its price accordingly. The reason that there is supply and demand, and there are different factors that would affect the market like news and current events that would lead to how its price moves. Otherwise, if the market moves based on our own will and how we want it to be, then taking risks will not be worthy anymore and we will always expect to stay in profits no matter how negative factors hit the market badly.

But we all know bitcoin is highly volatile and highly unpredictable. Instead of seeing it a threat for us, let's consider it as another opportunity that will make us profitable in the market even in the times when we least expect it.

Maybe our conservative estimates can be put around $40k-$50k at the end of the year. So we will have to see if $50k is doable or not, still up on how bullish the market will be in the next month.

I do agree though about the CZ news, it's a bit scary, but it didn't put any significant effect on the market. Its a huge news as we all know that CZ and Binance is the top crypto exchange. But then again, maybe we really doesn't care anymore about this kind of news as everyone is very bullish at this point.

And with that, market is up to $37k'ish and could move to $38k in the next couple of days or end of November and then the last month will be exciting for us.

middle of next year, the $50K price of bitcoin is quite possible but as for the remaining month to wrap this year up, bitcoin cannot reach $50k. The bitcoin price is still battling to reach and cross the $38k price again. Not to talk of reaching $50k before the end of the year. Where I am speculating for $50k to come to fulfillment is the middle of next year towards the halving season.

I thought CZ news would have a side effect on Bitcoin price but it hasn't yet, rather the market keeps standing strong unshaken. Where I am looking out for the bitcoin price to fall in price, is when CZ tries to pay $4.3 billion charged fees against him through bitcoin. He may likely sell some of the Bitcoin he has on the Binance exchange. That will for sure decline the price of bitcoin. I am patiently waiting for that to happen so that I can accumulate more Bitcoin at a discount price.

I'm sorry man but I really don't get your point here. Yes, bitcoin is a investment, although in the beginning, it was used to be a payment scheme and that's how Satoshi designed it. But it evolved to began as assets and now we are making profits out of it by buying low and selling high (during a bull run).


Doesn't matter what will be the season or cycle, but what favors us, is that during a bear market, we accumulate and during a bull run, we sell. So it's a 4 year cycle and it's going to be very volatile. But if you are that kind of investors who wants to hold, then definitely that is the best strategy. Just remember though, invest what you can afford to lose.

Anyone is never considered too late when it comes to investing, but perhaps they don't come at the right time, especially when prices are still low. Until now, the price of bitcoin can still be said to be low compared to the previous ATH. So I think investors should be able to consider this as a good opportunity to earn a lot of bitcoin before the big bullrun starts.

The halving will happen in a few months, and a spot bitcoin ETF is also awaiting approval. Many other ETF products have also been proposed and it seems that the fundamentals are very strong to create a larger market capitalization in 2025 and beyond. Some people think we will get ATH before the halving, but for me it's just a bonus.

There is still quite a long way to go and there are still many opportunities to be able to set new records.
This cycle will be proof that Bitcoin will get stronger and can reach a new ATH afterward, we are all certainly very optimistic about Bitcoin.

$50k is a good target before Bitcoin reaches the new ATH, but my hope by the end of the year to be able to touch that $40k price is good enough and stay above that.

Regarding the CZ news, this can certainly affect the price, a few hours ago Bitcoin had a dump because of the news,
but the effect was indeed slight and not too long.
This is because people still believe in CZ, and I am also a fan of CZ.

Unlike if FTX and SBF are experiencing problems, it is a very strong decline and even a dark event in the crypto world.

Investing is not available to everyone. Unless you have enough cash to pay your monthly expenses and obligations, you will not be able to invest. The more money you have, the greater the return on investment. Therefore, investing $10 will not make you rich, but continue to buy more Bitcoin.
We still have 4 or 5 of these cycles, so it will be similar to either the 2013 or 2017 cycle. In any case, the possibility of 50 thousand before the middle of the year is possible. CZ News will not effect prices.

I couldn't agree more, volatility is opportunity. It's the market dynamics and sentiments, the mechanism of supply and demand that makes it fluctuate.

During the times when I thought, "If only I had known about Bitcoin earlier, I might be a millionaire by now," it turns out we can't really predict its trajectory. However, when I started earning, I realized it was not too late after all. Maybe entering the market early allows for significant gains compared to my overall earnings.

Since I believed in the potential of Bitcoin, many good things happened in my life, especially in the financial aspect. I was able to help people around me, and numerous other opportunities opened up and were beneficial. You just really need to believe, be willing to learn, and take risks. I also believe that it has the potential to continue growing in the future.

The ending part did delivered the message plainly.
The decentralization of bitcoin is what still opens a window of opportunity for us to take part in the technology today and I'll say same for those persons that will be adopting bitcoin tomorrow too. If a circle of men called an authority were to dictate the price of bitcoin a whole lot of people wouldn't have be able to get onboard as they would have as many times as they want manipulated the price to their gain frustrating new interested coiners.

With the divisibility of bitcoin anyone can accumulate at their own speed based on their income flow without panic. On the brighter side the next halving circle for anyone that is buying now can bring them some profits which makes them not late compared to those that will be buying after the halving, by then the price would have been twice what it is now.

Humans desire to get involved in Bitcoin because of the many conveniences Bitcoin offers including the opportunity to earn huge profits. Satoshi never emphasized to anyone that Bitcoin was created for everyone, nor did he ever invite individuals in the wider community via social media to get involved in Bitcoin. He only introduced Bitcoin through a Whitepaper, as if he was saying, here's the latest breakthrough I discovered, read it and decide for yourself.

As is often the case in general, every new product has its pros and cons, but after Bitcoin has been around for more than a decade, the Bitcoin community is getting wider and will continue to grow. This is why Satoshi created Bitcoin as a decentralized asset, without any party being able to control the price, Bitcoin volatility volume can change at any time.

A 4-year cycle is a sign that Bitcoin will peak again.
But before that happens, it seems that Bitcoin is still being tested with some bad news coming up,
such as CZ stepping down due to some issues that required the Binance CEO to step down.

Optimistically, we Bitcoin can reach the price of $ 50k in the middle of next year, it is a fairly close target.
But the end of 2023 we will see if Bitcoin is able to touch the price of $40k++ or not.

The volume of Bitcoin will increase with a lot of buying and selling activities carried out by traders and all of them have a contribution.
Who is able to survive, they will certainly contribute to the increase in the volume of Bitcoin.

We will see how Bitcoin develops for 2024-2025, and those years are predicted to be good years for Bitcoin.
I myself can only hold Bitcoin and a few altcoins that I believe can provide profits later.

It is too early to say that the opportunity has been lost, because until the middle of next year the price may hover at the levels of $50,000, which is not much different from the current levels, but the price will begin to move from the month of June, and then we can say that prices have begun to move and that time will begin to run out, going through what will happen in 2025, but in the long term, it is assumed that more people understand that the lower the ratio of transaction fees to blocks reward, the more the 4-year cycles disappear and the more stable the price is, which means that fluctuations will not be forever.

At the long run I later got your point in the post. Yes if man would decide what happens to the price of bitcoin directly then hodlers would always have the price high so that they will always be in profit but it is not happening that way.

First, the rule of demand and supply applies to bitcoin and that is why there is buy and sell, bull and bear. Also, the halving makes bitcoin very much attractive and creates more traffic to the bitcoin Blockchain and that creates the volume and volatility. One single man does not determine what happens in the price of bitcoin except in exceptional cases of manipulation and it never last forever.

I will remain to say that Bitcoin investment is not for everybody but it proffers flexibilities exciting opportunities in both of its investors who had already invested in the Bitcoin and the pre-investors who are yet to invest.

I made this thread for a unification because if Bitcoin systematic acceleration was programmed according to the will of man, the already investors in the industry would definitely hover the volatility of the coin to keep on Bull-Running being sentimental to the markets volume that is to give affordable impressive values to its willing investors (pre-investors). Whereas... They want to keep making it count profits with no lost as a medium of deflation.

I really appreciates it that the will of man is not the will of the volume of Bitcoin volatility.
The bull-run that  was so much impressive to the inventors are on a seize and now willing investors (pre-investors) has its time to take advantage and be pertakers in the Bitcoin market now.
I hope those interested in the Bitcoin investment would realize that the season for them is now and doesn't long for a lower volume else they would be left behind whereas time comes where the volume of the market also have to consider the other phase of favouring the already investors in the Bitcoin industrial markets.